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Representative Kelley Linck
Unverified
0:00
Look through your packet and found this resolution. It's a fairly lengthy resolution and I'm not certainly not going to sit here and read the whole thing unless you request it of course. We've got a situation in Arkansas and it mainly affects North Arkansas with the White River system that our federal hatcheries are there's some concern about funding them in the federal budget and we've got a number of people here that would like to testify and explain why the effects that would have on the economy
and such. I can word that fairly easily. If the federal system does not figure out how to fund the hatcheries, we'll have a scenic drainage ditch in north Arkansas that will be of very little use. And the water flowing from the bottom of the dam is too cold to support other fisheries. Trout is our only option. Fifty years ago, the federal government mitigated that when they built the dams that they would provide a suitable fish for those rivers and now they're having trouble
figuring out how they're going to do that but we have a lot of numbers that will help explain why it's a great idea to support it with your permission there's some folks here that would like to speak on it better than I could I think Leon Alexander might be justice of the peace from the area might be the first that would be able to explain some of this better. If you would,
Speaker 2
1:35
sir, please state your name and who you're with for the record.
Leon Alexander
Unverified
1:40
Yes, my name is Leon Alexander. I'm a Baxter County Justice of the Peace. I also represent the Friends of the Hatchery, Friends of the Norfolk National Fish Hatchery. We have a Memorandum of Understanding with U.S. Fish and Wildlife, and pretty much talk to the hatchery on a regular basis, certainly on a weekly basis, and we're quite concerned about this. Would you like me to go ahead and proceed? Yeah, okay. First of all, I'd like to thank you for the opportunity to be here.
This is my first experience with this type of committee, and I certainly appreciate the opportunity to be here. The long story short, if I could possibly make it this, is that the U.S. Fish and Wildlife has a total of 70 hatcheries in the federal system, nine of which are dedicated to mitigation. That is to say that they are there because they have put in a Corps of Engineers dam
has been placed there, and the native fish have been, they're not being able to survive, so they have put in these hatcheries in order to do that. The Fish and Wildlife has been funding the mitigation hatcheries. Their feeling is that the Corps of Engineers should be paying for the mitigation. In other words, they should be paying for the operation of these hatcheries. So there's where the conflict is.
And it's a very real situation because if they fail to reach an agreement, then these hatcheries, these nine hatcheries, six of which are in the southeast, and two of them which are in Arkansas, which is Greer's Ferry and Norfolk, and it would have, if they close, it would have a devastating impact on not only Baxter County but also on the state of Arkansas. And I'd like to share just a few pieces of information with you.
This came from, let me identify the source of this information. There was a paper written in February 2011 from the southeast region of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife, and it's labeled impacts of a reduction in fish production from service trout mitigation hatcheries in the southeast. And they have them identified by Greer's Ferry and North Fork. And there are several categories, and at this point I'm just more interested in letting
you know the impact, the loss that we would have to the economy, to our economy, if these hatcheries are closed. First of all, the cost of operation of these two hatcheries is about one and a half million dollars for the two. The total economic output, though, is $158 million. That's about $102 return for every dollar spent on the hatchery.
The state and local income tax, revenue tax, is over $5 million. That's coming to the state of Arkansas. A lot of that comes to our local community there in Baxter County. For the federal income tax, there's over $5 million going back to the federal income. So what we have here, again, is we've got $1.5 million cost, a $5 million return just in taxes. That's hard money. We also have jobs that are generated by the various associate industries.
Between the two, 1,746 jobs are created, and that mainly is in Arkansas. We're talking about Arkansas jobs that if these two hatcheries were to close. Retail expenditures, $84 million. So you can see, now, you know, Baxter County, we're not very large, and we only have about a $13 million budget. So you can see the impact that this would have. And I might just make a little side note here, too, that the Norfolk Fish Hatchery,
not only does it provide mitigation trout for all the sportsmen that come there, but it's also a source of tourism. Almost everyone that comes to Baxter County, the first thing they want to go see is the hatchery. And the hatchery averages 280,000 visitors a year. So not all of these people are fishermen. So when you start trying to look at the impact that closing of this hatchery would cause,
Chair
Unverified
6:32
I mean, it's going to ripple out well past these figures that I think that I have given you.
