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Speaker 4 3:22
No, it's, if you could go ahead and grab your seats. the governor It Members, if you could
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Representative Les D. Eaves Chair Unverified 3:30
go ahead and grab your seats, we're gonna go and get the meeting started. Members are calling Arkansas Legislative council to order. Remember the first thing we want to start with is recognize Representative Les Warren for our prayer, if you would please.
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Representative Les Warren Unverified 3:54
Please pray with me. Germany, Father, we come to you this morning and we just uh come with grateful hearts. We, we thank you for the state that we get to live in. Father, we Pray that you would guide us in everything that we do, that what we do would be honoring to you. And Father, that it would increase what we get to do here in this state. Father, we, we thank you that you allow us to live in a state that has so much to offer. Father, we, we pray for, uh, those in charge. We pray for our country. And Father, we just, uh, Lift up those with needs today, uh, whether it's illness or Situations, Father, we just prayed that you would uh be with them in their time of need. Father, we pray that you be with us now in Jesus' name we pray.
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Representative Les D. Eaves Chair Unverified 4:54
Amen. All members in your, in your packet is the minutes from the last meeting. I'll need a motion to adopt the minutes from uh previous meeting, got a motion 2. All those in favor say aye, opposed, I just have it. Our members at this time, I'd like to recognize uh Representative Lane Jean and Senator, uh, Dismay for a Come on down, Kevin. All right, Senator Dismay, Representative Juni, you both recognized. Uh, thank you, Mr. Chairman. Um, I, I think.
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Senator Jonathan Dismang Unverified 6:24
You know, everyone's aware of what's happening here and to be honest, lost, we have an incredible mind that's leaving legislative research. Uh, you know, I mean, I've been able to serve as chairman and that we mentioned in the citation here in a minute. I, I think really since I started this budget chair, um, I was able to serve with, uh, Kevin and, and his leadership in the division and then really across the state in almost everything we did, um. You know, I'll save all the Chuck Norris jokes and all that. I've already done that once, but we all know he's kind of our version of Chuck Norris here in in the bureau and in fact I mean he I guess if you worked with 3 different administrations now, yeah, 3 different administrations, and so one of my favorite stories is. Uh, when Governor Sanders came in and her staff come in, we would always talk about Kevin. And they'd never met Kevin and so they finally just thought that Kevin was my imaginary friend that I always refer to that. Uh, and, and so, but again we just, I think everybody is just so thankful to be able to work with you and, and really, uh, be a part and you be a part of this process and with that I'm gonna read the Senate citation. Whereas Mister Kevin Anderson is retiring on June 30th, 2025 after dedicating more than 30 years of service to state government and leaving a solid example of commitment and legacy of stalwart leadership for all, and Kevin joined the Bureau of Legislative Research in 1992 as a legislative analyst, he was promoted to administrator of the budget and fiscal Review section in 2006 and promoted to assistant director of the Legislative Physical Service Division on 2013. Uh, I've worked closely with Mr. Anderson as co-chair of the Joint Budget Committee since 2021 and Kevin's expertise and professionalism have been invaluable to me and the entire General Assembly and whereas Mr. Anderson is known as a trusted colleague and admired leader among bureau staff and never ask his employees to do more than he was willing to do himself, his vast knowledge of state budgets has been relied upon by legislators, the governor's office, the Department of Finance Administration and other state agencies for decades and whereas the members of the. Arkansas Senate wish to join me in commending Mr. Kevin Anderson for his exemplary leadership and outstanding service in wishing him well in his retirement and all his, his future endeavors and now therefore pursuant to the motion of Senator Jonathan Dima, Arkansas Senate directs this citation to be presented on this 20th day of June 2025. Thank you.
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Representative Lane Jean Unverified 9:08
We have a house citation that says the same thing the Senate did. I Uh, I've been, I've been budget chair 11 years, the whole 11 years I've been with Kevin. And uh I want all of us are gonna miss him. Uh, he's a tremendous asset. And when you came to him to a problem or something that you're trying to work on it stayed confidential. Neither one of the chairmen ever knew anything that y'all were doing and that's what's great about our organization and Kevin is the professionalism. And the professionalism is what makes us shine. Now, we go out in our districts and club up and make us look. Dumb at time but it's not our staff. Our staff is excellent here and Kevin has been excellent and one thing I thought I found out the last week of session, Kevin was retiring, so we all went home and I came back about, oh, I don't know, 2 weeks later to do some stuff and I went into his office. And this was early May and he done cleaned everything out so. He's ready to go. And he, he's going back home to Hot Springs to be with his dad, uh, his hometown, and I'm proud of him and Kevin, you've been a great friend and great for the state of Arkansas. I Thank you something.
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Speaker 39 10:45
Uh, y'all are way too kind, way better than I deserve. Thank you all so much. It's, it's been a great 33 years. I'm very blessed. I work with incredible people. Uh, and work for incredible people. I, I couldn't ask for any more. Thank you guys so much. I appreciate it.
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Representative Les D. Eaves Chair Unverified 11:23
All right, members, we're gonna move right along to the revenue port, uh, Doctor
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Chair Unverified 11:39
Carlos Silva. You recognize, sir. Thank you Mr. Chairman. Carlos Silva, bus of Research, and today I'm here presented the May 2025 monthly revenue report, um, as of, uh, month of May we have $7.4 billion in gross general revenues. There is $372.7 million below um last year today around 4.8% below last year today. As we move into our net net available for distribution, we'll have $5.9 billion which is around $244 million below last year today or 4% below the last year today when you compare those years, um. As we move here to page number 2. We have the updated forecast from the agency from for the month of May and this month is a little bit above the forecast, the $17.1 million as we reach uh to the the end of the month here of June and we're looking into uh what the current collections are, are, are right now, uh, it's still, uh, things are moving in the right direction a little below than last year, the same day, but we still have a lot of um important days coming in for collections in the end of the month. and we are really close to you know RSA in the next few days if you haven't already reached based on the preliminary numbers we had in the last few days, uh, as we move from page number 3 to page number 5 will have more details about the general revenue collections and page 5 and beyond, we'll have a special revenue collections, um, no major changes there and If there's any, any further questions.
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Representative Stephen Meeks Unverified 13:27
All members, any questions? Representative Meeks, you recognized. They just wait over here to the left just based upon what I'm seeing there with that chart with the 17 million. Um, do we have any, again, I know we've got a few weeks left in the fiscal year, uh, but what's the final surplus? Are we gonna have a surplus at the end of the year?
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Chair Unverified 13:47
Any idea what that's looking like? Yes, so, so as of, and this is the last estimates that I have here, of course, has a little lag on what the numbers are gonna come through, so we would have around um. 300, 499 in gross collections in order to reach the the expectation that for girls collections we need around 803, so I have $300 million we need in gross as we look into that we had around 379, um. A million dollars we need 403, so for, for that we need around um $24 million there that we need in the next week or so, but there's a lot of uh large days for collection in the 20 is a large day, uh, so is the 24th with on sales and use tax you're gonna receive a lot of that, um, in, in the next coming in the
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Representative Stephen Meeks Unverified 14:37
next week, I guess so, OK, so based on it looks like we're just about going to hit our targets and there won't be a whole lot of surplus then at
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Chair Unverified 14:44
the end of the year. It, we would, we would have some surplus, we would have some surplus, but the level of the surplus will depend on the next couple of days here what we see on on collection so if things keep moving the same direction as they have moved up to now, we would be pretty close to the uh revenue forecast from the agency made. All right. Thank you.
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Representative Les D. Eaves Chair Unverified 15:03
Thank you, Representative Representative Rye, you recognized.
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Representative Johnny Rye Unverified 15:05
