Arkansas Legislative Council (ALC)

For the blessed this day were thankful for the updated serve people saying of arkansas we pray that will we do it say here will be respectful and in an in in your light you're all you say is you be with the people that the tornadoes damage over in garland county and the storm last night we just prayed that that you he'll restore their lives that you be with this throughout this meeting god guard and directors forgive as far c n n's crashed in pre immediate man. Thank you jean members I could get a motion for approval of the minutes and motion they are second auto's in favor say I posed as have it with that will move on to the presentation of the february two thousand twenty four revenue report doctor server. The. If you want to introduce yourself and you're recognizing it important thank you mister chairman carl silver with the bureau and their his present february twenty twenty four revenue report as you see on page number one we have five thousand four hundred and eleven million dollars for adjusted general revenues collected they have to be taken off some of the claims it runs the pay and collect a shacks and so on that is a decline of a one hundred and thirteen million dollars for last year as as we move forward to in that general revenue available for distribution we have four thousand four hundred in ninety million dollars this is a decline of three hundred and twenty three million dollars was six twenty percent for last year and as this there they are going to always keep we keep in track with some of the major changes you're going to see interviewed compacts refunds is similar to what's going on the united states right now at one point seven percent decline in a refined year to date that's a different one did a number of days so last year the tax day started january twenty third this year straight gender twenty nine so we have less days but as we're looking today seems like the debt returns are being a faster fashion rate have more returns going on when I think about the number of days as I said the us and one point seven percent decline when you look at their just day to day we'll have less days and they are considered one percent. As we move forward to page number two. You see here the accumulative deviation from the fee net general revenue available for distribution forecasts at ten million dollars that is based on the update that they have provided february first twenty twenty four as we moved to page number three. Number four are you going to see total general revenues and s page five and beyond we're going to see the special revenues as no major changes there are then there wants to have stayed about the app happy to respond to any further questions thank you. Sender you recommend. Thank you so so we're seeing some declines is that in. Income tax or is that in sales and use tax so i'm just talking about refunds when i'll talk about the declines we're talking about that their refunds they have come in in from january twenty ninth and for this state of arkansas up to march seven and for the united states was march third so this is more difference on the number of days there as we move to grocery sea taxes is still positive it has declined in the last month but that is being normal throughout the united states gender it has been slow down february has been a. Rebound buyer is still positive there on the sales receipt. See enough other questions remembers are often will move to. The next item on the agenda which is the report from the executive subcommittee sender rice you're recognized they must chair the executive circle maybe met on thursday march fourteenth and reviewed and approved an emergency room for dfa office at the driver services the review and approval of the merchant rule the effective opponent of german today's AOC meeting the subject may be approved emotion to terminate the two existing contract between blar and the signal group and a prover new contract with siegel for health benefits actually in consulting services the subcommittee also approved a request by the house received funds for legislative committee room upgrades and heard a presentation contarting its study on the education of facilities property insurance material moved adopt this report as proper motion but we've got some questions. Um. The. Sir chess will do you have a question or do you have a motion. Okay so chest field recognize you first years may I ask mister hutson to completely. The. Yes thank you sector huts and viewer. The. Yeah. You would introduce yourself for the record and search just field you recognize free question jim huts and sector DFA good morning sooner chest field good morning and thank you mister chair mr hudson I understand that there is an emergency which is the reason that reliminating the exam marriage licenses could you tell me what their emergency is now marriage licenses on drivers license mail so how many people have been hurt by the x on the driver's license well that's not the standard for emergency I don't have a number for you in terms of the number of people who may have been her we don't keep that date at the fna. The concern about emergency is that we have a driver's license. There's relative on by law enforcement individuals in order to be able to know who they're interacting with that is inaccurate and so there is a potential for a safety issue involving a law enforcement officer and also involving the individual they may be taking into custody to understand who they're dealing with so we're dealing with potentiality. Potential certainly rather than reality. Our potentiality is is very real too that if there is a threat then we won't make sure they were given law enforcement the tools they need nor to be able to avoid that so how many law enforcement officers have complained