House Aging, Children and Youth, Legislative & Military Affairs Committee Part 1
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Members, at this time, we'll be hearing House Bill 1628 by Representative Letting. You're recognized to present your bill. Thank you, Madam Chair,
Representative Greg Leding
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members of the committee. I'm sure most of you probably remember this bill from a couple of weeks ago. It's House Bill 1628, had to do with guardianship. We got it down to the Senate and made one slight amendment. The amendment is on page four of the bill.
And it clarifies that judges retain the authority to appoint a temporary guardian or custodian for an endangered or impaired person in the custody of the Department of Human Services. That's the only change, and we'll take questions. Members, you've heard an explanation
of the bill. Are there any questions? Representative Summers, you're recognized. Motion proper time, Madam Chair. Seeing
Representative Tim Summers
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no questions, we'll go ahead and accept your motion.
do pass we have a motion do pass is there anyone in the audience who would like to speak for the bill against the bill seeing none all in favor say aye aye any opposed no eyes have it motion carries thank you next up we have Senate bill 339 by senator crumbly senator company you're recognized to present your bill
Senator Jack Crumbly
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I'm here to speak for Senate Bill 339. Senate Bill 339, as amended, is to formulate a committee to start a regional
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system of education or high schools for adjudicated juveniles. I have a handout that's being passed out to you. It's going to give you a brief overview of the bill and its concepts. So, that's it. While you're doing that, while you're looking at that, let me try to move into
Senator Jack Crumbly
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it. If you will look at the last page of that handout, the very last page, you can see that currently we are paying a tremendous amount of money for incarcerating a juvenile.
You can see the cost per juvenile per year is approximately $106,041.20, a tremendous amount of money. So what this regional high school would be would be an alternative for juvenile judges to have instead of sending these students away for residential confinement, But to keep them there within their local community, it will be a high school. It will be a non-residential facility.
The kids would go be bused in, and they would go
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home every afternoon. But what's going to be a little different than most schools, and we will have all of the requirements in the school, the 22 credits that are required by the Department of Education for them to have for graduation, We'll also offer GED, but in addition to that, we are going heavy on the vocational skills piece. We would try to teach these students a marketable skill, skills such as building technology,
which is carpentry and masonry, computer technology, welding, HVAC, cosmetology, barbering, culinary arts, med professions all of these programs and I also have with me if you look at the various departments now if you look back at the bill itself Senate bill 339 really forms this multi-agency Commission I have members from these
commissions from these agencies here not Commission excuse me from the agencies here, and if you don't mind with your permission, I would like for them to come to the table, if that's okay. That's fine. Okay. Mr. Williams, Mr.
Senator Jack Crumbly
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Angel, Mr. Duckworth, and the young lady, and everyone, if you'd gather around and... Gentlemen, if you would please state your
name and who you're with for the record.
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Rod Duckworth, associate director with the Department
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director of Division of Youth Services. Madam Chairman, I'm R.T.
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Williams, Director, Arkansas Department of Workforce Services. So this agency, along with Mr. Kimbrell, his designee, and also from higher ed, Mr. Broadway,
they are going to promulgate the rules for these regional high schools. And like I said, the whole thing about the regional high schools, keeping the students at home, I think
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there's a lot of data that proves that if you can keep
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the student within the community and certainly at home, they fare a much better chance of becoming successful. I was beginning to speak about the marketable skills piece, and we are going to certainly concentrate on teaching these students marketable skills
because many of these students who are going to be adjudicated also have great education deficits. They are behind in school. So probably what we will do is to try to overcome those educational deficits, but we're also going to try to teach them a marketable skill. And Mr. Williams, through his program, through Workforce Ed, we're going to have summer apprenticeship programs where we actually place these students out to work with a potential employer during the summer
and hopefully on weekends. We have career education here that will approve the program, help us with startup money. We have Mr. Angel here from the Department of Youth Services that will supply the counseling and other things. So this multi-agency task force is going to come together and write the rules and regs for the school. And I think it will be a lot – well, certainly it will be a lot cheaper. I think it will be a lot more effective in trying to – instead of incarcerating IU.
I'll be quiet and I'll answer any questions from the committee.
Representative Stephen Meeks
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Representative Meeks, you're recognized. Thank you, Madam Chair. Senator Crumley, I appreciate you presenting this bill. As somebody who has worked in a charter school before for troubled youth, this definitely has merit. I do have some questions, though, for you on this, just to make sure I have a better understanding. This is funding for the multi-agency commission shall be provided by the Department of Career Education or each agency.
I'm sorry, this is on page two, starting with line one. This is each agency that serves on the multi-agency commission. Is this going to require extra appropriation from us in order to set up this commission? Well, the answer to
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that is no, but I can let each one of the agencies. I'll just let them answer that. The answer to that is no, because each agency will pay whatever share, whatever it costs for when they meet or that designees to meet.
So, no, sir, to answer your question, absolutely not. It
Representative Stephen Meeks
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would be no additional cost. Okay. And when you're talking about, I guess, looking at these alternate school systems, do we not already have – I know we have charter schools already in Arkansas. We also have, I think, in Conway, there's Marguerite Van, which is set up for, I think, troubled youth or youth that seem to have behavioral problems.
Do we not already have schools such as this already set up in place? And if so, what would be the additional need for these alternative schools schools if we already have some alternative schools
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in the system? I think there would be a great need for these schools. And to answer that question, I don't believe there are regional high schools that are primarily set or put in place for adjudicated juveniles.
What this will do, and now there are some schools maybe that lean heavily towards teaching vocational skills, but for the piece to actually be geared up towards the adjudicated juveniles, the answer to that, as far as I know in Arkansas, there is nothing in place for that. Now, the purpose of this agency, this multi-agency task force, is to come together, take your
ideas and everybody else. I don't know what their final decision will be, whether it will be an open enrollment charter school, which direction they will go. That's what we're bringing this multi-agency task force together. But at the end of the day, we are hoping that when they write and promulgate the rules and regulations that we will come out and hopefully school year 2012-2013, they will look at establishing a model program, at least opening one, and to see how successful it will be.
