JBC- Personnel

Do you good morning and welcome to the first mel committee meeting. Let me open my saying that will cover as much ground as possible in this session and then if we have any any material that we don't cover then after joint budget will come back and worry convenient and fifteen minutes after a journal adjournment of jordan budget. Then welcome to here and will start off with the tony robinson thank you thank you miss chairman committee members we're going to start out we're actually going to take something out of order first we're gonna take item out of the packet for the back of the packets very thick portion of the packet this is all the institutions of higher education they've been sent to us from JBC. In what you have inferviewed from item queue is a is a letter in a spreadsheet provided by the department of education showing the nine institutions that had positions position related changes the letter in the spreadsheet were adopted by alc JBC subcommittee on march sixth during the precession budget hearings so all this changes that they requested they've been adopted into the bills already there's a net increase of twenty seven positions over these non institutions the remaining institutions did not have any changes with the chairs in the committee members approval these cannot be batched together and you could take one vote on item q and then recommend these back to jbc to be released. The. Yeah. All right mister chairman we are now back on item b. Which is governor's letters can be members but before we start on when I explain when thing what we've gotten the packet so each each of these governors letters is their own little packet in it within that package you will have the governor's letter itself you'll have the amendment drafted based on that governor's letter in order for you to see what's being done to the appropriation bill we've given you a marked bill so you can see where we've. Line through things that are being eliminated where we've added positions coming in where we've adjusted the appropriation amounts based on those changes from what's in the governor's letters so that go through this I may reference a page number each each little packet has its own page numbers you'll see on governors letter three item be that it's page one through seven so I may reference that in the page number our reference is going to be the page for the were the marked up bill we start seeing the changes in that marked at bill you've given each if you have a questions please start me then i'll i'll be happy to answer any questions if I can. All right miss chairman so item b um this is governor's letter three the governors that are request one position this is on page four a one position increase at the insurance division of commerce they're asking for one acom insurance program manager at AGS ten for the workers comp section and the request includes an increase of seventy six thousand dollars in regular salaries and matching appropriation from the insurance department trust find. You've heard explanation in the questions. We have no questions do we have a motion to dobbed. Okay so move second. Have a second okay so you're the whole in favor so I polls likewise. Miss chairman item c is governors lot of four governments letter requests a one position increase for the shared services division of commerce this is on page seven the position request is a new title of a calm chief information officer at an it twelve with a corresponding increase of a hundred and eighty thousand dollars in regular salaries and match appropriate and then the shared services paying account which is funded through various sources the purpose of the position is to establish leadership and structure for it throughout uh commerce. Any questions. The. Saying then have a motion to the dog oh i'm sorry. Representative in european errors thank you mister chair and i'm just looking at page eight here of the marked up bill and it show on where we're adding. A hundred thousand dollars to conference and travel and professional fees and kept that just something we're not going to talk about in. In personnel there's no sir i'm sorry I should have internet anything that is not part of personnel or maybe it's an operation for we take in jbc will handle that so I don't discuss it in personnel thank you sorry thank you. Senator days. Yeah. Okay so we're off we're ready for emotional debt we're back to emotion to have motion to the dumped go garden second okay all in favor say oppose like was motion places next down mischairman item d this is governor's letter five the letters for the department of health and request the elimination of four health physicist positions agreed gso eight and one health physicist supervisor at gso nine in return for one radioactive material program supervisor to gstn and four radioactive material program specialist at gso nine is not page five the letter does not include any request for additional appropriation the switch will better alone the job duties and allow them to recruit and retain individuals in the radio active materials there will be no increase in the total number of positions. Any questions by the committee. Representative shepherd. Hit your button again. Thank you. Can you hear me now mis k err as we're doing all these head and i've assessed before have you talented up was the increase or on all the airwares were getting started we're gone peace bar peace put it I have not added could you get could you get that for me yes for what we're what we're increasing or if thank you. Now we're. Emotional gl five. Got it second all in favor of so posed like wise. Motion carries. Mr mischairman item e scovers letter six going for the election commission and will eliminate two election admin specialists and create one new attorney position at GS ten the new attorney will provide additional legal support and oversight the total number of positions will decrease by one at the agency and there's no request to change to their appropriations you've heard the request in any questions. The. Seeing now do we have motion to adopt your emotion second. See your circuit oh in favor of say I oppose that. Motion cares next is chairman mister item f is governors that are seven which for veterans affairs and request the reclassification of a registered nurse hospital and an