Yes, sir. Thank you, Mr. Chair, right here, sir. question for you. The uh the income tax has been extended from April 15th to September 15th. Can you give us just a little bit of an impact that that's gonna have as far as the budget, so as of right now, uh, the, the month of June we see the the. Uh,
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Chair Unverified 15:26
preliminary numbers here up to to a couple days ago, uh, the collections have been going faster than they expected, so the original update that the agents have given last month they expected to be a little bit lower, but the payments are being a little bit faster so we might not see as much of a change in um the next fiscal year, the first month in July.
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Representative Les D. Eaves Chair Unverified 15:52
Members, any other questions? Secretary Hudson has some. Wise words to add.
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Representative John P. Carr Unverified 16:05
It's a high bar. Uh, Jim Hudson, secretary of the DFA just real quickly clarify, it was extended to July 31st, not September 15th. And so we're we're not really clear at this point how much is going to shift from June 30 for like estimated tax payments, you know, primarily into July into the next fiscal year we're, we're looking at that our uh revised forecast took that into account just to also clarify as well, the revised forecast has a projected surplus of 215 million. We overachieved, um, you know. On that forecast, so we're already about 17 I think ahead of that. So likely if we finish at least and on forecast in June, you know, we're gonna have a surplus just a little bit ahead of uh 2:15 so somewhere kind of in that range so we will have a surplus. so Thank you, members, any other questions? All right. Seeing
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Representative Stephen Meeks Unverified 16:58
Nun, thank you for the presentation. Members, that takes us on down to the
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Representative Les D. Eaves Chair Unverified 17:06
executive subcommittee report. I recognized as co-chair Senator
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Senator Ben Gilmore Unverified 17:11
Gilmore. Thank you, Representative Eaves. Members, the executive subcommittee met on June 9th and approved the premiums and deductibles for the state captive insurance program as presented by Stevens Insurance and Per Night Subcommittee also authorized BLR to move forward with a contract with claims administration agreement for the captive. For both the contract. And the premiums, the deductibles, the, the subcommittee authorized ALC co-chairs to finalize the authorization by emergency action. Those actions are attached to your report. At its June 9th meeting, the executive subcommittee also adopted a motion to cancel the regular ALC meeting for July of this year and authorize all ALC subcommittees to meet in July, uh, only to take up items that have imminent need and cannot wait until the regularly scheduled August ALC meetings. Subcommittees that need to meet in July are permitted to meet outside the regular ALC meeting week and all actions that normally. would have been reported at the July 2025 ALC meeting will be final and reported to ALC and it's August 15th meeting. Subcommittee met again yesterday, June 19th, and reviewed and approved emergency rules for DHS regarding the psychiatric residential treatment facility services for children under age 21. Uh, Mr. Chair, I move adoption of the report. I would like to add a few comments after that, please. Members, any questions? Actually none, Senator Gilmore, go ahead. All right. Thank you, members. I, I do want to point out a couple of things. First of all, about the, um, authorizing the committee, the committees to meet in July. That's something that we historically do, you may remember, uh, in addition to that though, I want to go back and talk about the captive in its formation. It's been a lot of work going into that. It's been vetted heavily over the course of several years. Uh, I just want to thank the predecessors of myself were eaves for their hard work, uh, in initiating that, and I wanna say thank you to all of those who have had, uh, a role. in the formation of the captive. I think what we are doing here is something that is, um, you know, quite phenomenal. And in fact, I think it's, we're gonna look back and say, I think we did something really good here. And so I appreciate, uh, the latitude and letting the executive subcommittee do its work, and I appreciate you all supporting that and I'm excited to see what the future holds with that and so thank you
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Representative Les D. Eaves Chair Unverified 19:22
so much and I'm done. Thank you, Senator, and we have a motion to adopt the report in a second. The second all those in favor say aye. Opposed motion is adopted, uh, members, I need to recognize, uh, Senator McKee. For emotion.
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Senator Matt McKee Unverified 19:35
You recognize, sir. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The charitable penal and Corrections Institution subcommittee will be meeting on July 10th. To discuss the prisoner escape from Calico Rock and review the policies and protocols the Department of Corrections has in place regarding security. In the event the subcommittee needs to further investigate the matter. I make a motion to authorize the charitable penal and Corrections Institution subcommittee to undertake an investigation into this matter. And to report its findings to the Legislative council. Thank you, Senator. Members, any questions on this? So
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Representative Stephen Meeks Unverified 20:04
no questions, we have a motion. We have a second, all
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Representative Les D. Eaves Chair Unverified 20:11
those in favor signified by saying I opposed, guys having motion carries. Thank you, Senator. Alright, members, we're gonna move down to the reports of the standing Committee and without objection, we're going to move one up ahead. We're going to have the peer committee, uh, go first, and that is, uh, Representative Board Law you
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Representative Jeff Wardlaw Unverified 20:31
recognized. I'm sorry. You good? The peer review subcommittee met Tuesday, June 17th, the subcommittee received reports, received requests, and reproved the following various temporary appropriations, Americans can rescue. Plan act appropriation infrastructure investment and Jobs Act appropriation, restricted reserve fund transfers and requests to maintain the reduction on revenues from state central services. I move adoption of the report. Right. Thank you, Senator.
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Representative Les D. Eaves Chair Unverified 20:56
We have a couple of questions. Senator Tucker, recognized? Yeah Thank you, Mr. I,
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Senator Clarke Tucker Unverified 21:10
I have a few questions. I think most likely for ADE at the appropriate time, I'd like to just ask them a few
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Representative Les D. Eaves Chair Unverified 21:17
questions. Alright. Let's go ahead and do that now. We get someone from AD. Morning, if you would go ahead and just introduce yourself for the record, and then we
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Speaker 86 22:05
can get on with the questions. Sure. Good morning, Jacob
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Senator Clarke Tucker Unverified 22:10
Aliva, Secretary of Education. Courtney, Department of Education. Thank y'all. I'm gonna be up to your left over here, yeah, all right, uh, I just have a few questions about, I'm, I'm trying to put a finger on how much money cumulatively we've spent on EFA since the beginning. So in year one, How much did we put into, how much do we put into the budget for EFAs and how much was one-time money. Yeah, Greg may be um. Sorry to put you on the spot, Greg, but, and I'm just looking for something that's close, if it's off by, you know, a million, I'm not I, I just kind of want
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Speaker 94 22:47
the ballpark. Greg Rogers, Department of Education. Hang on just a second.
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Speaker 95 23:33
Well It was 31, it was around $32
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Senator Clarke Tucker Unverified 23:40
million. OK, for year one, put into the budget. OK. And then what about year 2? Not 97 million and it so was that um 65 on top of the 32, so 65 million new into the budget? OK so in
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Speaker 104 23:55
RSA right now there's $177 million for it. OK, so the 90 that we
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Senator Clarke Tucker Unverified 23:59
put in or or I guess that we put 80 into the budget
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Speaker 105 24:04
this year on top of that in this
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Senator Clarke Tucker Unverified 24:08
year in RSA there's 177 million. OK, and then we in the in the session this year, the legislature put $90 million in one-time money on top of the 177 in the budget. Yes. OK. Um And then this is 90 million on top of the one-time money that we did during this. This is the 90 from the OK. OK, that's, that's what I was trying to wrap my, uh, hands around and then Do we anticipate that this will cover all of the EFA applications for the 25, 26
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Speaker 104 24:34
