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ALC-Occupational Licensing Review Subcommittee

September 22, 2025 ·1:00 PM ·Room A, MAC ·27:12
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Representative Stephen Meeks Unverified 2:05
right. Colleagues everyone wants to settle in we'll go ahead and get started for the occupational licensing subcommittee. I'll go ahead and call the subcommittee to order we're gonna jump right on then to this our first report is going to be from the Arkansas department of Education and so looks like we're supposed to have doctor Sutherland and Doctor Benton if y'all would take the hot seats for us and introduce yourselves and this will be item C1 in your packet colleagues. Then when y'all get settled in if you would just please introduce yourself to the committee and then you can proceed with any opening comments Doctor Matthew Sutherland, director
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Speaker 6 2:56
of educator preparation and licensure. Courtney Salisfod, chief of staff department of Education. grab your
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Speaker 8 3:00
there you go Doctor Brandy Bentons assistant commissioner, educator
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Speaker 9 3:08
effectiveness and licensure right good afternoon thank you
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Representative Stephen Meeks Unverified 3:10
for being here. any opening comments before we get into the report? So I just want to say
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Speaker 6 3:19
that you know we've tried to make obtaining a teaching license much more flexible and provide a lot more ease in that process as far as renewal is concerned we've tried to make the pd hours more streamlined. there's only about 8 hours that now have to occur. and then also thinking about just our our process for actually going through and approving the license it is it's supposed to be a sixweek process but in in actuality most of them happen within the span of a week. right how
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Representative Stephen Meeks Unverified 3:52
is do y'all have a separate fund balance to to handle this and how is how is that handled with the licensing fees so the funding comes from
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Speaker 6 4:02
the licensing fees so that's that goes to our PLSB account and that funding is used for both salaries and for ailes which is our our Arkansas educator licensing systems so the funding comes from the licensing fees so that's that goes to our
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Representative Stephen Meeks Unverified 4:16
PLSB account and that funding is used for both salaries and for ailes which is our our Arkansas educator licensing system and looks like760,000 dollars was collected and you spent about700,000 of it so it seems to be fairly balanced what how how are we doing as far as getting teacher's license as far as do we still have shortages where do we see those shortages kind of tell us that what the state of the field is these days. Yeah we're still well actually we have our new teacher licensure
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Speaker 6 4:41
plan which was developed recently and so we've been working with teachers on a daily basis trying to get them on those licensure plans and get them to licensure those plans last three years but that's at the discretion of the district and so the district actually gets to decide do they want to continue to apply for those plans at the end of three years they have to be to a provisional license right all right all right colleagues any questions on this OK Saying none prettyty painless this morning
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Representative Stephen Meeks Unverified 5:07
or heard this afternoon thank you all for being here without objection we'll consider thisport reviewed and we'll go on to C2 thank you arkansas department of Labor Licensing HVAC and once again once you all get settled in there if you would introduce yourselves for the committee
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Speaker 25 5:44
this is going to be exhibit C2 colleagues Lacey Kirchner counsel
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Speaker 26 5:52
for the department of laborbor and licensing. Lindsey Moore, director
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Representative Stephen Meeks Unverified 5:56
of code enforcement department of laborbor and licensing right thank y'all for being
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Speaker 28 6:02
here any opening comments for the committee? we just want to point out that with the passing ofct746 of2025 that the department took an initiative to reduce licensing and we eliminated the class C license for HVAC and we expanded the scope of work thatlass A andlass B license holders can
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Representative Stephen Meeks Unverified 6:23
do. and it looks like the you had $900,000 in revenues operating expenses of769,000 dollars. how are we doing as far as fund balance in that licensing we're holding steady at this point we've just
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Speaker 28 6:37
went to a digital licensing platform that we're hopeful that can give us some additional savings from postage specialty paper in the labor of putting it out. and then
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Representative Stephen Meeks Unverified 6:50