impo one for free nurse manager at an impo three to oversee both veterans homes there's no request for additional appropriation and no increase in total positions. Okay you heard the recommendation of the request. Any questions seeing then who have motion to the dark most of the second. So I can i'll advise they are positive. Mr chairman item g as governors letter eight for the prosecuting coordinator's office this request is to make permanent the positions that were added in march through the interim growth pool process these changes included the addition of three new facility dog handlers for the dogs that are used to help comfort people including children when testifying in court additionally this letter changes the funding source of the positions and appropriation from federal to state dollars and adds two hundred and five thousand dollars to the appropriation now being funded from state central services generally the request eliminates excuse me the request eliminates the project guardian appropriation limiting once senior deputy prosecuting attorney and a hundred and fifty five thousand dollars in federal appropriations. If her day recommendation request any questions. Seeing and we have motion to the dark emotion of circuit. All in favor in the cabin saying pose like was well we should next it oil mischairman item h is governors letter twelve is from the department of inspector general the request includes the transfer of a uh dadgy program administrator in section wine this is shared services and moving into section sixteen the tax appeals commission also includes the transfer of a tax appeals accountant from section sixteen back to section one the agency intense to utilize the tax appeals account as the department's chief fiscal officer this creates no change in total authorized positions and includes no appropriation changes does not page six of that packet. Yeah. Gave her request any questions. The. Seeing the underwear motion and emotion that we have a second. Lol and very recently the polls like wise. I see mischairman committee members item I there's several different sections here in several different page numbers that i'll allow so please stop me if there's if there's questions but governors item eyes governors that are twenty and this before the department of public safety and cumbers covers a number of their divisions so i'm page eleven the shared services division in section of one. Section were and two is moving on administration of specialist gso for to the division of state police police in section sixteen taking the section total from ninety six to ninety five positions and reducing the regular sellers and match totals by fifty one thousand dollars in the shared services paying account. On page thirteen the crown victims reparations appropriation will receive an extra help section with two extra positions following section seven there is no request for additional appropriations for this edition on page fifteen the division of state police and section sixteen will receive fifty new asp corples along with the administrative specialist three from section one. Four eighth technicians will also be reallocated from asp and section sixteen to acrc in section thirty four. The total increase in positions will be forty seven and the regular sellers and matching will increase four million dollars for the division of architest a police find. On page nineteen. In section twenty seven. For class there is a request for two new public safety security officer positions increasing the total number of positions from forty six to forty eight and increasing the regular salaries and matching appropriations by seventy nine thousand dollars in the miscellaneous agency's fund. On page twenty one in section thirty four acrc or received the four athes technicians from state police and section sixteen and this will increase their total position count from fifty one to fifty five and increase their regular salaries and matching line items by a hundred and eighty six thousand dollars the appropriation is funded from the crime information systems on page twenty four section forty one for the crime lab shows the addition of two new associate medical examiners and impo nights taking the total number of authorized positions from a hundred and fifty nine to a hundred and sixty one the crime lever appropriation funded from the miscellaneous agencies fund will increase one point two million dollars in regular salaries and match for these two positions. In total the number of positions increased for the bill for the department is fifty four positions with transfers of existing positions from one division to another the total increase in appropriation for all the sections it's five point four million. Could you hear the request we have any questions. The. Seeing no underwear motion to adopt. Okay. All in favor say the polls likewise most incurs. I missed chairman committee members starting with item jay oh we're going to go through several DHS divisions one thing I want to know is that all the changes that you see and DHS there's no additional positions being added here and the appropriation is just moves you got positions moving from division to division you've been appropriation moving from division to division so this is not adding anything we're just moving in around so as I go through this I just wanted to point that out. Alright so governors letter twenty one item jay this for dhs aging an adult behavior health services incorporates a changes made to reallocational resources during the fiscal. On page six you'll see the hsdms medical assistance manager in a dhs assistant director of quality assurance they're being transferred in for medical services. ADH as chief attorney and a risk management assistant director will be transferred and from the secretary's office a dhs behavioral health general physician position will be transferred out to the secretary's office on page nine you'll see the total changes in a result in a three position increase for the division the corresponding appropriation increase in their paying account is just over a million dollars and regular salaries and match. Can you hear the request any questions. Ever motion second. Second okay. Hello room to go to saying close like wires. Motion carries next island mischairman item k this is governor's