school year? Based off what we have right now, we're still going through all that because what the applications that we received were still going through those as well as getting admitted into school, so we're, we're following the process that we have. So right now we think it is, but we're still continuing to evaluate that. OK, so we just don't know
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Senator Clarke Tucker Unverified 24:53
yet. And the deadline, the application deadline is Sunday. Or I thought I read that in the newspaper, maybe I didn't. There is a priority window set,
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Speaker 109 25:06
but that doesn't mean we stop accepting applications. That's just the priority window that stops and then we will continue to accept
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Senator Clarke Tucker Unverified 25:12
applications after that. OK. And is there any deadline or could that happen during the school year
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Speaker 109 25:18
if people's circumstances change or? Yeah, uh, around mid August, we have not made this, put that out there to anybody, but around mid-August, we anticipate setting a stop for this coming school year, um, again, we will still continue to accept applications for the next school year, but, um, once school has already started, then we will
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Senator Clarke Tucker Unverified 25:38
close it off for this year. And then my last question, yeah, I also think I read this in the newspaper. Maybe I misread that too. Apologies, Mr. Wickline, but about 39,000 applications have been. approved at this point. Um, how, how many of those are private school as opposed to home school. All
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Speaker 109 26:01
right. Private schools around 28,000 homes schools around 16,000. So have we had 44,000 approved?
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Representative Andrew Collins Unverified 26:11
No, that's uh applications received. All right, thank y'all. All right. Thank you, Senator Representative Collins recognize. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I would just, um, at the appropriate time move that we take out this 90 million, uh, for a separate vote and
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Representative Les D. Eaves Chair Unverified 26:34
approve the rest. All right, that'd be a substitute motion you want to review the whole report pulling out this one for a separate vote. Our members, that is the motion we have substitute motion currently, um, any questions? You have a 2, 2nd. Uh, uh. I, I just told you it's to uh review the entire peer report pulling out the, um, Uh, the $90 million for the from a restrictive reserve transfer for a separate boat. Did I get that right Representative Collins? Everybody good? All right, we have a motion in a second.
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Representative James Eaton Unverified 27:13
On the substitute motion, all those in favor signify by saying. Hang on,
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Senator Jim Dotson Unverified 27:20
I see it. Thank you, Senator Dotson. Thank you, Mr. Chair, and sorry, I wasn't able to ask this question of the department before motions were made, didn't, wasn't aware there was going to be a motion on it, but, um, I'm just curious how many of those applicants, if this 90 million isn't approved, would Uh, roughly 12,800. So 12,800 students would be ineligible or unable to be funded. For this coming school year in the school of their choice, if this is not approved, uh, out of the 480,000. K-12 students in the state. Thank you. Thank you, Senator. Members, any other questions before we continue? All right,
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Representative Les D. Eaves Chair Unverified 28:24
seeing, we have a substitute motion and we have a second. All those in favor signify by saying aye. Opposed. I haven't motion fails, Representative Wardlaw, did you want to make a motion? I think my motion is still on the floor. Yes, sir. Thank you. All right. We have a motion to review, to prove the, the report from Representative Wardlaw. Second, 2nd, we have a 2nd, all those in favor say aye. I was opposed. The eyes have it. Our members that takes us down to administrative rules. Representative Shepherd. The administrative rules
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Representative Matthew J. Shepherd Unverified 29:10
subcommittee met on June 19th. The subcommittee received agency updates on outstanding rulemaking from the 2023 regular session and all rules were reviewed and approved as noted in the report. I move adoption of the report. Thank you Presentative Shepard members, any questions?
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Representative Les D. Eaves Chair Unverified 29:26
Right, we have a motion in a second. Second, all those in favor say aye. All those opposed? The motion is adopted. Uh, takes us down to item 3. Senator, just a second. Announcement, right. Representative or Senator Irvin, you recognize.
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Chair Unverified 29:45
Thank you, Mr. Chair. The game and fish, um, oversight
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Senator Missy Irvin Unverified 29:50
committee will meet in July. We don't have a date yet, but if you're on the game and fish
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Representative Les D. Eaves Chair Unverified 30:01
oversight committee, we will be meeting in July. Thank
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Senator Jim Dotson Unverified 30:08
you. Senator Dodson, you're recognized for the claims review report. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The claims review litigation reports oversight subcommittee met on Monday, June 16, 2025. The subcommittee adopted its subcommittee rules. The subcommittee reviewed 11 litigation reports and 2 litigation settlements regarding one litigation settlement from the Department of Finance Administration. The subcommittee voted to not review and to recommend that the department settle the related litigation for $1 or less. I move adoption of the report.
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Representative Les D. Eaves Chair Unverified 30:38
Remember, you've heard the the report. Are there any questions? All right, seeing now we have a motion in the 2nd, 2nd, all those in favor say aye, opposed. And the eyes have it. Adopted, takes us down to number 7, hospital, Medicaid, and Developmental disability study. I believe that's Representative Whittaker, you recognize.
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Representative David Whitaker Unverified 30:56
Thank you, Mr. Chair. The hospital, Medicaid and Developmental Disability Study subcommittee met on Monday to adopt the timelines for the studies mandated by Act 145 of 2025 and Act 1004 of 2025. Additionally, the subcommittee committee heard updates from DHS concerning the division of shared services and reimbursement rates under the Living Choices Assisted Living waiver. I move adoption of the report. Remembers, any questions? All right, so we have a motion in the
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Representative Les D. Eaves Chair Unverified 31:23
2nd. All those in favor say aye opposed. The eyes have it. All right, that takes us down to the occupational licensing review. Representative makes you recognize. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The occupational
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Representative Stephen Meeks Unverified 31:39
licensing Review subcommittee met yesterday to approve the subcommittee rules, discuss the entities that we will be reviewing in this session and to approve our tentative timeline. And with that, I move adoption of the report. All right. Thank you. Any questions, members saying none.
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Representative Les D. Eaves Chair Unverified 31:57
We have a motion in the 2nd. All those in favor say aye, opposed? I have it, carry. Takes us down to number 12
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Representative Frances Cavenaugh Unverified 32:12
review, Representative Kavanaugh. Thank you, Mr. Chair. The review subcommittee met on Tuesday, June 17th, and reviewed the proposed purchase of the property for DTSS division of Information Systems method of finance, discretionary grants, and service contracts. All items were reviewed with the following exceptions in out of state contracts, contract number 7, page 15, Department of Correction with well Path and contract number 10 departum page 16, Department of Education. with mindset labs were both held until the next regular meeting of the ALC review in August. In in-state contracts, contract 80, 81, and 82 pages 72 and 73 for DHS Division of Medical Services with Arkansas Foundation for Medical Care were all held awaiting information from DHS and DHS provided the following information yesterday afternoon. I move adoption of
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Chair Unverified 33:14
the report. Thank you, Representative Representative Painter, you recognize? Thank you. And I, I want to thank the agencies that provided the
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Representative Stetson Painter Unverified 33:21
information, uh, for me on those contracts. I just hope next time that it's provided an appropriate time and not, uh, late in the evening to digest 3 days' worth of work and a few hours. So hopefully next time we move forward, and if we're going to do that, it's done in appropriate time for members, uh, have their appropriate time to address that information. Thank you. Thank
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Representative Les D. Eaves Chair Unverified 33:44
you, Representative Senator Love you recognize. Thank you,
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Senator Fredrick J. Love Unverified 33:46