how overall how are we doing with this field and the the the state so we have a good supply ofhBAC technicians are the areas of shortages or areas where we need to promote the field just we're working on promoting there's
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Speaker 28 7:06
always a need it's a growing industry the the trade is growing the trade is changing with modern technology so there's there's an ongoing need for the technicians sounds good
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Representative Stephen Meeks Unverified 7:18
OK colleagues any questions on this one? all right seeing none without objection we'll consider this reviewed And one last one the state plant board And again gentlemen want you to get seated if you would please introduce yourself to the committee and then you can proceed with any opening comments corey Seates department
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Speaker 40 7:52
of agriculture, director of the state plant board
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Speaker 42 7:59
Markowarkansas department of agriculture today Department of agriculture presents for review for occupational licenses and they're related to nurseries nursery men in limited nursery men who are the individuals that grow and sell nursery stock nursery dealers who buy nursery stock for resale and landscape contractors which install nursery stock as an occupation licenses are governed by Arkansas code section 221101 at sec also known as the Arkansas nursery Fraud Act and the part50 of two code of Arkansas rules subparts3 and4. I I do want to point out in review for today I did notice two things that need to be mentioned for correction on page two for the number of individuals regulated in nursery dealers level 1 through3 the number that was put in in error was actually the total number of licenses that number should be448. and in addition the amount that is received with regards to these fees was left off and that is on average about $140,000
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Speaker 45 9:08
a year what's your current fund balance for regulating this we we do not
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Speaker 5 9:16
carry a a balance all of that
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Speaker 42 9:20
is expended by costs of the program
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Speaker 45 9:26
to include inspectors and just the operating costs OK? and how how's the industry doing overall as
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Representative Stephen Meeks Unverified 9:33
far as kind of the same question I asked the the last group what's the I think that overall it's
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Speaker 42 9:45
it's pretty good with the increasing numbers that you see and it's not a large number but you do see more and more ability to buy plants and shrubs at your local big box store. but the numbers that we're licensing seems to hold fairly steady. OK
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Speaker 40 10:03
all right. Hey colleagues any questions this morning on
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Representative Stephen Meeks Unverified 10:08
this one? we're all lighting up. looks like y'all won the jackpot this morning so uhs representative uhRay, you are going to be first Thank you Mr Chairman. I'm over here gentlemen so
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Representative David Ray Unverified 10:22
when is the can you just give me a quick summary of what what is the difference bit I'm looking at this for the first time the difference between a nursery dealer and a nursery man nursery dealers
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Speaker 42 10:38
as a general rule are selling for retail items that they did not grow themselves. The nursery men are the ones that actually grow the the plants the shrubs that sort of thing
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Representative David Ray Unverified 10:53
OK. and so are these are these voluntary are these voluntary licenses are they like certifications or do you have to have it as a precondition to sell these plants it's required by the statute so and I I guess this is probably not your area but I'm just I'm just curious what is the what is the what's the policy justification for requiring a license to sell shrubs and plants
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Speaker 57 11:16
it and Mr. Stowe may be able to answer better than I can
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Speaker 42 11:24
but it is I guess to give a broad statement along with the licensing comes inspections of the facilities that grow and sell these plants and so those inspections ensure that the consumers are getting viable plants that are free from disease and pests and that sort of thing does he is there a board or agency that goes
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Representative David Ray Unverified 11:47
out and inspects nurseries they are inspectors from the department of agriculture. so they go out and inspect the nurs nurseries that's what you're saying ok you've made a reference to like big box stores you know like you'd go to Lowe's or Home Depot or something and buy a a shrub to plant in your garden are they required to have a license to sell those? they'd be a nursery dealer they're a nursery dealer. OK. all right. thank you. Oh last question sorry do do you have any idea how many other states require a license to sell plants I believe they all do they all do ok all right well thank you for answering those questions sir uhpresentative gonzalez
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Representative Stephen Meeks Unverified 12:40
