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Joint Budget Committee

March 20, 2025 ·9:00 AM ·Room A, MAC ·59:00
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Bill Title Sponsor Status
SB132 Act 535 · 5 mentions in transcript, agenda
Matched: “…tem C1. This is by Senator English. This is an amendment to Senate Bill 132. This is the approved claims Bill. This changes the source…”
AN ACT TO MAKE AN APPROPRIATION FOR THE PAYMENT OF APPROVED CLAIMS. Joint Budget Committee Notification that SB132 is now Act 535
SB93 Act 1010 · 5 mentions in transcript, agenda
Matched: “…item is item C3, that's on page 8 in your packet. This is a Senate Bill 93 Department of Education. This adds a new appropriation sect…”
AN ACT FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION APPROPRIATION FOR THE 2025-2026 FISCAL YEAR. Joint Budget Committee Notification that SB93 is now Act 1010
HB1200 Act 791 · 3 mentions in transcript, agenda
Matched: “…r packet. Governor's letter number 36. This is amendment to House Bill 1200 Department of Energy and Environment, Environmental quality…”
AN ACT FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY AND ENVIRONMENT - DIVISION OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY APPROPRIATION … Joint Budget Committee Notification that HB1200 is now Act 791
SB106 Act 898 · 3 mentions in transcript, agenda
Matched: “…o item C2. This is amendment by Representative Kavanaugh to Senate Bill 106, Department of Agriculture. This creates $136,000 increase…”
AN ACT FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE APPROPRIATION FOR THE 2025-2026 FISCAL YEAR. Joint Budget Committee Notification that SB106 is now Act 898
SB354 · 3 mentions in agenda, transcript
Matched: “…Division of Aging, Adult, and Behavioral Health Services 5. SB354 by Senator Dismang and Representative Jean – Department of…”
AN ACT FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS - DIVISION OF CORRECTION DEVELOPMENT AND ENHANCEMENT CAPITAL … J. Dismang Died on the Senate Budget Calendar Having Failed …
SB92 Act 777 · 3 mentions in agenda, transcript
Matched: “…ons-Division of Correction D. Governor’s Letters 1. GL#27 – SB92 – Department of Transformation and Shared Services-Arkansas…”
AN ACT FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSFORMATION AND SHARED SERVICES APPROPRIATION FOR THE 2025-2026 FISCAL … Joint Budget Committee Notification that SB92 is now Act 777
HB1202 Act 1006 · 2 mentions in transcript
Matched: “…met on Tuesday, March 18th. We adopted three amendments to House Bill 1202, which is the Department of Finance Administration, uh, dis…”
AN ACT FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE AND ADMINISTRATION - DISBURSING OFFICER APPROPRIATION FOR THE … Joint Budget Committee Notification that HB1202 is now Act 1006
HB1389 Act 547 · 2 mentions in transcript
Matched: “…d 3 bills out of special language back to budget committee, House Bill 1389, the”
AN ACT FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN SERVICES - DIVISION OF DEVELOPMENTAL DISABILITIES SERVICES - … Ladyman Notification that HB1389 is now Act 547
HB1577 · 2 mentions in transcript
Matched: “DHS division of Developmental disabilities, Jonesboro HCC House Bill 1577 Department of Commerce Insurance Department and House Bill…”
AN ACT FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE - STATE INSURANCE DEPARTMENT - GRANTS FOR PERPETUAL … Crawford Died in House Committee at Sine Die adjournment.
HB1635 · 2 mentions in transcript
Matched: “…e Bill 1577 Department of Commerce Insurance Department and House Bill 1635 DFNA dispersing it's a grant for teaching veteran hospital…”
AN ACT FOR A GRANT FOR AN ARKANSAS TEACHING VETERINARIAN HOSPITAL AT THE LITTLE ROCK … McCullough Died in House Committee at Sine Die adjournment.
SB392 Act 499 · 2 mentions in transcript
Matched: “…l in favor say aye. Any opposed members in that report, uh, Senate Bill 392 is, uh, ready to be due passes amended.”
TO AMEND ARKANSAS LAW CONCERNING THE CLASSIFICATION AND COMPENSATION OF STATE EMPLOYEES; AND TO DECLARE … B. Davis Notification that SB392 is now Act 499
HB1089 Act 618 · 1 mention in agenda
Matched: “…cation 3. GL#29 – SB93 – Department of Education 4. GL#30 – HB1089 – Department of Commerce-Arkansas Waterways Commission 5. G…”
AN ACT FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE - ARKANSAS WATERWAYS COMMISSION APPROPRIATION FOR THE 2025-2026 … Joint Budget Committee Notification that HB1089 is now Act 618
HB1115 · 1 mention in agenda
Matched: “…tment of Commerce-Division of Workforce Services 8. GL#34 – HB1115 – Department of Commerce-Arkansas Rehabilitation Services 9…”
AN ACT FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE - ARKANSAS REHABILITATION SERVICES APPROPRIATION FOR THE 2025-2026 … Joint Budget Committee Died in House Committee at Sine Die adjournment.
HB1191 Act 619 · 1 mention in agenda
Matched: “…ent of Commerce-Arkansas Rehabilitation Services 9. GL#35 – HB1191 – Department of Public Safety-Arkansas Crime Lab 10. GL#36…”
AN ACT FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY APPROPRIATION FOR THE 2025-2026 FISCAL YEAR. Joint Budget Committee Notification that HB1191 is now Act 619
SB25 Act 607 · 1 mention in agenda
Matched: “…rtment of Commerce-Arkansas Waterways Commission 5. GL#31 – SB25 – Department of Commerce-State Insurance Department 6. GL#3…”
AN ACT FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE - STATE INSURANCE DEPARTMENT APPROPRIATION FOR THE 2025-2026 … Joint Budget Committee Notification that SB25 is now Act 607
SB36 Act 890 · 1 mention in agenda
Matched: “…ducation 4. Amendment LCW048 by Representative Cavenaugh to SB36 – Department of Human Services- Division of Aging, Adult, a…”
AN ACT FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN SERVICES - DIVISION OF AGING, ADULT, AND BEHAVIORAL … Joint Budget Committee Notification that SB36 is now Act 890
SB37 Act 608 · 1 mention in agenda
Matched: “…epartment of Commerce-State Insurance Department 6. GL#32 – SB37 – Department of Commerce 7. GL#33 – SB39 – Department of Co…”
AN ACT FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE APPROPRIATION FOR THE 2025-2026 FISCAL YEAR. Joint Budget Committee Notification that SB37 is now Act 608
SB39 Act 609 · 1 mention in agenda
Matched: “…artment 6. GL#32 – SB37 – Department of Commerce 7. GL#33 – SB39 – Department of Commerce-Division of Workforce Services 8.…”
AN ACT FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE - DIVISION OF WORKFORCE SERVICES APPROPRIATION FOR THE … Joint Budget Committee Notification that SB39 is now Act 609
SB88 Act 610 · 1 mention in agenda
Matched: “…s-Arkansas Geographic Information Systems Office 2. GL#28 – SB88 – Department of Education-Division of Higher Education 3. G…”
AN ACT FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION - DIVISION OF HIGHER EDUCATION APPROPRIATION FOR THE … Joint Budget Committee Notification that SB88 is now Act 610