Mr. Chair. I, I want to ask a question of, of Senator uh Representative Kavanaugh through the chair. All right, go ahead. Representative Kavanaugh, with any of the holding of those contracts were there anything that's gonna Uh, kind of prevent agencies from doing any of the work that they have.
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Speaker 148 34:07
No. Not that I'm aware of. OK. All right.
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Senator Breanne Davis Unverified 34:13
Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you, Senator, Senator Davis. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I would like to make a substitute motion to adopt the report, including the following items that were held in state contracts, 80, 81 and 1982 and in-state contract 10, um, which is ADD with yeah, ADE with Mindset Labs. Alright, so that's the
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Representative Les D. Eaves Chair Unverified 34:31
well and the mindset labs both. No. What's the first one? AFMC OK. All right. Alright, members, we do have a substitute motion, uh, Representative Beatty, you recognized? Could, could you restate that substitute motion
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Representative Howard M. Beaty, Jr. Unverified 35:01
for us, please. Yeah, Senator Davis, if you light up, I'll let you restate your motion.
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Senator Breanne Davis Unverified 35:09
Sure, thank you. Um, I'd like to make a substitute motion to adopt the report, including the following items that were held in state contracts, 80, 81 and 1982. An in-state contract 10, which is ADE with Mindset Labs. Thank you, Senator Representative Beatty.
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Representative Howard M. Beaty, Jr. Unverified 35:29
So are you requesting that we hold those contracts or we accept that report with those contracts approved. Yes,
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Senator Breanne Davis Unverified 35:36
that we accept the report with those contracts approved or
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Representative Les D. Eaves Chair Unverified 35:40
reviewed, yes. Senator, thank you for that clarification. So members, we have a substitute motion of 2nd. The second, any discussion. All right, seeing none, all those in favor signified with saying aye, opposed. Really I always have it. I remembers that takes us down to the number 13 state insurance
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Representative Rick Beck Unverified 36:18
programs we have Representative Beck, I believe. You recognized. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Just the state the state insurance program oversight committee met Wednesday, June 18th. The subcommittee reviewed. And approved the EBRX for UAMS contract amendment subcommittee heard presentations on the state captive insurance program from representatives of Stephen Inks Willis Tower, Watson, and Pierre Knight, subcommittee reviewed and approved the state captive insurance program. Resolution of establishment, the subcommittee approved the deductible rates and budget for the fiscal year 2026 for the state captive Insurance Program. I moved for adoption of this report. All right, members, any questions? All right,
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Representative Les D. Eaves Chair Unverified 37:02
so you know, we have a motion in 2nd, 2nd. All those in favor signify saying aye, opposed, yeah, I have it. Number 14, universal uniformed personnel classification and compensation plan, Representative Warren, you
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Representative Les Warren Unverified 37:18
recognize. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Personnel subcommittee met on June 18th. The subcommittee reviewed and or approved items listed in the report. Subcommittee heard a presentation from the Office of Personnel Management and EBD and took questions on item 18 regarding the referred contract as attached between the employee benefits division and APTAS Financial. The contract will be, will provide services to state employees to help navigate the public service loan forgive. This program The committee has recommended review of the contract to ALC. I will take any questions and move adoption of the report at the proper time. Thank you, Rosin. We have a couple of questions. Looks like
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Representative Les D. Eaves Chair Unverified 37:58
Representative Kavanaugh, you recognize. I actually have a substitute motion. OK, let's hear the substitute
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Representative Frances Cavenaugh Unverified 38:14
motion. I would like to make a substitute motion to adopt the report with the exception of item number 18, the recommendation related to the DTSS or APTI contract to be pulled for separate consideration, and I would like to request roll call and separation of the chambers. Alright, that is a proper
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Representative Les D. Eaves Chair Unverified 38:38
motion. We have a question, Representative Pilkington. Well just more discussion on the
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Speaker 175 38:48
motion, um, but I don't know if this is the proper time or not. Go ahead. OK. Um And I know that we've talked about this contract for a while. It's been
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Representative Aaron Pilkington Unverified 39:00
in the news. It was approved by the committee, uh, and, and I I just think that this is a program that we offer to many people, state employees, including those in BLR who have student debt, and, uh, it's, it's one of the things because of the courts, because of the change in the administration, it's been an extremely strenuous process. I myself have personally paid consultants to help me with my student loans to navigate the PSLF process. Uh, I've literally been in put in forbearance twice after trying to pay my loans back, uh, and so it's been a hard process. And so I think as one of the only members in this chamber who actually has student loans, who is on PSLF. I know how, how terrible this process is and why a consultant is needed. And so that's why I think we should adopt this because I do think it's, it's a perk of working for state government, which is a low paying profession, and it's a way to keep and make and retain members and so, uh, just being someone I wanted to share that experience with ALC about how terrible it is to go through this process and why I think allowing people to take advantage of this very popular program that was started during the Bush administration is a good use of our resources. So with that, I just wanted to add that to the discussion. I think this, we should not vote for the substitute motion and that we should go ahead and approve this report as it was approved by its committee. Thank you. Senator Love. Thank you Mr. Chair. I, I will
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Senator Fredrick J. Love Unverified 40:50
tell you that something's going on because, uh, me and Representative Pilkington are on the
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Speaker 181 40:56
same page. Um, I'm just gonna start
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Senator Fredrick J. Love Unverified 41:00
hairy. Um, as a, as a beneficiary of PSLF, uh, I will tell you all. Uh, I did get my student loans forgiven. And this was a very, very strenuous process. Of going through month by month trying to figure out Getting on the phone, um. And I just so happened to to receive it and I will tell you this contract is probably necessary. No, I'm not gonna say it's probably necessary. I know it's necessary because it's a very difficult process and you all right now our our state employees are struggling. I have state employees in my district that they call me from time to time. They are struggling. For them to receive a little bit of forgiveness. Will go a long way. That'll go a long way in our economy. Because the money that they can save on on when they're paying their student loans they put it right back into the economy and it is needed at this time and so I would just ask for you all to get on the same page with me and Representative Pilkington, and let's go ahead and and pass this out. Thank you. Representative
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Representative Frances Cavenaugh Unverified 42:20
Kavanaugh, you recognize. I will say, I appreciate all the state employees and all the hard work that they do, but I want to remind this chamber, we just gave $140 million raise to state employees. I voted for that because I believe they're worse. And I believe that we're getting them to a market value. But I also know that if they want a consultant to help them figure out a federal program. And I've been told that this is going to cost $66 a person or something. I have no problem with them paying that $66 just like Representative Pilkington did just like Senator Love did. But for us to pay it out of tax dollars. I think is an unwise motion. It's an unwise use of tax dollars. At some point in this state, we have to stop spending like we have an unlimited amount of money. We do not, and we have to use our money wisely. If they want to do a payroll deduct. I'm 100% for that. And I hope they get the benefit they deserve. But I just voted along with almost every member in this chamber to give them $140 million races because we were told it was for retention and recruitment. The same thing we're told this is for. This has been to us 2 times prior, 2 times prior, it's been voted down. But now we're going to bring it up again, and it came out of personnel who did not have members in the seats at the time it came out. My constituents back home would never forgive me if I voted for this. And that's why I made the motion. Thank you, Representative Senator Ervin.