about the x on the driver's license you know in actually I think a good number law enforcement officers are unaware of the current practice so they have not complained the child have seen fit to say that this is an emergency but we have had conversations with law enforcement officers about the existing policy and whenever we have shared that information we've been met with alarm they were unaware of that was the case how long has the experience on the driver's license for the exact intelligent how long on that up the original policy change occurred in two thousand ten that originally we are what. Fourteen years later and we now think it's an emergency in again there there are two different components to this existing policy that was rescended one component was originally adopted in two thousand ten the individual could come into a review of office and change their identified gender from mail to female or vice versa. Quote no questions asked him without any required documentation. Subsequently and i'm not sure what year this was the policy was further amended that practice was to allow an individual to designate an ex we don't know when that occurred so as I was thinking about this I thought about the man the f which are acceptable and I can't help the safe that if they're put together in the wrong combination they could become a majority of that but because more consternation than an x wood and so I am very very much concerned because it seems to me that the end effect is cruelty it's unnecessary and it's unworried of us and so I just wanted to say that for the record and to make sure that I am recorded as a no on this rule thank you thank you ma'am. Search for turkey you recognize. English chair i'd like to make a says to motion. That motion is to adopt the executive subcommittee report but to pull out the portion of the report regarding the review and approval of the dfna office of driver services emergency role for separate consideration. Best proper motion have said. The. Just to explain the motion quickly the course agrees everything senator chesterfield just said but the question for this body in the executive subcommittee and all this week is not the determined whether we like this policy or night. Is the determined whether it's an emergency or not. And under the wall it's only an emergency if there is peril to the public health safety or welfare. It doesn't qualify as an emergency if there's a lack of clarity in the law or if you don't like the way the agency promulgated the policy in the first place or even if you like what the fna is doing right now that does not make it an emergency the only emergency is if there's a peril to the public health safety your welfare and furthermore that peril has to be imminent. And a center just feel just pointed out we've had this policy for fourteen years and we cannot sight one example of harm that has occurred in a fourteen year period. And the role of this body today is is to remove the opportunity for the public to comment on a permanent rule at least when we pass a law with an emergency clause in a session the public still has an opportunity to comment the committee hearing but they don't have that opportunity when we pass an emergency rule. And it's a really a poor reflection of this body and my judgement when we just pass through on an emergency basis something that is on its face plainly not an emergency so for that reason I had the motion that we we separate that out that portion of for a separate consideration so members we have motion on floor sector hunts and your excuse i'll go through discussion on emotion no more questions to the agency representing my call you recognize for discussion on emotion thank you mister chair I just want to echo what's senator tucker said about the motion and also about what senator chesterfield said but we had quite a long discussion yesterday about the person asked over an over for super specific incidents in the last thirteen or fourteen years as we've had this in as far as I could tell there were no specific incidents or dangerous that have happened up to this point and so the potential for those to happen I mean there's potentials for everything in the world but I just don't think that that was proven yesterday that this rises to the level of an emergency and we talked about five hundred and sixteen people that this certainly does affect but it was also mentioned that there are others out there that this does affect and I know often this is mentioned as being common sense it's also sometimes mentioned as nonsense but to these folks that this matters to it is neither one of those things it is truly important to them as a person into their lives so as I certainly support this motion for a for a separate vote because of all the reasons above thank you. Represent fight it recognized for discussion on motivating mr chair this is a question for the chair are perhaps some of the other members I don't remember this body weighing in when this was changed in twenty ten to put the x on does anyone else have such a memory or was it done as I have read without any input from this body it was testified your stand committee that was done as policy which means it was not reviewed are reported to this body in any former fresh thank you mister chair so with that member see enough for discussion all those in favor of substitute most into pull out the emergency room for a separate vote say all the suppose knows have it with that will go to the primary emotion. To accept the full report on his in favor say all those pose have it report is adopted that members will move on to the administrative rules community sender hammer. You are recognized report thank you to share the administrative rules of committee met on thursday march fourteenth the subcommittee approved