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Representative Lane Jean Chair Unverified 0:24
All right, members, if you get in your seats we're gonna start in one minute. Yeah, that's it. All right. Alright members we're gonna call joint budget order. We're gonna do a little housekeeping first kind of let you know what, how this is gonna flow today. We do have committees at 10 o'clock. We're gonna, uh, pass over to item 5 C 5 we're gonna do that at the very end we're gonna take care of our other business on the front end. And uh when we get to item 5, we're gonna have a question per member and a follow up, and then we're gonna move on to somebody else to get plenty everybody have opportunity. We're not gonna let today 3456 questions go so a question and one follow up, get out of it then when you get back in the queue, we have time, our, our plan is to get to, uh, 9:35 to have discussion on the bill after we have all the questions. and testimony and then uh from members and then uh had had the debate and try to have the debate by 9:50 so we can be out to our A and B committees at 10 o'clock. So anyway, with that we're gonna get started with uh A B1, uh. See, let me get up here on discussions. Senator Davis, are you giving that
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Speaker 13 2:09
report? If you all righty. You are
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Senator Breanne Davis Unverified 2:14
recognized, ma'am. Thank you, Mr. Chair. The JBC personnel Subcommittee met Tuesday, March 18th. The committee suspended the rules to add an amendment to the pay plan that only added an additional sponsor. The committee adopted the amendment, then adopted a motion of due pass as amended for the pay plan bill. The committee also took up a member amendment for ASU Jonesboro to rectify an error that had inadvertently admitted 3 existing positions from the budget manual during the fall hearings. I
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Representative Lane Jean Chair Unverified 2:43
move adoption of the report. We have adoption of the report. Do we have a second? We have a second. Any discussion? All in favor say aye. Any opposed members in that report, uh, Senate Bill 392 is, uh, ready to be due passes amended. Do I have a motion? Have a motion in a second. Any discussion? All in favor say aye. Any opposed? my amendment is adopted is due pass is amended. Special language. Representative Johnson You're recognized to
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Representative Lee Johnson Unverified 3:12
give the report. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Special met on Tuesday, March 18th. We adopted three amendments to House Bill 1202, which is the Department of Finance Administration, uh, dispersing officer. We also released 3 bills out of special language back to budget committee, House Bill 1389, the DHS division of Developmental disabilities, Jonesboro HCC House Bill 1577 Department of Commerce Insurance Department and House Bill 1635 DFNA dispersing it's a grant for teaching veteran hospital at the Little Rock Zoo. uh, you'll find these, uh, attachments from the adopted uh subcommittee report pages 2 through 8, and I moved for adoption of the report. I have a
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Representative Lane Jean Chair Unverified 3:49
motion to adopt their special language report. Do I have a second? I have a second. Any discussion, all in favor say aye. Any opposed? Uh, report is
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Senator Kim Hammer Unverified 4:01
adopted. We're going to be 3, Senator Hammer, you have that report? You are recognized, sir. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The, uh, peer reviewe subcommittee met yesterday, March 19th, the subcommittee. received reports, reviewed requests, and approved the following various temporary corporations, American Rescue Plan Act appropriation, and a restricted reserve fund transfer, and I move for the adoption of the report. You've heard the report.
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Representative Lane Jean Chair Unverified 4:25
I got a motion to adopt. Do I have a second? I have a second. Any discussion? All in favor say aye. Any opposed? Report is adopted. We're going to A C1, Mr. Anderson will
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Speaker 23 4:36
give a brief description. Thank you Mr.
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Speaker 24 4:38
Chairman. Item C1. This is by Senator English. This is an amendment to Senate Bill 132. This is the approved claims Bill. This changes the source of funds for Veterans Affairs to a cash fund from GR. You're good to
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Representative Lane Jean Chair Unverified 4:53
go, Senator for English? All right. Do we have a motion to adopt the amendment? I have a motion in a second. Any discussion? All in favor say aye. Any opposed? Amendment is adopted, Mr. Anderson. And Senate Bill 132 is ready. Du pass is amended. We have a motion, have a motion in a second. Any discussion all in favor say aye.
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Speaker 24 5:18
Any opposed, Mr. Anderson? Thank you, Mr. Chairman, that takes us to item C2. This is amendment by Representative Kavanaugh to Senate Bill 106, Department of Agriculture. This creates $136,000 increase for the 68 county fairs.
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Representative Lane Jean Chair Unverified 5:37
Reverend Kavanaugh. Hold on. It the wrong button you're recognized. Thank you, Mr.
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Representative Frances Cavenaugh Unverified 5:42
Chair. What this does is keep AYE at $48,000 and then give each county fair $2000 and inside a Department of Ag, they already have money to cover part of this cost. How much part? How much about 30,000. So it's about 100,000 hit out of GR.
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Representative Lane Jean Chair Unverified 6:08
It would be out of, I'd had to find the funding. All right. You've heard the explanation. Hm being in a motion on the amendment. I have a motion and a second, any discussion all in favor say aye. Any opposed? Amendment
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Speaker 24 6:26
is adopted, Mr. Anderson. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The next item is item C3, that's on page 8 in your packet. This is a Senate Bill 93 Department of Education. This adds a new appropriation section for $1 million out of cash funds.
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Representative Lane Jean Chair Unverified 6:39
All right. I don't see Lee here. Any discussion on this amendment? It's not GRs we had to find it out of cash funds. To have a motion to adopt a motion in a second. Any discussion all in favor say aye. Any opposed? Mr. Anderson. Thank
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Speaker 24 7:02
you Mr. Chair. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Item C4. Um, it's on page 12. This has special language special
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Representative Lane Jean Chair Unverified 7:10
subcommittee. We'll skip over 5 to the end. We're gonna start on the governor's letters. I think we've got
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Speaker 24 7:18
3 governor's letters we need to make action on, Mr. Anderson. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Item D1 is governor's letter number 27, that's on page one. This is an amendment to Senate Bill 92, transformation and Shared Services, geographic Information Systems office, it adds an appropriation. For $450,000. Any questions on
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Representative Lane Jean Chair Unverified 7:34
governor's letter 27? Saying no, we have a motion in a second. Any discussion? All in
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Speaker 24 7:43
favor say aye. Any opposed? Let's skip down to, uh, Governor's letter 29. Mr. Chairman Governor's letter 29 is on page 7 in your packet. This is an amendment to Senate Bill 93, Department of Education. To add a various appropriations, uh,
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Representative Lane Jean Chair Unverified 8:01
for adequacy costs. OK, any questions on governor's letter 29. We have a motion in a second. Any discussion all in favor say aye. Any opposed? We're gonna