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Senator Missy Irvin Unverified 44:25
Thank you, sorry, I. I just have some questions. And I was not at the personnel subcommittee and I mean, for the benefit of the membership, I'm, I'm confused as to, I'm confused. So. If I just need some clarity perhaps in some questions answered if that's allowed. Senator, we're in discussion on the motion, so I don't
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Representative Les D. Eaves Chair Unverified 44:55
know that we can bring back to the table to ask questions on this. OK,
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Senator Missy Irvin Unverified 45:03
understood. So I guess in my discussion on the motion, here are my questions. I'll just put them out and for discussion. I'm, I'm, I'm curious as to why we're hiring a consultant for a federal program that's hard to navigate. Why is that our problem? The federal government needs to fix. They're program to make it easy to navigate. I, I don't understand why the taxpayers of the state of Arkansas are having to pay to fix somebody else's problem. Federal government needs to step up and fix their problem. If it's hard to navigate, I can tell you that my constituents and my own children found it very hard to navigate the Arkansas Department of Higher Education website and the loans and the grants. And one of my sons didn't get one of them just because it was hard to navigate. So our, I'm thinking about my constituents that don't have the benefit of a consultant to even navigate our own grants and loans within the department of higher education in the state of Arkansas. Our website was a disaster. Uh, we worked to try to fix that, um, but it's still difficult. So, I, I guess I just have a lot of questions as to understanding the spend or the necessary, the necessity of the spend, um, and why the state of Arkansas has to fix the federal government's problems if they can't fix their own problem. And so somebody could answer that question for me in discussion on
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Senator Jonathan Dismang Unverified 46:33
the motion, I would be grateful. Thank you, Senator, Senator Dismay. And this is clarification and also I and if it's not the case, but the way that I heard the substitute motion that the vote would be by division, and that was on the substitute motion that it's not the case, I would still ask that there be vote by division on
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Representative Les D. Eaves Chair Unverified 47:00
the actual substitute motion. So Senator Desmeyer, are you making a substitute motion? Or if you're asking for it to be by division of chamber, we
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Senator Jonathan Dismang Unverified 47:14
need to see 3 hands. Yeah. I just want to make sure I understand what you're asking for. I'm, I'm not asking for. A substitute motion, I believe the motion is as it was originally made and you can play the tape was that it would be a motion with a vote by division. And if, if that was the motion that's well and good. If not, then I would call for the motion, the substitute motion to be voted on by division. As I believe it was originally
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Representative Les D. Eaves Chair Unverified 47:37
stated. All right, thank you. I'm gonna go back to Representative Kavanaugh to clarify that for the body.
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Representative Frances Cavenaugh Unverified 47:43
Representative Kavanaugh, my motion was for a separation of the chambers for the vote on Contract number 18, not on the motion. Give me.
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Representative Les D. Eaves Chair Unverified 48:17
Senator Dismay, looking at the, uh, motion by Representative Kavanaugh. She's asking to pull that particular contract out for separate consideration, splitting the chamber and roll call. That's her motion. Yeah, if you have something different in mind, that's entirely up to you. No, when appropriate, I'll ask for a vote by division. On the substitute motion. it. Senator Davis, you recognize.
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Senator Breanne Davis Unverified 48:51
Thank you, Mr. Chair. I just wanted to provide a little bit of clarity, um, we had a lot of debate and discussion in committee on this contract, and I know it was debated last month as well. Um, but one thing I do want to say is, um, first of all, we earn $400,000 a month on interest alone. And so this contract in a year could be paid for in less than a month. This is something that is a value add to state employees who have been doing some type of charity, nonprofit work, or, um, public service. state government work for 10 years, so you have to have been in this space for 10 years and have to have made 120 consecutive, um, payments towards your student loans to even qualify for this, uh, program. Uh, there's like an 80% denial rate. So it is very challenging and the federal government has made it very hard over the last 20 years or however long this program has existed. Um, so, you know, we talk a lot in personnel and in here about how to recruit, um, retain, attract people to state government, um, when we can't always compete with the private sector, and one of the things that our committee has talked about over the years is looking for ways to add value to these jobs. And I think this is a great way to do so. Um, you can help, you know, these employees navigate a very complicated federal process, um, get through. it and make a huge difference in their lives because, I mean some of these people are getting back tens of thousands of dollars because they overpaid and didn't know. So this is a great value added in my opinion for state employees that have been in some type of nonprofit public service work for at least 10 years and are working hard to pay off their student loans, um, and I'd say that the cost is minimal, and this is something we should certainly move forward with. You're out. Senator Love, you reckon.
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Senator Fredrick J. Love Unverified 50:57
Thank you, Mrs. Thu. I just wanted to, uh, just a procedural question, so to, to, um, The The vote for the division of the of the houses. Do you need 3 hands for that? OK, because I guess when, once, uh, Representative Kavanaugh made her motion, I guess it was, it was multiple emotions rolled into one, and so I was just, it just procedurally, I think her motion is
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Representative Les D. Eaves Chair Unverified 51:21
to, she had a substitute motion to adopt the report with the exception of the item that we're discussing, and that was the APTus contract. She wanted to pull it out for separate consideration. That separate consideration is where she wants to split the chamber and do a roll call vote if I have that right. They, so then. I guess then when we take
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Senator Fredrick J. Love Unverified 51:38
up the 3 hand. Yes. OK. All right. I'm just trying to get the procedure, you and me
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Representative Frances Cavenaugh Unverified 51:51
both. Thank you, thank you, Mr. Chair. Representative Kavanaugh, you recognized. Um, I just want to clarify again. This is not a dig at state employees. This is a representation of my district and the use of tax dollars. Any state employee. could sign up for deductions. I'm fine with that. $66 to save $10,000. I don't know any state employee that wouldn't be willing to do so. And again, I'm gonna say, it's because we just gave $140 million raise to state employees. You know what, we did not do when we gave that $140 million raise. We did not change any of their benefits. Their retirement is still the same. Healthcare is the same. Do you know who was on the hook for the Pension if it goes bad on this $140 million. It's your constituents. It's the state of Arkansas. So that unfunded liability sitting out there in our pension plan comes down to tax dollars if something were to happen. We have a very rich pay plan now for state employees. We have a very generous pension plan for state employees. We have a lot of tools for recruitment. That some employers in the state of Arkansas don't have. And when I can tell my constituents and my district that I'm gonna hire a consultant to help you figure out a program. Then I'll vote for this. Thank you. Thank you,
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Chair Unverified 53:26
Representative, uh, Senator Peyton, you recognize. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
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Senator John Payton Unverified 53:30
Well, it's pretty interesting to discuss the, uh, The contract or the topic, the motion is whether or not we're going to afford our colleagues who want to vote against this contract, the opportunity to vote against this contract without voting against everything in the report. So I appreciate Representative Kavanaugh's motion. That we separate. The report that's controversial. From all those that are not so that we can afford our colleagues who want to vote against it, the opportunity to do so without voting against the entire package. So I, so I ask you to vote
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Representative James Eaton Unverified 54:10
yes on Representative Kavanaugh's motion. Thank you, Senator Representative Kavanaugh, you're back. OK. OK, members, that, that is the motion. The
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Representative Les D. Eaves Chair Unverified 54:17
motion was to substitute motion was to adopt the report with the exception of item 18. That was the uh APTus contract to be pulled out for separate consideration. That is the motion. We have that substitute motion. Do you have a second? It was 2nd. All those in favor signified by saying aye.