you're next. chair I thank RepresentativeRay covered the majority
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Speaker 61 12:44
of it. you know, I was looking on the back page question number one, would consumers be at risk of substantial harm if Arkansas did not have this occupational authorization and your answer was no so I I too kind of wonder why does this exist I think the correct the
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Speaker 42 13:05
more precise answer would be that that would not allow for the inspections that I was speaking of a few moments ago and we we could have more artfully answered that question I'll admit and there's there's no
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Speaker 61 13:17
fees or anything involved with this license they don't have to pay a fee yes there
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Speaker 42 13:23
are fees the fees are both a license fee and then an inspection fee and that fee increases depending on the size of for example nursery that you have or the size of siding area that you have as a
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Speaker 45 13:37
as a grower as a nursery. So did y all just completely ignore this questionnaire other than
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Speaker 61 13:44
the the first question because number5 says how much does the occupational entity collect annually in fees or what are the annual expenses and it says not applicable it was missed yes sir well it looks like every one of them are missed so thank
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Representative Stephen Meeks Unverified 14:03
Is is that something that you have on hand that you can tell us what those numbers are or if not can you email those to staff so we can get those out to the committee
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Speaker 42 14:12
and actually I did try to go back and update when I realized the error and it was
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Speaker 45 14:15
already locked so but I will make sure that happens yes sir
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Representative Stephen Meeks Unverified 14:47
OK committee I'm gonna I'm actually gonna throw this question out to you we're going to continue with our with our discussion but since they y'all have mentioned that there are some corrections that need to be made to this report. there's two ways we can proceed. One is we can go ahead and take the report as is or we can have you go ahead and submit those corrections so that we've got the correct information and then maybe have you come back on Thursday when we meet and rereview it at that time just to get those corrections in in place, OK? but we're gonna go ahead and continue with the questions Representative beck you are going to be
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Representative Rick Beck Unverified 15:28
next sir. thank you Mr Chair. I'm just gonna look look at like the nursery men levels 1 through4 and the differences I guessal I guess that's is that the fee or sir ok so my question would be is is the differences related to different things that the they're entitled to do or is it just purely the the size of the nursery it's for
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Speaker 71 15:57
the nurserman it's a size like level one would be contain grower stock in less than3 acres and then field stock less than 10 acres were level two would increase in size of that each level so it gives the inspectors more to inspect. So and I might have need some clarity on
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Representative Rick Beck Unverified 16:13
something you said earlier I I might just caught it wrong but the so it it's the fees that I would pay and then you you said that there was also an inspection fee or you they they paid something the inspection fee is included in
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Speaker 45 16:29
that number that's listed so if I have a larger one then that
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Representative Rick Beck Unverified 16:32
I guess I'm I'm kind of round about trying to get to the looks like the fees go quite a bit higher but part of that would be the additional costs related to inspection fees. Yes sir so and I'm just gonna throw this out there because we don't have the numbers but the the answer to Representative meeks or Chairman meeks question is to how your fund balances were and all that he said well we we use that for just then you you kind of stumble around a little bit there and he said well operating expenses so what percentage and and I guess this will be ready for us when we get the numbers but what percentage are you running over like is after you collect all your fees is there actually a a difference of you know 20% of your revenue is still there or whatever and if so it it just you know you say it's kind of sense well you we use it up for operating fees so it would almost mean like you would either be right on the line where you would not have enough money to function correctly which I I would say we need to make sure we get you plenty of money to function cracks or the other side would say well we're kind of spending what we get and and that would indicate we're just maybe not making the best use of taxpayer dollars or or not maybe not tax dollars but they're the fees that the people are paying so hopefully that'll be cleared up when you give us some numbers as to how you know what what serve for lack of a better term what surplus you have and and exactly how that's being expended that makes sense all right thank you thank you Mr Chair uhpresentative Perrier you're you're next. Yes sir. so