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Speaker 24 8:14
skip down to Governor's letter 36. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. That is on page 51 in your packet. Governor's letter number 36. This is amendment to House Bill 1200 Department of Energy and Environment, Environmental quality. This adds a federal appropriation for 1.5 million and it adds a cash fund
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Representative Lane Jean Chair Unverified 8:33
appropriation for 5 million. Any question on governor's letter 36. Singan have a motion in a second. Any discussion? All in favor say aye. Any opposed? Governor 36 is adopted members. On governor's letter 28, it has special language. We'll send that to special language. On governor letter 30, it has personnel in it, we'll send that to personnel subcommittee as well as Governor letter 31, it will go to personnel. Governor letter 32 has personnel and special language we'll send those to both those committees and also Governor Letter 7. Well, Governor letter 33 has personnel and special language. We're skipping over. Governor letter 34 and governor's letter 35 has personnel, and we'll send that to personnel. And that does it till we get all right we're back down on item 5. This is Senate Bill 354. Senator Dismay, you're recognized. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
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Senator Jonathan Dismang Unverified 9:32
Uh, members, uh, just a brief history on this. I think we're all aware but on February 27th, there was a governor's letter that would have, uh, that was an appropriation or allowed for the bless you allowed for an appropriation for the amount that had previously been allocated roughly $330 million this committee did not approve that, and I think the major understanding that I and my chair had a was from the committee that they wanted to know the amount, so there was a letter produced uh from the consultant estimating the total cost of the prison to be $825 million. We already have $75 million set aside and so this appropriation reflects the remaining estimated construction cost of $750 million. Uh, again, just on a timeline history, we wanted to make sure that members that had questions had time to ask those questions from the appropriate uh entity. whether it be the Department of Corrections or the governor's office or DFA and so this bill was originally filed on March 3rd so that those questions could be asked, uh, you know, to the, again, the appropriate entities, uh, but with that, I will stop and we'll move on to the question portion.
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Speaker 26 11:04
All right, just save time if, if the department will come
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Representative Lane Jean Chair Unverified 11:07
up to the table. DFNA, y'all need to come to the table. If you Well, we may need some financial questions asked. And when everybody gets the table, identify yourselves and then we've got questions ready to go. And remember, members, one question, one follow up, get out of the queue so other people can ask questions and we'll come back to you. Jim Hudson, secretary DFA.
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Speaker 49 11:35
Robert Brech DFA. Good morning, Joe Porfiri advisor, office of
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Senator Jimmy Hickey, Jr Unverified 11:41
the governor. OK. First question is Senator Hickey, you reckon, sir? Yes, sir. Mine's, mine's not for that. Mine was for center dismaying. He said that we were gonna have a timeline since this was happening. If you wouldn't mind Senator Dimay, would you go ahead and talk about the amendment that I had and how it was failed this morning and what it did, so that the members fully understand that because that is part of what is transpired in the timeline. Uh, Senor Hickey has introduced
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Senator Jonathan Dismang Unverified 12:06
a couple of different amendments. There was initial amendment, I think that. Uh, was this, uh, you, you can explain your own amendments. Yeah, but there was an amendment that was presented in special language this morning. Uh, there was a motion by Senator Hickey to adopt the amendment, and there was no second for the amendment, so the amendment died for fail
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Senator Jimmy Hickey, Jr Unverified 12:27
of a second. Thanks. Since we're saying what, what all is transpired, the amendment that I had would have set up two separate accounts. One of them would have been for $750 million which was exactly what the appropriation was, and it was not going to, uh, increase that appropriation. Then we were gonna have another set aside account for $250 million that was going to say for prison construction and contingencies. Which in the event that we had any cost overruns, that that money could come out of that, but in addition, a lot of the sheriffs and the county judges are saying that, you know, with the way this prison is probably gonna take 4 to 5 years to build. That there's a possibility that we may have to go out and try to find some short term beds somewhere, the money could come out of that, you know, what that would allow us to do because there's been a whole lot of talk and controversy here as far as, you know, whether or not we can build this prison or not. The governor is, uh, adamant with me that she feels like she can. I don't know that anybody can predict where we're gonna be, you know, with how long this is gonna be and the way the economy is right now. Again, we have the money right now. The reason that I want to do that is we're spending a lot of money down here. I want to make sure that we had the cash available. From now to the end that we can park that money. And it would be there and we would never have to do anything different or try to take something out of one of our catastrophic funds or the Arkansas fund. So that
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Senator Jonathan Dismang Unverified 14:03
I Thank you, Senator and members, I probably should have clarified this is appropriation only. There is no direct funding tied to this. We do have a set aside for $330 million at this current moment, I am certain, as we do at the conclusion of every session, we will have an extensive discussion about how much additional dollars should be allocated to have in hand for the prison. One of the things to keep in mind both with that fund and what we do for moving forward at this point, that fund has a 3/5 vote requirement by ALC. So And there is technically no funding tied to this appropriation. This is an appropriation, which is the estimated cost of the prison, which is the responsibility of the governor's office to bring forward or actually say the Department of Corrections. So we keep saying it's the governor's office, but this is an action of the Department of Corrections, uh, for a capital project. Senator King.
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Representative Lane Jean Chair Unverified 14:58
You're recognized for a question and a follow up. Thank
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Senator Bryan King Unverified 15:03
you, Mr. Chair. So, Mr. Preveri, have you been getting my emails that I've been sending
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Speaker 62 15:12
to you? I get several emails. I, I didn't believe that
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Senator Bryan King Unverified 15:16
I may have gotten some emails from you. You, so you have got some emails from me. I have received emails from you, yes, sir. I haven't received any answers that I know of. So I asked the question, like the board of Corrections they gave the 75 million for the calico Rock expansion, and then, uh, there was my understanding was that You are the governor's office or somebody that they wanted, that was going to be 115 million, uh, to expand calico Rock for 525 beds. That was 219,000 per bed. Now, you went up from 470 million if it is 3000 beds, which is no way for 825, that's 275,000 for beds. So why did you or who shut down the calico Rock expansion for a lot less money than what is. being proposed with this other prison. Thank
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Speaker 66 16:09