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Speaker 163 54:41
Opposed The eyes have it. Alright, members, now
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Representative Les D. Eaves Chair Unverified 54:51
we're gonna take up the review of item number 18, which is the APTus contract. All members. Regarding the ATI contract at this point, we'll need a, uh, motion to review if Representative Kavanaugh. Motion our members, I'm advised before we take a motion on this individual item. Is there any discussion or questions on this item? That's up to her. There you go. All
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Representative Frances Cavenaugh Unverified 55:51
right, Representative Kavanaugh, you recognized? Um, I would like to make a motion that we review this contract, and I would like to have a separation of the chambers. On the vote, roll call and separation. So
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Representative Les D. Eaves Chair Unverified 56:04
You want to review the contract. You want to split the chamber and you want it roll call, you need 3 hands to do all those things.
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Unknown speaker 56:14
All right, we have 3 hands. Give me just a second. All right, members, we're going to proceed with the roll call
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Chair Unverified 56:45
starting with the yes sir. Who we got.
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Senator Kim Hammer Unverified 56:52
Senator Hammer, you're recognized for discussion. Thank you. I just want clarification based on the motion that was made to make sure my interpretation is correct, based on the way the motion was made if we vote yes. The contract's going
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Chair Unverified 57:05
to be reviewed. Is that correct? That's correct, sir.
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Representative Aaron Pilkington Unverified 57:07
Thank you. Representative Pilkington, you're recognized for discussion. Thank you. um. I, I can appreciate people wanting to vote on this contract separately. Uh, but one of the things too, I just would like us to think in mind, you know, can anyone tell me the difference between IDR and IBR. And those student loan for goodness program. Can anyone tell me about what the save plan is as part of the program. Does anyone know that? I do because I've gone through this process, because I've hired a I spent $500 of my own money to hire a consultant to do this. Uh, you know, I think I heard earlier that it was about 30,000 state employees that would be on this program, so I mean, uh, take that if they all had to pay $500 that's $15 million I think. I mean, or maybe my masks off, but it's a lot of money and I think this is a really good deal for what we're trying to do. But the point I want to make is it's a complicated system. Uh, I requested to start paying my loans back and get out of forbearance. Then I was put back in forbearance because the courts changed something about and then once that happened again and again. You know, it's really funny is I agree with Representative Vern's point. This is the federal government's mess. It's terrible. Uh, we're trying to help out our own people here. I can't help it that a federal judge is going to put an injunction and then stop this, then put people back in forbearance and not forbearance. I can't do anything, we can't do anything about it. Our Congress can't do anything about it. We need the courts to go and do that process. But having people telling, having these consultants to tell people, hey, you know, there's a PSL PSLF buyback program. How many of y'all are aware of the buyback program? I don't think many of you are. But having a consultant to tell you, hey, you need to put money back for that so that you can get this when you hit the 120 payments. And then also to tell you financially that, hey, maybe you don't need to work in the private sector or work in the public sector. Maybe you're going to get enough money that you actually should get out of PSLF and take this job in the public or in the private sector because it's gonna pay you more, but you have to make a certain amount to actually make that worth it while. So I just think all those things are in consideration that, you know, for someone who's lived it and been a part of it and who has colleagues who part about it, people in my district who are state employees, you know, they have They're gonna benefit from this program. And so for my constituents, it's important that this gets, that this gets approved. And so I think my people back home want me to do this. They want me to help out, and they want also the best talent to be working for the state of Arkansas, they possibly can. And so when you've got someone who leaves higher ed with a large amount of student debt and we're not able to recruit them because the Arkansas is saying that we've got to keep this budget tight. This is a tool to help them say, well, if I can get my student loans forgiven, I'll come, I'll work here for 10 years for the state government, and then I'll do it. So I just think you know, I, it's easy to sit back and say this and that, but I think unless you really know some of the complex, intricate parts of this program, which I do not think a lot of us do know. That's why it's good to have this consultant and that's why I think this contract is a really good deal at as low as it is, because if we just had every state employee go and spend this money, um, I think it'd be a lot higher, uh, cost of the state as a whole. So with that, I'd appreciate us reviewing this contract and letting it proceed. Thank you, Representative Representative Jean, you
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Speaker 214 1:00:11
recognized. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I was, I'm a member of
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Representative Lane Jean Unverified 1:00:14
personnel and I, I was in here on the discussion. And uh from what the best guess estimate that uh uh Shared Services gave us was maybe 3000 state employees. And also the testimony is that you're people at the universities throughout the state that are state employees, they're not eligible for this. This is just the 20,000 that are under the executive branch, uh, umbrella. So this is not include universities. The thing, the reason I'm voting against it is, it's, yes, it's just $300,000. But if you've noticed our, our revenue since we had record numbers of surplus from a big. dollars to 800 to 600. Now looks like we're down to 200. The last three years, our revenue has declined and everybody still wants to continue. State income tax cuts next year. And if that's what that's your goal. Adding $300,000 to a contract that helps employees and I'm all for helping employees. I voted for the $140 million that kicks in July 1 for state employees. I believe it's their responsibility to take care of their debt and the state not to do it. I granted it's 300,000, but, but we need to start honing in on our expenses if our goal is to dwindle down the state income tax and I voted for a lot of what we did because we needed it, but we've got to stop the spending. So I'm a no vote on this. Thank you.
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Senator Jonathan Dismang Unverified 1:01:54
Senator Dismayne, you recognize. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Um, now one thing I'd like to say, I do appreciate. Kind of having a better understanding what this would cost an employee if they were to go out and try to do on their own. I believe, uh, Representative Pilkington have mentioned 500 versus the $66. Uh, but I do want to have a conversation about this 140 million that we've now brought up multiple times. We are asking our agencies and those employees to work smarter, faster, and more efficient than they've ever worked before. And in fact That 140 million. Wasn't in our RSA. That's because we're asking them to absorb those increases in their own agency budgets which they are doing. They should be commended for. We, yes, there are races coming. But those raises are coming predominantly out of the budgets that they have in place right now with the dollars that they have right now. How do you do that? By being faster, smarter, and more efficient. Now employee morale matters if you are an employer and you've got employees, we go out and we try to figure out ways to increase employee morale. That's the real world. That is, you know, outside of state government, every one of us tried to do that as employers. This is a tool. To be able to help, say, look, we care. This is a way that we can help. This is an efficient way for us to help. Again, while we're asking them to be faster, smarter, and more efficient. $66. Again, I'm, I'm, I asked for a favorable vote. And again, I, I hope that we're able to go back and when we keep talking about the 140 $140 million dollar increase that we will also acknowledge. How well they are absorbing and handling that increase on their own, and they should be
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Chair Unverified 1:03:56
commended for that. Thank you, Senator, Senator
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Senator Breanne Davis Unverified 1:04:05
Davis, you recognize. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Um, I want to just clarify, um, a point that I believe representative Beatty, a question he asked her, um, said in committee, we are not using tax dollars for this contract. This contract is being paid out of a cash fund that state employees pay into. It is not tax dollars. So, when I said earlier that we earn about $400,000 a month on interest on that fund. It's not tax dollar funds, it's a cash fund that state employees are paying into. This contract can be paid for in less than a month using the interest alone on a cash fund state employees pay into. Not tax dollars. I think that's an important distinction that we all need to understand, and this is to be a benefit for state employees paid for by themselves into the fund that they put money in. Thank