And if proven successful, maybe opening up as many as five. Okay. And
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one last question. If you would like to ask the agency head, I'll let Mr. Angel answer that because he's with DYS. Sure. If he wants to add
Representative Stephen Meeks
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one last question, if I may. Does this bill allow for you to look at middle school? I know you mentioned high school, but the school that I worked in for troubled youth was at middle school
because there was some thought to the fact that by high school age, they've gotten so far behind or they've set to where you lose a lot and that if you can start like at the sixth grade, there's a greater possibility of turning lives around or setting them on a better path than they may be than waiting until the high school life. So does this bill allow the commission to make recommendations for the middle school level if you find that that is needed?
Senator Jack Crumbly
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Yeah. I would say yes. I won't answer, but the answer is yes. The agency, this multi-agency task force is going to come up with the final rules and rigs on how this particular regional school will be set up. So that is a possibility. But Mr. Angel can answer that. Yeah. If he wants to add anything, go
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ahead. Well, studies have shown that when you get kids early, as you possibly can, you're going to divert them from actually becoming delinquent.
And I think your comment is well taken, sir, that if we can address that younger group, I think we're going to be better off, and that's something that we'll all look at. Of course, from the DYS standpoint, adult education probably wouldn't have anything on that issue, but we'll look at it from the total group of kids that would be coming to us. Thank you. Thank you,
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Madam Chair. Representative Gaskell, you're recognized. Thank you. Good morning, Senator Crumley. Good morning, Doctor.
Representative Billy W. Gaskill
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Good to see you from Earl again. Oh, yes, sir. Thank you. Listen, when I look at 16,700 people in the penitentiary and what you're doing is admirable, I know a little something about this, but we've got to quit putting these kids in the penitentiary. And your alternative here just sounds wonderful to me, and you've got one of the greatest guys in the world, haven't you, Mr. R.T. Williams. So I wanted to criticize you, but I just can't find anything to criticize you about.
Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you, Dr.
Representative Gary Deffenbaugh
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Gaskell. Representative Deffenbaugh, you're recognized. Thank you, Madam Chair. Senator, I also like this idea. Explain to me again if funding is needed, where that's going to come from. I know you, I think it's been explained a little bit, but I missed some of it,
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if you don't mind. Now, the funding that's in that bill is talking about the multi-agency task force funding.
That's what it's talking about. Well, that funding will come from each of those agencies. But ultimately, if you're talking about the funding for the regional school itself, that's what, that decision is going to be made by this multi-agency task force. But I'm sure it may be I'm not going to speak, but these are some of the options, just as he mentioned earlier. They might start it out as an open enrollment public charter school.
They may provide a number of options because that's going to be left up to them. but I think probably one of the options would be that whatever entity they would set up would probably have it so that the money would follow those particular adjudicated students since they wouldn't be served in their regular communities anymore. And if there are already dropouts in which many of these delinquent kids would be,
they are not receiving, the public schools are not receiving money for them currently anyway. So we look at this, so they will come up with the means and the wherewithal to set up the funding stream to try to operate these particular schools. And that's the reason everyone is at the table. You can see if you can, if DYS is currently paying $106,000 to incarcerate one a year, Maybe if we can divert some of those kids from being incarcerated, you know, some of that money can be diverted to help support the school.
If it's an open enrollment charter school, then the money would follow the kids, whatever regular funding, categorical funding they would have. The Department of Career Education could supply startup money for buying equipment and also help with the adult education and also the GED. So between all of the agencies working together, I think they will probably come up with, I guess, a multiple of funding streams, I guess, to try to make to
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fund this model for this adjudicated school.
Representative Gary Deffenbaugh
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That's the way I'm looking at it. Okay, thank you. Also, let's just say that as far as starting up, is it 9th through the 12th grade, or does it go on into adulthood?
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Well, that was the original idea, but since the – What's your name, sir? Can't see – excuse me, Representative Meeks mentioned and Mr. Angelman. So it will be left up to the committee.
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Naturally, the lower that we go in grades, then we're going to encounter more kids. But still, it is going to be a school. So even if they were sixth grade, they would just be bussed in and bussed back home daily. So that's an option that will be
Representative Gary Deffenbaugh
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left up to the committee. Okay. One more question. All right. In general, we're thinking that the court assigns them to this school or that's a possibility from the court. And once they enter, let's say it's ninth grade,
will they be mandated by law to stay in there through the twelfth grade to graduate unless they get in trouble again? or how does that how
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would that work I'll pass that off to mr. Angel he's the expert there representing what
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will happen is the judge is a form of diversion could send the youth to that school with a provision that they successfully complete whatever level level the judge feels is necessary and I think what we're talking about is there's going to be this it's going to be an option rather than commit they will go as a diversion they can go to
school if they do all right in school they start performing appropriately then the judge may drop made may not charge them and send them to commit them delinquent to me the other thing I wanted to mention is that this there's a lot of kids out there that get kicked out of school and they can't go back and what they do is they end up walking the streets sometimes the school the regs will prohibit them from going back to school and what I understand from
Senator Crumley what we're going to be looking at is how can we save those kids and I think that conceptually this this is what an option that we can use to work with the courts and with these kids to hopefully save some of them and we're all about saving one at a time as many as
Representative Efrem Elliott
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we can yes I'm for that thank you thank you madam chair representative Elliott you're
recognized thank you Madam Chair, Senator, can you tell me again how much it costs to incarcerate a child per
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year? Okay. Do you have a handout in front of you? If you look on the very last page, it's $106,041.20
Representative Efrem Elliott
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per year. And that's not including if they have some kind of mental illness
Senator Jack Crumbly
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or anything, is it? I'll hand that off to Mr. Angel. That was just what I got from
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legislative research. That cost is per bed that we have. It's not per use. Some will be less, but that's an average cost per bed for residential confinement.