the arts of public defender commission's request for the expedited repeal of rules not meeting definition rule and dark soda ministry procedures act pursuant to act sixty five at twenty twenty one pursued to act five ninety five at twenty twenty one to sub committee received an agency in person update on outstanding rural making from the twenty twenty one regular session filed written updates related to the twenty twenty three regular session and granted one agency's request for exclusion from act five ninety five reporting requirements so committee also accepted the recommendation by group two agencies concerning extension rules percent to act seven eighty one of twenty thousand two thousand seventeen and act sixty five of twenty twenty one one rule was not considered after being held by joint committee on public retirement social security programs and all of the rules were reviewed in approved as noted in the report and I moved for the adoption of the report miss chairman does propromotion have second have second older survivors they are all both as have it would that will move on to the employee benefits division representative pillarton thank you chair the employed bit of a division oversight committee met on wednesday march thirteenth twenty twenty four the so committee heard the final diabetes management program study report and recommend recommendations from the second group I move for adoption of this report. As part of motion have second oldest versa post as have it move on to the game fish they police subcommittee representative miller. Thank you mister chair the game and first stately subcommittee met monday to hear testimony regarding possession and open carrier the subcommittee made a motion to further study argues our code fifteen seven days seventy three dash one o three and the motion passed by voice vote I made the following comments regarding the upcoming meetings first fall regarding public comment there will be an opportunity for the public to provide comments to the subcommittee on each of the topics we take up in the study there will be a link on the general assembly website for public comments on up and there will be a sign up sheet at the committee meeting only those members of the public who have signed up in one of those two ways before the beginning of the meeting will be allowed to come forward and present her comments to the subcommittee member participation I want to invite and encourage all members of the journal assembly to attend these meetings and participate as we work towards recommendations to present to the legislative council next year although. Only members of the sub committee will be permitted to make motions and vote on the recommendations during this phase we welcome input from all members of the journal assembly our next meeting will be march twenty first that two PM in this room and we will begin hearing recommendations regarding possession and open carrier far arms I move adoption report. The. The. Yeah. Sure just feel you have a question he has just a quick question message you could you tell me at what point do non committee members make motions never never okay I just thought I was ok. Yeah. That's probably motion to have a second second older the barriers they are all both have it with that center english and recognize give the report. Thank you the occupational licensing review subcommittee met on thursday to receive reports on occupation or authorizations. From the following entities the architects state board of dispensing options are control state board of barber examiners and the arkansas department of hill I move the option of. As proper motion is I have second singer urban auto's favorite they are all posted as have it with that we move on to the performance evaluation and expenditure review representative cavinal you recognize thank you mister chair the peer subcommittee met on tuesday march the twelfth the subcommittee received reports reviewed request and approved the following various temporary appropriations american resq plan act appropriation infrastructure investment and jobs act appropriation a realication of resources and restricted reserve fund transfers and move for adoption of the report. Yeah. That's probably motion and I have second have second others in favor sa i'll pose members I think it motion passes. I think this point out inform you that we will have a suspension of the rules motion and a submit agenda on peer it's not ready yet as soon as it's ready will go back to representative cabin also if that will keep moving through the agenda so representative eaves your recognizing is a review. Thank you mister chairman the review subcommittee met on tuesday and reviewed methods of finance alternative construction projects. Discretionary grants and services contracts and mower for you a montessella was held for a correction on the source of funds for this project the funding has been corrected to unrestricted ag settlement funds. In addition to contract for the department of military was reviewed and recommended for ratification another contract for the department of corrections was presented for ratification however after after questioning the department of corrections board chairman requested the contract be pulled to allow for an internal investigation and resubmission. As conditioned that request for withdrawal the corrections department will provide the sub committee with their findings and answers to members questions and will communicate with bl or throughout the investigation process and provide all documents the department is examining as a part of its investigation the subcommittee also requested the vendor which is the attorney they hired be present when the findings of the investigation are presented to the alc review subcommittee the whole has been