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Representative Les D. Eaves Chair Unverified 1:05:05
you. Thank you, Senator Representative Beatty, you recognize.
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Representative Howard M. Beaty, Jr. Unverified 1:05:08
That, that was exactly. Thank you, Mr. Chair, exactly the point that I was about to make again. I, I agree with my colleagues on the House side, um, Representative Jean and Representative Kavanaugh on the points they made, they're very, very valid points and, and points that this body on, on both sides should consider, but the fact that the, the earnings from the EBD cash fund paid for by state employees would be providing this benefit and not straight tax dollars that would have to contribute to that and that's why. supporting this, uh, and moving forward, I encourage my colleagues to do the same.
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Chair Unverified 1:05:44
Thank you. Thank you, Representative Beatty. Uh, we have 2 more in the queue, Representative
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Representative Rick Beck Unverified 1:05:49
Beck, you're recognized. Thank you, Mr. Chair, and possibly somebody it's, it's a question, but Pasi so I can what percentage of employees would benefit from this. You know, currently the, the roles that we have now, what percentage is it 20% or what what percent of our employees would actually benefit from this program. Someone can answer
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Representative Les D. Eaves Chair Unverified 1:06:13
that I'd appreciate it. I believe Representative Jean touched on that
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Speaker 214 1:06:17
and you recognized. Yes, and testimony in committee, uh, Mr. Wallace came down out
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Representative Lane Jean Unverified 1:06:22
of the 23,000 that are eligible for it. The best, the best guess estimate and we try to get him on a number, but they guessed about 3000 employees would be eligible.
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Representative Frances Cavenaugh Unverified 1:06:36
And that was their best guess. Thank you, Representative Jean. Representative Kavanaugh. Thank you. I also understand in that cash balance and EBD is the employer part. That's paid by who? The state? Who is that paid for? Tax dollars. So everything that the state does goes back to tax dollars. The interests that we're talking about, and I've tried many times to find a way to use interest for programs. I'm always told we can't use interest for programs because it's already tied paying something else for somebody else. Why we got that interest on that program? Cause we got tax dollars that went into funds that's collecting that interest. That money is only generated because of tax dollars. State of Arkansas makes no product. We make no revenue. What we do is we tax, we fine, and we
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Senator Kim Hammer Unverified 1:07:38
penalize, and that's how we get our money. Thank you. Senator Hammer, you recognize. Thank you. I want to tag on what Senator Davis said, but I also want to bring in something different if we're talking about 3000, uh, which is an estimated number for the money that's going to be, uh, returned to them, uh, that is going to be a direct impact to the state's revenue, I think as far as additional money that now will not be paid out of the state but will be used in the state in those families where that, where they put into the retirement accounts or whether they go out and buy groceries, whatever they do, that's money that's going to generate back into the state. So I think this more as a return on investment and in expenditure out, and I think we need to factor that into our decision-making process also. I'll be
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Representative Les D. Eaves Chair Unverified 1:08:24
voting for it. Thank you. Thank you, Senator. And
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Senator Breanne Davis Unverified 1:08:27
last one, Senator Davis, you recognize. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I just wanted to clarify, we've had a lot of numbers thrown around in personnel the other day. It's approximately 30% of state employees, not 3000. We have around 24,000 state employees, so it's 30% of that, which is significantly higher than the 3000. I just wanted to clarify just because there's been 7200, um, around 7200 employees, um, are using this. Thank you.
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Chair Unverified 1:08:53
Thank you, Senator. All right, uh, Marty, let's call a roll. Starting with the house.
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Speaker 221 1:08:59
Represent painter painters and no. Represented per year represent per year is a no represent Rose. Representative Rose is a no. Representative Hawk. Represent Hawk is and now represent Beatty. Represent Betty as a yes. Speaker Evans. Speaker Evans is a no. Represent Collins. Jim Collins is a yes, representative Garner. Representative Garner Representative Crawford. Representative Crawford is a no. Represent Warren, Represent Warren. Represent Holliwell. Represent Holliwells and now represent Gazaway. Represent Gazaway as a no. Representative Kavanaugh. Some Kavanaugh's a no. Representative McCollum. Represent McCollum. Having not signed in representative Underwood as his first alternate. Underwood is a note. Representative Allen. Represent Allen is a yes. Represent what? First, alternate representative Henley. Representative Henley is a no. Represent Ferguson. Represent Ferguson as a yes. Represent Beck. Represent Beck is a no. Represent Gonzalez. Represent Gonzalez is a no represent Tosh. Represent Tasha as a no. Represent Bentley. Go to first alternate Representative Brown. Matthew Brown. Going a second alternate represent Wootton. Represented Lindstrom. Representative Lindstrom. Representative McNair. First, alternate represent Joey Carr. Going to 2nd alternate. Representative Joey Carza no. Oh, hold on. Second alternate representative Lynch is a no. Represent Whittaker. Represent Whittaker as a yes. Represent Cozart. Cozart is a no. Representative Eubanks. Represent Eubanks is a yes. Represent Wardlaw. Represent Warla represents Shepherd, represents Shepherd as a yes, Representative Jean. Representative Jean is a no. Representative Meeks. Representative Meeks is a no. Represented ladyman.
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Senator Bart Hester Unverified 1:12:20
members, the motions failed, that is not reviewed. Senator Hester, do you recognize. Just, uh, for the record, the Senate would have
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Chair Unverified 1:12:34
easily passed this for our state employees. Senator Tucker. Senator Tucker, you recognize.
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Senator Fredrick J. Love Unverified 1:12:51
Senator Love, you're recognized. Thank you, Mr. Chair. So with that, with this item not being reviewed, is it gonna be, can we re-refer back to the committee? I mean, like, or is this just a dead issue? Love, the, the
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Representative Les D. Eaves Chair Unverified 1:13:05
agency would have to bring that back up. OK. Well, I would suggest
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Senator Fredrick J. Love Unverified 1:13:08
that the agency bring it back up because this is an important matter. Thank you, Representative Warren. So motion to approve the report.
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Less item 18. Yes, so that's already been taken care of. Thank you. OK. Our members that takes us down to item H. These are review of communications. First item is the Arkansas Public Employees Retirement System. Uh, these are all in your packet and they're also online and so on item H1 we'll need a motion to uh file is reviewed. We have motion to second all those in favor opposed the ayes have it. takes us down to H2, same situation, Arkansas teacher retirement system, uh, we got a motion in the 2nd. I was in the papers say aye, opposed, I just have it. Um, each 4 members is department of commerce, Arkansas Economic Development Commission. I need a motion to approve. Motion 22, all those in favor signified by saying aye, and all those opposed. I have it. Remember that takes us on to the next page, item 8B. This is division of State Parks, request for approval of special maintenance. We need a motion to approve. The motion 2, a 2nd, all those in say a opposed the ayes have it. Item 10B division of information systems. It's also in your packet. You need a motion to file as reviewed. We have a motion Motion 2, all those in favor say aye, opposed. I have it. All right, members, that takes us down to J1. It's an interim study proposal, uh, requesting AOC to conduct a study of broad-based categorical eligibility waiver of supplemental nutrition assistance program, so we need a motion to refer this to the AOC Hospital, Medicaid and Developmental Disability Studies subgroup. We have a motion. Second, all those in favor say aye. All those opposed, the ayes have it. Uh, we have an interim study by Representative RJ Hawk. Alright, members, I need a motion to refer the lottery and video lottery to the ALC Lottery Oversight Committee. We have a motion at 2. 2nd, all those in favor say aye, oppose the ayes have it. Members, thank you for your participation today. Hope you have a great weekend. We are adjourned.
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Agenda