Representative David "Bubba" Powers
Unverified
6:45
Any questions? Vice Chair Powers, you're recognized. Thank you, Madam Chair. Mr. Alexander, I just want to make sure that I understand, specifically, we're not talking about a budget cut. We're talking about absolutely shutting down the funding completely. Is that the proposal, or is it just being talked about? No, sir.
Leon Alexander
Unverified
7:02
The U.S. Fish and Wildlife in the 2012 budget, that money of $6.3 million to operate these nine hatcheries, that's what the total cost to operate those nine mitigation hatcheries. That money is not in the 2012 budget under the U.S. Fish
Representative David "Bubba" Powers
Unverified
7:20
and Wildlife. I understand. And I'm sure that you've spoken and had many conversations with our congressional delegation, and they're doing everything they can to be helpful.
Leon Alexander
Unverified
7:33
Absolutely, and I've talked to our senator and to our District 1 U.S. representative also. All right, thank you. I'm in complete support of your resolution.
Representative David "Bubba" Powers
Unverified
7:43
Thank you. Thank you very much. Representative Benedict I don't have
Representative Lori Benedict
Unverified
7:55
a good thank you madam chair I do not have a question for you mr. Alexander but I just want to make the comment that like
Norfolk the hatchery the river this is in my district this is one of the most beautiful areas in Arkansas the figures are accurate to close this would be an absolute devastation for the mere little cost of money that the federal government is talking about it's a drop in the bucket for them it's an enormous disaster for the state of Arkansas. I appreciate you helping a good vote on this. It's just a resolution, but we sure appreciate your help. Thank
Speaker 24
8:33
you. Representative Walker. I, too, share the support.
I, too, support the proposition. I'm just curious, though, are there
Representative John W. Walker
Unverified
8:39
other Hatcherists in other counties in Arkansas that are slated for funding cuts? I believe if there are
Leon Alexander
Unverified
8:46
any state hatcheries, I believe the Game and Fish could address that. As far as the federal hatcheries, which is what we're talking about here, there's only the two mitigation hatcheries, and that is certainly something you need to put in your thinking, is that the reason they're being closed is because they are mitigation.
They are not there for support. These are federally funded total? That is correct. And those are the only? The only two mitigation hatcheries in
Representative John W. Walker
Unverified
9:23
the state of Arkansas. I would like to ask of the game and fish, what happens to the hatcheries in Lone Oak County and the southeastern counties where there are other kinds of fish that may be in for reductions as well
if the budget cuts are are taken would one have you been a physician answer that question does anyone from
Chair
Unverified
9:51
game and fish want to come up and answer the question if you would please state your
Speaker 30
10:05
name for the record thank you madam chairman representative Walker to address your specific would you please say your name yes ma'am I'm sorry Lauren Hitchcock I'm director of Game and Fish Commission. The resolution talked about here today will not have a
direct impact on our warm water hatcheries across the state. We have one cold water hatchery at Mammoth Springs. Unfortunately, we do receive our trout fingerlings, small stockers, from these two hatcheries at North Fork and Greer's ferry so it would impact our cold water trout production and we'd have to totally go about trout management in a different way than we have for the last uh 55 years so it would impact that
but for the lone oak hatchery and our other warm water hatcheries it wouldn't have any impact at all we're not under the same budget constraints and we're not receiving the federal budget cuts that the federal hatchery there in question are but what you're saying is that would
Representative John W. Walker
Unverified
11:08
have an impact upon you all it would have an impact
Speaker 30
11:11
on our trout fishery yes sir but not our warm
Representative John W. Walker
Unverified
11:14
water hatchery and it would have an economic impact on those counties outside of Baxter County as well oh yes sir which would be an additional reason for supporting what you what is being
proposed absolutely thank you representative hammer I'm