But mental health, some of those items are if they're not in a residential setting, they can be Medicaid eligible. If they're Medicaid eligible, they'll pay for the mental health treatment. outpatient substance abuse I think is coming up now
Representative Efrem Elliott
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and also senator you said that with some of those resources them actually going instead of going to like a D.Y.S. or something they will be more in a classroom setting and they will also be learning social skills is is that
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correct all right they yes in in
addition to just regular 22 credit curriculum
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we're going to teach them a lot of what we call life skills, anger management, conflict resolution, a lot of those skills to try to help them to cope better just being there, but our main focus is to try to get them out of school, but also with a marketable skill and, okay, if you all will bear with
I mean, this is the concept, and you can, we bring them in ninth grade. We have all of these various options for them to go in terms of their skills. They will do their academics in the morning. They will move over into their skills area. During the summertime, they would be put place with potential employers, and that's where Mr. Williams' program would come in with an apprenticeship program. program. You give the kids a chance to go and work with a potential employer. If they
prove to work okay, then this person will keep hopefully the young man or young lady engaged, employed. Then I have a student who is in school also earning a little money to keep him out of trouble so he won't have to go out and run with his, try to steal or break in to get money or status with his peers. We're teaching them a skill. The skill that he's learning every afternoon in school is going to be directly tied to the job, hopefully,
that he will have. So then that makes that learning relevant. And then we keep them in that system. They go through. They do those apprenticeship programs. Hopefully upon graduation The records are permanently sealed, they receive their diploma, and hopefully they either go to work and if they need to go on to further or finish their area of certification, let's say that a young lady or a young man was in the med professions and they wanted to finish
and then they really decided they wanted to go and enter into an LPN program, licensed practical nurse program. Well, it only takes 1,326 clock hours to become an LPN after they graduate from high school. So we would try to make sure that's where high ed would come in, that we could put them in a pipeline and keep them in these skills. And also for all of the other skills like HVAC welding until they completed their area of certification.
Representative Efrem Elliott
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So what you're telling me is we're going to take a child who is diverted, who could possibly go to DYS
and we pay a hundred and some thousand we're gonna put them in a classroom setting instead of a jail like setting and we're gonna teach them educate we're gonna educate them we're gonna teach them social skills and we're gonna give them a trade is that correct that's correct okay well also a madam chair motion at the proper time I've got a few people with
We have questions, and Representative Benedict Beach to the motion. Representative Stubblefield, you're recognized.
Chair
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Thank you, Madam Chair. Yes, Senator Crumley. Yes, sir. On Section 2, Line 34, where it talks about nonjudicial probation under the supervision of the intake officer, it goes all the way through participation in drug court, participation in drug-approved teen court. these mandatory hold
Representative Gary Stubblefield
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on section 2 line 31 it really begins in line 34 okay I will
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I'll defer that to Mr. Angel, which is right here. This
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piece here, they will be under agreement with
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the court. I was trying to read here non-judicial probation of the supervision intake officer
Chair
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it goes on oh these will not be mandatory it would be determined by the judge if
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the local I don't know if you're going to have a teen court in there we haven't gotten that far into this to determine whether it's going to be a teen court well it says maybe Well, these are options that we're going to look at as a group on some successful things that there may be.
The team courts that I'm familiar with have been very successful where the kids will manage themselves. And it's, in fact, the North Little Rock City Attorney told me that they have one over there that the kids are tougher on them than the judges. So these are benefits that we will look at as a possibility. And I think that this was an array of services that the Senator wanted to include for our consideration. But as far as the court, now the court can set whatever stipulations they want on the youth as far as participation, what things that they will be required to participate
Chair. MS. Representative Sanders isn't at the table, so Representative Walker, you're
Representative John W. Walker
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recognized for a question. I'd like several questions, if
I may, Madam Chair. Mr. Crumley, how many ‑‑ Senator Crumley, I'm sorry. How many students would be affected by the regional educational career alternative school
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system in your contemplation? Well, that would depend, certainly.
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It all depends on how the final structure by this multi-agency task force. If it's just strictly for adjudicated juveniles, then within reason I would probably say maybe around 100. But if it's an open and if they allow it to become an open enrollment school, too, juveniles also for adjudicated juveniles and for other students, then I would say depends
upon the facility and all of the things that the entity would have in terms of how many students they could have. But I would say probably estimating, I'd probably say from 100, 200.
Representative John W. Walker
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I think that I take it that you are saying that this is a
contemplation. It is not something that you would anticipate having put into operation in the next two
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years. Yes, sir. It is what we are hoping, if you look at what it says, that
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they will strive to try to get one, a model open next school year. Now, I'm trying
Representative John W. Walker
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to understand, is it for $100,000, or is it $200,000, or $300,000? And, I mean, I think that there ought to be some certainty because the number has a correlation to cost. Would you not agree? Well, the number.
Yes, sir. All right. And the budget you have attached here, $26 million. Is that
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right? No, that last sheet there, Senator, is just a sheet from legislative research to show what we are currently paying to incarcerate a juvenile for one year. That is not the cost of this school because That's fine. Can you tell me
Representative John W. Walker
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what the cost for the school would be?
Senator Jack Crumbly
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Just all there are
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a number of factors. If it was an open enrollment public charter school,
Senator Jack Crumbly
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I'd say to probably handle with transportation costs, 100 kids, and again, depends on the area, but I would say probably around $1.72
Representative John W. Walker
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million. MR. So that would mean $17,000 per child?
MR. Yes, sir. MR. Now, but you have not had an impact study developed in
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terms of economics, have you? MR. Senator, that will be the function of this multi-agency task force. They said, too, when I did the final amendment, that is what they are going to do, the multi-agency task force.
They're going to look and try to come up with ways, look at each one contributing various each one looking at their various funding streams that they have available to see could they come up a way to successfully finance or create this new entity, which would be this adjudicated school, regional school. MR. I'm being fast because I
Representative John W. Walker
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know we have other people who want to ask. This multi-agency task force, has it ever created anything like this before, or is it
aware of any place in the United States which has created an institution such as
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this? MR. I would pass that over to Mr. Angel. I think he can answer that for you. You
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just turn it. Yes, Representative. There has been – I'm familiar with Oregon has had a school, something like this. The name of the school slips my mind, but it has been found to be successful. There are other schools out. There are other states that are doing things like this.
