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HB1089
Act 618
· 2 mentions in chapter, agenda
Matched: “F. Bills Re-Referred to Joint Budget Committee HB1089 – Commerce Department – Waterways Commission”
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AN ACT FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE - ARKANSAS WATERWAYS COMMISSION APPROPRIATION FOR THE 2025-2026 … | Joint Budget Committee | Notification that HB1089 is now Act 618 |
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HB1389
Act 547
· 1 mention in agenda
Matched: “…by Senator Dismang to SB130 – Arkansas State University 3. HB1389 by Representative Ladyman – DHS-Division of Developmental D…”
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AN ACT FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN SERVICES - DIVISION OF DEVELOPMENTAL DISABILITIES SERVICES - … | Ladyman | Notification that HB1389 is now Act 547 |
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HB1577
· 1 mention in agenda
Matched: “…DHS-Division of Developmental Disabilities-Jonesboro HDC 4. HB1577 by Representative Crawford – Department of Commerce-Insuran…”
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AN ACT FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE - STATE INSURANCE DEPARTMENT - GRANTS FOR PERPETUAL … | Crawford | Died in House Committee at Sine Die adjournment. |
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SB106
Act 898
· 1 mention in agenda
Matched: “…endments 1. Amendment BSS019 by Representative Cavenaugh to SB106 – Department of Agriculture Note: All exhibits for this mee…”
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AN ACT FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE APPROPRIATION FOR THE 2025-2026 FISCAL YEAR. | Joint Budget Committee | Notification that SB106 is now Act 898 |
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SB130
Act 534
· 1 mention in agenda
Matched: “…and Staff Only'. 2. Amendment HAR051 by Senator Dismang to SB130 – Arkansas State University 3. HB1389 by Representative Lad…”
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AN ACT FOR THE ARKANSAS STATE UNIVERSITY APPROPRIATION FOR THE 2025-2026 FISCAL YEAR. | Joint Budget Committee | Notification that SB130 is now Act 534 |
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SB132
Act 535
· 1 mention in transcript
Matched: “…uh, it's ready for a due pass as amended. Any questions on Senate bill 132. As amended. All right, seeing none, what's with the commit…”
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AN ACT TO MAKE AN APPROPRIATION FOR THE PAYMENT OF APPROVED CLAIMS. | Joint Budget Committee | Notification that SB132 is now Act 535 |
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Senator Jonathan Dismang
Unverified
2:31
Hey, members, we're gonna go ahead and get started. It looks like it's time if you can take your seats. OK. With that chair
Cesar quorum. Alright, B1, I think it's Senator Peyton. What do I do here?
Speaker 24
3:05
Sir Peyton, you recognize to present the
Senator John Payton
Unverified
3:08
report. Thank you, Mr. Chair. The claims subcommittee met on Tuesday, February 25th, 2025. The subcommittee affirmed the ruling of the Claims Commission as the 3 awarded claims which were reissuance of warrants, checks, and one negotiated settlement. I move adoption of the report. Thank you members. Do we have any questions on the report?
Senator Jonathan Dismang
Unverified
3:24
Seeing none, we've got a motion to adopt. We've got a second, all those favorite signified saying aye. All those
opposed motion carries. Uh, we also coming out of this Senate Bill
132, uh, it's ready for a due pass as amended. Any questions on Senate bill 132. As amended. All right, seeing none, what's with the committee, we've got a motion to pass as amended. We've got a second in discussion on the motion, seeing none, all those favors signified saying I. Others opposed.
Motion carries, uh, EBD oversight report, Representative Milligan. You're right. Thank you, Mr. Chair. The
Representative Jon Milligan
Unverified
4:09
employee benefits division oversight subcommittee met on Tuesday, February 25th, 2025 at 9:30 a.m. in Mackay. The subcommittee approved EBD's formulary and medical drug recommendations for January and February 2025, presented by Grant Wallace, director, EBD Department of Transformation and Shared Services, the subcommittee reviewed EBD's contract with now with this business consulting Incorporated presented by Grant Wallace, director of EBD. Thank you members. Do we have any questions on the report?
Senator Jonathan Dismang
Unverified
4:42
Seeing none, we've got a motion to adopt. We've got a
second in discussion, seeing none of those in favor I was saying aye. Others opposed. Motion carries. Senator Tucker, I think we've got a couple of folks stuck in. Traffic. You are recognized to present,
Senator Clarke Tucker
Unverified
4:59
uh, the peer review report. I'm ready to be a willing substitute, Mr. Chair. The peer review subcommittee met yesterday, February 26. Subcommittee received reports, reviewed requests, and approved the following. Various temporary appropriations, American Rescue Plan Act Appropriation,
infrastructure investment and Jobs Act appropriation, a reallocation of resources for DHS and restricted reserve fund transfers after the meeting, JBC received a contract from the Division of Environmental Quality. This is item B4 in the agenda. An in-state contract to CTEH. It's for $539,966 for air monitoring in Taneytown. I move adoption of the report and I move review of the DEQ contract
in item B4. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Members,
Senator Jonathan Dismang
Unverified
5:44
do we have any questions on the report? For the contract.
Seeing none, we've got a motion to adopt a motion to review. We've got a second in discussion on the motion. Seeing none
of those in favor signified by saying aye. All those opposed. Motion carries C1. Uh,
Representative Kavanaugh. You are recognized to present C1. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Representative Frances Cavenaugh
Unverified
6:10
Um, this is an appropriation, um, same one I presented last week.
So it is going to be where we take the funding for AYE down to 5400, that matches the rest of the livestock shows in the state of Arkansas and takes the rest of that $42,000 and moves it to the other county fairs in the state. And with that, I appreciate a good vote.
Senator Jonathan Dismang
Unverified
6:34
All right, thank you, members. Do we have any questions on the amendment? All
right, seeing no questions, we've got a motion. To adopt. We've got a second in discussion
on the motion. Seeing none, all those in favor signified by saying aye.
All those opposed? Motion carries Alright, C2, uh, that is special language Arkansas State University. Uh, Division Development disabilities, Jonesboro, the HDC Special Language, item 3. Item 4, the Department of Commerce, insurance department, that special language.