not sure who to direct this question to and maybe it was touched on just a second ago but for clarification purposes for such a revenue for such a strong revenue source to the state and what appears to be almost a self-sufficient supported tax effort what reasons are they giving you for wanting to cut it out of the budget
have they have they given you some specific reasons given the economic strength that this is if
Leon Alexander
Unverified
12:09
I may be just really blunt but could you please say your name on Alexander and here you're with with Baxter County Justice of the Peace thank you okay I'm going to be blunt on this one the it is a bit of a conflict, budget conflict between the Department of Interior, which is U.S. Fish and Wildlife,
and the Department of Defense, which is the Army Corps of Engineers. The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Department of Interior has a small budget. Department of Defense has a huge budget, and the mitigation hatchery, the reason for the mitigation hatcheries are because of the dam. So for many years, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife have been trying to negotiate with the Corps of Engineers to accept the responsibility and pay for the operation of that, of those
hatcheries. So there's where the conflict is. May I? So basically, you're caught in the middle. Yes. And the bad part about it is that the Department, I mean, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife basically has put the hatcheries on the block. I mean, we're talking about the agency that owns them basically is saying we're not going to fund them. So I mean, it's really a very, very serious problem because it's not like having someone,
the department or that particular agency supporting and trying to maintain them, they're the ones that have actually put it on the block. Motion at a
Representative David "Bubba" Powers
Unverified
13:59
proper time if you don't already, please. Vice Chair Powers, you're recognized. Oh, I just really want to get to the bottom line here because I think we're all in support of this. But in essence, the economic impact to your area and this state and the budget cut, it just makes absolutely no sense from what, from a big picture point
of view, and I think that's where we're all getting here. For the money that is derived for this area in the state of Arkansas, this $6 million or whatever it is, it's almost impossible to believe that the big picture is to take this away. I mean, you know, I'm I'm not an economist, but I think what we derive from these hatcheries is just too valuable
of an economic engine for us to
Leon Alexander
Unverified
14:57
let go. The economy of Baxter County would be absolutely, totally devastated if the Norfolk National Fish Hatchery closed. You addressed how many fish we're talking about. The Norfolk National Fish Atchery produces about 1.8 million trout per year, 1.8 million trout per year, 80 percent of those go into Arkansas waters.
A large portion of them go right into the Norfolk and the White Rivers which are in Baxter County. So if that goes away, the trout fishing as we know it will not be sustained and it will die out in a very, very short period of time, and so will the economy. And the other thing, just this talking about it, just this conversation that's going on now, it hurts the reputation. People want to come here, want to come to Baxter County to do trout fishing, but if
we've got this sickle or sword hanging over our necks that we may not be there, it really hurts the reputation, not only for the immediate future, but for the long term. So
Speaker 4
16:07
we need support is what we need. We need absolute support to maintain a reputation and maintain
Representative David "Bubba" Powers
Unverified
16:14
these hatcheries. And finally, I'm understanding that it's not just Arkansas that would be involved in this cut. It's
Leon Alexander
Unverified
16:22
throughout the country. Yes, sir. Again, there's nine hatcheries involved, six of which are in the southeast.
And I'm not sure whether I think one of them is in Montana, and I'm not sure
Representative David "Bubba" Powers
Unverified
16:35
where the other one is. All right. I appreciate your input, and thank
Chair
Unverified
16:44
you for being here. Thank you. Representative Hickerson. Motion at the proper time. Okay. We have several people that have signed up to speak for this,
Speaker 47
16:51
so if it's okay with the committee, I'll just call their names out. First up is Mike Armstrong.
Speaker 50
16:57
I'll defer. I think everything's been said by – I'm Mike Armstrong with Arkansas Game and Fish Commission.