letter twenty two this is a request for DHS children and family services. The two DHS DCFS assisted director positions that were created last march and a swap wool. These are behavioral health assistant director children's services and DHS DCFS administrative admin services were eliminated within that pool so that's what those positions are coming out and then two new positions are coming in this request will make that change permanent all other positions listed in the letter in the bill marked up are being transferred in from the secretary's office there's eighteen of them with the following exceptions the physical support supervisor in DHS research analysis manager are coming from dys. And the attorney position is coming from DMS due to these transfers in total position increase for the division will be twenty one positions the adjusted appropriation for regular salaries is one point three milli. Any questions. Soon to learn. I think pope center hammer that's from. The sharing game sent to hammer thank you could I get the agency to the table please. The. The. Good morning mr ubank's deputy secretary for operations and budget. Morning would you just give. A liberal overview of what this is supposed to achieve by all these moving and repositioning of people I mean what's gimme some rationale behind it absolutely so for dcfs we came forward to the leg and asked for swap haul at upgrade to positions to assistant directors from gs twelve to gs fourteen this makes those most permanent the rest of the moves that you see saying that we're maybe folks from the secretary's office that's our business area non non oh eight m I don't have a panging phone there other than to pay our secretary salary this is necessary because when learns act moved department of early childhood all of the department of human services over two ade we retained one work unit and that's the work unit that goes out and is our last sincing unit for those residential soccer pr rpr l u unit and so the positions that are coming from division of you services or harrogreedy positions to service supervisors in that area and the rest is the working it so when learned happened the pl unit moved into the ninety nine oa business area with them moved it into our business area seventeen to pay this is the permanent move for that. Okay. The measure but some of them much shorts in your house it may be and somebody else's last year I think they're in the general session maybe some other time. We approved like forty positions to set up the pilot programmed here in pledge county and haven't heard anything about it lately can you give us an update on there so i'll deferred to you dcfs director today and be happy to answer those questions about how that pallets progressing so thank you. Hi good morning i'm tiffin you're right on the director for the division and children and family services. I am I provided sinner hammer and update related to those that he mean position and we currently are still working through vacancies specifically in palaski county related to those positions that we received the teaming model hasn't necessarily been. Formed because of those vacancies and the struggle that we continue to face to fill them so how long. How long till we say we gave it a good try there some money appropriated to that or that was set aside for that account that was general funds or if that was in a state unrevenue if that was federal funds maybe you could refresh my memory but we've been added over a year now how long do you think till we just we can we can't get the people to fill the positions because we can keep the people that we got and just give me you may feel for that would you. Yes sir I think we're getting very close to having further conversations about those positions and what it looks like a and what do we do with them with a positions that you that we were that we received in one of we've done some things around a pilot related to some education where so we're getting to a place where we need to re evaluate what we do next okay and how much money we appropriate for that new member I cannot remember could you get there for me if you don't mind and you know the number of positions that are currently filled I think it was forty is what we gave you you know how many are currently filled. Input I don't have it broken down by that but I can get I can give you an update to that okay or if you would please i'd appreciate it maybe chair watch pushed out to rush committee to choose to scratch but i'd like to missure. I have a question is is this the boarding positions there that center hamburger refers to or these were you attempting to pair. Interviews who went out and worked on the faster children are that app though yes there are these were these were a front line family service worker positions and program assistant positions and that we're going out to and work the front line work of keeping children safe right with how many of the member field that's what I need to follow up with a you are line thank you any other questions. Seeing them to have motion motion who ever second second all in favor in the cape is saying the polls like wires. Motion cares next time. No mischairman that was it and k were an item l this is for governors letter twenty three governors that are twenty three is a request for dhs division of county operations starting on page fourteen all the positions listed in the governor's letter for DCO transferring in from the secretary's office with the exception of three of them there's ADH s program administrator that's an mfg that was creating the interim as well as a grant's specialist that was an mfg and then a quality assurance reviewer that's being transferred from dco to the secretary's office there's also six extra help positions are being transferred in from the secretary's office the total number of positions at dco will increase by hundred and eighty eight due to the transfers in the total appropriation change for regular salaries as eight point seven million and matching is three point five million in the operations paying account. Any questions I want to have we increased training instructors from fourteen to nineteen. How who has anyone here from the department of human services can address. Yeah. Work. Were those others far new positions or that their positions that were