Representative John W. Walker
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I'm skeptical, Mr. Angel. So the state of Arkansas and the state of Oregon are totally different. Oregon has a largely white population, and while you have pockets of blacks, they are very small in percentage. Less than four percentage of the Oregon population is African American, and it's very small in Hispanic and Asian population. We are talking about basically black youth, and we're talking about the Delta, and we're
talking about different kinds of other factors that are involved. Do you have any knowledge or have you seen any study that has related to this kind of population with these kinds of handicaps, where this concept has been tried? I mean, that's a yes or no? MR. No. All right. Now, I've also been concerned about DHS's capacity to educate people.
Do you all have any experience in educating children in DHS above 1 to 3 as an agency?
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MR. I can't. For DYS, we have a system of education in our facilities. MR. Well, what you have is
Representative John W. Walker
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a system whereby the Department of Correction and the juvenile courts have educational systems and kids are taught when they are incarcerated isn't that
correct that's basically all you have the
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schools we have are for kids in our residential facilities that's correct
Representative John W. Walker
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now though is it fair to say that none of those have ever been evaluated from a performance versus cost basis written evaluation if so we could see it but But have you ever seen one yourself? We have
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recently undergone an evaluation by the Department of Education, both general ed and special ed. I understand. But it's
Representative John W. Walker
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not in writing, and it's not by –
Representative Walker, if I could really quickly – if we could stay on the bill,
Representative John W. Walker
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which is the multitask force, not as far as – Well, here's where I'm going, Representative Malone. This is something that's real important, and it has great importance to black youth in this state. And it's something that Senator Crumley has worked on a long time, and I want it to be thoroughly understood before we send it out simply to accommodate him or some other person.
And since he's relying on somebody else to relate to it, I'd like to just
get some understanding of what those person's experiences are before we pass something out of
here. Now, if I may just ask one or two more. In terms of staff, Mr. Angel, is your first name Rick? MR. No, sir, it's Ron. In terms of experiences, do you have anything within DHS where you have – this is basically
for boys, isn't it? No. It's co-ed. It's co-ed. Well, do you have anything in DHS where you have been able to say this worked to help elevate the educational attainment of the youth anything in the division of youth
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services we are looking at the progress of kids a lot of them come in and they need remediation and we do collect data on this remediation and how they have improved while they were
in our facilities but this is separate from this bill is separate from the
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ones coming does. May I answer? I'll try to. Representative Walker, what we're going to do is to hopefully when this entity is created, that's the reason you see the first stakeholder in the multi-agency task force is the Department of Education, and to bring them in so I'm sure that they are going to certainly put the standards and accreditation and all of the other things
that it would take for this to come up with enough rigor for it to meet their standards. The reason we're trying to put this together is because in these tough economic times we're We're trying to
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bind together these multi-agencies so each one can look at what dollars that they have, what dollars could be diverted, and to create this entity called a regional high school that could deliver what Representative Elliott talked about, which could bring them
in, educate them, give them a high school diploma, GED, give them all of the support services, the counseling, the social skills, give them a marketable skill, and hopefully upon graduation, either go to work that Monday or be able to continue on in their skills or trade area until they complete their certification. That's the whole premise of the school. And it keeps them at home.
It's an alternative to residential confinement. It would be much more economical since we are spending that $106,000 to sit here at
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the end of the table and tell you we have it all ironed out down to the penny. The answer to that is no, because when we take in the regional area, the four or five counties that might surround a particular central point where the school might be located, then
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you have to see what your transportation costs would depend on how many kids are coming.
But I think what earlier before you arrived, another area that we're looking at is that in every community that you go to, there are a number of kids who have been expelled from school or just simply have dropped out of school. You can almost drive across any city during the day, and you'll see school-age kids that are just walking the street. Hopefully, this school will also appeal to them, and they will be able to enroll. And if you can get them there, put them in a smaller setting, give them the skills that they need.
Hopefully, start teaching them a skill. Hopefully, get them some type of gainful employment. especially that's the reason Mr. Williams is here during the summer that's what this school is designed to do now will it be perfect? Nope. Will we save everybody who steps in our door? Nope. The public schools aren't doing that but I do honestly believe in my heart and soul that if the school is set up right and this agency does their work that we can create an entity
that can save a lot of
kids. Thank you Mr. Thank you Senator Crumbly, you and Mr. Angel and Mr. Jones and Representative Elliott, we all went to Ohio and toured a facility that is, if I'm understanding it, is similar to what the ultimate goal of this task force is. And is it safe to say that this task force is a result of avoiding a lawsuit for the state of arkansas and it would ultimately save us money am i does that well is the state not under
is it a possibility the state could be sued with by a group with the way that the youth are handled and this
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could help us avoid that lawsuit uh i will appeal i'll i don't know but certainly I think it, whether that, I'll let Ms. Nangel answer that. I just don't know whether we are under any type of
court order. Not under a court order, but have been threatened, not threatened, but, you know,
the possibility of a lawsuit is out there,
and this could help us avoid a very costly lawsuit like what happened to the state of Ohio. Oh, yes. So that's what this bill is a result of, to save the state from
a big, big lawsuit. Oh, yes. Okay. Thank you.
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Representative Sanders is going again. Representative Elliott. Thank you, Madam Chair. I'll be very
Representative Efrem Elliott
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brief, a couple quick questions. Senator, is this high school, is it just for black kids?
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No. It's just an open enrollment school. It's
Representative Efrem Elliott
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open enrollment to any color, so you don't anticipate it just being a fully black school, fully
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Hispanic, white school? And really, you know, while, you know, and the agency, that multi-agency, they will set the criteria, but the answer is no. I have just a couple more questions. I just want
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to make it quick. Representative Elliott, if I
could very quickly, I know these are great questions that y'all are asking,
and I think Representative Walker would be a great person to have on the multi-task force, but we're kind of getting off of the bill is about
the task force. It's not about the school. itself, it's about forming the
Representative Efrem Elliott
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task force to study these questions. MR. Okay. Well, I have a couple more questions. There was asked in reference to the task force would it be mandated that the kids go through court-approved educational counseling treatment, court-approved teen court, drug court.
