JBC-Special Language

The chair season quorum all calls in order. First I'm gonna recognize Senator Pitsch for an announcmenet thank you Mr chairman and members of I guess were in joint budget special language I have a guest today. Claire Holland backs many of you might know her father is the county sheriff or was of Sebastian County Jay Richardson and I like to welcome her here and the way they do things in the mentor program as they have an old mentor and a young manager Megan Nichols who happens to be the president of the regions bank in our market is the young mentor obviously and yours truly gets to be the old mentor so thank you for recognizing that Mister chairman okay. A representative one law and Senator Rice. You're recognized. Thank you chair Mr chairman. I guess we probably should've done this this morning we have more members present in the room you guys know how important the bureau is to the members I want to tell you how important Marty Garrity is to the bureau today is a special day because today is. And she done left the room. Today is miss Marty Garrity is birthday so I want to take this time to recognize her make sure that everybody wishes her a very Happy Birthday and my co chairman has few remarks as well if we can find her in the room that would be awesome. She's always working. But let me say aye. Co chair of council I've been ram Marty because I've been on councillor since 2009 when it came down there but is chairman working closely with the co chair and and Marty you don't realize how much she does how much you keep up with now and we just had a resolution in the Senate I'm guessing the House to recognizing BLR 70 fifth anniversary in March and Marty was not there when I started doing and go there. It is it has grown to something that is so needed in it she does such a good job to Marty thank you and Happy Birthday. President Wardlaw humana stay there or you want to present from your seat. Okay of. Members this is a going to be on a 40 to handed out right now on house bill 1034. We're handing those out and. When everybody gets a copy or any suspend the rules to hear this amendment to the vision of corrections appropriation I make a motion was chaired proper time. Yes. Okay I I think every member has a has a copy of this and I have a motion center Wardlaw suspend the rules to hear this Amendment and a second all those in favor say aye. Posay NO motion carries reserve Wardlaw you're recognized president amended house bill 1034 thank you Mr chair of view maybe an hour ago came to our attention you need to be a language change to make sure that we take care of our fallen A. L. C. members it while they're on the line of duty as you guys know we had a very sad event yesterday we had a dog sergeant they ran the searching of. Search team was all shot fatally injured yesterday so it brought to light that there needs to be some language change to make sure the director and board of correction had to some discretion on where they can apply the death benefit with that I've got the secretary here with me he can answer any questions from members but I appreciate the suspension of the rules and I think this is very well needed and I'm kind of glad we were in session so we can address this at this moment. I'm sit saying no no questions for members. Song would you like yes you like to say I was just like to publicly thank representa Wardlaw and leaders leadership and the General Assembly as a whole for letting this special language change come up when we realized there was a gap in the existing program that didn't address noncertified officers we wanted to make sure we had a mechanism in place to give all of our staff the respect in a hall formal thank you that they deserve so up personally on behalf of me and my staff I just want to thank each of you for considering this. Thank you Director graves of seeing no. Questions for members I have a motion to pass a motion to pass and a second all those in favor say aye opposed say no motion carries thank you. All right we're gonna we're gonna start off with Adam B. one and I believe there is a hand out. Coming soon as you. So you get the handout then we will need to suspend the rules are. For it as well. Members this is an amendment to house bill 1028 department of finance and administration the regulatory division this is amended by Senator stumpy I'm sorry Senator Stubblefield this is an amendment that adds new language concerning the assessment of vehicles and farm equipment and machinery and the language is made effective upon passage and approval. Senator Stubblefield you in the House. It is Senator Stubblefield here. Senator Rapert you're run this on behalf of centers that I had not planned on doing that I I just. Mister Senator Stubblefield tone we left Senate it he was so this would not be that today and tomorrow so that's all okay I believe that we're going to meet again tomorrow so that's what we were. We will pass over the want to make sure it's on the agenda for tomorrow. Now we're going to move on that B. 2 there is a hand out we wanted to suspend the rules. Miss Hamilton you're recognized. Thank you Mr chair this is for house bill 1056 this is DHS the secretary's office. This amendment adds new language requiring DHS to develop and implement a plan concerning employee engagement this is an amendment by Senator Hammer. Is the members all have the language. Okay wait for seconds. The. Can members I need a motion to suspend the rules to hear this I have a motion and a second all those in favor say aye opposed say no motion carry Senator Hammer you are recognized. Thank you Mr chairman members of the committee this is a