And that's gonna bring us to governor's letter number 12. We be questions on governor's letter
Representative Jim Wooten
Unverified
7:27
number 12, Representative Wooten. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I'd like to have an explanation on the $330 million for a correctional facility in Franklin County and then I'd like to have an explanation on item 4, 35 million. I'm, I'm familiar with it, but I want to know, it says new campus. I want
Senator Jonathan Dismang
Unverified
7:50
an explanation from the governor's office on that. OK. If we can have someone, uh, yeah, corrections. And if you could just recognize yourself for the committee and then Representative Wooten, you'll be recognized for your question. Good morning, Lindsay Wallace, secretary of Corrections.
Speaker 55
8:20
Dexter Payne, director for the division of Cra.
Representative Jim Wooten
Unverified
8:29
Chad Brown, Chief Financial Officer, Department of Corrections. Do you mind to
repeat your question, Representative Wooten? Thank you. My question is, is this the total amount? Of the cost of the 3000 bed prison facility. Representative, I don't, I don't think
Speaker 55
8:45
I can speak right now on the total cost of the prison, this 330 million that's in restricted reserve has been set
aside in restricted reserves. So all we're doing is requesting to pull this down to
Representative Jim Wooten
Unverified
8:56
start the process. OK, so the process is what? Is this paying for the property? Is this paying for the building or, or excavation, the grubbing of the site I mean, what, what, what is this 330 million for. So Representative Wooten, thank you for the question,
Speaker 61
9:13
and I know this is a question that everybody has a lot of interest in. So with the 330 million, we
have 75 already set aside for renovations that Governor Hutchinson set aside for us 4 renovations and construction for prison costs. This would go along with that, and this is just like any other capital project that we put in place. We have to have the fund identified to start the capital project. And so just like you see on the list with the camera project, the McPherson. Loring project. This is just continuing the process. So we are in the process right now, the Board of Corrections approved an RFQ for an architect and an engineer, um, on the 12th
of this month. So we are in the very beginning stages of this. So, for any funding that comes from this, it has to be tied to this capital project. So I think to answer your question, it's going to cover a lot of things. I don't know exactly what
Speaker 63
10:08
all of those are at this because we're still in
Representative Jim Wooten
Unverified
10:11
the beginning stages of the project. I I guess Secretary Wallace, where I am on this is, is this, this we're really kind of open-ended then. We, we don't know or we can't tell.
Exactly what this is going to cost the taxpayers of the state of Arkansas at this point in time. Is that what we're saying? I think that is, that is
Speaker 61
10:32
basically the truth right at this moment. I think we'll know a lot more once we get the architect in place. We don't have an architect to help us with the design phase. Right now we're working with the owner's rep as we're working to the process of getting the owners, or I'm sorry, the architect in place to work through a lot of the questions. We've got folks out there that, that are checking the ground right now. We're doing geo testing things.
Like that. We're trying to do some initial things, but really the brunt of the work is gonna start once
Representative Jim Wooten
Unverified
11:03
we get the architect and engineer in place. Well, Paula, if I may, Mr. Chairman, uh, I understand what you're saying, but aren't we kind of doing this backwards? I mean, we, we, we don't, it's open-ended and that's
what, that's what concerns me. Once we start down this road and start this journey for this new 3000 beds. facility.
We don't, we don't, I don't understand what you're sharing today. Y'all don't know exactly what it is going to cost. Is it gonna be, uh, 500 million or 700 million or, you know, I've heard some numbers over a billion dollars relative to the site preparation and some other things and the the uh utilities and I, I could go on and
on with the list. I would, I would have, I would have felt more comfortable had you.
Come forward with the, as the governor had come
forward from y'all based on information that you could develop relative to the cost. But all we're doing, are we doing this kind of backwards? Oh, I, I don't think that
Speaker 61
12:15
I'm the expert on the, the state processes for building projects. I think I saw Miss Laidlaw, who might be able to give you a little more, um, information on that. Um, but I, I, I think this is how we have typically done these projects in the past. We
kind of establish an idea, we work with on call, um, uh, engineers, architects that we have to answer questions that we can, but this is the amount that we were set aside with at this point. And I, I just can't
Speaker 66
12:43
answer the question about how much the overall cost is going to be at this point in time.
Representative Jim Wooten
Unverified
12:50
OK, let me ask you one final question, if I may. Is the facility. Going to have Sewage Um
Treatment facility on site because of the area up there does not have a
sewer system, as I understand. So, are we gonna treat all the waste and everything and how are we going to dispose of it? Do we know, do we know those questions, answers. Those are all part of the questions
Speaker 61
13:19
and answers that we're working with our, we will work with our architect and engineer to get answers as the process goes along.
Speaker 66
13:25
Mr. Chairman, there'll be more questions, I'm sure, but I'll,
Representative Jim Wooten
Unverified
13:33
I'll end with that today. Thank you. The next one I need the information on is from the, I
think I have some more questions on this, we'll pop
Senator Jonathan Dismang
Unverified
13:40
back here in a second if you don't mind. No Senator Stubblefield, do you recognize for a question? OK, thank you. By the way, if you don't mind, just make sure everybody's close up to the mic. There's a couple of maybe and have some hard time here. Thank
Senator Gary Stubblefield
Unverified
13:57
you Lindy, I keep hearing statements from the governor's office that uh she is working
with local officials. Does that include the state senator
Speaker 61
14:07
from that area? I, I don't know the answer to that, Senator Stubblefield. I would assume so, but
Senator Gary Stubblefield
Unverified
14:12
I'm, I'm not privy to those conversations has talked to me in two months, uh, from the governor's office about this facility. And and as far as uh Uh, Sewage treatment plants there will have to be a sewage treatment plant built there because we don't have any numbers on anything. We have no idea what this facility is going
to cost. We have a, uh, a large, a large stream that runs right beside where this facility is gonna be built because it's gonna be built right next to my grandfather's farm. That stream runs all the way to Lavaca. When you turn that water out, that waste water out from that facility, it's going to go in that string. It's the only place you can go and people along there from all the way to Sebastian, the other side of Sebastian County have wells. So they're gonna have sewage
treatment, water comes from a sewage treatment plant to run along behind their houses. Into their wealth. So, uh, can you, can you tell
me how that's gonna work? Um, well, those are certainly considerations
Speaker 61
15:18
that we've had, I think when we've built prisons everywhere else and Director Payne, he's been doing this for a lot longer than I have, so I know he can provide some insight, but I mean, all of those, any sewage treatment plants that we have at any of our other facilities, we have
regulations that we have to go through with the Arkansas Department of Environment and Equality. Those are all things that we will look at and certainly we'll do whatever we are supposed to do under whatever laws we are required to.