And this question is for Mr. Angel. There are several of these courts that are across Arkansas now. Are they successful? The teen
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courts, the ones I'm familiar with, have been extremely successful. The youth working with youth to correct what's going on with their counterparts. Are you familiar with the drug court? The drug courts have been successful as well. And one of the things I stuttered around while ago with Representative Stubblefield's question
And this is where the court will talk with the youth about a plan for that youth and them participating in mental health treatment, them going to school, them being successful, them participating. Has it been your experience that
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the children are a little bit more hard on each other than the adults would probably? Everything I've seen, they've been
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tougher on them than the judges. I just have one more question. If the task force
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is formed, will you guys address that issue with our kids that are expelled who are actually, as you said, walking around who, once they're expelled, cannot go to another state high school and enroll, and they're just out there?
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Will you guys address that issue? I can assure you that that's an area that will be addressed. And that was one of the things when we were speaking with the local superintendents to avoid that turf war. And that's what I assured them, that a lot of the kids that we're talking about that will go to these regional schools are students that are not currently enrolled in school. They either drop out, like you say, or kids who've been expelled or kids who are just simply under order of the court.
So that's what it's hopefully this new creature will be, this new regional school will be an entity where both co-ed, it can accept kids like these dropouts, kids who are walking the streets, the kids who are adjudicated and referred to by the judge. And I just have one more
Representative Efrem Elliott
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question, Senator. The other question is, will this task force address these kind of issues, thinking outside the box?
Because generally what we've been doing for the last couple, maybe 10 or 15 years, may not be working as well. So this task force will address thinking outside the box, like this program, to come up with different ways to get our youth back in school and educate them to become productive members in society. Well, you have three of them here.
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I'll let them answer those. I won't answer for them. Okay. All right. Okay. All right. If
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you could repeat what you were looking for.
Representative Efrem Elliott
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I just want – I just ask, is this task force creating this school or whatever it is, are you guys going to think outside the box to come up with creative programs to help get our kids back
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in school? Exactly. So knowing that there were originally that we had a lot of us had some initial concerns and we knew that we needed more time to study it so that we could do this thing correctly and look at the data and look at the supporting information to make sure that we include the pieces that need to be included so that we can have something that's going to be successful
long term, not something that
will be there for short term.
Representative Mary P. "Prissy" Hickerson
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Thank you, Madam Chair. Representative Hickerson, you're recognized. Thank you, Madam Chairman. I just have a question about the entire bill itself. Senator Crumley, I think this is a wonderful idea, but we keep talking about a task force and to me, reading the bill, we are creating this alternative school system for adjudicated youth.
we're creating this and establishing a commission to flesh it out and oversee
it. Is that correct? No, ma'am. The only thing that the bill
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really creates or brings together is the multi-agency task force. Now, their assignment would be or their task is to come up with looking at some models or some programs for a regional system to educate adjudicated kids or the kids that
have been mentioned earlier in these conversations. But then if you notice, you never see a shell throughout that entire bill, throughout this entire bill. Then it said that they would strive, which means if funds are available or things like that everything is right to try to open one as a model but it does not mandate there's not a shell so the only thing that we're bringing together this bill is just simply to create a multi-agency task force and their task is to look at
coming up with something to some methods for starting a regional school but there's not a shell in the bill so the answer to that would be no we're not that we're not they are not they don't have to start the school they can meet and we're not creating a school by giving that assignment to them yes ma'am yes
Representative Mary P. "Prissy" Hickerson
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sir well on page 2 on line 5 it says the multi-agency Commission shall and of
Of course, I do know that it says strive, but I guess I'm
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just, you know. Now, that shall needs to be there. They will establish the criteria. That's what they shall do. They're going to establish the
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criteria for a career-based. That means if one is created, they're going to write the rules and regs and how many kids and the courses that are going to be taught, what's going to be required for graduation, how they're going to enter, all of those things, and it's all of the things that go along with that.
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That's what they are going to do. And then it just says when the rubber meets the road after they meet, then there is not a shell. They said they will strive to open at least one. So will this commission, yes, they shall be put together, this multi-agency commission, to study. That's the only thing the shell refers to, is that these five agencies or their designees will come together and study to put together a plan for a regional school for adjudicated youth.
That's where the shell ends. Then, when it comes to whether we're actually commissioning them to start a school, then that's when you see the word in Part C, where you see strive. So the answer to that question would be, yes, we're asking them to come together to
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study and promulgate the rules and put it together,
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but no, we're not demanding that they start a school or making them start a school. Okay,
Representative Mary P. "Prissy" Hickerson
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thank you. Well, I just needed that clarified, that this was actually a task force and not a commission to oversee a school.
I mean, because, you know, it sounds as if there are questions on how much
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it's going to cost. Oh, well, I was just, you know, they just asked me those questions, and I was just trying
to be responsive. Yes, sir. Thank you. Yes, ma'am. Representative Benedict, you're recognized for a question.
Representative Lori Benedict
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Thank you. Senator Crumbly, I admire you for tackling the concept of fundamental change in the system. It's a huge, enormous undertaking that you have decided to undertake. And my only question is, you have five agencies listed as becoming part of this multi-agency
Commission. Would it be possible that if you think you need some other input from other agencies you
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could add them to the Commission? Absolutely. And probably one that we would certainly that's not listed but I think should be there would probably be the courts. Exactly. Yes. The administrative order of the courts, yes, ma'am. But certainly if they are interested, we could certainly look at bringing them on board.
Thank you, Senator. Because what we want to do,
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we want to design, we want to have all the stakeholders at the table to try to come up with the
best possible plan we can. At proper time, a motion? What's the proper time? You're recognized. Thank you. I
make a motion to do pass. We have a motion. You do pass, Representative Walker, you're recognized to speak against the bill.
Representative John W. Walker
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I apologize to Senator Crumley, and I apologize to you all. I know that you all want to do something good to deal with that part of the population that most in need. And in the haste to do things, we often do almost anything. So here are my objections.