Amendment worked with the department to get agreement upon from the original amendment that was filed the intent of this amendment is to bring the agency to bring a report as far as what they will do to look at improving the ability for employees to be able to provide feedback into the agency 1 of things we all know that we have a problem with is Department turnover within some of the agencies this is modelled somewhat after a piece of legislation was passed several years ago but did not make it into law and so what the agency and I work together to do is to develop a method where they would begin with the human development centers for the purpose of including employee input and develop a comprehensive report utilizing the opportunity for the employees to be able to give in point input and they would bring back to the plan December 1 of 2022 to the Legislative Council for us to review and the intent would be that this could be a model that could be then implemented into other agencies starting with this as a starting point as I mentioned work with the agency they are in agreement with it and they can come to the table if they would like to or anybody like to verify that I'll be glad to answer any questions. President Cavenaugh you're recognized thank you chairman of my questions Senator Hammer is during all this reports are going to be given as are they gonna be able to report to us on the number of management people we have verses meant how much actual workers we have C. and whether or not we're top heavy on them management and fewer people out in the field work. I believe so and once we were into dialogue on this matter the agency is actually established within the agency itself the beginning of this what this does is just bring a higher level of accountability and as you see in the comprehensive list of a through I I believe that it will be covered in that so that we can take a look at that as legislative branch and see you know where management is is as you said top heavy okay thank you thank you. Senator Hammer is this a one time reporter an annual report actually it is designed the intent would be that it would be an annual report as you notice in the language they can also secure outside assistance or consultants this was actually modeled also after what the department corrections which is supposed to be on the agenda after a while what they are doing working with you A. L. R. so this would create that Avenue for them to be able to utilize course that have come through here for you know assist financial proven all that but the intent would be will get that report on December first twenty two which is just before the general session so we can take that information model legislation moving forward with that report and if we do wanna make an annual one we can do it during the general session with them thank you any other members with questions. Our. Senator Hickey you're recognized yes Senator hammer on page one but says department may contract with an outside entity dating this. This is all subject are procurement laws as far as I'm getting ahead not at the back so up what's going to go that that's it yes I worked with the a reworked with mark white fact he helped draft this piece of legislation so it would be it would have to be in alignment with the procurement laws thank you Sir thank you. Seeing other questions do I have a motion from the Committee. I have a motion to pass. I have a second. I have a second I have a second all those in favor say aye. Posay NO. Motion carries thank measurement Hamidi. Moving on to be 3 members on page 11 in your packet B. 3. Miss having recognized thank you Mr chair Senate bill 54 to DHS Division of Medical Services this is an amendment by Senator Rice and representative Jett it adds new language concerning assisted living facility reimbursement for the accounting of home and community based funds. I represent. President Jeff or Senator Rice one of you guys going to center ice here comes okay. Senator Rapert you're recognized for a richer Terry Rice state center of. Members for a number of months of a group has been working with DHS own finding of. Information of what can be done there have been. Approximately 10 assisted living centers close in Arkansas there are some others that are in. Critical shape that has to do with the the rights in I'll be glad to go into this and and representative Jett come up if need be but beginning in and 2019 DHS implemented a phase in of 16. What 3 percent rate cut in living choices assisted living waiver over the same period the pressures of the market demand a workforce including a 29 percent minimum wage increase in inflation but the providers in a position to fail. And the as I said from the. 4 407 Arkansans out of their homes that today 12 facilities with over 500 our cans and will not survive without a sustainable Medicaid reimbursement rate this will force a 3 and 34 people who are employed by the these facilities out of a job. Back in November I as I said our group orders DHS to work with providers on a solution after months uh they came back with a recommendation it was 4 licenses title of the parties have it or agreement using wage rates for the Arkansas Health Center in lane county as a labor input in this change alone would have arrived at a at a rate that would have been adequate but now DHS. The in the last meeting is. The rights to use or not there these cost that are mandated to have. People in these homes include preparing meals housekeeping and laundry and required by the living choices assisted living waiver and rules of the program and DHS says at room and board is excluded and providers agree