Okay. Okay. Richard Davies. Same from Parks and Tourism.
Speaker 26
17:07
Our commission is in favor of it. Okay. Tammy Harris. Thank you, Matt. Thank
Speaker 56
17:18
you, Madam Chairman. Just briefly. Do you please state
Speaker 2
17:23
your name and who you're with for the record?
Speaker 57
17:26
I'm Tammy Harris. I've met some of you. I'm an attorney with the Arkansas Public Defender Commission, but I'm actually here because I am a resident of Heber Springs from Clebron County
where the Greer Sperry Dam and Hatchery is. And I would just like to say on behalf of Clebron County where the hatchery is located that as the resolution states, Heber Springs would stand to lose 752 jobs. And Clebron County has recently lost several jobs because we've had an industry that has closed. and the devastation to Clebron County if the hatchery were to close there would be devastating as well. We've had industry come in with the Fayetteville shell that's come in
and one of the big draws to the oil industry and the gas industry that's come in is the trout fishing. And so on behalf of Clebron County, just as an individual, I would ask that you support this resolution. Thank you. Steve Rains. my name
Steve Rains
Unverified
18:35
is Steve rains I own one of the businesses his place resort on the White
River I also am the past mayor of the city of Cotter which is named trout capital USA also represent the outfitters up and down the white Norfolk River which there are dozens of we are in support of this resolution you're talking about dozens of businesses up and down the river which generate over 45 million dollars just in wage-based general wage-based income for the area I'm not a economist either like the other representative but if I could
get a hundred two dollar return on every dollar I invested I'd have to fight off a lot of people to do that why we're talking about cutting such a strong impact on our economy. I have no idea. The other one that is, as Mr. Alexander noted, is that if you take the governor's conference last year on tourism, Ozark Mountain region, Baxter, Marion, Boone, those counties up in there, their total income, tourist-based income was 310 million dollars. If Arkansas trout
fishing is one is 158 million over half of the tourism industry in northern Arkansas in the Ozark Mountain region is directed directly towards trout we're in hope that you all support this resolution that mr. link has placed out and we thank you very much for your time no further questions
Chair
Unverified
20:08
representative link would you like to close for your resolution thank you
Representative Kelley Linck
Unverified
20:13
for you for the time and listening and hearing the concerns, and I have closed my resolution.
Representative Summers. I'm sorry, Representative Lake, Madam Chairman. I didn't make my request known, but I'd like to strongly urge a committee to support this for several reasons. I live in northwest Arkansas, and we constantly have numbers of people from Oklahoma, Missouri, and all over going over to spend dollars in that area. And, of course, the White River starts up in northwest Arkansas, so I know you all appreciate that part of it. But I also know that the fishing in that area is a strong recruitment area for, I guess there's kind of like a witness relocation program,
but it's Chicago people being relocated in north central Arkansas. Those folks bring their resources, they build houses, they buy things, and I suspect everyone will be for this. but I certainly appreciate all the support that's here in Representative Link running this resolution, and thank you, Madam Chair. Again, thank you. Without any other questions, I close. Representative Hammer, you're recognized. I'd
Chair
Unverified
21:21
like to make a motion to do pass, please.
We have a motion to do pass. All in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed, say no. Resolution passes. Thank you, Representative Link. Thank you very much Next up we have representative vines to present house bill 1420 representative vines you're recognized Thank you
Representative John T. Vines
Unverified
22:01
madam chair and committee. I appreciate the opportunity to come in today. I
Didn't know I was going to draw this kind of crowd when I brought this bill in here House Bill 1420 was a bill that was that amends part of the code that was enacted back in 03 one of my predecessors came up with this identification card one of my predecessors in the Hot Springs representing Garland County came up with this identification card program and all this bill does is amends language in line 33 to add grandparent
and or sibling over the age of 18, years of age. The reason that amendment's needed is in this day and time, so many of our parents work, have jobs, have conflicts. This is simply a consumer-friendly bill to allow more usage of the program. There are, and I hope we have an impact statement. I don't know if that was made available to you. I hope it was. There's no revenue impact, no taxpayer impact, But the good item I want to refer you to on that impact statement is the fact that there are currently 6,840 identification cards.