Senator Gary Stubblefield
Unverified
15:46
But just one more question, Mr. Chair. this was announced in September. When I first got word of it. And you still do not have a number as to what this facility is going to cost. We're,
Speaker 61
16:01
we're working under the procurement laws of the state
is, is the only answer that I have to that. Um, like I said, whenever we, we bring an architect and an engineer on board, I think we will be able to give you that definitive figure, but we just haven't gotten to that part of the process yet. That's ongoing, I think the, the qualifications from the architect and engineer due to us in early March, and then the board would approve the contract in May. That's
Speaker 66
16:25
kind of the timeline that we're working on. Well, I will make the
Senator Gary Stubblefield
Unverified
16:29
prediction right now that you will be driving to Salisa and almost
Chikota, Oklahoma to get staff to run this thing because there is not enough staff in that entire area. Unless people from Northwest Arkansas want to drive 3 hours a day to work and back. And I'm not sure they would do it. So the, the, uh, the fact that there's not staff there, and you're gonna, you're gonna be taking away all the deputies. That work for our local sheriffs in Franklin, Logan Johnson, Sebastian counties. You're gonna be because these guys are not gonna work for 35 when I can
make 50. That's just plain and simple common sense. So we are going to go with deputies to police our communities. Because the state is going to build a 3000 bed facility when we already had a bill passed 2 years ago under H of Hutchinson. That work with putting in partnerships between counties to build facilities like this where they could pass the sales tax increase and it would have handled all of our excess
prisoners we've got Tucker and Cummins, is it full? Is there how many beds are open at Tuck and come I'll
Representative Jim Wooten
Unverified
17:44
let Director Payne speak to that, probably none not
Speaker 87
17:46
many. They they're full. Most of our prisons right now are overcapacity we're fully staffed. No, sir. How short are
Speaker 89
17:56
we on staff, Dexter? Uh, probably close to 40%. And how many, how
Senator Gary Stubblefield
Unverified
17:59
many again are you bringing in from Mississippi? I don't know that total number
but you do know the percentage of female versus male that are
gonna be working, that are working currently at our prisons. Is it still 60% female? No, sir, we, we looked at, we went and
Speaker 89
18:15
got data on that after we were here last time, and it's close to 50%. So half the staff working in the Arkansas
Senator Gary Stubblefield
Unverified
18:21
Department of Corrections are female female. Yes sir. OK. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Senator King. Thank
Senator Bryan King
Unverified
18:35
you, Mr. Chairman. Uh, so I've shared these figures like Alabama is way over 300,000 per bed. The governor's estimate was
156,000 per bed. I mean, that's the same as me trying to tell you I'm going to build you a 3000 square foot house for, uh, a 1500 square foot prize. I mean, the, these things are just so unbelievably unrealistic about 470 million. Alabama in 21 was going to build 2 4000 bed prisons for 1.3 billion. They're now at half done with 1, and they're estimated 1.3 billion in in their legislature just authorized to borrow, borrow 500 million more. We
cannot go through a plan and start a billion dollar project without knowing the cost right now today. I mean, the road structure in there will not handle the construction load as it is, 600 to 800 workers, cranes, hundreds, thousands of concrete trucks, there is no, I've checked on that. Yeah, I worked in a construction business. If I'd have done a deal like this, I'd been fired by noon. You guys, and I've already called the highway department. There has been no, we don't even know how much the roads are going to cost to be able to get the construction in there first.
That's how incompetent this deal is. So we need a figure today, an estimate, your figures that you came up with last year backed up everything I've said, was $1.2 billion to build this facility. Is that correct? That came out before your documents? Um, I think I
Speaker 61
20:01
know which document you're talking about. I think that was something that, um, initially we had, I think this was the meeting that we had with, uh, a former secretary Profiri where we just, we talked about all the things. It was kind of a wish list, if you will, before you really talked
about streamlining services, things like that. And it's been a long time since I've looked at that document. So I don't, I don't know exactly what is on it, but um it
Senator Bryan King
Unverified
20:26
was according to ACA standards, are you gonna build this facility at ACA standards? Yes, sir, absolutely. That's not a wish list. We know what that's
Speaker 61
20:34
gonna happen. Well, it was, it was built, I think the, the, the document that you're speaking of was one that had 3 independent standalone facilities. It wasn't more of like looking at centralized services and ways that you could reduce cost. Initially, it was, let's talk about how we're doing
everything now, and I think that was how the larger figure figure culminated and then we had, uh, I think Secretary Profiri had conversations with, uh, I can't remember the group that put that together. And we were able to pare it down. Yeah, well, you're starting to think, you
Senator Bryan King
Unverified
21:03
know, this is crazy. I, I don't care. It's like going out there, no one would start a business or go build a house and say, oh by the way, buddy, you just, here's a blank checkbook, you bill me what you think and we're gonna do it. This is going to bankrupt this state. We already see this in Alabama,
Utah, all these megaprisons and I've worked on this since 17. All these megaprisons are mega financial disasters. Every single one of them, Utah, 650 million started much. before pre-COVID, price explosions. You know, we need to know a completion date. Do you realistically think you're going to get 800 people to work in rural Franklin County. That's a farce. I'm just telling you, there is no way 800 people are going to show up in rural Franklin County. I wish you could, but there's not gonna happen.