First of all, this is not a task force being created. It's a governing board being created. You will see that it is. It shall consist of five members, and it does not leave room, Representative Malone, for participation from people like myself or people otherwise in the community who have some concerns or interest in the problem that's being addressed. It leaves it up to five agencies, at least two or three of which don't have a good track
record for addressing the needs of the children who would be enrolled in the schools. Part of the reason for this school is the failings of the educational system. But we have the Department of Education as one of the partners who is going to be running this and, of course, probably funding it. And we also have DHS, which doesn't have a good track record in terms of delivery of services. But it does not leave any room here for people who really know about troubled
youth at all and who can relate to those concerns. The funding, I mean, here's what you're saying. We'll put any amount of money on this, and we don't have a cost estimate. You have to have a cost estimate, because otherwise what you're saying is we're going to take money from some sources that are unidentified and we're going to put it all here. And the Senator
says that we want to start it this year. Well, how can you start something this year unless it's budgeted this year? We don't know what the cost is or whatever. But one thing we don't want to have happen in this state, I believe, is the notion that we can't trace If the cost per pupil of public education can be determined to be between $7,000 and $10,000 a year, we ought to know whether this is going to be between $17,000 and $20,000 per year. And then we have to make a legislative judgment as to whether or not we want to spend that
much to address this problem, or is there some other way to address it? Now if this is a task force, that's one thing. And Representative Malone, I think you contemplated it as a task force. I do not oppose a task force. I want that clear. I think it should be studied, and if we're going to do something, fellow representatives, it should be on a thoughtful basis before we put any money to it. It has to be something that the task force develops,
and then we consider the propriety of it and the advantages and the disadvantages of it. Now, here's what you'll be faced with otherwise. You have allowed the creation of a charter school system. That charter school system operates basically in Pulaski County. That's where the Pulaski County desegregation case is, and that's where a lot of money is going. And I would say a lot of it unnecessarily. But you have charters here for one set of kids, and you have public schools for another. And the state is obliged not to create any more one-race schools.
You all have made a commitment legislatively not to do that. And a one-race school is one where the majority of the population, especially when blacks are only 15 percent of the state, where you have more than 50 or 60 percent of the population being African-American. And we know that the population that is intended to be served, at least in one of these facilities, is going to be African-American. And we cannot have in 2011 and 12 the creation of more racially identifiable schools, whatever name you call it.
Now, I don't take pleasure in sitting here because Senator Crumley is an honorable man of good intent, and you all are too, but I do think that there's another perception, and that perception is one, which is this. You all came here to enact good legislation that's related to the problems, and it's to be cost-related as well as efficiency-related. There is no component here to evaluate that this is not set up so that a school can go into place this next year as contemplated or even year after next.
And if there were an amendment for this Representative Malone to be a task force to be studied for one year or two years, then I would certainly support it, but it needs to be otherwise amended. So what I'm arguing for here is that this matter be put to study for a year and that this group of people perhaps be assembled for that purpose and then let them come back and tell us what's what.
But otherwise, it's a pig and a poke. You don't know how much it's going to cost. You don't know how many students are going to be involved. You're talking about pulling a staff together. You're talking about creating a facility without some determination of cost. You don't know where you're going to get the money. You don't know whether it's A money or B money from whatever the funds are. So I say to you, the uncertainties of it are too great for something as important as this to rush into it hastily and to rush into it without the thought that you thought, Representative Malone, would go into it.
So I ask that you all
refer this to a study commission. Representative Walker, will you take some
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questions? MR. I certainly will. Representative Elliott, you're recognized. MR. Thank you, Madam Chair.
Representative Walker, you mentioned several things in your statement right there. I guess my question is, are you affiliated with any
youth organizations in the community? MR. I will say this to you.
Representative John W. Walker
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I have represented for the past 40 years the bulk of black youth in this state who have had problems with the juvenile court system, the educational system, and the criminal justice system. And I'm affiliated with them in many ways, and I'm the representative of a number of them in continuing class actions. And here's what I've learned. Lawsuits don't resolve things. lawsuits get you to a point
where people just stay as they are and and I
Representative Efrem Elliott
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appreciate that mr. Walker I think that you've been a leader in a community in reference to lawsuits it's not just that but I've been otherwise I'm just saying I appreciate that but my question was not answered so I'm just yes to my your question when I'm answering that directly yeah honestly do you think that there's an issue in reference to our youth today
most definitely why else would I
be here I'm in this legislation for that reason what they might my next question is is this I'm you mentioned that DHS did not do a fairly well
job where with good job do here are a good job do you have any statistics or any information regarding did you bring it with you no sir okay with it but I can make it available as you see it to me then that's just like a a pig in a blanket or something to see it one of them a pig in a poke a pig in a poke yeah so and I would just like to say that a and my last question is this I think a do you not think that a task force or school to address these issues would help our youth further the cost
Representative John W. Walker
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well if you you didn't hear what I said representative Elliot I said to you this I support the
principal and the goal okay but then I just don't impress well no no but the point was it's not represented as the task force And that's what Representative Malone presented it as, and that's what everybody here presented it as. And if it's a task force, I support it. But before we go and take on this problem, let us have the problem identified. Let us have some statistics with it.
Let us have some costs put to it. And let us have a time. Let us deal with staff. When you set up the math and science school, Representative Elliott, the math and science school was well-developed. You had a facility, you had a location, you knew what the staff would be, you know what kind of budget it would have, and you know where the students would come from. And if we're going to do this, it's a lower-end math and science school, but it's something that has to be developed in the same way. Representative
Representative Stephen Meeks
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Meeks, you're recognized. Representative Walker, I appreciate your passion and being a leader in the community.