released for the method of finance for UA m and I move adoption of the report including the previously held mof senators mainly recognize for question our motion thank you mister chairman and in really you know this is not really pulling hang out of the report but I do have a motion and it's really based on some of the uh things that have read in the in the paper in some of the uh I guess statements made by individuals that been involved even outside of our review meeting clearly we all recognize there are some issues with the contract between the board of corrections or department correct is how many one of you it and the attorney and there's questions about how even the attorney came about this questions about what that found what what happened between the initial contract that was sent for signature and the one that was actually submitted. And again I think if you read the statements from all the parties involved there is a ton of confusions and I appreciate in respect that they're willing to do an internal evaluation in and try to get understanding of what happened but the think the fact that they're having to do that requires us to take some action and so again I think you're going to innovate two issues which means that two separate committees should probably be involved in this discussion at first is the creation of the contract itself in its attempted ratification in our committee I think there's questions how that contract came to be it's not much different than contracts that we've had in his previously sent to audit are for much lesser amounts in that that had been any under investigation for quite some time now when we have an individual that was hired without a conversation amongst the board that was the best I can tell in even representation from the board the recommendation of one board member you had then you know the back and forth in the fact that there was really no board approval for the contract that was ultimately you know initially signed and then in ultimately signed none of that was approved and done correctly and make that appearance and so with it i'd make a motion that first that we see and page thirteen adam twenty one okay sorry page fifteen item nine to add it prefer the review. Second in the second part of emotion is this now give you a little more context. Clearly in the discussion there are issues with how the board operates and how that relates back to the department of corrections clearly protocols were passed individuals were made to are able to unilaterally make significant decisions over significant amounts of money were significant impact on this day I believe that JPR is the proper venue for those taps of issues to be reviewed and that in so with that I have again two parts in the motion first is at to refer the contract and item page are item. Would you say i'm sorry fifteen page fifteen item nine to the audit committee for it for the review and also assume that same items in JPR for a review of the functions of the board with how to be happy to take any questions sender can you include the rest of the report in your motion please. And then our pattern that I moved for final adoption of the report. That's proposing have second in discussion on said motion. See a nine dollars if they receive all those as have it. Thank you sooner this may but I will move on to the personnel subcommitting representative barrier you're recognized thank you chairman world law the personal committee met wednesday mark thirteenth and room a one thirteen review the items listed the report as items want to twelve the review included the suspension of the rules to take up two supplemental items as a identified in the report I would be happy to take any questions and move for adoption of the reported properties to proper motion to have second second oldest if I was a posed as have it with that will move to adam g. Um and I will recognize center rice for a point of personal privilege. Thank you members you should have and i'm told you did what you've looked your mail or not the email was set out on the arkansas broadband map that we've been waiting on it's quite detail as loud and information on it and as you know any contest do that can be made but I was on o two to be sure you've looked at your email allies center english did you have anything else to add do they at. I. Go ahead no I accept the you know we are about to go into this process where we will be receiving somewhere in a above a billion dollars for internet across the state and so it's really important that all of the legislators I don't know what's going on in their own community take a look at them out there is an opportunity to go on on their online thing that they have a discussion about what the challenge process would look like this takes a while but I think it's important for all of us to find out as much as we can go on their website look at the the map and let's get ourselves involved because it's really important thank you thank you in and members that I believe that was day before yesterday when you looked your email it's registered broadband not our concern that good many came out thank you email from the house or the senate so and just will make you aware that thank you mister chair. Thank you members who have followed me along with a move kind of fast do this h four is the department of energy and environment is the use tire program report we have a letter in your pocket from public health where it was referred to I just need a motion to review. I have motion. And your second have second older the various they are all posed as have it with that will move on to adam six with prestation and report from DHS on assisted livings. Secretary button. The. Madam sector if you would introduce yourself and your recognized give report yes good morning christian