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Speaker 77 18:21
is there a is there a threshold to
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Representative Chad Puryear Unverified 18:26
not need a license or I did I hear you say level one is just anything under
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Speaker 83 18:33
three acres if you're selling trees or shrubs woody plants you would need a license for that and
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Representative Chad Puryear Unverified 18:39
there's not like a like let's say you sell 25 trees you still have to have a lot even if it's a very small scale operation you know because3 acres is quite an operation really so all right thank you senatorullivan you're next.
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Senator Dan Sullivan Unverified 18:58
thank you oh here guys so this kind of new to me so we're licensing these folks and I think I may have heard you say it how big a dealer do you have to be before you have a license or required to have a license in other words can people go to a yard sale or or you know some roadside stand and buy shrubs do they need a license? yes if you're yeah that'd probably be a you pull
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Speaker 58 19:22
the mic a little closer to you please sorry depending on
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Speaker 71 19:28
where they got the plants at it they grew them themselves they need a limited nursery if it's a woody plant like a shrub or a tree and limited nursery men would just be selling to the public they can't sell to a dealer or another grower so then a nurseryman can sell to another grower or dealer but it's plants they grow so I'm I guess I'm if people want to sell this at a yard sale
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Senator Dan Sullivan Unverified 19:58
or other kinds of things that makes a difference where they get their product it does and if it's not
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Speaker 93 20:04
a woody plant they can sell them without a license Say that
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Speaker 71 20:10
again now if it's not a woody plant like a tree or shrub you know they they can sell them without a license
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Senator Dan Sullivan Unverified 20:17
OK and I saw this law was written in 2019 and we have't updated it much since then and I I'm just wondering and I'll talk to you offline I'm just wondering how we go from 2019 till you know 100 years and we haven't updated it and how it compares to what other states are requiring but I don't not for now I'll talk to you later about that thank you Mr chairir. uhpresentative Richmond
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Representative Stephen Meeks Unverified 20:44
you're next. thank you Mr chairir. I know
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Representative Marcus E. Richmond Unverified 20:48
that you can you probably seen online where there's trees and things that are sold. I mean you can even find it on Facebook and and I'm not sure where that those trees and things will come from usually some type of fruit tree is there any effort to regulate those guys as well because I would think that would if we're concerned about some kind of risk and I would think that this would be part of the deal that we're we're concerned about some kind of disease coming in here which is one of the reasons why you would be licensed that there would be some kind of effort to you know to monitor those kind of sales as well is there any? we'd try if we see the ad I mean
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Speaker 71 21:35
because that goes way beyond plants that goes with everything trying to regulate you know internet but yes we we do try if we see that to contact that person find out what they're selling and let them know you need to have a license or you don't need a license follow up Mr chair fire away do you have any any numbers or anything how many people
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Representative Marcus E. Richmond Unverified 21:59
you've contacted and and reached out to and said you know you're selling in the state of Arkansas you need to have some type of license here
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Speaker 99 22:08
do you have any any any figures that would indicate
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Speaker 93 22:13
that? No I do not have any figures we have contacted though some of the online
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Speaker 71 22:18
like Amazon and eBay you know places that do sell and put are prohibited plant list out there so they're supposedly blocking those plants to be
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Speaker 101 22:27
sold in Arkansas OK thank you thank you Mr Cha. Heypresentative Perrier you're back up
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Representative Chad Puryear Unverified 22:37
think that Marcus ris so you know I was I was gonna simplify that because I was having trouble following him so I can I can't grow 10 apple trees on my farm and sell those 10 apple trees but I can get online and order them out of the northern state and and that's ok without a license. So I'd have to have a license to sell 10 apple trees on my farm but an out of state company could deliver those same 10 apple trees without a license is that correct? hopefully they're license if they're selling but we don't know if they're licensed leave that up to the state that they're located in all right