but what. What is meant by room and board in the providers argue that room equals sheltering Board equals the cost of groceries at least. That's what assets site covers for a person who does not live in assisting living center. Of documentation from neighboring states support this claim the proposed rate. As overhead costs for systems for the simply declining $65000 a year from the previous Milliman model after 3 years of inflation and 29 percent minimum wage increase today I present a special language to be considered for the Division of Medical Services appropriation the language simply requires DHS to make this right study a priority and report back to the General Assembly monthly on the progress that has been made into this matter has been resolved and I would just say I appreciate working with DHS and all we had a a short meeting. In the lobby while ago and they've got some ideas that will they'll be working on but this will take time so I would appreciate to adoption of this as we move forward. Okay I'm seeing no questions for members to the agency have anything any input. Seeing none no questions from members I have a motion I have a motion to pass in the second all those in favor say aye. Posay NO motion carries thank Mister committee of members I'm gonna jump out of line just a little bit of because a member has another commitment that I am aware of we're gonna jump to Adam B. 7. And there should there be a handout coming on Aug jump ahead so there should be handout coming for Adam B. 7 on administration Office of the Courts. That's best press. Samson you're recognized for B. 7. Members this is on page 31 in your packet. This is Senate bill 23 for administrative office of the courts for the court personnel section. And the amendment that's coming around a Senator Irvin as a code amendment concerning the salary of juvenile court probation officers. I'm. Do all members have a hand out. Okay I've got a motion for a I need to suspend the rules we have a motion and a second all those in favor say aye. Posay NO motion carries Senator Irvin you're recognized for item B. 7 thank you Mr chairman of the committee and members. If your call we passed sweeping juvenile justice reform policies which requires a risk assessment for the juvenile offenders as well as our families for our juvenile judges I'm back in 1989 the state put in money to reimburse counties for their juvenile officers probation officers that was $15000 and that was in 1989 and it has never been raised sense I'm so we worked with everybody including the governor's office to see if we could increase this because of dramatic turnover in juvenile probation officers as well as they are really the ones that are on the front lines working with these troubled youth and their the intake officers working at law enforcement officers work alongside them but they're actually the ones I have to do the arresting go into the homes and work with those juvenile offenders are on the front lines trying to make a difference in these young people's lives and trying to could keep them out of out of the system and out of prison so they work through the all they work with through the counties are employees of the counties so this will also help our counties and freeing up their abilities to retain these people who are trained and then to alleviate some of the stress that they're seen also in law enforcement this is only a pass through money through the administrative office of the courts and it's a reimbursement which is clearly audited and we've added language and therefore reporting of that some of these employees do not receive County benefits. Health benefits at all and summer just making $13000 and so it's hard to retain and keep those a juvenile probation officers so this is what is before you is to increase that 15000 to 20000 and again none of the money is retained administrative office of the course of all goes back to the county's every if they apply for those grants and and we have all of that data and information to be able to of a field of the requirements of the reporting language that's in this language as well. Is there anyone here with the AOC or definitely that has anything that like to add to that. I worked with just FYI I did work with justice Rhonda wood as she would have been here but she is having a medical procedure right now is she and I were together on this and and that with the Executive France's faulty Arkansas association of counties and they're here to be supportive as well. Representative love you're recognized for a question. Thank you Mr chair Senator Irvin number I was trying to read through this in I applaud the the increase to the $20000 have or are we are we insuring that the counties because here I mean some languages since you know half of the salary and have an intake offices average salary so are we are we are we actually. Provide half of the salary or it up to up to have some some counties aren't even paying the full $15000 we'll see there is not eligible then for the grants okay are so they're not paying if they're not paying the and they're not eligible for the grant okay right right I want to make sure that we weren't we weren't gonna raise the $5000 range from 15 to 20 and then they they all of a sudden say are wanna pay $5000 less on our side no no the the this is the this is really to increase it to encourage the counties to to really increase the juvenile probation officers salaries to retain them because again they're just extremely important to the juvenile justice policies and reforms that we passed and executing those in implementing those and working with those juveniles and their families