you for the question, Senator. The calicoRock expansion was done under a previous administration. The current administration pivoted and moved to, uh, effectively create the necessary capacity versus a, a expansion of calico rock which would not have solved the current problem that we're having with capacity issues at the Department of Corrections and that pivot was from that expansion to the construction of a 3000 bed facility which will ultimately alleviate the county jail backup.
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Senator Bryan King Unverified 16:40
Yeah, well, there's no way that they're getting 3800 people to work, but, so basically, did you and the governor's office is the one that shut down the expansion at Calico
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Speaker 66 16:52
Rock. Is that correct? We're expanding the Department of Corrections capacity through the construction of a 3000 bed facility, so the expansion of corrections is occurring. It just happens to not be occurring at Calico Rock. All right, Sir King asked two
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Representative Lane Jean Chair Unverified 17:04
questions. We're gonna go to somebody else who has questions first. Anybody else have questions? Get back in the queue if you want to ask another question. Senator Hester, well, let's go to Representative Whitman's first. Representative Wooton, you're
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Speaker 70 17:23
recognized. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I sure, let me make a statement first. I shared with
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Representative Jim Wooten Unverified 17:31
the uh chairman this morning, uh, Representative Jean, that I regret to have to be a no vote. And I won't Senator Dismay to know that too. It disturbs me greatly. But my question is, for you Is how come, secretary. Uh, the secretary of the prison system. On Thursday. Two weeks ago or 3 weeks ago, could not answer any of my questions relative to the cost. Then on Monday, We get a number of 825 million and we found out that we're spending $16 million to have a construction uh person from California. Come and be involved in a 3000 bed prison here. So what, what happened over the 4 or 5 days there that they could answer one question, the total cost was put at 825, which I feel is, is still could be 200 to $400 million short of what we need. And I am not opposed to a prison system construction of a 3000 bed facility, but I am concerned is Senator Hickey pointed out the fiscal responsibility that I feel has not been met. So why could they answer the questions on Monday, but they couldn't on Thursday. Representative Wootten, I wish I
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Speaker 72 19:15
had a good answer for you with regards to what your
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Speaker 66 19:19
questions may have been to Secretary Wallace and her ability to answer those questions. I don't. Well, I can, I can tell you that the owner's representative has expressed based on their analysis of the current situation, construction, climate and all things considered, that their estimated price tag for this 3000 bed facility will be $825
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Representative Jim Wooten Unverified 19:43
million. Is it 2000 or 3000? 3000 beds, sir. So Is that
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Representative Lane Jean Chair Unverified 19:50
my limit that's your two questions. Will you get back in the queue right, thank you. Senator
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Senator Bart Hester Unverified 19:57
Hester, you're recognized. So Mr. Purri, I, I understand that, uh, in your vast, uh, career, you have overseen the, uh, in a leadership position, at least 3 different prison builds. Uh, can you tell me, did any of those
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Speaker 62 20:12
three come in at budget? Yes, sir, over the course of my, uh, career, uh, almost 4 decades
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Speaker 66 20:17
in corrections, um, took the Department of Corrections that I served for, um, from 16,000 beds to 44,000 beds over that period. Um, we built state facilities, the largest facility constructed was 6000 beds, another 5000 bed facility, 3500 bed facility and then additional, uh, add-ons to prisons that we had as well as public. partnerships that brought us to that capacity at the point that I left at 44,000 of those prisons that we constructed, none went over budget, um, ultimately for two reasons, because you couldn't go over budget. You built to the budget and, and that's what you did. If you ran into issues associated with your budget, then you had to engage in processes associated with construction to potentially alleviate, um, capacity to stay on budget or with that particular elected body was committed to, um, corrections and bed capacity. They knew um that passing laws in the state that Resulted in incarceration, um, also required an investment in correction. So if there were, um, issues that were unforeseen, whether it was economic through labor costs, construction material, um, inflation, then. We would approach the legislature and they would decide whether they added more money to that particular project to reach the capacity or not. So 3 times in your career, you
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Senator Bart Hester Unverified 21:49
met budget on prison bills, you met budget because the legislature gave you so much money, and that's what you had to work with and you honored it 3 times, uh, because the legislature decided how much money, not you.
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Representative Lane Jean Chair Unverified 22:09
That's correct, sir. Thank you. Senator Gilmore, you reckon for a question and a
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Senator Ben Gilmore Unverified 22:13
follow-up. Thank you, Mr. Chair, secretary over, over this way, sir. Thank you for being here. Thanks for answering our questions. So I just want to sort of follow up because we, we hear a lot of talk down here about how much this is gonna cost. We've had crazy figures thrown out of, you know, $1.5. We've, we've had people talk about how there was, you know, the original cost estimate was, you know, $470 or some odd dollars. So there's a lot of numbers been thrown out, but we have a number now from the owner's rep that's 825. Is that correct? That's correct, Senator. OK. And so with that, as my follow up, there, there are ways to make sure that we maintain that estimate and we're coming in within the constraint set, meaning there's a lot of things that we can do, a lot of levers we can pull to control those costs. And in controlling those costs, there's a lot of things we look at from bed mix to programming areas to understanding and making sure that we're addressing everything that we should with pro-social behaviors and having spaces where we can rehabilitate all of those type of things are factored into this.
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Speaker 66 23:16
Is that correct? Yes, sir, that's correct. And would you elaborate a little bit on that? So in prison design, um, to. And to meet your budget, you have to evaluate what you're constructing. You can construct a house of straw, house of sticks, or house of stones, um, you want a house of stone when you're building a prison. It is a generational facility that's going to serve public service for 50 to 100 years. So it's, it's a, a large investment, but it has a long lifespan and in building that prison, you determine, do you want celled environments? Do you want dorm environments, dorm environments are cheaper than cell environments. Do you want single person cells? Do you want double person cells you. Your square footage is relevant associated with that if you do the two-man cell and add 4 square feet to that cell, meeting effective uh accreditation standards, then you can reduce your cost while still providing effective incarceration through a two-man cell versus a single person cell, which then would require more cells to equal that 3000 bed capacity and more square footage which then drives your costs. Senator Stubberfield, you're
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Senator Gary Stubblefield Unverified 24:34
recognized for a question and a follow up. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Perfuri, you, uh, said you built 3 prisons under budget or within
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Speaker 66 24:46