You realistically think you're going to get 800 people to work and fully staff it. And what completion date are you looking at and what price? We need to know because once you start this project, we're gonna be like Alabama, Utah, Alabama again, is borrowing $500 million. They used a big portion of COVID money or whatever you want to call that funny money to get started on it. Now they can't complete it. So we need to know right now today, as soon as possible, what is the estimate? When is your completion date? This is nothing I wouldn't do in
regular business, or if I work for a construction company. When is your completion date? Do you really expect to have 800 people fully staffed and what date and what price do you expect for that? That's simple. It's what we would do in regular business. All right
Representative Jim Wooten
Unverified
22:40
Thank you, Senator King. I appreciate the questions. Um, I
Speaker 61
22:42
don't have the answer to the question about what the completion date is or the total cost because as I mentioned earlier, really the beginning process is for us to bring the architect and the engineer on
board, work with us to develop a design, um, and efficient build, um, and efficient for staffing, um, I, I know 800 was kind of the figure that we have. We have, we think we're going to need, but until we have the design and talk about staffing patterns and really Well, all that should have been done before
Senator Bryan King
Unverified
23:11
we started this process because we can, this state cannot afford a $1.5 billion dollar prison. And that's what at least this is going to cost. We can't afford it right now. And we need to know right now,
all this should have been done before the land was even purchased. I'd say if it was Franklin County or Timbuktu. I'm done.
Senator Jonathan Dismang
Unverified
23:31
I, I just, if you can, let's just ask the questions once, twice might be fine, but I don't, we, let's just for latitude, let's let them. We'll see
what we get. We won't get it. I understand. All right, Senator
Senator John Payton
Unverified
23:47
Payton. Thank you, Mr. Chair. And, and I don't know if staff wants to answer this or the chair or. But you said you had 75 million.
Speaker 105
23:56
I guess that's already in hand. Yes, that has already
Senator John Payton
Unverified
24:01
been appropriated to us. Yes, sir. And that's not enough to get started with and and so on this 330 million that we're addressing today, if, if we vote for whatever We're, you're wanting done with this 3:30. Does, does that take the strings off a bit and now you have 405 in hand. Senator.
Speaker 55
24:28
If it's my understanding that if you guys approve this today, yes, that brings us up to 405. Uh, what, what makes us nervous about the 75 million is when we get into this process, we don't wanna have invoices out there that we can't pay. So is the 75 million enough to get us started? Sir, I don't have an answer for that question. Well, I mean 75
Senator John Payton
Unverified
24:47
million is a lot of money, and I would assume it would be enough to get your plans together. If it's not, then Senator King's right, and this is a $1.5 billion dollar project. I think I can give some
Senator Jonathan Dismang
Unverified
24:58
clarification. You did ask the chair. This would be for the appropriation to set aside still exists and
that would require approval to be released.
This is the appropriation to authorize us to have approval to release the 3:30, just the appropriation. OK, so when you
Senator John Payton
Unverified
25:14
say just the appropriation, who's in control of when that gets funded. The the set aside is in
Senator Jonathan Dismang
Unverified
25:20
a restricted reserve account that's specifically for prison construct, uh, the governor would issue a letter. The letter would come to us in council and
we would either approve or disapprove of that letter. They wouldn't have to ask for the full amount if they didn't need the full amount, this would allow the appropriation to encompass the full amount if they were able to come, ask for it and justify it with legislative counsel in the interim. Thank
Senator John Payton
Unverified
25:43
you for that clarification. So what's the status of the 75 million? They have the 75 million. OK. So with $75 million you can't even get. To an estimate or to a design. Oh, that sounds ludicrous to me.
If you're expecting to spend less than a billion dollars. Then you're talking about 10% of the project is not enough to get started and get to a. Estimate 75 million is 10% of 750 million. I would think 10% of the project would be more than enough. To get to the estimates. Good, just
Speaker 113
26:20
recognize yourself for the committee. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Jim Hudson, Secretary of DFA just to clarify the process that brought us here today.
Speaker 114
26:30
The reason we're here asking for the 3:30 to be appropriated is not because the 75 is inadequate. It's because we're required when we know that we have a capital project that's gonna be occurring in the upcoming biennium. We have to identify that, bring that to your attention for you to be able to approve appropriation for that as the chair, you know, comment is exactly right. You know, if we're talking about releasing funding, we're going to come back to you. And you're going to have to approve releasing funding, but we couldn't do anything in the
biennium if we did not bring this capital project appropriation request to
Senator John Payton
Unverified
27:05
you. Well, and I appreciate that and I think this may, this step in the process may be getting caught up in some other momentum, but I think some of the other momentum is justified here because regardless of whether The people here at the table or the governor. If maybe they don't know, maybe they don't have an estimate yet, but I promise you somebody does know. At this point.
I've got $8 million building project of my own going on in BB and before we went to the architects, we set a budget. And we told our, we had to tell the architects that what they're designing is gonna have to be within this budget. Somebody at state level needs to be doing the same thing. If we're going to design a prison. We need to set a budget. Yes, sir. And you don't. Let the architects set the budget. You've got to communicate to
Speaker 114
28:02
them that we have to be within some realm. And I guess I would just say to members there's gonna be anything different. I know there's a tension on this that's, that's extra attention and there's a lot of motions maybe on this particular project, but the process will be the same for building this building. So you will have a couple of bites at the apple. To be able to weigh in on and to vote whether or not it moves forward eventually. I can assure you that
Speaker 119
28:26
the governor's not going to want to move forward on this until we know what the budget is. OK, and I'll be done
Senator John Payton
Unverified
28:34
after this. So are you saying that there's no way they can spend more than 75 million without getting us. To some comfort level on what the
Speaker 122
28:42
budget is they can spend none of the $330 million that
Speaker 114
28:45
you're approving the appropriation for today because they don't have it, it still sets in that set aside and restricted reserve. The 75 they do have they can spend that, but in terms of, you know, beginning to spend money out at 3:30, they can't do that. They they don't have the money. That's basically
Senator John Payton
Unverified
29:04
what I said. No, we're spend 75 getting us to an estimate and that seems Very high to me. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Senator Jonathan Dismang
Unverified
29:13
And I don't know that, and if I don't, if you don't mind, I mean. So the 75 is there and essentially what you're saying is, I mean, I would say for the legislature. If that total dollar number is not worked out prior to a request of the 3:30, then we would probably demand to see the full amount. That was the reason that amount was originally set aside in a and it would allow
for our approval at a future point and so in this is exactly the structure that we agreed to last time. we had an appropriation. This is, this would allow us to move forward. But again, I would anticipate all of us would want to know the number before we release the, the other amount. And, and probably sooner than that. So, uh, senator. Hester. Thank you,
Senator Bart Hester
Unverified
30:01
uh. So I, I think I'm gonna, uh, just affirm some of the things
Senator Dismay is saying. This is a very typical process, uh, almost everyone in this room can relate to a city or a county, uh, needing a water or sewer project, and what do we do? We give a grant so they can go get the plans, so they can understand the cost and what they need before we can allocate money or before they can go get a bond for that project. That's what we're doing here. Like I've heard lots of. questions. They, they want to know what the road's gonna cost without understanding what we need for the road. They want to
know what the sewer is gonna be without understanding what the needs are for the sewer. They want to understand what the building's gonna cost without understanding what the cost of the building is. I don't know what a prison costs in Alabama. I don't know what it costs to build a house in Alabama. I know what it costs to build a home in Arkansas, and you can just say home, well, homes are very different. Your home's different than mine. It's different than someone else's. Prisons are different, so to, to say prison versus prison, I think that's. Just a little ridiculous, but uh the reality is this is a very common process.