moved over. And if I use that please good morning i'm mary franklin director of the division of county operations with department of human services those five positions are moving over with the tenant grant from dws to dhs and the additional staff that is coming we will use those trainers to make sure that we are get everyone trained timely if we have turnover or people change job duties this will just help us to be able to onward people and get them productive faster by using those five positions. And I said mrperiod robertson referred to being mood how the secretary is office several of my most level they make the just manners you familiar with there during the session last year they transferred of the dws positions into the secretary's office and that to the specific division what they're trying to do here is correct that put those positions and then claim the division they need to be thank you thank you ma'am any other questions. Motion to adopt. Second circum. All in favor of say both like words down miss chairman item ima is for governors letter twenty five which is a request for dhs medical services the four positions listen in the governors that are being transferred out to other divisions a dhs the DHS deputy director of adult services is going to the secretary's office the attorney is going to dcfs the dhs assisted director of quality assurance and the DMS medical assistance manager are going to ageing and adult behavioral whole services turner and positions will be reduced by four and the adjustment regular sellers matching land items is four hundred and twenty seven thousand dollars in the account left on h six any questions. Soon to love. I think missed your so we we've sat here through about three or four you and a lot of lot of moving round in between. Is this what to watch driving it is just said. We're realizing that there's some holes we need to plug that we need to put some people and positions that you know better suited for you know better suited for what they're duties are just can give me a way of the land if you would. The. Thank you for your question and mr ubank's again deputy secretary operations and budget dhs so the majority of the positions that you're actually seen in governor's letters today we've already read three resource reallocation and it's previously been heard by alc and approved these are just changes to make these permanent for next year's budget but yes you're correct these are a better aligning you know our staff available staff and available positions within our own agency through resource reallocations that we have statutory at the warning for. And so where they were and where they're going. If you feel that they're going to be better suited to stay there now because again I guess what i'm trying to get my mind around is a lot of movie parts as far as moving people from secretary position to their son and their stuff section i'm just trying to what's the rash now and how do you how do you get him a line so that this thing calm down a little bit crack thank you for that so we actually have had quite a. Large movement this year and do two s k bringing in some areas and maybe some areas our entertaining some areas and so that's why when we were received our budget this year a lot of those positions were house in the secretaries office so again that ninety nine way business area and we have been moving those positions to better align with serving clients out as miss franklin said earlier for instance the tanef grant positions may be permanently into division of counting operations and that is our go forward plan then of course if you're familiar with our normal resource allocations which is when we move just maybe one or two positions to better align with what we already have available in appropriation acts but they they may not be and the exact division where we'd like to either last those available personnel positions okay less than is for all the movie that we're doing today and just trying to keep up a little bit with it when the folks are moving like out of sectors office into another position their salaries are a lateral move or are there any of them that as a result of the move are we're seen increased in their their lateral and the appropriation goes with the position okay alright thank you thank you any other questions. The. I have one it looks like. Mr broke the celeries on pages seven so six point one million and they're going down from six point five but you've just stayed with their money is traveled as a position correct so it would be picked up in the other divisions appropriation budget that received the position though thank you any other questions. Seeing known to have motion to the dark. Remotion second second older favorite cable saying most occurs thank you. And aren't mischairman were on to item in this governor's or twenty six this is a request from DHS youth services the h s assisted deputy director for managerial accounting is being transferred in from the secretary's office the DHS DMS assisted director fiscal is being transferred out to the secretary's office the research in analysis manager in a physical support supervisor are being transferred to dcfs the net decrease of this will be a net decrease of two positions and a decrease in regular sellers and matching of two hundred five thousand dollars in the paying account. Any questions. The. Seeing them to have a motion to do motion to circumsecond old blue room the cabbage saying positive next time was chairman were an item this is governor's letter twenty seven his request for dhs secretary's office are beating on page ten through page thirteen you'll see the elimination of sections three through eight vast majority of the positions and section three transferred to dcfs along with a million dollars in appropriation while most of the tanef positions in section five removed to county there are several that were transferred to section nine operations of this bill that we're looking at on page thirteen and it pages fourteenth through nineteen show those transferred positions as well as two positions surrendered for a database administrator the interim swap pool price process excuse me there's a total increase of seventeen positions in section nine with an appropriation increase of three hundred thirty thousand dollars due to the transfers. You've