the budget that was given to you. That's correct, sir. What year was that? So the last prison that we built was in 2008. 2008, so
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Senator Gary Stubblefield Unverified 24:56
that is uh. Uh, let's see, this is 2025. That's a long time ago, isn't it?
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Speaker 66 25:05
That's the last state prison facility we built, we effectuated public private partnerships as well
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Speaker 88 25:09
as expansions of our prison system at existing facilities past that particular date. I'm gonna
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Senator Gary Stubblefield Unverified 25:14
ask every colleague in here. If you bought a piece of land. And you were gonna build you a house, would you give the contractor a blank check and say, go build this house. There's not one project that I've been down here and saying that didn't go over budget. I promise you this one will go over, but
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Representative Lane Jean Chair Unverified 25:37
what are you gonna do Mr. Senator
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Chair Unverified 25:41
you follow up. All right. All right,
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Senator Joshua Bryant Unverified 25:44
Senator Bryant, you're recognized. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Uh, Mr. Furry, I, I looked at Vanier, who was our consultant that you've engaged on. They've done over $30 billion of projects, just like these government institutional prisons with an 85% repeat business rate. Do you feel comfortable uh with what your experiences are with them today, that they can meet that objective and we maybe we would want to do business with them in the future, but for now, they can hit the objective of of What
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Speaker 49 26:13
they've sent us as, as to the cost. Yes, sir, I do believe that they are
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Speaker 66 26:16
a, a professional company that they, um, are well versed in this space, and I would rely on them in their estimates associated with this project. Thank you. Senator Blake Johnson,
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Representative Lane Jean Chair Unverified 26:27
you're recognized for a question and a follow up. Over here. So, uh,
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Senator Mark Johnson Unverified 26:37
The, uh, timeline in construction, uh, what was that timeline in the, you know, complete construction. Whenever, whenever you had built those
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Speaker 66 26:50
prisons. So the 5000 bed facility that we constructed was about a six-year timeline from From start to finish and we activated prisons as we went, so, um, if you will, 5000 beds was 5, 1000 bed facilities on a single campus, um, and through the economy of scale associated with having all the work there and all the tradesmen there. We brought one facility up at a time and as say the concrete work finished, they would move to the next facility, start that while other tradesmen went into the facility. That the concrete work had been finished in and they would start doing their relative work associated with that. So, Despite having 5000 beds over 6
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Chair Unverified 27:39
years, we activated our first facility
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Senator Mark Johnson Unverified 27:43
within about 18 months. So with the estimated 3000 bed and uh $825 million estimate. Do you, do you think the construction will be any anywhere close to completion or whenever this body comes
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Speaker 66 28:00
back in 2027. Yes, I, it is the intent to, um, activate a facility in the end of 26 or the beginning of 2027, that will not finish the entire project, but certainly we'll activate a facility as the targeted goal with
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Chair Unverified 28:19
the final completion date of the entire project and late 2029. Ribs
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Representative Lane Jean Chair Unverified 28:26
into Springer. You're recognized for question and a follow up. Good morning. Thank
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Representative Joy Springer Unverified 28:31
you, Mr. Chair. I guess my question is being directed to you, um, I've been, I've received numerous phone calls and emails regarding this issue, and I'm advised in those emails that the residents of Franklin County are being denied the opportunity to participate in this process, particularly in this meeting today, would you please explain to them why, can you give a response as to why uh public comment is not being made here. in this
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Speaker 104 29:02
particular setting historically, and I'm not talking about when
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Representative Lane Jean Chair Unverified 29:07
we go through joint budget and, uh, the fall on, on the hearings, we'd get input there, but historically, we have never allowed public comment and joint budget while we're in session. That has not happened. OK, so that's what, that's what
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Representative Joy Springer Unverified 29:22
we're telling the public now so they can understand that that's not historically been the case, OK. Thank you. Thank you, ma'am. All right,
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Representative Lane Jean Chair Unverified 29:29
let's see where we're at. Senator Hill, you're recognized for a question and a follow-up. You ought to be on now. Uh
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Senator Ricky Hill Unverified 29:45
Mr. Porfiri, you made a comment just a while ago, you know, depending on what, what you're building, whether it be a straw stick, etc. on this well you know as well as I do that a prison is a house of steel. And with the tariffs that have been put on steel right now is that 825,000 25 million that y'all are talking about. Does that include the tariffs, which more than likely will stay if not the entire 25% to keep US steel competitive with the, with the Chinese steel. Are y'all figuring that into this budget
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Speaker 49 30:16
or we actually 25% short. The $825 million budget does have contingencies in there,
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Speaker 66 30:24
um, associated with construction costs as well as owner holdback contingencies, which I believe are north of $100 million each. So, um, though it may not include tariffs if they are enacted or what the impact of that is and the price of steel contingencies associated with
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Senator Ricky Hill Unverified 30:47
construction costs are included in the budget. So you have a. $100 million. That's there for overruns basically is what you what you're saying. So of that, we're looking at 200, roughly 250 million on 25%. That seems to me like that's a little, little, little short for any other type of overruns if that hits
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Speaker 66 31:08
in, if the tariffs stay at a 10 or 15%. I understand your point, the contingencies that are um built into the budget or about 5% to 8% depending on that and uh. If, if the inflation goes up or tariffs, um, or other acts that we can't control, then we will tap into those contingencies to endeavor to mitigate those costs. Senator Rice, you're recognized for
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Representative Lane Jean Chair Unverified 31:35
a question and a follow up. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Burri
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Senator Terry Rice Unverified 31:41