And I think we all think that's a good thing. And we want to build upon that and allow as many of these cards to get out for the 5 to 13-year-olds. Again, all this bill does is expand who can go
Representative John W. Walker
Unverified
23:37
cards. And I'd be happy to answer any questions. A few years ago, there was an act allowing grandparents to have some visitation rights
with grandchildren. I'm a grandparent, so obviously I'd like that, but I think it was generated by a local judge who's now since deceased, and it created a problem because a number of the parents, I think his own children, didn't want him to be involved in the lives of their children. Does this in a way give a, or at least deny a parent a right to keep a grandparent from
this particular singular act meaning it seems to allow grandparents to do something that a parent may not want done therefore creating a possible conflict between the parent and the grandparent so i'm trying to find out whether or not we're creating a statutory right to allow a grandparent to do something that may be in conflict with the parents wishes that that thank
Representative John T. Vines
Unverified
24:50
you representative walker that is not
the intent of this whatsoever This is simply to allow more of these cards to get promoted.
It has nothing to do. There's no ties to that, and I'm vaguely familiar with the act you're talking about, but this has absolutely nothing to do with that. This is just a simple way to, in modern times, as my wife and I both work, and it would probably be hard for either one of us to accompany my 5-year-old down to get an identification card, and this
just allows her papa or her big D to go down with her and get that.
Representative John W. Walker
Unverified
25:26
So the judge was Tom Digbit comes to me, and there was a Supreme Court case which I think
established the principle that the grandparent has no rights, that the grandparent has privileges. Okay. And I understand the intent of this, but laws sometimes like this may allow rights to creep in and therefore create other problems. I'm in favor of this. Don't misunderstand me. No, I understand. I think that before it goes further, perhaps that digby case and the Supreme Court case ought to be reviewed.
Representative John T. Vines
Unverified
26:06
Okay. Well, and I appreciate your comments. The simple focus of this bill is to get ID cards. It doesn't have a thing to do with visitation, custody, guardianship, any of those other family law-type situations. This is simply a way to expand the pool and grow these identification cards that I think are vital for so many of our youth now. I mean, everyone's so active and around and everything, and I don't think it's a bad thing. I think this can only be a good thing. Representative
Speaker 73
26:38
Meeks. thank you madam chair I'm concerned like
Speaker 74
26:41
representative Walker is over there about you know again creating that conflict of where you have a parent that may not want their child to have an ID card and that sibling or that grandparent takes many ways what do you know what the ID card would
Speaker 76
26:57
be used for at that young of an age Why would somebody that young really absolutely need an ID card? Currently, the nearly
Representative John T. Vines
Unverified
27:09
7,000, you're talking about the ones that are already out there?
Speaker 74
27:14
Well, I mean, I'm talking about for that young of an age, persons 5 to 13. I mean, what would
Representative John T. Vines
Unverified
27:22
be the – would there be any use? I think it was more of a safety issue. Sure. And if the chair will
permit, I will bring the 2003 sponsor to the table to answer that question. If
Speaker 2
27:35
you would please say your name for the record and
Speaker 81
27:43
who you're with. Will you turn your mic on?