That we put money up front to understand what the cost is, every step of the way. We had the the they have to come back to us and ask for this money. Every step of the way We're just building an appropriation. We all know the analogy. We're allowing to open the checkbook, but when we want to put money in that checkbook, they gotta come back to us. That's all that's happening right here. This body will vote over and over and over, whether they can have more money, uh, for it. We're, we're just opening up the checkbook. Thank you. Senator, Senator Tucker.
Senator Clarke Tucker
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Thank you, Mr. Chair. I don't want to get ahead of the game and, and maybe we are giving the discussion just now,
but I'm just curious what the, what the latest thoughts are in terms of, I've seen public comment about the number of mental health beds we would have in this prison, for example, um, and substance abuse beds and workforce training, and I'm, I'm curious what the current plans are for, for those 3 programs specifically mental health beds, substance abuse beds, and, and workforce training. Thank you
Speaker 61
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for the question, Senator Tucker. Obviously, those are all important pieces of this equation. Uh, what I will tell
you is we are currently working with, we have a prison, uh, population analysts that we have on contract, and she's been doing our population projections for years. And so what she is working with right now in conjunction with our owner's rep. It's kind of an analysis of the types of population that we have currently to look at what our needs are. We're looking at county jail backup per population projection include information about county jail backup. Look at a fence types and the different types of crimes and what we're seeing overall is needs to help us try to
determine what type of beds we need to build there. Take in all of those things into account with recidivism and the needs for mental health and all of those things. It's all an important part of the piece. I, I can't tell you the specifics yet because we haven't got that far in this process, but we are definitely cognizant of that, and it will be built into whatever model we wind up with. So one of
Senator Clarke Tucker
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the comments I saw was that we have Mental health beds at the Malvern unit and, and if we have people in, uh, Franklin County with mental health issues, we can just bust them down to, to
Malvern, and I was concerned about that because I don't think that's sufficient. And, and so you're telling me that's not necessarily the case. We're, we're still working through that and if, if, if, if this facility gets
Speaker 61
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built, then it's all part of the conversation, and Director Payne can speak more about those mental health beds that we have at Malvern specifically, but we have mental health staff at every unit. Malvern may have more specific needs. that they're meant to address, but we have those staff at every unit that we have. Thank you.
Senator Kim Hammer
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Alright, Senator Hammer. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Just kind of slow
walk me through something real quick on the 75 million, you already have that in the bank with the appropriation and the money to spend, correct? OK. And That is gonna be primarily to get the architect or to get the preliminary work done to determine the cost. So have you secured the architect for the job and I've just missed that or no,
Speaker 61
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sir, we haven't. That process is ongoing. The board approved the RFQ for the architect and engineer on the
12th of this month. It has been released and qualifications are due back to us March 18th. The board is, um, anticipated to approve in May and then that contract will also have to come back to you all for approval, and that's Look like June based on the timelines that we're on. What's the value of that contract? We don't know the answer to that yet. That's what they come back with us with their qualifications and their estimated costs and things like that, and then negotiations from there. I don't know the answer to that on the contract, the anticipated cost yet and the
Senator Kim Hammer
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primary reason of the 75 is to get all the preliminary work, get the architect hired, determine what plan you're gonna need and all that sort of stuff. Do you anticipate then that it's going to go over 75 million or you'll have some surplus left out of the 75 million or too early to say. I don't want to speculate on that. I'm
Speaker 61
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not sure on that. I don't know what we, what it has cost for us with the architects in the past. I mean, it's been 20 years since we built a prison, so I don't know that I have any real figures to, to share with you on that. When do you think you'll
Senator Kim Hammer
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be able to tell us as a legislative body what that, what that contract
Speaker 61
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price is going to be. When, well, like I said, it should be to the board for approval in May, if we stay true to the timeline that we put forth in that RFQ. So we'll be back here with you in
Senator Kim Hammer
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June. And how long do you think it'll take them to complete the plan. Or is that
Speaker 61
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all part of the RFQ? Uh, I, I, I, I'm obviously speed is a, a thing. We want to hurry this along as much as we can, but I'm not sure exactly
Senator Kim Hammer
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how long it'll take. OK, then the last thing is and maybe chair, you can educate me on this. Why, why pressing for the 3:30 now
versus after you get. all that back from the architect and, and know what the final estimated cost is going to be that we would take it up layers. It got to be done during general session during fiscal or can we do it in between and Mr. Chair, would you just to educate this is appropriation only. It does not
Senator Jonathan Dismang
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give them the 3:30, but let's just say that they get their cost estimate in play. They hire the architects and the engineers, and they get to a point before we come into fiscal session, they can break ground.
Or whatever and then in the 75 million is depleted, they come to us and ask for what they would need in addition to what they have already spent and maybe still I have on hand and they would justify that to us in that interim and so that that's the, that all we're talking about is setting an appropriation that if the time comes that they need in excess of 75 million of some account amount that they would have the ability to Come to us to ask to
be able to utilize more to move forward,
Senator Kim Hammer
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right? But my question is the urgency for doing the 3:30 now is because we're in session and, and we need to do it during session during the budgeting portion of the session, correct?