This project is going to require To the best That people can look at it miles of water lines. Wastewater plant. Bonds for the wastewater plant. Rebuild of highways that don't have base. Uh, that I'm told that they're gonna need. Uh Redoing the highways if the highways, if our that's expected to pay for that. That's gonna take away from some other projects they've got on their 5-year plan. To do. And all these things go into the cost of the prison. That's what the taxpayers. are concerned about. Is the bottom line of what it's gonna cost, not what the building's gonna cost, not what the, everything was inside the fence is the prison is the whole project, and that's not what I'm hearing that we're talking about. What, what you have stated is that, and I'm not, not questioning your experience. But what we're looking at and seeing. I Building 101. 35 What what does building 101 say in this project, it says you buy a piece of land before you do due diligence, and that may not have been your decision, but they bought a piece of land for $3 million before due diligence was done because it was available. To buy Can you tell us what the total cost is gonna be. In a range, not just what. What the person uh in, in company said is 825 million. All this other stuff that the taxpayers are gonna have to pay for to make this project work where, what kind of range do you
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Speaker 66 33:43
see on that? Senator, I can tell you that the, the, uh, estimate for this project, which includes utilities is $825 million. I don't have a figure for you as to what those utilities are going to cost because that will come ultimately with the engineering side of this, which we're currently underway on, um, there, and there are a range of options associated with utilities. There's the potential for drilling wells for water. There's also the potential for running transmission lines from, um, available water sources to provide the capacity needed for that water, those price variants are different and so depending on what the engineering side of the house is, is most prudent while the, on the fiscal side is, is most prudent fiscally, um, then that ultimately will determine the cost of water. Same with wastewater, um, developing a wastewater treatment plant on-site self-contained, um, at that facility with either, uh, discharge of, of gray water under EPA standards to local waterways. or through silk away, um, boreholes, uh, the engineering side of the house will determine that, and I don't have the specific figures associated with
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Speaker 84 34:58
what each of those specific utilities will cost, but it's incorporated into
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Senator Terry Rice Unverified 35:07
the $825 million budget. You're saying that the highways and all the water lines that I
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Speaker 66 35:14
was included in that $825 million. That's Utilities associated with the infrastructure to support that facility wastewater, water, um, power, yes. Uh, roadways, um, my understanding of roadways are the roadways there are no different than the roadways, um, anywhere in the state they're built to a specific standard and there's no issue associated with whatever load that is gonna be necessary to construct this facility with this, those roadways, those roadways are no different than any roadway to any facility that we currently have in the state of Arkansas. All
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Representative Lane Jean Chair Unverified 35:51
right, Senator Hammer, you're gonna be the last question and we'll go to debate after we get, uh, let Senator, uh, Desma clothes, you got the
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Senator Kim Hammer Unverified 36:01
last question. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In the discussion that Senator Bryant had about the previous contractor in, uh, 85% success rate. Do you know if that contractor came in under budget on those projects or do you have any knowledge of that?
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Speaker 84 36:16
Senator Hammer, I believe you're referring to Veneer and I don't know about their uh budgetary process on previous projects. OK, and
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Senator Kim Hammer Unverified 36:25
then question to the chair, just for clarification of something, please. Approval of the appropriation, there would still have to be a competitive bid process by any contractors that want to bid on this and so as far as, um, the cost above the 750, while they may know what we are appropriating, it's still going to be a competitive bid process that's gonna have to come back before us for approval. Am I correct on that? That'd be correct. That, that correct? Senator Desmaine. OK, thank you.
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Senator Jonathan Dismang Unverified 36:58
All right, members, we're gonna let Senate, Senator Dismay All right, members, we're gonna let Senate, Senator Dismaylo for his bill. No, I mean, I think we all understand, again, I want to restate this is the appropriation only that does not have funny funding directly tied to that, that would be an additional discussion, even including the 330 million that's already been set aside in the restricted reserve that would require a 3-5 vote. Um, I think there's, you know, I want to allow time for discussion. So with that, I move for Du pass on Senate Bill 354. I have
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Representative Lane Jean Chair Unverified 37:28
a motion to have a second? I have a second. Any discussion, and that's what we'll start with. It's, so you use the top of the list, Senator Wootton. Excuse me,
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Speaker 70 37:48
Representative Wootton. You're recognized. Well, let's try it again. There you go. Thank you. Thank you for the promotion. I'm sure
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Speaker 73 37:54
the senators would be thrilled to have me
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Representative Lane Jean Chair Unverified 37:57
over there. I, I think they would be they would be in favor of having you in their number.
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Representative Jim Wooten Unverified 38:05
Well, let me say. Again, I'm not opposed to a new prison. But the fiscal matters. Pertaining to the current. Recommendation in the current motion. Or lacking We do not know what this is going to cost. And I have not heard anyone, and I had it down for my next question. I have not heard anyone address the operating cost. Of the penitentiary. You can call it prison, you can call it the Department of Corrections, whatever you want to call it. But no one's talked about that. Let me tell you what the salaries will be for 800 employees, which I don't think you can secure in that part of the state without reaching out over, way over in Oklahoma will be $40 million and that's an average of $50,000 which some will exceed that. But if the $50,000 is your average salary. So anything above that is going to be more but $40 million.03 million dollars payroll a month. We've already bought the land. No consideration has been given that I've been made aware of. And no discussion have I heard has been made where we've got plenty of land. At Barner Tucker Cummins. Enough land to build a new prison on that facility and use some of the infrastructure that's already there. Up here, we're gonna have to build roads, we'll have to have a complete new water treatment facility, sewer system. And everything that goes along with the that rural development area of the state. And forget the fact that the people up there do not want it. Varner Ghoul Those areas of this day, Tucker. They're used to having a penitentiary there. Representative
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Representative Lane Jean Chair Unverified 40:37
Wooton, we've got 15 minutes on this. We've got 6 or 8 that wanna say something.
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Representative Jim Wooten Unverified 40:45
Let me, let me just finish up a saying. Again, I'm not opposed, Mr. Chairman, to construction of a of of a new facility. We need it, we've got to have it. But we do not know the total cost as of yet. I know they've said 82. 5 million, but that's not going to address it. Thank you, Mr. Chair, sir.
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Speaker 70 41:07
Sufield, you're recognized. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I
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Senator Gary Stubblefield Unverified 41:18