so this is really going to help your counties particularly you know in areas where we have a lot of juvenile offenders and folks I mean it's you know it is increasing and unfortunately we're seeing so many more juveniles fall you know fall down and attachments not that have that they need to go down so these juvenile probation officers are really really important the courts in today's juvenile judges and so this is this is really a request on behalf of those juvenile judges and those counties right thank you thank you share thank you for the question. Represent Wardlaw you're recognized you Mr I'm I'm I think I'm okay with all this but how does this affect what we did yesterday or we moved they see court. Of personnel to Central Services we have anybody that can kind of explain that and does this cause an increase there because we're increasing somebody's line items. And Senator Hickey I think you were to sponsor that yes they can you speak to that. Well this this is totally separate from those the bill that we were that we ran yesterday had no no impact whatsoever on the revenues the reason is is that those funds are being collected in the A. O. J. are coming through fines there was a certain amount that was already allocated yearly it was a it was a set amount we transferred that we transferred him Central Services so going forward that money following but every compared off first that's correct so this is raising certain court personnel. So that's going to cause an increase out of Central Services now because they got moved is that not correct well this is this is totally different than yesterday this is different these these these different personnel that is correct they're totally separate this has nothing to do with I I'm I'm slow servers are in the letter he asserted. Okay but you are if you Mister chair I think but I believe you're correct there is go up there is going to be it appears like to me and I'm sent over trying to calculated there is going to be a fiscal impact to yes out of out of state Central Services with this Mr I follow. Yes you're recognized what do we know what that impact is under this $1100000 in and does this special language carry with the funding for that so we're at not in our budget now it's it's I I can let the FNA and responds to how this works. Because I had a lot of a similar question. Please state your name for the record you're recognized. Robert Brekken DFA. This would be an impact on central services but there if the balances and social services for more than enough to to take care of this we don't think will be a significant impact but it will be an impact of 1.1000000. I think. Thank you her name that was the point I was making in the beginning so thank you thank you Mr. Okay scene okay. Senator Hickey you're recognized just if you make where where do we get 1.one I said we're coming one want me to 50 and I know it's not a lot of a difference but not 5000 times the maximum number to 50. And what it's right here on and at the very first we we have the impact stated right there the very first I'm on the first page just look like to me that we took it up $5000 and then if you got dropped over to the second page about midway down for reimbursement on the requirements to 70 not exceed 250 positions. So we not have 250 positions now is that what were well some as some of the that's correct some of the some of the positions they don't they don't pay even $15000 so then they don't receive that money so it's based on the western only the situation with. It can explain better. The way the way I read The Amendment they could get up to $20000 but it's a more there is 15 to $20000 OR 0.5 of what their salary my. So would be the impact may not even be as much as as the 1.9000000. That makes sense thank you Sir. Sir. Representantes you're recognized thank you Mr make sure I understand you said while ago that the juvenile intake officers would work for the county even though they are part of the ministry of Office of the Courts is that they are not a part of the ministry of Office of the Courts they're they're county employees but the money it passes through the administrative office of the courts and they're the ones that have to do the reimbursement and match up to make sure that their salary is meets the criteria of this language and that they get reimbursed for this money so they're really just kind of but they don't get a dime for they don't keep any of the money for themselves it's just a pass through that goes to the county so they they would work for the sheriff's office is that correct are they certified police officers that are going to be assigned to there so there's like officers there certified juvenile probation officers that get their certification and we I have folks from the association of counties here that can answer a little bit more those questions but they work with our courts and our and our counties in their county employees okay one more one follow up this chair. So if the county employees under certified police officers that falls on the definition that falls on the definition of what we do is too great to 4 county and municipal employees are going to be on the overlap here with these officers being able to receive both no they're not certified law enforcement officers block misunderstood I thought you said they were certify their certified probation officers I think they're they're specialist under that under those definitions not certified law enforcement officers that they have a specialist of certification I'm not mistaken okay I understand thank you. Okay seeing no other questions for members. Do I have a motion. I have a motion