Senator Jonathan Dismang
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This is the only time that we can set appropriations. That's what I wanted to hear what we're here to do. We, yeah, that's exactly right. Yes, sir. Thanks. All right, Speaker
Representative Brian S. Evans
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Evans. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Um, so first question for the chair in, in regards to what Senator Hammer was just speaking of.
The deadline to file an appropriation bill is this
coming Monday. Is that correct? That is correct. So after Monday, we could not do this. Is that correct? That's correct. OK. Secondly, for the secretary, um, Uh 3:30 seems like an odd, kind of an odd number, you know, I guess I just think in worlds of 300 and 325 and 350. Uh, so I kind of was trying to figure out why the number 330, is this, this is the same amount of money, um. From 2 years ago, I believe Senate Bill 578 that
appropriated this amount that that set aside and restrict reserve this specific amount of money. Is that correct? Yes, sir. That's the same bill that. I believe that the Senate voted 320 in the House voted 95 0. Is that correct? This is the same money that 2 years ago. Without dissent. Has been sitting there for 2 years for this purpose. Is this the same money? Yes, sir.
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OK, thank you. All right, thank you, Representative Wooton.
Representative Jim Wooten
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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. What we have here is a conundrum. We don't know. You don't know, and apparently the governor doesn't know. And with all due respect to the chairman and the president pro tem and the Speaker. I'm not willing to vote
today. To approve of 330 million, I think 75 million is too much.
And we're not voting to vote today, but my question of you is. Did, did you talk to the governor, Jim? I mean, I've been where you are and I've been where you are, Miss Wallace. And I had to tell the governor, we, we can't do this. We can't do that. We can't go before a committee. I know, I know you're trying to cut me off, but I'm telling you I'm gonna allow for debate on the motion at the proper
Senator Jonathan Dismang
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time, I have a motion that the appropriate time.
I said I was going to, we've already got a motion to adopt. But we will have a debate on, on the motion. When we get to the debate on the motion, that's all I'm asking
Senator Jimmy Hickey, Jr
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for. Thank you. Senator Hickey Thank you, Senator Dimay. Uh, I'll just ask this to, uh, Secretary Hudson. Obviously, I know the answer already, but I just want to make sure that the members remember this. So we're sitting here talking about the process and we're talking about.
Appropriations and funding. I think it's very important to remember though. Constitutionally, you know, whether some members believe we should do it or not, it does take 75% vote. On appropriations, is that correct? That's correct. So, and it only takes 50% on the funding. OK. So the thing is, is, you know, I think these are valid questions that are being asked here. I just want to make sure that members, uh, do understand that if you think, well, it's just the
appropriation, you know, and we can stop this later. It is just a 50%. So it is very important to remember the 75%. Threshold, at least from the way I see it, Mr. Hudson. So, if, if I may, and, and just, just one more if you don't mind, and it didn't mean to be disrespectful there. But I think, did we say this was the only time we could do it in this biennium. So we, but we can do appropriations, if I remember correctly, we can do that in any session that we, we are, and don't y'all normally bring stuff before us between pier if we need to get
Speaker 119
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additional appropriations. So we, we do have the ability to bring VTAs to you during the interim period. OK. Um,
Speaker 114
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but that is a finite amount that is set by the General Assembly, and that's a large number and so you know it would, I think encumber us, you know, the ability to kind of deal with other situations that pop up. And again, I want to come back to something that the that the chair said, which is exactly right, this is us following the process, the general assembly has mandated for all capital
projects you'll look at your sheet. This is not the only capital project we're bringing to you. There's several that are on there because this is the time that you have appointed for the executive branch to bring to you the list of capital projects that we anticipate to occur during the biennium. And again it's appropriation only. It is not funding. You will have multiple bites at the apple to pass judgment on how we're going to actually build this prison. You'll have that opportunity
through the review process, you'll have the opportunity to to look at reviewing, you know, all the different contracts are gonna come through, and most importantly, it's authority to spend but there's no money to spend. And until you release the money, the 3:30, nothing's gonna happen with it. And just
Senator Jonathan Dismang
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for clarification, it's a 3-fifth vote on the restricted reserve account, not a 50% vote. Sure, it's 60% to come
Speaker 53
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get the 330 out of ALC because we did put a little higher
Senator Jimmy Hickey, Jr
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42:29
threshold, but I just do want the members to understand the 75% on the
Speaker 53
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appropriation. I think that's well understood. Yes, sir. I just want to make sure a reminder. Thank
Senator Jonathan Dismang
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you, sir. All right, members, now Representative Wooten, you had a question on another item. Do you want to ask the question on
Representative Jim Wooten
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43:00
the other item? school, yes, deals with the deaf school. That doesn't involve anything on this. It does
Senator Jonathan Dismang
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43:06
because it's all in the one governor's letter. Yes, sir. So you can't governor. Well, how do you
Representative Jim Wooten
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want, you want to vote on all at one time or are we gonna take it
Senator Jonathan Dismang
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43:15
up separately. It is governor's letter dealing with all of the capital projects. So do you have a question on this? Do you want to ask the question on the school?
Representative Jim Wooten
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43:23
Yeah, well, I just want an explanation of what, what all the new campus will include. I believe Mr. Rogers
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is not here today. I can give you, I think, a general explanation, but anything more particular, I have
to get them to report back to you. That's fine. You know, they're having, you know, multiple conversations, lots of stakeholders. This will be for a renovation and reconstruction of buildings on that campus and the amount is uh 35 million. We already have 30 in appropriation for it. This is an additional 35 that would be. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you. Anything else we can get
Senator Jonathan Dismang
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44:08
back to you. Thank you. All right, thank you. All right, we have a motion to adopt Governor's letter number 12, and we have a second, and Senator King, you recognized for discussion on the motion. Thank
Senator Bryan King
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44:19
you, Mr. Chairman. And can you tell everybody typically we can hold budgets and stuff. You did, can you explain to everybody what you explained to me that
we can't hold the whole governor's letters. Is that OK. So, so basically time frame that we have, yeah, so basically a no vote to. today is just to hold this is all we're asking for. So if you vote no, we're just holding
this. And we've got plenty of session to, to. To You know, debate this
Senator Jonathan Dismang
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44:45
all out. All this is actually a vote to do for and against is the allowance of the creation and appropriation based on what's in the governor's letter. That's, that's what we're authorizing today at a future point, there'll be a, you know if if it's approved, the motions adopted, then there will be appropriation created at our direction, uh, that will be in the name of Joint Budget Committee, and then we will come back again and there'll be another vote by this committee to send that to the appropriate
chamber and then there would be then the 75% vote. that would occur on both sides of the building. So there's, there's a lot of process left. What we're doing today is allowing for the drafting of a bill that can be drafted by an individual member, by the way, if it doesn't work through this process. Sure, and thanks for clarifying that, but,
Senator Bryan King
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45:27
you know, we're still a no vote would hold it at least for a little bit. So thank you. A no
Senator Jonathan Dismang
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45:34
vote would. Disallow the Writing of the appropriation. So it's more than a hold.