putting them secretary department of human services as directed by section fifteen about thirteen of two thousand twenty two i'm appearing to report the architect legislative council the status of our efforts to increase reimbursement rates under the living choices assisted living waiver dhs as continuing work necessary to implement act one ninety eight twenty twenty three which authorizes dhs to establish cost reporting for medicaid funded assisted living facilities and as you all know we've completed our first cycle of that mirrors and start for provided a draft report for review by all stake holders prior to completion of the final version on january sixteenth twenty twenty four dh received the rate study report from myers and stuff for and shared this information to all providers the rate say report also was presented to alc hospital and medicaid study subcommittee on february seventh additionally the cost report analysis was posted for public comment with that period ending on february sixteenth which was last alcee meeting DHS has compiled all the comments and posted responses as of march fourth twenty twenty four and those responses are a linked in the letter that you all received in your packets today you can find those online further in october twenty twenty three d has petitioned cms for approval to implement current appendix key rates in use for alpha imbursements as the permanent rates for the duration of the living choices waiver these rates are eighty one fifty nine for urban facilities and eighty five sixty seven for rural. Formal cms approval of these rates was received on january twenty fourth with an effective date of march first dhs now plans to petition CMS for approval to implement the new rate of eighty six seventy three which represents the highest resulting rate from the rate study report that was completed in addition dhs will also engage providers to discuss programmatic and policy change requests submitted during public comment. Further we're also updating the living choices provider manual to reflect the cost reporting requirements in act one ninety eight and these changes have been submitted for internal review and we anticipate submitting them to alc very soon. We're also continuing our broadbased review of the entire medicate system to assess options for longterm sustainability of the medicaid program assisted living payment rates and programmatic structure are part of this review in your cost reporting from medicaid funded assisted living facilities will now be completed on an annual basis with determinations presented to lc when they're completed that concludes my report. Represent flight fight you recognize where question thank you mister chair good morning good morning do you plan to ask for these rates to be retroactive to july for a twenty twenty three because the data is all a prior to that date I do not believe the waivers i'm gonna ask you at me and to step up with the timing of that i'm not sure about the retroactive for wavers but we can answer that. Yeah. Good morning jean at me and medicaid director man there will not be a retroactive eligibility piece to these rates under a nineteen fifteen c waiver the date that they are approved as the date they are effective which is one of the reasons we did add an inflation factor going through the year so when this estate plan change we do have the ability to be retro active to the beginning of the quarter of when we file that state plan amendment we don't have that flexibility with a waiver. All right thank you for that my I ask another question is anyone else in the ok thank you my other question is we had a facility close this month in st francis county do you know what happened to the people that no longer had the lapping choices option where they weren't what up flexibility they had in their living arrangements I particularly concerned about the low end common minorities that were affected by the app. Guessman I do know that they had new placement I don't know specifics but I can get those for you that was due to a sale that had been pending since august so we did try to work with them on placements i'm looking at other staff to see if they have any of the details cause I don't have the specifics we can get you those we will get you the specific somewhere they were transferred to but every individual was moved to a different location just report that information to staff we will do that. Thank you i'm very concerned about theirs I as you know we had this ready to go a year ago and it's been in lambo since and I still am very concerned that we're going to be having facilities close and our people are going to be having fewer choices and that that could sort of be greatly thank you thank you. Yeah. Thank you. Sender over and you recommend just just quickly their eighty six and seventy three is that for both urban and rule or just yes we're going to one rate for both types of facilities both urban and rural and just made you just internally made that decision we did and that was the average rate that came back from the cost study report analysis was that and it is the highest rate that came back the highest recommended rate I alright thank you soon hammer you're recommended thank you shared continuing on that line of thought if the original concept was that it is less expensive in the urban but more expensive in the rural and appreciate factoring her with the higher of the two numbers why would you not factor that in that it would cost more continued to cost more in the road rate. Yeah. Because it seems like now the urban data the cost study showed it was cheaper operate in the urban they're going to they're actually going to receive cover bonus whereas the other ones are just going to be reimbursed to the cost could use talk through that rate now