My question is, we realize that the black population of Arkansas, you said, was about 15 percent, correct? Yes. Would you agree, though, that there are certain areas of the state that have a majority of blacks in the community? Yes, that's always been the case. So wouldn't there be a possibility, and let me ask you this question, are there some schools right now that have a majority of blacks in
Representative John W. Walker
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their population? Well, here's what I'm saying. The state is under an obligation not to create any more schools, and these would not be local community schools.
schools, you have black communities and you have white communities, even along the delta. Right. But see, this is a free choice school. Correct. But the point is the criteria have not been established for admission. The study commission is to set forth what the criteria are, and that's on page two. Correct. And one criterion is that the students already be in the criminal justice system. So we know what those statistics are, Representative Meeks. Right. We know that they are largely African American, and here's what I'm saying to you.
We know that they're largely African American in the Delta, but we know also that they're largely Hispanic in the northwest part of the state, and they are mixed around Fort Smith. So then would you prefer that
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we bus people from the northwest part of the state to the southwest
Representative John W. Walker
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part of the state so that we have a... This isn't about busing. There's no transportation component in here. But now, if you're talking about a regional school, there is also the cost factor of transportation. How are they going to get there?
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And that's what I believe that this commission will actually find out.
I think that over the next year that you will have this commission who will make that determination. To me, there is no reason for us to put this in an interim study. The purpose of this commission is to do exactly what you want to do in an interim study. And I think that if we go ahead and do this commission and set it up, that we can get to and to help our students who are in need a year quicker. Well,
Representative John W. Walker
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now, here's what you're saying. You're saying basically that this group can do the study and then they can implement the project.
And that's not the way things are done. What you do is you study a thing first and then you weigh the pros and cons. And then after you weigh the pros and cons,
Representative Stephen Meeks
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you make some judgments about which direction you'll take. Right, and if you'll notice in the bill here, it talks about the fact that they have to report back to us at least one time each quarter so that we will still have legislative oversight as they go along. If you look on page 2, line 17, beginning on October 1, 2011, this commission must provide us status reports to the children and youth at least one time each quarter.
So I believe that we will have sufficient enough oversight on this commission to be able to make sure that they are doing the job that is set out in this bill. Your concern
Representative John W. Walker
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for these youth is commendable. I wish it were otherwise reflected by recognizing that it takes more money to address these problems instead of cutting budgets. But that's neither here nor there. If it's a study commission, let me make it clear. If it's a study commission, that's one thing. Let it be a study commission. But not an implementation commission, and we are not at the point where it should be implemented or can be implemented
Representative Williams you're recognized Representative Deffenball you're recognized
Representative Gary Deffenbaugh
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Mr. Walker we serve on a couple committees together and I have great respect for your knowledge. I really do I got a couple questions for you real quick and then But I've got to tell you, I take offense when we just shoot off the top of our head. Failing public schools, that bothers me.
So I'm going to defend them. Just to just pop that off, I've heard you say over and over, if we're going to make any accusation, we need to have somebody here to represent them. That's offensive to me. Because I was part of that system. But the other thing is, I've heard you say over and over again, that we need to enact legislation to try to help keep people out of prison if we can.
This appears that it does that, but now you're on the opposite side of the coin. I just don't get you. And the third thing is, I don't seem different. You said 4% of the population in Oregon is black or minority, and what do we say, 15% here? I don't even know that that's even relevant, but I guess my biggest question, why would you one day for keeping them out of prison
and then when somebody brings some legislation to help do what you want, then you're against it. I respect you, but I'm just confused. Well, thank you, and I respect
Representative John W. Walker
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you, too, Mr. Deffenbach, but let me say this. The question of failing public schools is pursuant to an objective standard, and it's not a standard that I set. It's a standard that's universally agreed upon. The reason that you all set up charter schools or allowed for charter schools is because
public schools were generally regarded as failing in certain places, such as Pulaski County and in the Delta. So it's not my concept that they are failing, and there is also a national report card that schools are generally failing, public schools largely. So now in terms of creating schools, we want to make sure that we don't replicate the problems of the present and carry them into the future. And in order to deal with this population, which is already burdened, they're burdened
because they've already been labeled as failures. You want to make sure that you have something that works, and you want to study it before you go and jump into something. And we're talking about keeping kids out of prison. These kids are already in the prison pipeline. Now, what we want to do is make sure that that pipeline does not open and put them into the prison system. One way you do it is by thoughtfully approaching the question of who you put into the system,
how you construct a curriculum for them, what you do with them while they're there, how you get them to and from school, and what the cost is. Now, you certainly, if it's going to cost a million dollars a student, you don't do it. Everybody would say that. If it's $100,000 per student, I believe you don't do it. Right now, we don't know what it's going to be, But we do know it's going to be more than what it costs to educate a public school child. So we need to know what that is and to see if that alternative that's being presented by this bill is the best way for approaching the problem.
Now, all I'm saying to you is that with my passion for good education, I want to make sure that we do things intelligently and we don't repeat the problems of the past. And that what we do as we look at these children, I said lawsuits don't help. Lawsuits only keep things more or less at the status quo, and the court sets out what your rights are. But implementing those rights is another thing that we have to do ourselves. We can do more as legislators to change the way things are than a court could ever do.
And I'm suggesting to you that you study it sensitively, and you don't hastily rush into it. I mean, we at this legislature, we come here and we do what our constituents want, that we want a bill to do something. we enacted. But right now, this isn't about what a particular constituent wants. This is what the state needs. This is what the nation needs. And we're setting up a model not just one place, but for the nation maybe, but certainly for other places within the state of Arkansas, because if we can make something work, then
it can be made to work not only in East Arkansas, but in Central Arkansas and in North Arkansas as well. And I'm asking you to think about it in those terms. Instead of who I am and what I say, the point is do you make judgments on the basis of things that are objective, and do you make them long-term, and do you have a cost-benefit analysis before you undertake them? That should be your approach in doing business. All of you business people here, a number of you came here on business concept.