heard the request in the questions. Seeing do I have motion to adopt the other motion is that. Second second oh i'm favorite campus saying both like wires. Motion carries our mischairman were on to item p this is governors that are twenty nine this is for the department of public safety division of emergency management starting on page nine you'll see adjustment to the appropriation bill salary section that changes are shown are reclassifications of existing positions and we're adding two new area coordinator positions. The total positions increase for the section is to taking them from a hundred and ten to a hundred and twelve so they're utilizing their current existing positions and just reclassifying them to other titles that they need so in section three. Were looking at misladies agencies found the regular sellers and matching or being increased by two hundred thousand dollars section four federal operations for yourself to matching or increased by twenty thousand dollars and section five disaster relief grants paid by federal funds to regular cellular matcher increased by thirteen thousand five hundred dollars in section six hazardous materials paid by the revolving fund the rigor size and mattress increased by eleven thousand dollars in a section ten federal surplus property paid by federal phones the regular sellers and matching or increased by fourteen thousand dollars ultimately the agency is requesting two more positions than they had previously and an increased appropriation of two hundred and fifty eight thousand dollars. Yeah. You heard a rock on monday of the request any questions. That one the two hundred and fifty eight how many positions are there. It they're adding they're only adding two positions but the reclassifications in some instances are taking and a title or a position from a lower grade to a higher grade so it's it's possible that they need additional appropriation to cover the source of this higher great any further questions saying that. Do I have a motion to adopt the emotion to have a second they have a second i'll be ready for saying pose that motion carries next mischairman we've already handled item q so we are headed on to the last packet items rs these are actually regular business items that will go on to jbc for uh adoption after our review of them so item are on page one this is a growth pool request from dfa alcohol beverage control they're requesting an attorney specialist at a guest eleven request is based on the need to help properly regulate medical marijuana in the state the employee will focus on compliance issues and reviewing applicants opium is recommended the additional position has an estimated cost of a hundred and seven thousand dollars a special revenue. Any questions so to hammer. The. Yeah. Like this year we get the agency to the table please. The. Mistake your name and possession trent minor dfa regulatory division good morning i'm christian or and send the director of alcohol beverage control in arkansas thank you morning so the question is that you're requesting the above position or to ensure medical marijuana is properly regulated within the state can you tell me what your currently doing with regards to the physicians that are issuing these medical marijuana cards to make sure that the people get him they were getting them have a truly medical need nor to have them. Senator so we regulate the license entities regulated license by the medical marine want a commission the dispenser is cultivation centers and processors and the department of health regulates the patient cards and then the medical board I believe would be the appropriate person to look into a doctor utilizing that prescription incorrectly if that was happening but you regulate the facilities themselves correct yes sir do you ever what would authority do you have or what can you do if anything to go into the facilities to try to look at the the product being given out people are coming in with those medical marine cards do you have any authority to look at it from the backdoor instead of comments to the front door with the doctor site that under the parliament help. All of the all the medical marijuana products in the state are are tracked and we can see how they're tracked in how they're dispensed to each patient if that's what you're out i'm having trouble hearing you if you don't mind pull the mike thank you sorry about that all of the products are attract from the time that their sea to the time they're sold to a patient and we have the ability to see which products are being dispensed to which patient but as far as what we could do on the physician side I think our options would be limited and i'm not really sure what we could do but i'm happy for us to look into that more though. Okay but whatever conversation could if you can't if you can't come but from one direction I think you guys need to have a little toward you to come from the other direction to make sure that who's walking in with those cards are legitimate better and I think maybe a big good if you had a little more thought to you to do that or talk about that yes sir thank you. Thank you sir to him thank you any other questions. You'll have motion to the dark motion to have a second half a circum all in favor in the car was saying the pose like was thank you mister chairman of cars are mischairman run to item s this is a request from contractors license board to utilize an investigator position previously frozen where they act seven ninety six report the deals with positions have been vacant for two years or more opm is recommended the use of the position and expects the cost of filling this position to be about seventy seven thousand dollars out of their cash phones. So this is an existing position that has been frozen and they're just asking to unfreeze it be able to fill it. Any questions. Seeing them they have motion now we were motion circumstances second hole in favor in the cape you're saying pose like was. Motion curious. All right mister chairman committee members you actually have a new item tease separate on your deaths it's a a hand out that we we've already put on the desk and what this is this is a request from the governor's office to provide two percent merit increases to all cabinet secretaries following their individual performance valuations