yes I will try to answer your questions when doing the cost report in previous years I think all the way back to twenty fifteen there were four tiers for this rate it was then collapsed into one rate in during the pandemic it was then divided back out into two rates urban and rural and then during the cost reports and the discussion of inflation factors and access fees last year's report I don't believe broke it out urban in rural I would have to go back to confirm that we did we chose to collapse it into one rate for simplicity it was night trying to penalize anyone and we were using everyone's cost this was the first time that we had almost a hundred percent participation in the cost report also so we had a direct reflection of their expenses do you plan on requesting any add on costs to the cms cm CMS rate or this is this is the final we do not plan to ask for add on costs we are going to continue conversations with providers about programmatic and policy changes that were identified during the cost study as well as considerations for inclusion in how we work with our alpha providers okay then one other question to representative fights request that's going to come up to the chairs to the committee when you track where the residents from the facility that closed when will you also do a study of the cost that follows themselves for example they ended up going to a nursing home where they ended up going to in home your facility can we track what the ongoing cost is versus had they've been allowed to stay at the facility where they were is that doable or not. The. Indeed i'll get back to you at because I don't I don't know other details I would have to see where they went and how they how we would track them but it would be a manual report tracking beneficiary you having thirty day notices has of now from any other providers thank you. Sector pattern with discussions in the past can you assure me and the committee should you have a substantial number of beds. That. Are affected by closures. That you have policy and phones in place to deal with those immediately and do I have to wait to come back to this yesterday we can assure you of that thank you is it. To follow up on center raised question is it not true that the assistant live in our part of the. My mind just went blake the name of that when the age when when nurse known closes what's that called my mind yes assist limit is involved in the receivership for incorrect yes so they can be involved in in a receivership action if we need to to exercise that and I also think you're referring to civil money penalties which I don't i'm not clear on that. Because that is for nursing himself but I can clarify if it's just a living facilities I went back and read that language and I think they're included in both but but please check on them to make sure that we're prepared for that as we go through these one these times. So with that thank you for your report members before he goes the last item on the gender for action i'm going to recognize syndrome key for a moment of personal privilege. Famous chair as many of you know tornado came through parts of garland counting hotsprings village last night and though there's still a lot of people across state that a are without power than a few just keep the people we were very blessed that no one was injured or killed and if you would just keep the people in those areas that lost their personal property in the cruze that are working so diligently to clean it up if you'd keep them in your prayers we would greatly appreciate it thank you mister chair. Thank you center and members of you would let's take a moment of silence for the for the folks that were affected by the storm last night. Thank you so if that will go back to peer chair representative cabinet you recognize for your most yes thank you mister chair i'd like to make a motion to spend rules so we can hear the supplemental calendar it just proper motion to have second holders in favor of the post as have it. With that central representative you have request yes mister chair aberdeen quest that df please come down to the table and explain our supplemental agenda to us all right sector hudson you and your team or recognized. The. I love the look on that face my wife will tell you I wake up with his look jim adds a sector DFA so this is a request for seven million dollars in our performance that would be awarded to the department of our culture that would be part of a package the help assist in the rebuilding of the waste war treatment facility was destroyed and winder in the tornadoe year ago. Thank you. See no other questions and your hester thank you thank you members at and I appreciate a center call will patience over the past years we've worked on this but I moved for final approval authority to be given to the chairs of peer and a lc for seven million dollar arpa transfer to the department of agriculture for the city of win wastewater facility. Nice proper motion and second members I think. I'll take privilege and explain this there are some questions over how this money affects the female money that comes in for this project. And because of those questions this final authorities being given to make sure that we do not mess up there was family phones so that is a reason we're doing it this way instead of a final approval today so if that although is a favorite sale post oh set representative shepherd before I call it. Speakers ever it's already done you're going to be faster you're gonna have to look fast motion passes. So I guess this is a statement now because it's already happened but it's my understanding that the definite is going to work to try to ensure that the terms of that if there is any kind of duplication of funding from other sources that there can be a repayment to the