to have a second. In a second all those in favor say aye. Opposed say no motion carries graduation Senator Irvin thank you members of the committee we're gonna get back on track now with Adam B. for this is on page 17 and 18 of your packet before 17 and 18 ms Hampton recognized. Members in your package you'll see a letter from the Arkansas game and fish commission although there are positions and appropriations changes within the letter we are just going to be discussing on page 18 the special language that is being requested to be added to their bill this is new language concerning enforcement salaries this language allow the Arkansas state game and fish commission to exceed the maximum annual salary of the positions listed here by no more than 20 percent and this according to the letter is to keep enforcement officer's compensation at all levels allow stable recruitment and to maximize the mission. Hi. Okay please please state your name for the record you're recognized good morning Mister chair and to the committee of Austin blues on the Director of the Arkansas game and fish commission I'm joined on my left by our CFO and wish you made and on my ride by colonel bred young who leads our enforcement division. Up for you all today is a very simple measure in our special language that would raise the caps of our enforcement division what this would do is it would allow us to keep the pace with the Arkansas state police as they implement their own increase pay plan for us this is not just about maintaining the strongest law enforcement partnership in the state between us and the state police but we have 150 a game wardens today we need 180 and they face the exact same compensation climat morale and societal challenges that every single other law enforcement officers. Wardlaw you're recognized motion is part time Mr. Okay. Senate questions from committee members I have a motion you're recognized represent Wardlaw. I have a motion to pass is there a second. There's a second all those in favor say aye opposed say no motion carries thank you guys for coming thank you Adam B. 5 page 22 Senator Dismang B. 5 page 20 to represent miss Hamilton you're recognized. Thank you Mr chairman this is amendment to Senate bill 45 for Department of transformation and shared services this is special language that amends the code regarding the implementation procedures for salary adjustments as a chair indicated this is amended by Senator Dismang. Send this man you're recognized. So thank you members distracts what well I guess would be the remainder of the coal language that we have a right now in code if you all remember there was an ability by the governor's office to in act 2 percent coal up and then also bonuses for those that were the top their pay scale could then also be given this is strike that language I would say that when we pass the merit based I have a program here in the state there was an understanding that we would do with the coals at that time in in the think this just reinforces what we thought to be the case when we we did pass the merit pay. I have to take any questions are there any questions for members. Seeing none I have a motion I have a second and a second all in favor say aye opposed say no motion carries we're gonna pass over B. 6 today. We've already heard B. 7 so we're going to be on to be 8 Senator Hammer. And just. Okay Senator Hammer you are recognized for Adam B. 8 it's on page 37 members Page 37 you're recognized Senator Hammer thank you Mr chairman brief explanation I met with the Director Solomon Schechter Sullivan while ago earlier and we have resolved without having to legislation on this I have is agreement because they've entered into a contract with you L. R. as I mentioned while ago and they are actually doing or beginning to what the bill or what the amendment would requested there are some things that are within the amendment that are not currently being looked at by you L. R. but I have his commitment that they will incorporate that into it because or have that under way with UALR so with that I wanna request that this be pulled off the agenda and I just have the director Secretary Solomon's of commitment that he will include those things and. Someone asked for pass oh but I want to give that explanation publicly thank you so much Senator Hammer so we're gonna pulldown B. 8 for the day Mr chairman yes go ahead and tell Senator Dismang I'd like pull my holds off a DHS budget and off of a department of corrections please pull those holds off thank you. All right so Adam B. 9 we're gonna pass over for the day will be on tomorrow's agenda item B. 10 is being pulled down. I am so we're gonna go to our final agenda item which is B. 11 on page 49 Senator Ballinger. Adam B. 11 on page 49 Misamis you're recognized. Thank you Mr chair of this is an amendment that has both an appropriation of 5.