We wouldn't, we wouldn't go to those other steps. All
Senator Ricky Hill
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45:52
right, Senator Hill. Mr. Chair, I'd like to make a substitute motion and substitute motion would be to pull the Department of Correction out. All right. We have a motion.
Senator Jonathan Dismang
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45:59
To adopt and we've got a substance to adopt with the exception of the Department of Cress for a separate vote. Alright, we have discussion on that motion. Senator Payton.
Senator John Payton
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46:14
That motion pretty much goes along with my question, so. to
the chair. So if we did not uh Does it matter how we vote on it in here when it gets drafted into an appropriation bill that we're going to consider on the floor. With this substitute motion. Because the 3:30 to be in a separate approachpriation or would it have been anyway? It's going to
Senator Jonathan Dismang
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46:40
be separate anyway. This is going to allow the drafting of separate
Senator John Payton
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46:44
appropriations. OK, well, that was my question. So, so if we vote for this, governor's letter and for the drafting of the appropriation bill, then the proper time. to Discuss it or oppose it would be on the floor with the 75%. Or, or in
Senator Jonathan Dismang
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47:02
this committee. It'll be here first, OK. And
Senator John Payton
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47:04
would that be a higher threshold or just a simple majority? But the simple
Senator Jonathan Dismang
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47:09
majority to send it to the chambers. And just to restate,
so Senator Hill, you've got a substitute motion to adopt the report with the exception of the Department of Corrections letter. I mean, corrections amount. Yes Yes. OK, alright. Any more discussion on that motion, Senator, I mean, Representative Wootten, would it be appropriate to make
Representative Jim Wooten
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47:34
a substitute motion to the substitute. Yes, I You can. I'm asking the chair. Yes sir.
It would be. The motion would be that any further Appropriations regarding the Department of Correction would be handled separately before this body that is already the
how it would work. Yes, sir, whenever this bill, if this
Senator Jonathan Dismang
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48:04
is adopted, then there'll be separate appropriations and so that
I don't, I don't think your motion be needed unless I'm not sure what it would do. Well,
Representative Jim Wooten
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48:18
well, what to me, my intent. would be
that any consideration from the governor's office. Or from, well, from the
governor's office would involving the Department of Corrections would be handled separately. In other words, we'd pull out the $330 million and it would be handled in an appropriation recommendation
to this body separately, but it
would be included in the capital
Senator Jonathan Dismang
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48:52
projects. What But I, I think that's how it is today. That's what's happening today with the way they've written the letter. That that that's what that's the original vote
Representative Jim Wooten
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49:05
would do exactly what you're asking for. Well, no, you, you indicated to me when I'm say my what you and the, you indicated to me that we had to The one motion to adopt covered everything
Senator Jonathan Dismang
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49:19
to the drafting of appropriations for each one
of these items, but they would be in separate appropriations. There's one governor's letter to adopt. And then that would allow the drafting of separate appropriations. So the blind and deaf school is not going to be in the same appropriation as corrections. Those are separate.
Representative Jim Wooten
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49:40
So it would be separate according to Rick, uh, Senator Hill's motion. Now,
Senator Jonathan Dismang
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49:43
Senator Hill's motion is purely to allow a separate vote so to pull that one item from the governor's
Representative Jim Wooten
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49:50
letter for a separate vote. my motion is inappropriate. Is that
Senator Jonathan Dismang
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49:57
what you're saying, or I'm not sure what
Representative Jim Wooten
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50:01
we would accomplish with the motion. Well, it would this, this 330 million in any future. Department of Corrections appropriations would have to Come before this body. In other words, you, we, we, we would, they couldn't submit one, an
additional appropriation for another 450 million. I mean, we've already had an indication it could cost as much as a billion, and I, and I'm just trying to get it to where this body will have an opportunity before we send it to the full session to, to look at any appropriation. Yes sir,
that's how it would work today.
Senator Jonathan Dismang
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50:42
Yes sir, I, I don't think you have to have another process for that. That is the process. All right, thank you, Mr.
Representative Jim Wooten
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Chairman. Thank you. I withdraw my motion. Thank you.
Representative Les D. Eaves
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50:52
All right, Representative Eaves. Nope. Sorry about that. Mr. Sherman, so all of this was in one governor's letter, all these requests. Do we have the ability to take and split this governor's letter into multiple pieces like the, the second motion. We can, yes, we can vote on those separate. Thank
Senator Jonathan Dismang
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51:11
you. All right, so we've got a motion on the table to adopt the governor's letter with the exception of corrections, which will be voted separately. So I'll call for a separate vote of that. All those in favor signify
by saying aye. All those opposed? Motion. I'll let one deaf school know, Senator King. All right, now we have a 2nd motion to adopt the govern or the portion of the governor's letter for the $330 million appropriation request. Uh, for Department of Corrections. We have a discussion, and so we've got a motion to adopt. We've got a second discussion, Senator, I'm hitting the button for you, sir, as soon as I can.
Senator Gary Stubblefield
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Sir Stubblefield, you're recognized for discussion, I would ask for
Senator Jonathan Dismang
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52:06
a division of the chambers on this vote. OK. Need 3 hands.