I want you to know that we have, we have no, uh, specific information on any of the uh engineering studies that's been done. I have spoken with Ardot. They've informed me that all those roads will have to have shoulders put on them. They will have to be redone because it won't take a chip and uh seal to fix them. And I would say to Mr. Perfuri that 18 years ago, Concrete is a little bit higher today than it was 18 years ago, along with steel and every other thing you buy, including a commode handle. Is, is 5 to 10 times higher. And, and not only that, one of the one of the criteria for this person to, to meet was to be close to a major, major interstate. We are 22 miles from the closest interstate and there is no water in Ozark that's available because of a Cargill plant that is there and they have to shut off customers whenever they're running at 100%. So where is the water gonna come from? Are they gonna have to go? all the way to Fort Smith to get it. None of this has been, none of these figures have been, uh, told to us. This is all speculative. The numbers they're throwing out have no basis to to back them up. And I, I will be voting no on this. I appreciate it.
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Senator Bart Hester Unverified 42:50
Thank you, Senator. Senator Hester. You're recognized. Thank you. I think, I think my point earlier with the question on, um, um, Mr. Perfuri was 3 times in his career, he's been given a number by the legislature and he's honored that number. The cost of this prison will be what this body says it will be. It will not be what the executive branch says it will be or the appropriators if we say the cost of this prison is $825 million the cost of the prison will be 825 million, and that's what we're saying right now, the the cost of this prison will be 825 million. Um, I, I, I, I struggle to think. What if we don't build this prison? What is the cost to society? What are the costs to the people? What, how do we answer to the people at home when there's no misdemeanor justice. Uh, what is the cost to not do this. This body is saying it's $825 million. Mr. Perfuri has said he's done exactly what the legislatures told him to do 3 other times in his life. It didn't matter if it was one year ago or 20 years ago, it's not about the dollar amount, it's about honoring the respects of the legislature. Honoring the budget that they
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Senator Jimmy Hickey, Jr Unverified 43:53
gave him, he's done it 3 times. He'll do it again. Thank you, Senator, Senator Hickey, you're recognized. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Obviously, I'm for the prison or I wouldn't have ran them, would not have ran an amendment. To set up two accounts, one of them being a contingency. I'm willing to even overlook some of my fiscal responsibility because I feel that we need the prison that bad. However, I sit here and I listen to this stuff about this vast experience that we have in the construction business, and we didn't even do the basic of things. I've done some of this in my life. The first thing anybody does, you go out and buy a piece of land you do a site survey. You do a contingency on the contract to make 100% sure that you've got the utilities to service the thing to make sure that you've got. That there's no environmental concerns that there's not any. Indian Artifacts or something on the land, there are tons of things you do, as I heard Senator Rice say that's building 101. So to sit here and tell me that you've got this great experience in doing this, and you basically have flued the purchase, it is just insulting to me. And then in testimony I believe Senator Hammer asked this, which was a great question. I hear that we haven't even looked at this consultant we've done to see how they come, have come in on their past estimates for prisons. That, that is unbelievable for me. Do I think we need a prison? Of course I do. Again, I did an amendment. To try to make it so that we'd have the money because this might be a 4 or 5-year project. But we don't want to listen to that or to try to do that to have the money in place. We just want to talk about how we're gonna, how we're gonna
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Representative Lane Jean Chair Unverified 45:46
do this and we can't even get the first step
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Senator Mark Johnson Unverified 45:50
right. Thank you, Senator, Senator Johnson, you're recognized. Thank you, sir. Uh. I don't pose a prison, and I support this effort. Because The estimate is 825 million. This prison, part of it may be built by the time we come back as a body in 2027, but, uh, if the engineering and architecture and construction is over cost. We can address that at that time. But this is, this is the time we're in. And, uh, 825 is, is what is needed at this time, and that's what I want to address at this time, and that's our
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Representative Lane Jean Chair Unverified 46:32
responsibility as a legislature. Appreciate it. Thank you, Senator,
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Senator Justin Boyd Unverified 46:39
Senator Boyd, you're recognized. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Uh, so what I do know is this legislature determines what's a crime. This legislature sets the penalties for crime. We and Sebastian County have ins instituted drug courts, mental health courts, crisis stabilization unit, crisis intervention training, done everything that I know of to try to figure out who belongs in jail, who belongs in prison, and who doesn't. But today, 46% of the inmates in Sebastian County jail are state inmates. So at some point, Yeah and I know Sebastian County is not alone. We have to build a prison, so, uh, I'm gonna vote for this today. Thank you. All
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Representative Lane Jean Chair Unverified 47:21
right, Senator Peyton, we ain't heard from you yet. You're
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Senator John Payton Unverified 47:24
recognized. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Uh, My dad always called it running off half-cocked. And it seems to me that that was the first step. We had a lot of money burning a hole in our pocket. Everybody agreed we wanted to build a prison, and I'm not sure that we, uh, made a wise business decision and where we're gonna put it. Or how we started. But it did. Destroy a lot of us. Confidence And the people making the decision. And when we're talking about what could be a billion dollar project, we need some confidence in how the decisions are going to be made. We need a prison or maybe we need 3 prisons, but I remember 2 years ago we had prison space. That we could not take advantage of because we did not have staff. Staffing Those prisons. In my business sense and all the experience that I've had hiring and, and organizing businesses around the state. I look at the location that's been chosen. And maybe we could build a 1000 bed prison there and staff it, but I really think That we're going to build a 3000 bed prison and may only be able to use 1000 beds of it because we can't find the staff. And so that's what concerns me most, and that's why I think we need to slow down. Instead of running off half cocked. And Pursuing what could be a A major problem in the end. Thank you. Thank you, Senator,
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Representative Lane Jean Chair Unverified 49:00
Senator Rice. You're recognized. Thank you. I, I will.
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Senator Terry Rice Unverified 49:07
Thank Senator Payton for saying some things is on my mind, but my fear is The way this project has been done to date. That we will spend mega millions. And we'll find out we need more money to do it right. And again, the things that's not just within the fence. Is part of this project that the taxpayer is going to pay for. We're not saying no to a prison. I voted for the Safe Act. I voted for a prison. But I'm trying to get some confidence in Senator Payton said it for me. I've lost confidence in the people that are working on this and now we're trying to fit the widget in whatever holes left and that doesn't inspire confidence in me. I want the taxpayer to have some confidence too. And they've not been given the, the upfront information that they need just by saying we don't have it yet. But yet we're gonna fund it and we're gonna get so far down the road with so much money. That the legislature can't say no, we just got to pump
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Representative Lane Jean Chair Unverified 50:14
more into it. That's my fear. Thank you.