$8000000 for the senior citizen relief grants as a special language that accompanies the appropriation. Senator Ballinger you're recognized thank you Mr chair I mean this is pretty straightforward this is response to constituents I had a at 8 actually reach out by a couple different constituents there were actual both of mass be to eliminate the the food tax the state food tax on groceries and I of course complaint on that that's basically basically all but eliminated the food tax that is is on groceries now is is pretty much local and it isn't really while there may be a mechanism to prohibit them from collecting taxes that of course it would be a real burden on local government so what this is this is an effort to provide temporary relief that only lasts for one year to do our seniors on a fixed income who are suffering under hyperinflation so we know that that that you know everybody is suffering under hyperinflation that but the folks who are you know seniors on a fixed income they don't have the same flexibility not not that we don't have a lot of the people are hurting as well the same fact flexibility to be able to work past so this is great to mechanism of funding for the FNA to provide a grant that could provide the grants to eligible organization so this could be area agencies on aging but it could also be a charge the developed a program to do that the last one year just provide some some extra release I'm happy to answer any questions. Thank you Senator Ballinger represent Wardlaw you're recognized for a question. I'm still trying to gather on the thoughts but where is the 5.$8000000 coming from so that you would it would come from general revenue and and I'll tell you that the the money we we were having debate about funding of the of public television all that kind of stuff and and so this this number you know if we do have any savings for public television we applied to that for just take out of general revenue either way but from my standpoint if the there's definitely some things that we find a state government that I think are probably less important than make sure that our grandma type groceries and compare the energy bill. Mr I have a little latitude. So. Any time I propose any kind of cut personally I would come with actually where I'm going to gather the revenue from so I would really like to hear before I'd be comfortable enough to see this move forward is exactly we're gonna get 5.$883000000 from and are you gonna take it from PBS or not pass on PBS or we're going to take it from somewhere else well we need a solution for the dockers so so I'm I'm cool I'm game with that if that's what we're gonna do I'm also good with with taking it out of the the long term constructive Reserve Fund rather than putting more money into that you know fund are are rambles grandpas but but really honestly from my standpoint you're not answer my question it I understand you're cool with whatever I need to know where you're going to pull this calendar from are you going to pull it from PBS regal pull it from long term reserve I mean this is your amendments not Amendment so where we funding this amendment from so just like just like any other amendment that has additional revenue it's it's a it's a matter that will need to try to work through when we do the when we do the the. The final RSA so I'm from my standpoint if if we can pull it out of a portion of of the PBS budget I'm perfectly fine with that if if this is a one time basis that we inquire previous budget amount well there's actually this is not the the entire previous budget they have a distal preparation but this is part of it for sure now it you know it if if this committee has some interest in and reducing this amount and providing something something else I just would like to see some mechanism that we can walk out of here and provide some relief to to my constituents or feeling pinched that's hard for me to vote for. Things like the PPS preparation which well you know the big part is is important and I like the high school football games there's a lot of things out there like whether or not our elderly have food that I think is probably more important. So madam chair I think I got discussion at the time that there's a motion so if you don't mind coming back to me at that point please yes they'll be fine. Representative Cavenaugh you're recognized okay Senator Ballinger my question is a lot of times when we have these third parties administer these programs and I'm all for helping our elderly because those on a limited income or the ones that get hurt the most specially during this time of inflation but a lot of times we find these organizations take big fees in for administrating this is there any mechanism that limits how much money these organizations whatever they might be limits how much are actually able to take away from what would actually go to the people that would benefit from this yeah we have to work with the affidavit to to do that as part of the rulemaking so within the rule making that would the either established some some percentage that they could get take for administrative or or maybe limit it completely so yeah the legislative process in approval of the rules will be how we have oversight in that process we need to sit down with with the DFA as they develop the the rules for this grant N. as this program might go on is there going to be legislative oversight to where we continually able to look at it so that it doesn't just become a program and then becomes an issue that we don't ever see well that the best oversight of this is that ends after year so you know if we're going to we're going to renew it they will have the opportunity to to do that but the rule making any kind of changes would have to come before us thank you. Senator Dismang you're recognized I'm just curious how many folks in state of Arkansas are above the age 65. That is a the I don't know exactly that number but my my guess is that were probably talking pushing around maybe it'd be over 500000 I I would think so too so then we're talking about how much to administer this program to what did I tell 0 but you know that number obviously could change with $6000000. So how much is that what do you think on average each individual of the age 65 is going to received by your plan well so it's not a direct distribution to 2 every person over 65 so the funds would go to some organization that has set up a program