opium has noted that there are two different sections of code that will allow secretaries in employees to be paid over the maximum of the grade after legislative approval there are currently four secretaries out of above the maximum of great gso five or six meet seo taking action on this item will increase those for secretaries further over the salary maximum and also move the secretary of veterans affairs and the governor's mansion administrator over the maximum as well the total cost of the two percent increases for all fifteen secretaries and the governor's mention administrator is approximately fifty nine thousand dollars. Requestions representative law. Well it's kevin arbit okay that's kind of scary but anyway I don't know what to think about that but I we are at my question is just this two percent is it actually in the budget that was present do we now that the governor presented is this fifty nine does the increase of that in the budget. That would be in the various departments budgets because it's where were the secretaries budgeted and they do have current funds to cover this okay thank you. I have a question is are these the same. For that we made a just mister incoming salary when we had only yes sir there's the same for plus the secretary of military in the veterans affairs secretary which will also exceed the maximum of a seour. But this is. Was this done. The day after she had made the car man the governor had made the comment relative to. No one getting a pay raise and stay. Was this the next day there are these the four that we are yes these were the ones that we had what these are reflection of these people that in these positions are full year as of january tenth and as you know they're held to the highest standards and said they did not receive increase than twenty three and they will not receive a increase in twenty twenty four this is their increases for their performance at this time. Will then if if if the new pay plan is adopted with it burning any of these with them in. A probably it may not bring the sector education and secretary of human services and. A commerce but it would bring other estimate I think i'll get any other questions for your representative springer. Good morning thank you mister chair i'd definitely believe in pay for performance per ant I guess i'm trying i'm thinking about the other employees across the state have you all was there any consideration given to moral of all the employees who would not who would see this is that considering their work at the things that they're doing for the different departments yes ma'am I think what this is as I mentioned before as a recognition of the performance of these secretaries but all employees will be eligible those that meet requirements and those exceeds that requirement issue will be eligible for another additional percentage increase and that will be happened in early law follow up necessary. The hooked ok in that as I recall last year there was some concerns about persons that were supposed to get increases across the state and you all were supposed to go back and check on those the seat whether that those that didn't get their increases but they we ever receive their increases do we do any follow up on their calls I think what you're discussing is the fact that last last valuation period those that met expectations were not awarded percentage increases so we didn't know that happened that's what and that's why the government went ahead and made her announcement right now that the meets requirements and the exceeds requirements will be awarded. And what post what percent are they going to get she has not determined that as a waiting to the end of the physical year to look at the actual pe results in the budgetary parameters actually to make that search or just come and that's generally what it's always at i'm just concerned actually as I say before I like to make sure that we pay for performance but we have these other thousands of employees across the state who will working and it seems like we're not considering the things that they're doing for a steep soul just make a note that i'm very concerned that they're not being treated fairly and represented a springer I think just to clarify last year employees that qualified by your sorry I have employees that qualified for a merit pay the state employees they receive either a four and a half percent rays or a five percent rate so. For the secretaries their help just at a cheap percent even though they qualified for merit and so all of them are getting in just a two percent but it just happens to be that handful that is over there at over their max and so that's why we're looking at approving them but they did not get anything last year and we are addressing this year moving forward temporarily for the state employee playing next year what those merit increases will look like for state employees. Correct these these secretaries did not because they had not been here for a year yet and so it does feel a little out of place I understand because we're just dealing with that right now but it's because uh they had not been here a year until now to actually be evaluated and so come in july or come this summer may in june they are not going to be evaluated again so they're not this is their increase and then wall evaluate all state employees for the next year but it will not include these secretaries. And the three listed yes while there's five list of it yes they did and we approved that that was something that yeah that we took a. Yeah they have to be evaluated just like every other state employee and so they were just evaluated a year in and and so that's why we're we're dealing with them right now but we won't see that again come this summer when we evaluate all state employees. They're just their cycle is a little bit different because they have not been here a year. But I just wanted to clarify the webstate employees got was a four and a half percent in a five percent and these are at a two percent yep thank you. Speaker shepherd recognized mr chair and I guess just to put a finer point on it I think this is part of what's been answered and also explain but this proposal if passed it makes us that that those additional funds immediately available. But we also have a pending resolution that would allow for the