state so that we can maximise those resources and I just wanted to to make the members aware of that and also confirm that that that is correct yes or will do that. Thank you miss speaker with that will move on to item team t and b. Is there any. Representative of cabinet if if we could get the division information services come down I have a few questions is anyone here from ts dias. J hard interim director of dias. Less like a scan secretary of transformation insurance services james court while cfo for a tss represent of your recognized thank you mister chair i'm over here so thank you for coming the rates that are being increased as that because of inflation or for another reason yes some of it is due to inflation but also some of it is just to increase an expense to provide enhanced cyber security services to the state network. Okay. When we're providing these additional services in the consolidation of the services that you providing are we saving money by the consolidation yes man we are because we use the buying power of the entire state to provide these services and also we use the I have been processed award to the lowest cost of provider ok do we have in the know how much that saving us when we're doing these consolidations no man we don't at this time. Can you get us report at some point because all through this transformation process that we've been doing for sale not started with the administration but the prior we've never been able to get an answer of how much we're actually saving so i'd really appreciate if we could get some type of number showing what this consolidation is actually saving that should be a it'd be a good idea so we can actually tell our constituents while we're doing all this we actually are saving money yes ma'am and it'll you know what the arkansas initiative that's going right now with mackenzie that's one of their main objectives is to be able to provide that okay appreciate that could can continue mr chair okay the other question I have is in the budget that was proposed I think there was about a one point seven increase over all in the budget so did that increase include this increase so the one point seven budget that was presented to us last week did it incorporate these rate changes representative would you like a mister to come the table as the budget director for a state yes sir thank you. And. It just happens to be one more chair there rubber breakdfa it's not an easy question it's not all GR one point seven six's grnats that was in the rsa there are a lot more avenues that could it could be paid from federal could be special revenues could be other other items I will tell you just to be transparent I think community corrections will have a problem and we may have to help them out with that there are increase was quite a bit also there a couple of smaller entities that will have to help out but for the most part agency should be able to handle it but most of most of this will not be great but most of it will be with a federal revenue special revenues and in a and others okay so reading them between the lines what you just say it was not included in the budget that was presented to us last month that's right yeah I just want to make sure it's clear that this entire four million what it whatever the final number was and that that is not a hit on that one point seven six I just want to make sure that there's a portion of it that will be coming out of gr but that portion that was coming out of GR for this was not included in the budget that was presented to us last week is that correct or not that is true okay my net leads to the next question why was that if we know this was come in how come it was not included we didn't know exactly what the number was going to be they've been working on this for for quite some time but as I said the most agencies where it shouldn't have a problem absorbing this I will point out that what DIS is done in the last four or five years have been lowering rates and so the actual cost for it services if you look at it over that period of time it's still going to be less than they've been cutting rates bone by several million dollars a year. And so now it's it's time they've cuttle too far they're trying to give some of the recoup some of that so it was built into the budgets before it shouldn't be a problem now okay end so when we're looking at the appropriations that we did we're going to do for these in your staying multiple and can absorb it did we deep since they are moving are we moving any additional services is this no services removement or we're just actually increasing what we're charging. I believe they're increasing existing services so we're not adding in additional services to them that is correct we're not adding any okay all right alright thank you mr chair thank you. Sarahi recognize yes love that question you know just one thing you said other items would you explain that are you talking about restricted reserve accounts or what what would you be in reference to and if you say other items no so sometimes other other revenues such as central services constitutional officers find there are other avenues that this could be paid out of another and I just lumped those together but yeah again I like that question because anything that we see you know sensor i'm all for where we are with the one point seven six appalled the governor if we can actually do that but as we're doing as we're going through these next years if there's things that are recurring that are coming out of our restrictive reserve or other funds that were not in there then that unintentionally of misinterpretation of this budget so I appreciate the representative bringing that up and our hope by other members will be watching that closely as we move along thank you. Yes san hammer you