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Senator Bryan King Unverified 50:17
Thank you, Senator, Senator King, you're recognized. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So I gave the figures about the Malvern expansion at 219,000 per bed that they could have expanded that the governor and Mr. Profiri appears to have shut down, that's 219,000 per bed. What they're throwing out now, they originally said 470 million, no details, now they're up to 825 million, and this is just a cover letter. It doesn't provide any details, there is nobody would should in the real world accept giving you a price thing to build a building or a house or warehouse without any details. If you look at, we'll build a prison. Well, if you look at it, 825 million. If you get 3000 beds, which is totally unrealistic. That's 275,000 per bed. If you go down to 2000 beds and you get in the middle of this and you only do 2000 beds, that's 412,000 per bed. If you go down to 1500, which is more realistic. stick in line with all these other things, the ACH standards. You're talking about building a 550,000 per bed. Once again, they're not providing any details, which should just set off bells and whistles and alarms, and I can tell you there are a lot of alternatives that can be done in a more physically responsible way to take care of the problem than to just go down this financial boondoggle once you step into this and these prison building companies, once again, they provide just a cover letter, no details of the road. cos, no details of the water, no details the so preparation, nothing, nothing at all. I'm just telling you, I trust Draley running a blood drive before I would trust prison building companies on keeping their estimates.
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Representative Lane Jean Chair Unverified 51:53
Thank you, Senator, Senator Stubenville, you got on the clock on the wall, you've got one minute, you have the last word. All right,
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Senator Gary Stubblefield Unverified 51:59
let me just say this one of the big problems, and I've chaired penal and correctional institutions for 12 years. One of the biggest problems we have is staff. We cannot find people to work in these prisons. We bring in people from Mississippi. We're busting in people from all over 60% of our guards are females. We can't even get, we can't get men, male guards to work in these facilities. In my area, The big part of those people are elderly retired, they're not going to work in prisons. And another thing, you're gonna wipe out every sheriff's deputies for a 2 county area because they're not gonna work for 35,000 when they make 50,000 and move up there. So we're going to be left without deputies to protect our counties while the prison has all the staff. This this is a uh. and like uh Representative Wooton said we will be going to Oklahoma and we will be busting staff from Salasa and maybe even over to Shakota all the way there. To Charleston, Arkansas. There's a better option because there's a statute on the books right now that we passed when Governor Hutchinson was here that allowed counties to partner together on half the sales tax. And build their jails there. And, and there's 6 counties, 6 or 7 counties that are producing the biggest part of the prisoners. Franklin County doesn't have, but you have other counties like Pulaski. Sebastian Crawford. Uh, Jefferson, all these counties are producing all these prisoners. And yet we're having it every, every constituent in your district is gonna be paying these ongoing costs like you said. Thank
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Representative Lane Jean Chair Unverified 54:01
you. uh. Ser this man wants to to close and then we're gonna, we, does that member know, uh, Senator Stubfields come and ask for the house to be divided, so after he gets through, I need to see two hands along with Senator Stubberfield and we'll divide the chambers and we're gonna
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Senator Jonathan Dismang Unverified 54:21
start on the Senate end. Senator just man, you're recognized. One thing I just, I just want to say the end because we keep talking about funding. This is not the funding. This is the appropriation. This is something that's required for a capital project to start a capital project, there is. An estimation or I guess a, you know, the consultant came back within $825 million dollar number. This is the appropriation. There are stop gas and stop gaps and stop gaps in front of us as we discuss funding along the way and how we're going to do that. This is not that. This is the appropriation for a capital project to build a prison, period. This is not the end of our. Responsibility. This is not the end of our discussion. This allows us to have the bigger our conversation uh with that I appreciate a good book. All right, I got
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Representative Lane Jean Chair Unverified 55:11
it. All right, I have at least 2 hands or 3
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Senator Jonathan Dismang Unverified 55:13
or 4, we'll, uh, go with, uh, the roll call on the Senate side. Yes, sir. Senator English. Yes,
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Speaker 24 55:26
Senator Mark Johnson. Yes, Senator Hammer, yes, Senator Tucker. No, Senator Peyton. No, Senator Irvin. Yes, Senator Caldwell. No, Senator Flippo, yes, Senator Blake Johnson. Yes, Senator Hill. No, Senator Sullivan. Yes, Senator Hester. Yes, Senator Leding. No, Senator King. No, Senator Penzo. Not seeing Senator Pen so, Senator Boyd, yes. Senator Bryant. Yes, Senator Des. Senator Flowers. Yes, Senator Clark. Senator Crow No Senator Stubenfield. No, Senator Hickey. No, Senator Davis. Yes, Senator McGee. Yes, Senator Gilmore. Yes, Senator Rice.
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Speaker 131 56:33
No, Senator Petty. Yes, Senator Wallace, yes. Yes, sir. Got
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Speaker 134 56:50
17 in the affirmative. We're
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Senator Jonathan Dismang Unverified 56:53
going to the house.
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Speaker 24 56:57
Representative Matthew Shepherd. Yes Representative Holcombe. Yes, Representative Richmond. Yes, Representing Pilkington. Yes, Representative Warren. Yes, Representative Kavanaugh, yes, Representative Lynch, yes, Representative Evans, yes, Representative Milligan. Yes, Representative Walker. For alternate representative recruiter. No. Representative Moore. Yes, said McGee. No, Representative Wootton. No. No. Representative Collins. No, Representative McCulloch, no. Representative Springer. No, Representative Hudson. No, Representative Garner. No, Representative Johnson. No. Representative Clowney. No, Representative Gramlich, yes, Representative Scott Richardson. Yes, Representative Burks. Yes, Representative Eaves. Yes, representing Ward law.
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Speaker 137 58:27
Representative Langstrom. Yes, Representative Gazaway.
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Representative Lane Jean Chair Unverified 58:33
16 in the affirmative, the bill is adopted. Is due past. Members, uh, right quick, we'll be back in here on Wednesday. April 2nd and before that when you come back on Tuesday we got personnel at 8. And special language and I appreciate your work. We are adjourned.
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Agenda

A. Call to Order

0:45

B. Reports and Communications

1:56

C. Consideration of Member Bills and Amendments

4:45

D. Governor’s Letters

7:09

E. Bills Re-Referred to Joint Budget Committee

F. Other Business

58:40

G. Adjournment

58:49

Speakers

Representative Lane Jean Chair Unverified
55 segments
Speaker 13
1 segment
Senator Breanne Davis Unverified
2 segments
Representative Lee Johnson Unverified
2 segments
Senator Kim Hammer Unverified
4 segments
Speaker 23
1 segment
Speaker 24
13 segments
Representative Frances Cavenaugh Unverified
1 segment
Senator Jonathan Dismang Unverified
15 segments
Speaker 26
1 segment
Speaker 49
3 segments
Senator Jimmy Hickey, Jr Unverified
11 segments
Senator Bryan King Unverified
10 segments
Speaker 62
2 segments
Speaker 66
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Speaker 70
3 segments
Representative Jim Wooten Unverified
11 segments
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