ALC-Game & Fish/State Police

You're today today is the second part of the concealed handgun last and important that we are you to cover we covered their first part of the meeting the last time we met in this the second part to kind of break it down where it wouldn't be as long so we do appreciate everyone coming today for the us and and look forward to some good information and help hopefully we got some good. Good good ideas to to move forward with our with their farm laws install appreciate everyone here and if you have not signed up you plan on speaking today please get done pretty fast in that way we'll have you heavy on the list. I'd like to turn it over to a mark but coach here today representative thank you mister chairman i'm all good it's good to see you all here. Thank you sir BLR will be presenting the summary of the rules to us but as you know they can operate opinions interpretation of the rules if you have a question that required response regarding interpretation or application of a law I would write your personal questions to representatives of the arkansas state police they're here today to to address all that if that being said we're gonna move round on with the with the agenda. Miss jennifer would you please introduce yourself for the record. Yes sir i'm jennifer crying and a legislative attorney with the bureau i'm assigned to this committee as well as the judiciary committee I was asked to be here today to as you've already stated to provide a summary of the arkansas state police rules concerning concealed carry of hand guns and interpacket you have the summary of the rules that are prepared and you also have the rules. And so i'll go heading it started you'll notice in my summary. After each rule such as rule one point oh there's a day that is what looks to be the most research iteration of each role and so i've identified the date in in the summary so. Chapter one of the rules applies to title in authority roll one point zero is just the title rule one point one the authority and purpose the rules are issued under arkansas code five seventy three three seventeen and twelve eight one oh four and following and the administrative procedures act the purpose is to provide guidelines in conformity with arkansas laws related to. Concealed carry roll one point two definitions there are definitions for several terms. Roll one point three the authority to issue license this rural provides that the director of the division of the arkansas state police may issue a license to courier concealed handgun under these rules and applicable laws. Roll one point four term of license and license at term is five years roll one point five exemptions law enforcement. This rule provides that these rules generally do not govern possession of a hand gan by certified law enforcement officer and the rural provides special provisions for renewal of a last since for a former sheriff or a retired officer. Raw one point six. Penalty for fast response or document this rule provides criminal and noncriminal penalties for providing false information in relation to an application for can still carry license. Roll two point zero. Describes. In chapter two is regarding the application for a license this rule describes what should. Be contained in the application form and the procedure for revisions to the forum by the arkansas state police. Roll two point one. Provides that an applicant may submit an application online or maybe request a form on the divisions website or through a firearms and structure. Roll two point two. Sets out their requirements for an application packet including the license fee waiver fingerprants proof of successful completion of an approved firearm safety training program and any other information required by the director. Roll two point three provides that fees are set by arkansas law or state and federal rules and that the division may issue and instruction sheet concerning fees. Chapter three pertains to license possession requirements. Roll three point zero provides that a license is to be used solely by the licensee. Yeah. Roll three point one provides that a licensee shell carry his or her license or an electronic coffee while possessing a concealed handgun. Roll three point two. Provides that a licensee shall provide the conceal carry license for inspection along with other photographic identification upon request for identification by law enforcement officer and shall notify an officer that the license is in possession of a concealed handgun when that is the case. Roll three point three provide said a law enforcement officer may search the arkansas crime information centered at a base for the current status of a license to carry a concealed hand gun. Chapter four applies to requirements for licenseer. The. Four point zero. Provides that the director shall issue a license when an applicant meets the requirements of arkansas code five seventy three three oh eight and three o nine. Four point one. Pertains to the application form provides that the application shall be. The form shall be promulgated by the director and shall include certain elements including questions related to the applicants fitness for issuence of a license criminal history a statement that the applicant understands the concealed carry law whether the applicant is applying for a restricted conceal carry license or an unrestricted concealed carry license. Roll four point two. Less documents and other items that must be submitted with the application including the license fee background check fees fingerprints certification of training and a waiver authorizing access to medical criminal military and other records. Raw four point three sets out requirements for the division in the processing of an application including fingerprint processing providing notice of the application to local law enforcement where the applicant resides and notifying the applicant of any potential problems with the application. Roll four point four applies to finger printing and it sets out the procedure to be followed after a fingerprint card is submitted and successfully including the resubmission. Raw four point five. Deals with unresolved arrests and it requires an applicant to obtain a disposition of any pending charges for an offense that could lead to disqualification from licenseer. In the event of an unresolved felony more than ten years old the