following of bill for a pay plan that includes increases across state government and so my question is just to confirm what we're considering here is actually the two percent is actually less than what is even being proposed as far as possible availability across state government through the pay planned bill that that is likely to be filed in the next day or so is that correct. Yes and then circuitly am I correct that if we were to pass this and we provide that increase then there will not these individuals will not then get another increase in the event the paypal bill is subsequently passed I mean it's just one of the other as far as these six n that and we're going to hidden taking this up right now is that correct. Yes or we're checking this up for their salaries right now and for the previous performance now these employees will be eligible for the three percent up to three percent on the face that that way that the governor has allowed it for market rate increases so they are going to be eligible for that yes but they will not be eligible for performance increases in july like other other state employees. Okay. Thank you. Representative can and are. Thank you mister chair pigging back and the speaker so I just want to make sure I understand they get two percent now. Yes my in the end they'll be eligible for the three percent so they basically can get a five percent yes it would be an up to three the governor hasn't permanently announced that it will be three percent but that's for all employees but I would be i'll available they were they can be they can get the three percent so we give on two now and then get up to three percent here and just when all the other day so it's really a five percent that they can get. I. Representatives is praying. Thank you mister chair I just want to agree with representative cavalier that's five point five percent that's what they're getting they're getting more thank you. The. Representative hammer senator hammer excuse me thank you miss share. Just just so I understand though when we say they can get to and then they get three second second we based on their evaluation necessarily the three years a market adjustment that it's been applied to all state employees in state government so after the employees will up to three she has an announced the final percentage but the law the pay plan that representative shepherd was talking about allows for an up to three percent increase at the end of this physical year and prior to prior to next fiscal came but but you're saying three and then you're saying up to three and my misunderstanding well it is up to three I think the governor will determine the final percentage but what the paypal bill is doing is allowing the governor to make that determination what it will be statewide for market adjustment right right but for people are listening they sell the conversation just happen there there could be there is maybe the expectation hey rang at two percent and then we're a turnout where you get three percent in and in the employee's mind they're probably thanking me and we're about to give five percent rates as that really accurate or we are we used in the terms up to it. Yes they're up to three percent for that market adjustment that will be whatever the cover governors determines at the end of the fiscal year. Okay that farge want clarity on that but it's not a walk out of your thing it's gonna be two and three guaranteed by the process has to work out she'll have decided how much that up to there yesterday is there to begin that right yes okay thank you. Senator david chairman I was just gonna say I mean yes it's going to be determined on the up to three percent bad I think because they're so much above the max that will have to come back for approval to approve that increase anyway so we may be seen that up to three percent but we're talking about something we haven't even passed yet about the asim and filed yet we hope it does pass because I know the state employee association is on board with it and they've been very involved in our please with the way that this temporary state and uh pay plan works. But they're just part of state employees so we're really mixing two things I understand what we're saying but I think that's going to come back before us but right now we're talking about merit pay which all employees state employees are subject to they are doing it a little out of turn because they've just now been here year so they were evaluated at a different time but moving forward we have the state employee plan that the governor will decide on that at two three percent raise and it's very likely that these handful of secretaries will come back before us if they are given that it to three percent rates. So our market adjustment I should say so the two percent. It's based on where but the two percent that they requesting to reward now is based on merit and what in what did they do to deserve the two percent what was the qualitative measurement to wish you used to say that they qualify well they were all evaluated and top two about their performance I can't tell you exactly the measurement it's not the same as what will use for all other classified states who evaluate them. I won't yet because there's as much more based on leadership. Qualities versus upon of actual job dating. Okay then the. The. Three percent is because they are. In the position that there is an all employees are getting a three percent if the pay plan is the op yes an up to three percent all employees or receive across the state them how much does that under the current system. How much is how much above the maximum are they percentage while I was now with the october set right well i've got them out but I don't have the percentage of their over but I can you know I have the amounts that they will be over with this. For example do you want another amounts of the ever what I will know what the percentage is of. Above the maximum right now. I'll have to keep that you again at all yes. Any further questions. Yeah. Concerning. T. Seeing now do we have a motion to approve the other motion to approve a second all I pay really keep saying the. We have any other business come before the committee. We'll stand adjourned until next tuesday after following jbc and they exchanged the morning thank you very much. No.