to work with the elderly to provide them food to buy them you know like meals on wheels and yeah exactly which is our grant programs we already have established in the state of Arkansas with appropriations that are not fully filled in the State of Arkansas so there's already this mechanism in place to do exactly what you're talking about doing so meals on wheels is a specific program what I'm talking about is like if a program has a has a has a system set up where people can come and say look I've got I I got X. amount of dollars and I can only pay so much means a bill is X. X. plus Y. and they can come in and provide a mechanism provide for the why if if it is a matter buying groceries not on bills on wheels or buying groceries it would be a mechanism to and these folks are one to their income is fixed and you know we sponsor reading what you're saying right I mean I'm reading your bill and I'm listening to what you're saying and I was going to it so when I read the bill I think the number one thing is was getting this 5.8000000000 or 0 into the bill and then then after I look through it it's very clumsily put together so that if I'm just being honest I don't think you know how it's going to work we keep saying we're gonna allow DFA to promulgate something but we don't know what that is we don't know what organizations is going to go to it's not perhaps going to go to the organizations that we are established state of Arkansas and supported previously. And I I. For a minute at. And we want to end I mean we're talking about so there's 500000 maybe $10 people are you know per person at most well I'm in that every single performance allows organizations to take a management fee for administrating the programs I mean what what we again I mean that that whole as a whole is something I don't know what it is but exactly maybe you can kind of pass it along but I I don't believe that is most likely the intent that's written inside this particular piece of special language with that thank you. Senator Ballinger you have anything else now I just you know this is the thing is that this is a direct response to to constituents as expressed a need expressed the pain that they're feeling be impinged and I do believe that serve Arkansas spends money on things but less important are saying that our seniors and that's what I think this is is a reasonable way to do it we would lean on the FNA to to put the rules together like we discussed and and be real poor that they'd be done appropriately but I believe that you do. Thank you. Is that is the if any there anything you wanna add to this. No. All right. Senator Dismang you're recognized and also like to ask why we're passing over Adam B. 9 I mean that we're here we're working it's time to get our work done we passed over yesterday's we passing over today I'd like to get whatever this is you know behind this and would have that discussion is that something you'd be comfortable with it so the answer to that is I'm happy to have the discussion but the problem is that there's a little confusion this morning about how the language with would interact with the governor's letter and so in order to do the amendment appropriately we have to wait for the governor's letter language of government the letter to get engrossed in the bill which we can do that by tomorrow so that that's why I'm I'm happy to have discussion about what we're doing with the language itself has to be consistent with what what you all did through what will happen those that were here yesterday did when we were working yesterday and special language sorry Mr blinder also been here thank you. Okay seeing no other questions. I have a motion for the committee. I have a motion from the Committee. Seeing none this amendment dies for lack of motion. And we're gonna go back to Adam the one that was skipped over earlier I think we're gonna recognize representative Wardlaw to present this it's on page one of your hand out. And so are we handing something out right now so what's members all get a hand out just get a brief second to look at it will suspend the rules and proceed. This. This is a new. Right. All right members I think we all have a copy I need a motion to suspend the rules I got a motion and a second all those in favor say aye. Posay NO motion carries representative will Wardlaw you are recognized to present Adam B. one. Missed Baxley hang on Sam's and you need to go first okay represent Wardlaw. Thank you Mr you guys are all aware of the shortage of vehicles at the current moment and calls the use market to go sky rocketed we've all been either victim are a award winner in that section I come to the attention it personal property taxes we're going to go up to reflect that increase in used car value what this bill are with this language would do would freeze that to the 2020 assessment and it don't know going to freeze it to you and if you guys follow me down to section 22 it's going to freeze it to. To December of 23 so what that does is gives enough time for this chip shortage to work itself out that way to vehicle that you could come back down to a reasonable amount and therefore our constituents are paying an inflated property tax value on those vehicles with that Mr I'd be glad take any questions as you guys see the amendment did change are we were we extracted all the farm equipment a language out of there because there is not an increase there so that that language was taken out. President. Represent J. you're recognized. Thank Mr at the proper time elective association account is come down as couple questions about this with them please. Someone for association counties please