Those are the kinds of principles you utilize in your businesses, meaning it should not be anything other than a business approach to this as well because we are trying to cut down cost on prison and you cut down cost on prisons by being thoughtful and useful thoughtful in what you do representative summers you're
Representative Tim Summers
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recognized I'm sure I move for immediate
consideration we have a motion of immediate consideration it's a non debatable motion all in favor say aye any opposed no motion carries
What is the will of the committee on the Senate bill? Do I hear him? I'm sorry. Representative Benedict has a motion due pass. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? No. No. Motion carries and the bill passes. I'd like a roll call. There has to be two hands for a roll call. There were two. I didn't see it. Okay. Two hands for a roll call. There were two no's. There's a second. I have to have two
Representative John W. Walker
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hands for roll call there's a second okay man and he is okay
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representative Gaskell representative Gaskell representative Somers representative Williams Rep. Jesse Williams. Representative Dickinson.
Rep. Benedict? Rep. Deffenbaugh. Rep. Harris. Rep. Hammer. Representative Hammer,
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Representative Meeks, Representative Hickerson,
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Representative Sanders, Representative Walker, Representative Stubblefield,
Representative Elliot Representative Mock Representative Hubbard Representative Hubbard Representative Cozart Thank you.
The motion carries and the bill passes. In all due
Representative John W. Walker
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respect, the motion has to – in order for it to carry, it has to have 10 votes. Point of order. It's a majority. It's a majority. No, it's 10 votes. Okay. That's present. On a roll call, a point of order, it is 10 votes, and it's simply a majority.
Point of order, the chair can count. However you look at it, point of order, the chair cannot count to 10. That's what I thought. She's going
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to make a phone call, but I believe it. there's no vote you know what where'd she go
you have to have 11 so it does fail off one vote and I apologize I was going with the majority of the quorum but
it has to be 11 Madam Chair Can I make a motion,
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then, if the sponsor of the bill would like that we go ahead and put this in the interim study? I would
Representative Stephen Meeks
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move that it be – Oh, it is – okay. I'm sorry. I just want to make sure – I would
Representative John W. Walker
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move that it be put in interim study. Is
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it possible to meet with the agency? That has to be done.
You can't do that.
bill. All right. the sponsor has
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meet again to consider this? You can step away. This is a Senate bill. This is just... Representative Woods,
Committee, we're going to suspend the rules and bring a resolution up off the deferred list. Representative Woods and Representative Barnett, you're recognized to present House Resolution 1033.
Representative Gary Stubblefield
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Thank you, Madam Chair. There's an amendment
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going out to the committee right now. Representative Woods,
ahead and explain the amendment.
Representative Gary Stubblefield
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Sure. Thank you, Madam Chair and committee members. I filed a resolution for House Bill 1033 for a good friend of mine, Nolan Richardson, and there's a schedule conflict, and we're going to probably do something during the fiscal session for him. So I've been approached by other House members that thought that it was great news I'm not going to be using the resolution because there's another resolution that other members would like to run, which Representative Barnett could speak on.
But it's just that we're basically getting a resolution that's already been filed and replacing it with a different subject matter. and it's in regards to the country of Turkey and how wonderful they've been to our delegation when we take our business to their country and we learn more about their government and our establishing alliance and a friendship with them. So that's what the amendment does, and I'd appreciate a good vote on the amendment.
Members, you've heard an explanation of the amendment. do I hear a what's the will of the committee? Representative Doublefield you're recognized we have a motion due passed. Is there anyone in the audience who would like to speak for the amendment against the amendment seeing that in all in favor say aye any opposed no motion carries your amendment is adopted you're now recognized to explain house resolution 1033 as amended
Representative Gary Stubblefield
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Thank you, Madam Chair. I might let Representative Barnett just say a few words because he has a good relationship with some of the people from the country of Turkey. And I'll just hand it over to
Representative Barnett at this time. Representative Barnett, you're recognized. Thank you, Madam Chairman, and thank you, committee. The resolution is really pretty self-explanatory, pretty simple. We're just trying to – should have done this earlier in the session, didn't get it done. But there are several people that have been involved in a relationship with the Turkish Council.
And if you'll look there on the first line, you'll see about seven or eight people that have been very involved. And this is just a simple resolution that kind of stands on its own merit. If you have any questions, I'll be glad to discuss it. But it's just a real simple resolution trying to recognize our relationship with the Turkish Council.
Representative Hickerson, you're recognized. Yes.
Representative Mary P. "Prissy" Hickerson
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Representative Barnett, did you become extremely ill while you were in Turkey?
I did. Well, Representative Barnett, did they take really good care
of you? I did just fine. Yes, ma'am. Thank you. I'm glad you're concerned about that. MR. One
Representative Mary P. "Prissy" Hickerson
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more question. Well, Representative Barnett, did the other members of the delegation even come and see you? MR. They did, but it was only
for a short moment. There was not a whole lot of empathy, I'm afraid. I'm sorry. MS. Thank you. MS. Follow-up question
on that. Is that because we were in a foreign country and some were afraid they would contact something
while you were in the hospital, but did come anyway and
say hello? MR. appreciate the good gesture that that you came in with rubber gloves on that was awful nice of you kicking and screaming I
came okay seeing no other questions what's the will of the committee we have a motion you pass by representative Summers is there anyone in the audience to speak for it against it seeing then all in favor say aye any opposed no motion carries and your house
resolution passes thank you committee that ends our business
for today but I want to let you know there is a possibility that we will be meeting during recess so that's going to be the two-hour notice thank you very much
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Speaker 20
Speaker 21
Speaker 23
Speaker 26
Representative Stephen Meeks
Unverified
Speaker 11
Speaker 38
Speaker 44
Representative Billy W. Gaskill
Unverified
Representative Gary Deffenbaugh
Unverified
Speaker 25
Speaker 22
Representative Efrem Elliott
Unverified
Chair
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Representative Gary Stubblefield
Unverified
Speaker 83
Speaker 88
Speaker 91
Representative John W. Walker
Unverified
Speaker 130
Speaker 135
Speaker 14
Speaker 133
Speaker 114
Speaker 141
Representative Mary P. "Prissy" Hickerson
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Representative Lori Benedict
Unverified
Speaker 19
Speaker 182
Speaker 185
Speaker 192
Speaker 178
Speaker 206
Speaker 155
Speaker 210
Speaker 211
Speaker 188
Speaker 219
Speaker 84
Representative Jonathan Barnett Chair
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