just get back into sector hudson you're allowed to answer that yeah I just really stick that kind of pig back on center hickey's question and also represented cabinets. You know the the analysis that was done in terms of the the role that the f a had to approve these coming forward you was determined well enough the worst fish finding. And we do believe that existing GR is adequate within within the agency so it was taken into account except for the the notations that the robert may protect the community corrections one piece of this that I think has to get done particularly as we look at mckenzie but one of the things that the issues doing right now is identifying ways for that four million dollars to be reduced assistant avoided expense we have some inefficiencies and some unnecessary expenses that are currently in the bills that are going to the agencies they're being built for things that they're not using. Let me know they've signed up contracts for that we need to get out of and so there's an opportunity to fix some of this not on the revenue side below the expense of all inside and we've had meetings the agencies to identify what those opportunities are phone lines that can get discontinued I mean we're advertising I think in the white pages you know for the for telephone books and i'm not seeing one of those in a long time maybe you've seen them i've not seen them in in years things like that we need to be able to. To get out of help help reduce the expenses that's why make sure you all had that piece of information as well. Sent hammer you recognize. Thank you miss shared and jim to old dresses question some of the spin around here while those thought that embedded within the agencies or pockets of money that if they would have been flushed out you could have done things like what you're what you do and do you feel that where you are now the position the cheerion and with sectors that are in the position there in that they're going to be additional pockets or continue to be found because sometimes it seems like there's a deep embedded culture beyond the level of leadership that that just makes some of those things that you just mentioned hard to find so you feel pretty pretty good about the direction you're going in as far as continuing to have find these pockets within the agencies to be able to get this budget to the one point seven mention well my mom personal experience is that you know have obviously never. Spent more than what I should ride to me that's there's a tendency that's in the agencies when you get toward the end of the year in may. And you have access GR that is an opportunity to go order some things go order or office applies ago you engage in some purchases there otherwise not really necessary for that month's operations. And so I look at our historical pattern of the number of of the agencies you've had to come forward and say in the middle of the fiscal year you know I need a supplemental appropriation because I run out of money it it happens occasionally it doesn't happen across the board. It in that tells me their agencies do have adequate funds in hand. And I think we also need to understand a little bit more detail what that spending pattern is toward the end of the fiscal year the government has been very clear in her communications to the departments you know we should not be rushing to spend money in the year we all be turning that back southern the journal similar could make decisions about how that surplus is going get allocated thank you. Representative later thank you miss chairman there have been request i'm over here to come up with a savings report on the consolidation of the departments and I think that's great we need that but I think there also if you do a report like that there should be a cost of boyden's column that I know this you might not even be able to do this but what i'm saying is it we're avoiding a lot of costs by consolidating it departments so this is an example if we had ten departments that had the same base of system that they're using and the update came out and we had to buy ten. Updates versus one where you're using a central system you're that would be a cost of winds so I mean I think to be fair if we're going to look at what we're saving we need to look at what we're avoiding in cost increases they understand my question so if you're able to do that I would appreciate that column being in a report any report that you send to us. Yeah. Yes what I can provide that as well thank you represent kevin are you recognized thank you mr chair and I something secretary hurts and that you say I cannot made a light gonna mark it in how that goes so when you say that you believe that they had the funds available to sort of this additional cost well if we are believed that they had the funds we had to know that these rights were coming so what i'd like to know is how long after we approved the budget last week. Did you approve these rates. The. I believe I sound the letter. Friday of last week I think. Was that not the last day that we had budget hearings. And there was that was the day that we had last day we have budgetings yes correct so I guess. That's where my rub and all they say is my rob is not in the fact that you're having to ask for the increase my robe is that she didn't bothered included in what you were presenting to us for three days last week in your telling me you approved it on friday the last day hearing that is that my rob with this. So i'm just gonna be completely honest i'm a know on this thank you. The. How you see no further questions we have emotioned to review to have a second. I have second hour those in favor sa i'll post. I believe the nose have it so emotion is do not review so thank you and see a no arts for their items on the agenda we stand adjourned.