Speaker 83
27:46
I'm sorry. Bob Mathis from Hotspur Rings. This is my state representative. We passed this bill back in 2003 as a result of what happened in 2001. In fact, the National Park Service, the person who was involved with Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts and everything, we didn't have a method of having IDs like to go into Canada and other places. So some other states have this. This works just like a driver's license. If something happens to that child, if they were kidnapped or anything would happen,
this is like having a regular driver's license. That could be nationwide in a matter of seconds. Whereas if you go to Walmart and get one of these ID cards, I mean, it takes forever to try to get that to the proper law enforcement officials. So that's one of the things. And the way it is right now, parents, most of them work, and it's almost impossible because the hours of operation of where you get your driver's license,
They're always closed when people get off work. So it's a child safety issue is one of the main things involved on this. And I can't foresee any problem. The reason we want a grandparent to do it is just like in my case, my granddaughter is six years old now, and we've not been able to get her an ID card because my daughter and my son-in-law, they're always working at the same time. This happens. My wife's retired. and get this thing passed, you'll be able to take the grandchild down there
and get this ID card. It's only $5, and it lasts for two years. And we've talked with the State Department of Education. One of the main things about this is that no one knows about it. If people knew about it, most people, when they find out about it, they're very enthused about doing this. So the State Department of Education, they've agreed, if we pass this, to send notification letters out to all the school districts in the state. There's going to be a way to private schools, public schools, and they even look about as far as people that are homeschooled,
try to get this information out to them because this is not officially part of the governor's package, but when I talk to them about it, they certainly have endorsed this legislation. Right, but
Speaker 74
30:04
again, my concern is with what Representative Walker said, where you could have a divorce situation and you have one parent who may be for whatever reason against getting an ID card. You have another parent who might be for it, and they might say, well, now that we've got this law, have one of the grandparents go and get it, and then you have a big mess that there's a possibility here.
I'm not saying that will happen, but there's always that possibility with all the different situations that you have that there could be this conflict, and by using this law, they could get around some things. I can't understand for the life of me why someone would not want one
Speaker 83
30:44
for their child. I mean, it's just. I mean, I would agree with you. Yeah.
Speaker 74
30:49
But I know, you know, that sometimes there's, you know, there's going to be some people and for whatever reason do not want their child to have an ID card.
I mean, there's just there's people out there, you know, whether, you know, it be for religious reasons or personal reasons or whatever the case would be. I'm sure that in the state of Arkansas with 2.9 million people, you're going to have somebody somewhere along the way that does not want their child that young to have an ID card. They don't have to get it then because you have
Speaker 82
31:17
to have a birth certificate to take with you, and normally it would be the parents that
Speaker 83
31:21
would be in charge of having that birth certificate. The grandparents are not going to be able to get that. The parent would have to get that through the health department if they didn't have one. Right, but the sibling could.
Speaker 74
31:32
I mean, the sibling could go into the parents, you know, if they've got it hidden in their room or whatever the case would be, that sibling could go and grab that birth certificate and
Speaker 82
31:41
go down there. So they did. I mean, what difference would it make if they did?
Chair
Unverified
31:45
I mean, I don't understand your point on that. I really don't. Representative Meeks, do you have a question? Yeah, I'm fine.
I'm just, you know. Representative Hammer, you're recognized. I think you just addressed my question, point of clarification. You can't get one of these identification cards unless you have proper documentation. If you're a grandparent, sibling, and as a parent, it's
our responsibility keep track of those important documentation but you can't get a card unless you present that is that correct you think you can't just grab
Representative John T. Vines
Unverified
32:10
a five-year-old and take them down and get them an ID card I'm gonna have the documentation
Representative Efrem Elliott
Unverified
32:28
with it just wanted to clarify that thank you representative Elliott you're recognized motion
Representative David "Bubba" Powers
Unverified
32:33
at the proper time Representative or Vice Chair Powers. Thank you. Let me see. I don't suspect that anything in a family law court would be superseded by this.