Speaker 170
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Aren't going to vote by division. Yeah, we'll, we'll try it. Are
Senator Jonathan Dismang
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52:20
we, are you gonna push for a roll call in a minute. Either way. Well, it's just, it's just roll it.
Senator Stephanie Flowers
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52:30
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Starting with the house. So flowers.
Senator Jonathan Dismang
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52:44
Would, would you restate the motion that we're voting on. This is a motion to adopt the portion of the governor's letter relating to the Department of Corrections and the
Senator Stephanie Flowers
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52:54
request for a $330 million appropriation. So then we've already adopted. Uh, the governor's letter except
for the appropriation for the Department of Correction, is that what you're saying? I didn't understand that, that's correct. I was to vote separately. We out the Department of Correction. We did, and now there's
Senator Jonathan Dismang
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53:15
a vote for just the Department of Corrections. The other was approved or adopted. Thank
Speaker 171
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you. Thank you. Yes, sir. Representative Matthew Shepherd. Yes, Representative Holcomb.
Yes, Representative Richmond. No Representative Pilkington. Not seeing Representative Pilkington, Representative Annett. Second alternate represented McGrew represented Warren. Yes. Representative Kavanaugh, yes, Representative Lynch. Yes, Representative Evans, yes, Representative Milligan, yes,
Representative Walker. Yes, Represented Moore, not seeing represented more first often represented McGruder. Second alternate Representative Barnett. Representative McGee. out here. Uh So first alternate Representative Terra Shepherd, 2nd Representative Steele. Representative Wooton Representative Collins.
No Representative McCulloch. Representative Springer. Representative Hudson. Representative Garner. No Representative Lee Johnson, yes, Representative Clowney. No, Representative Gramlich. You see him. First alternate represented Whittaker.
Second Representative Jay Richardson. Representative Scott Richardson, yes. Representative Nick Burks, yes, Representative Eaves, yes, representing Ward law. Representative Langstrom. No, Representative Gazaway. He didn't hear you. Representative Wooton.
Speaker 180
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Yes. Yes. Most fails Alright, members, we're gonna try to
Senator Jonathan Dismang
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56:13
move quickly. We have about 3 minutes, uh, before.
Uh, we can be done if you can go to your Senate packet. Try to get some of these out. Page 2, Senate Bill 26 Department of Aeronautics Division. Any questions? Seeing none, we've got a motion to adopt Senate Bill 26. We've got a second in discussion, seeing none of those in favor signified by saying aye. Others opposed. Motion carries, page 14, Senate Bill 127, University of Arkansas at Fayetteville. Any questions?
We've got a motion. We've got a second in discussion on the motion, seeing none of those in favor signified but saying aye. Others posed motion. Motion carries Senate bill 245 Institution of Higher Education, page 16. Any questions on Senate Bill 245. Seeing none, we've got a motion. We've got a second in discussion on the motion. Seeing none, all those in favor signified by saying aye, all those opposed. The motion
carries. It's gonna take us to our house packet. Page 7, House Bill 1146. Attorney General. Do we have any questions on House Bill 1146. Seeing none, we've got a motion. Uh, do pass. We've got a second in discussion on the motion, seeing none, all those in favor signified with saying aye. All those opposed. Motion carries page 10, House Bill 1175 Park Heritage and Tourism.
Any questions on House Bill 1175. Seeing none, we've got a motion to pass. We've got a second in discussion on the motion. Seeing none, all those in favor signified by saying aye. All those opposed motion carries. House Bill 1193, turn to page 16. 1493 on page 16. Institution of higher education. Any questions on House Bill 1493. Seeing no questions, we got a motion to pass. We've got a second in discussion on the
motion, seeing none, all those in favor signified by saying aye. All those opposed, motion carries again on page 16 House Bill 1544. That is treasure of state county aid. Any questions on House Bill 1544. Seeing none, all those, uh, we got a motion to pass. We've got a second. All those favorite signified by saying aye. All those opposed, motion
carries. Corrections department, I'm scared to try. I'm gonna pass on that one.
Alright, members, that concludes our business for the day. We will see you here next Thursday will be our next meeting. We'll have plenty of uh uh committee meetings on the in between for subs. Thank you. Rejon.
Agenda
A. Call to Order
B. Reports and Communications
C. Consideration of Member Bills and Amendments
D. Governor’s Letter #12 – Executive Recommendations for Capital Projects for the 2025-2027 Biennium
E. Consideration of Bills Referred to Joint Budget Committee –
F. Bills Re-Referred to Joint Budget Committee HB1089 – Commerce Department – Waterways Commission
G. Other Business
H. Adjournment
Documents
| Title | Type | Pages | Source |
|---|---|---|---|
| Agenda — JOINT BUDGET COMMITTEE, Feb 27, 2025 | Agenda | 2 | Official source ↗ |
| B.1 Claims Subcom Report | Exhibit | 8 | Official source ↗ |
| B.2 Report of the JBC EBD Oversight Subcommittee February 2025 | Exhibit | 2 | Official source ↗ |
| B.3 JBC PEER REVIEW REPORT FEB 27 2025 | Exhibit | 27 | Official source ↗ |
| B.4 JBC - Imminent Need Contract 2-27-25 ADEQ with CTEH | Exhibit | 3 | Official source ↗ |
| GL12 25-27 Executive Capital Projects Manual 2-24-25 | Exhibit | 3 | Official source ↗ |
| HOUSE CaptionsList | Exhibit | 17 | Official source ↗ |
| JBC Bills Held in Committee | Exhibit | 6 | Official source ↗ |
| Member Bills 2-27-2025 | Exhibit | 14 | Official source ↗ |
| SENATE CaptionsList | Exhibit | 16 | Official source ↗ |
Speakers
Senator Jonathan Dismang
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Senator John Payton
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Representative Jon Milligan
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Senator Clarke Tucker
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Representative Frances Cavenaugh
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Representative Jim Wooten
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Speaker 61
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Senator Gary Stubblefield
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Senator Bryan King
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Speaker 114
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Senator Bart Hester
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Senator Kim Hammer
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Representative Brian S. Evans
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Speaker 146
Senator Jimmy Hickey, Jr
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Senator Ricky Hill
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Representative Les D. Eaves
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Speaker 170
Senator Stephanie Flowers
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