come for. Please state your name for the record you're recognized. Thank you Mr chairman I was Lindsey French with the association of Arkansas counties. Thank Mister chairman. Probably one is from a little more but this does not have so but I'm curious about do you have thought unintended consequences you know of out there floating around that we enact this. I have not seen the stress that's been been passed out so I'm not exactly sure what what is on this final draft of the amendment. Is it. Can I speak to Mister can ask the sponsor question. What is that. Is this the same pretty much the same draft what what's the difference on dress she just took a picture of this exact language she seen this language. I just wanna make sure. I just wanna be clear she just took a photo of it I have had discussions with representative work will not. Yes. I was apprehensive about her photo taken ability which enter of. I mean I'm of what we're doing here I just wanna make sure that we're not done something that's going to come back and have to come back and do something else down the road. Cause unintended consequences. So. See in this new language. If the vehicle is assessed in in 2020 and assessed and county or 2022. The value in 2022 shall not be heard its us 0 20211 potential issue I see and 1 that's been brought up from assessors that I've spoken with is what if the vehicle is assessed by different taxpayer. If 1 person owned it in 2020 and another person owns it in 2022 I don't know that there's a mechanism to tie the vehicle to its 2020 value so maybe some language if it's on the same taxpayer's tax bill the other unintended consequence I can see is when it does go back up to its fair market value after the special language expires I think you're taxpayers are going to see an extreme jump if the market doesn't work itself out those are the. Concerns that I see and I've heard from our sisters. Thank you a Mister recognised the event the same question. Yes it would if I could for please. Unless a Senator Hickey did you have a question for association of counties. Okay what. Okay Senator Hickey you're recognized you will definitely come for a and again I don't know who my question is just more of a thought since we just looking at this and we're saying that vehicle if if something is modified renovated or things of that nature. Did it does that include are we going or is the assessment what then or is it still stay at the old value so I guess if there's no change in the in it you know somebody has a a semi or something like that and totally goes through the thing modifies it and does all that and the assessment should go up are we going to do it or we just gonna leave it there no matter what so just something to consider again I. Currently I don't have any issues with it other than just that just sitting here trying to think through it on the minute's notice. Okay representative Jett if you hit your button again. Thank you Mr chairman if you don't carry the same question do you do you see any proceeding under 10:00 unintended consequences with the wellness Reserve chat we have similar concerns about how the county would deal with the increased values going forward going through a. Required a mandatory reassessment. Our process over time the values going to catch up I mean there there is provisions within the county assessor that they can. Determine individual value they can make adjustments and County board of equalization can can do that at the local level are we provide values based on a services subscription that we. Require at the state level we provide that's all the county so there's consistent values across the state so. At some point it has to it'll have to balance out. Thank you Mr chairman. Question representative Cavenaugh you're recognized thank you this is really for the sponsor but thank you at. Representa Wardlaw why did we not use 2021 why did we use 2020. For the value to keep it at. Thank. That's a good question there were some meetings that went along with the session the counties that the sponsor Senator Stubblefield was privy to and I think there were some agreements to that year I was not a privy to those conversations so I cannot answer those questions but I I've. Told that that's where that year came from. A follow up so. Is it my understanding that the counties don't have to raise if they don't want to because each county is bound they can assess it whatever they want to assess and they don't have to raise it up automatically by 2030 percent whatever it is that not correct. That that's true of went through this fight with chicken houses a few years ago and we learned that the assessment coordination board can actually go after the county so therefore if they chose not to they be liable for those audits and that would not be good for your county so we need this language to ensure that the Cessna Court nation board cannot go after these counties for that. Thank you. I'm seeing no further questions from members I have a motion to pass I have a motion to pass and the second all those in favor say aye. Opposed say no. Motion carries. Okay. Members the members to the following bills are released from the special language subcommittee back to joint budget H. B. 1028 H. B. 1056 SBP for SP 12 SP 45 SP 23 H. B. 1034 SP 64 H. B. 1070. And members I. The current plan is for special language to meet tomorrow 30 minutes upon adjournment of budget so we're not going to session till 2:00 in the afternoon so 30 minutes upon the adjournment of budget so maybe we hang around in here I don't think budgets gonna take long once special language 30 minutes Bonn Germany budget tomorrow thank you.