A. Call to Order.

3:35

B. Roll Call.

3:40

C. Approval of the Minutes of the Last Meeting, May 22, 2025.

5:02

D. Presentation of the May 2025 Revenue Report – Dr. Carlos Silva, Legislative Economist

11:25

E. Report of the Executive Subcommittee — Sen. Ben Gilmore, Rep. Les D. Eaves, Co-Chairs.

17:04

F. Reports of Standing Subcommittees:

G. Reports of Interim or Special Committees: (none)

H. Review of Communications:

1:13:37

I. New Business: (None)

J. New Interim Study Proposals and Interim Resolutions:

1:15:07

K. Business Carried Over: (none)

L. Adjournment.

1:15:55

Documents

TitleTypePagesSource
Agenda — ARKANSAS LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL (ALC), Jun 20, 2025 Agenda 3 Official source ↗
Exhibit C - ALC Minutes of May 22, 2025 Exhibit 6 Official source ↗
Exhibit D - BLR 2025-05 May 2025 Monthly Revenue Report Exhibit 8 Official source ↗
Exhibit E. - ALC Executive Report - June 19 2025 Exhibit 11 Official source ↗
Exhibit F.03 - ALC CRLRO Subcommittee June 2025 Report to ALC Exhibit 3 Official source ↗
Exhibit F.07 - ALC Hospital, Medicaid, and DDS Report Exhibit 1 Official source ↗
Exhibit F.1 ALC_Admin Rules Report_6.20.25 Exhibit 3 Official source ↗
Exhibit F.10 Occupational Report 6-20 Exhibit 1 Official source ↗
Exhibit F.11 ALC PEER Report 6-17-2025 Exhibit 16 Official source ↗
Exhibit F.12 ALC Review Subcommittee 6-20-2025 Report Exhibit 79 Official source ↗
Exhibit F.13 ALC Report of the State Insurance Programs Oversight Subcommittee June 2025 Exhibit 1 Official source ↗
Exhibit F.14 ALC Uniform Personnel Classification and Compensation Plan Exhibit 5 Official source ↗
Exhibit H.01 - APERS ALC 1211 Letter 2ndary Infra Exhibit 5 Official source ↗
Exhibit H.02 - ATRS Investment Summaries - June 2025 Exhibit 3 Official source ↗
Exhibit H.03 - COSL - Deed Report Jan-March 2025 Exhibit 421 Official source ↗
Exhibit H.04.a - DC - AEDC - FY 25 CY 2 RCGP Recs ver 5 Exhibit 7 Official source ↗
Exhibit H.05.a - DOC - PPTB May 2025 Exhibit 49 Official source ↗
Exhibit H.05.b - DOC - ACC Monthly Report June 2025 Exhibit 7 Official source ↗
Exhibit H.05.c - DOC - DOC Statewide Population report - 6-4-25 Exhibit 2 Official source ↗
Exhibit H.06.a - DFA - EATR - May 2025 General Revenue Report Exhibit 5 Official source ↗
Exhibit H.06.b - DFA - ACD - 2025 Annual Report Exhibit 197 Official source ↗
Exhibit H.07 - DHS - OSAMN - Act 775 PASSE 2025 Quarter 1 Report - Final Exhibit 6 Official source ↗
Exhibit H.08.a - DPHT - CZDC - Monthly Activity Report - May 2025 Exhibit 4 Official source ↗
Exhibit H.08.b - DPHT - DSP - 20250425 -FY2026 funding appropriation approval Exhibit 9 Official source ↗
Exhibit H.09 - DPS - ASP Health Plan Funding Report - May 2025 Exhibit 3 Official source ↗
Exhibit H.10.a - DTSS - DBA ALC Report.FY25 June Exhibit 19 Official source ↗
Exhibit H.10.b - DTSS - DIS - FY2026 Rate Packet 2.26.25 Exhibit 46 Official source ↗
Exhibit J.01 - ISP-2025-050 · New Interim Study Proposals and Interim Resolutions: › Interim Study Proposal 2025-050, by Representative DeAnn Vaught, is requesting ALC Exhibit 3 Official source ↗
Exhibit J.02 - ISP-2025-005 · New Interim Study Proposals and Interim Resolutions: › Interim Study Proposal 2025-005, by Representative RJ Hawk, to amend the definitions… Exhibit 3 Official source ↗

Speakers

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1 segment
Representative Les D. Eaves Chair Unverified
64 segments
Representative Les Warren Unverified
6 segments
Senator Jonathan Dismang Unverified
13 segments
Representative Lane Jean Unverified
9 segments
Speaker 39
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Chair Unverified
19 segments
Representative Stephen Meeks Unverified
6 segments
Representative Johnny Rye Unverified
2 segments
Representative John P. Carr Unverified
2 segments
Senator Ben Gilmore Unverified
6 segments
Senator Matt McKee Unverified
2 segments
Representative Jeff Wardlaw Unverified
2 segments
Senator Clarke Tucker Unverified
12 segments
Speaker 86
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Speaker 94
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Speaker 95
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Speaker 104
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Speaker 105
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Speaker 109
3 segments
Representative Andrew Collins Unverified
1 segment
Representative James Eaton Unverified
2 segments
Senator Jim Dotson Unverified
5 segments
Representative Matthew J. Shepherd Unverified
1 segment
Senator Missy Irvin Unverified
7 segments
Representative David Whitaker Unverified
2 segments
Representative Frances Cavenaugh Unverified
23 segments
Representative Stetson Painter Unverified
2 segments
Senator Fredrick J. Love Unverified
10 segments
Speaker 148
1 segment
Senator Breanne Davis Unverified
13 segments
Representative Howard M. Beaty, Jr. Unverified
4 segments
Representative Rick Beck Unverified
5 segments
Speaker 175
1 segment
Representative Aaron Pilkington Unverified
11 segments
Speaker 181
1 segment
Senator John Payton Unverified
3 segments
Speaker 163
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Senator Kim Hammer Unverified
3 segments
Speaker 214
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Speaker 221
6 segments
Senator Bart Hester Unverified
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