I'm certain that's true. Would you answer that, Representative Vines? Yes. There is nothing that would
Representative John T. Vines
Unverified
32:49
supersede any court's ruling whatsoever. Well, and let me
Representative David "Bubba" Powers
Unverified
32:54
throw this hypothetical out to you, and maybe you can answer this for me. Suppose that there was someone somewhere that didn't want their child to have an ID card, and the birth certificate were wrangled, and sibling took the child down there,
or grandparent took the child down there, and they came home with an ID card. Would it be possible for those grandparents I mean those parents to throw that card in the trash And be shed of it If they didn't want it I
Representative John T. Vines
Unverified
33:29
would assume so and again it's a two year Duration so it's not going to be Perpetually in the city But if they threw it in
Representative David "Bubba" Powers
Unverified
33:35
the trash they don't have an ID card Do they? No. I'd probably shred it It's not a huge
hill to climb to get rid of it Okay Thank you Representative Williams
Representative Darrin Williams
Unverified
33:46
Thank you Madam Chair Mr. Bynes, this card within itself, just the card, let's say we have a card, what right does that establish for
a, say a grandparent takes someone down and get a card, what right does the card
Representative John T. Vines
Unverified
34:02
itself establish? I don't think any right, it's just my understanding is basically they're basic information who
Representative Darrin Williams
Unverified
34:08
they are and where they live. And so it doesn't establish any visitation rights, it doesn't establish any
other rights, correct? No. So if there was a situation where a family was in dispute over who, over
grandparent taking someone to get the card, I would assume that that family's probably got a larger problem than just this ID card. Wouldn't you agree? That's where you would make a lot of money, Mr. Williams. Well, if I did family work, that might
be the case. I thank you, Mr. Vines. Representative Summers, you're recognized. Thank you, Madam Chair, and
Mr. Vines, you're fortunate to have Mr. Mathis, who's got a wealth of knowledge and experience and maturity, so he may want to answer this question, but It reminds me of that often.
Yes. Did I understand, Mr. Mathis, for you to say that these are available on a retail basis? I'm sorry. I didn't understand your question. People
Speaker 82
35:01
can purchase these cards. I understood you to say
they could purchase them at Walmart or places like that. No, I'm saying this would take the place of it.
Speaker 83
35:10
A lot of times Walmart has these programs where they provide identification cards for children. That's all it does. They take your picture and put your name on there and things like that, and you go on home with it.
Is there a charge for that? Probably not. I don't think they do. This
Speaker 103
35:27
one actually is $5, but this works just like a driver's license. I understand. This
becomes in the national network of some kind of job. What I'm trying to determine is if this is something that is competitive to people in the retail business. No, not at all. Okay. No, sir. The other question I've got on line 26, I don't understand. It says, for those persons under 60 years of age, the card shall be valid.
What about ones of us that are over? It seems like that's a little out of kilter, the way that reads. That was a
Speaker 103
36:01
previous law. This had nothing to do with that. That was
Speaker 83
36:05
language that had been in there for perpetuity, as far as I know. Yeah,
yeah. Well, I'm trying to understand what it means to us people over 60. I'm serious. It just seems like it lays it out there and forgets about it.
And I'll support your bill, but that seems like something that may be hanging out there. Hopefully everybody at some point would need some. I'm through. Thank you. If he can answer that
question. I think I can help you. I don't think you
Representative Darrin Williams
Unverified
36:43
have the whole statute in front of you. I think there's part of the statute you're not seeing. I think if you're over 60, I think you're licensed state's valid for a much longer period of time
so that you don't have to go back and pay for it over a longer period of time. It's kind of like
Speaker 10
37:05
an AARP discount. You can keep yours for several more years,
Speaker 82
37:09
Representative Summers. this is for people that that do not have yours has been
Speaker 114
37:12
grandfathered in for a long time there's a
Speaker 103
37:16
lot there's a lot of people that that that are of uh that are elderly that don't do not
Speaker 83
37:22
have driver's license so this is this is a way that they can have a an official id card
cash checks or whatever they need to
Chair
Unverified
37:36
do so seeing no further questions representative elliott you're recognized madam
Speaker 92
37:41
chair thank you my recommendation is do pass we have
Chair
Unverified
37:45
a motion of do pass all in favor say aye any opposed say no house bill 1420 passes thank you thank you
Representative John T. Vines
Unverified
37:53
madam chairman and committee We appreciate it.
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