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Speaker 71 23:08
thank you and if you are purchasing, I would make sure that they are licensed just to make sure it's a good product. follow up. Has
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Representative Chad Puryear Unverified 23:16
there been an instance where we have imposed these regulations on somebody just trying to make some extra money you know what I'm saying like is has hase you know we say we regulate this is there an instance where this has you know shut down a very small operation that was working with a license? do we have any track record of
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Speaker 101 23:38
that No, usually if we find one we give them the opportunity to get a license and bring them into the program thank you so
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Speaker 108 23:46
I think kind of the rabbit hole some of my
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Representative Stephen Meeks Unverified 23:51
colleagues have been going down. So if I've got a shrub in my front yard, right and I don't want it there anymore and I dig it up and my neighbor sees me digging it up and says hey, I'd like to put that shrub in my front yard and they want to give me 20 bucks for it. that would actually be illegal unless I got a license. not that I expect y'all to to to you know, jump in on that situation but technically that would that would be illegal in Arkansas is that correct? yes sir ok well I won't be back but maybe this might be something our my colleagues could look into for next session. uhpresentative Beck have you backup sir. so you you you bring up another question that's the
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Representative Rick Beck Unverified 24:34
going back to the tin apple trees coming in from out of state versus someone here so when you contact someone out of state and they say let's say Oklahoma so the alcohoma molest side doesn't have nursery laws do they tell you that you know they are in compliance with their state's nursery laws and so therefore they don't have to pay attention to you well no what
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Speaker 93 25:04
they would do they would need a state fido to ship
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Speaker 101 25:11
plants into our state so if you buy them they would be accompanied by a state fighter certificate and that would be issued by Oklahoma department of agriculture and they would have to do the inspection on those products and we would receive a copy of the state photo. so so I guess
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Representative Rick Beck Unverified 25:30
thenat says that it would be the the the state that the person was growing the apple trees from and whatever they say is ok is what's ok for shipping in Arkansas correct yeah if it makes that state fa
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Speaker 58 25:48
we accept that but the other state not Arkansas
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Speaker 101 25:54
yeah if if they're selling from that state shipping into Arkansas it's a pretty general form that all states accept and we we'd give them a list if there's any requirements for a product they would have to meet those on that state fido. all right thank you very much OK colleagues any other
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Representative Stephen Meeks Unverified 26:12
questions OK OK saying that so gentlemen if if we hold this over till Thursday is that something you can work up those actual numbers get it to staff by then and we can finalize a report on that day? Is that something y'all could make happen in the next couple of days for us absolutely right so well without that we're good ok so without objection colleagues what I'd like to do is we'll hold this over till Thursday's meeting until we get those actual numbers we'll get them plugged into the report and then that way what we're going to file will be the actual actual numbers from your staff. so with that gentlemen thank you for thank you for being here this afternoon and answering all of our our questions colleagues are meeting on Thursday we'll be in here at 1 : 30 p.m. and seeing no other business we are adjourned
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Agenda

A. Call to Order

2:13

B. Comments by the Co-Chairs

2:14

C. Review of Reports from Occupational Authorization Entities:

2:19

D. Other Business

26:57

E. Adjournment

27:03

Speakers

Representative Stephen Meeks Unverified
30 segments
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Speaker 8
1 segment
Speaker 9
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Speaker 25
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Speaker 26
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Speaker 28
5 segments
Speaker 40
2 segments
Speaker 42
12 segments
Speaker 45
5 segments
Speaker 5
1 segment
Representative David Ray Unverified
6 segments
Speaker 57
1 segment
Speaker 61
4 segments
Representative Rick Beck Unverified
14 segments
Speaker 71
6 segments
Speaker 77
1 segment
Representative Chad Puryear Unverified
4 segments
Speaker 83
1 segment
Senator Dan Sullivan Unverified
4 segments
Speaker 58
2 segments
Speaker 93
3 segments
Representative Marcus E. Richmond Unverified
4 segments
Speaker 99
1 segment
Speaker 101
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Speaker 108
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