applicant may obtain a letter of reference from the county sheriff prosecuting attorney or circuit judge. Chapter five deals with the renewal of a license. Five point zero set out the procedure for renewal of a license and application for renewal may be submitted no more than ninety days prior to expiration by submitting a renewal form and the other documents listed in the. Roll five point one provide said a license may be renewed up to six months after expiration when a late fee is paid with exemptions for members of the armed forces. Raw five point two. Provides that when a license is expired more than six months it becomes inactive and a licensee may submit an application for license as an initial applicant again with exemptions for members of the armed forces. Roll five point three. Provides that the director of the arkansas state police may deny an application for renewal on the same grounds as the denial of any initial application and an appeal of a denial may be made under the arkansas administrative procedures act. Chapter six deals with other changes to a license. Six point zero replacement license in the event that a licenses lost or stolen a licensee may obtain a replacement license upon submission of the proper form and payment of a fee. Rose six point one provides that a licensees shall notify the director within thirty days upon a change of address. Roll six point two provides that a licensee shall notify the director within thirty days upon a name change roll six point three. Deals with the death of a licensee and provides that notice should be provided upon the death of a licensee and that the license should be cancelled as of that person's date of death. Rule six point four. Provides that if a licensee voluntarily surrenders his or her license in the absence of suspension in a revocation proceedings the director shall cancel the license. Roll six point five. Provides that a license email upgrade his or her license to an enhanced license by completion of the training that is required under rule thirteen point three submission of the proper form and payment of fees. Chapter seven deals with license restrictions. Seven point zero provides that failure failure to comply with these rules or with the can sill carry. At statutes in the code is grounds for suspension or revocation of a license. Rule seven point one provides that a restricted license permits the licensee to carry. Concealed any legal hand gun other than a semi automatic hand gun. An unrestricted license permits the licensee to carry any legal handgun. Roll seven point two deals with general prohibited places and provides that a license with a non enhanced license is prohibited from carrying a considered handgun into certain places with several exceptions. And those places include a kindergarten three twelve school and institution of higher education a publicly own building the state capital or justice building. Umm I won't read all of them but this mirrors the places that are set out in the code. The. Seven point three enhanced license provides that a licensee with an enhanced license is exempt from certain prohibitions. Umm the prohibitions on conceal carry and publicly own buildings including the state capital. Once again this mirrors m code and there are several references to code in the rule. Seven point four. Enhanced prohibited places. Provide settle license with an enhanced license is prohibited from carrying a concealed handgun into certain places with several exceptions at once again there is a summary of those places and the rule itself contains references to several different codes sections. Yeah. Seven point five terms of enhanced license provides that an enhancement will remain on a license until the licenses revoked or inactive but it is subject to denial suspension and revocation just as a non enhanced license. Provides their renewal enhanced training is not re. Quiet for renewal. A licensee must obtain an arkansas conceal carry license for the enhanced certification and the enhanced certification shall not be extended to a permit issued by another state. Rule seven point six I apologize I failed to include a summary of that in my summaries. A but he do have the role in your packet and see three and that rule deals with restrictions on and enhanced license and the summary would be that subsection a of that rule provides that a licensee is not authorized to leave a hand gan and attended it must be in their possession unless it's left in a locked vehicle. Subsection b provides that. A hand gun carried under an enhanced and sill carry license must be concealed from observation so as to prevent public view. The. Next chapter eight deals with suspension of a license. Eight point zero license suspension sets out grounds and the procedure for license suspension. And it provides that the director of the arkansas state police may suspend a license when a licensee is arrested for or charged with an offense that could disqualify the person's from the person from license eligibility. I suspension may be appealed under the administrative procedures act. And also a license may be suspended by the office of child support enforcement. Roll eight point one provides at a law enforcement officer and making an arrest for an offense that could disqualify a person from license eligibility shall confiscate the license and forward it to the director or notify the director if the license is not in the license possession at the time of arrest. Ror eight point two. Permits the director to issue a written order of summary suspension of a license when the public health safety you're welfare requires emergency action and permits a hearing upon request by the licensee. Chapter nine deals with ravacation of a license role nine point zero requires the director to revoke a license if the licensee becomes ineligible is convicted of a crime involving the use of a weapon. Is convicted of an alcohol related offense while carrying a hand and it permits the director to revocal license if a licensee is determined to be a danger to himself. Herself others or the community at large or is under criminal investigation. Nine point one. Sets out the requirements for notice to a licensee of a revocation and provides that an appeal may be made under the administrative procedures act. Chapter ten are deals with administrative hearings ten point zero provides that any hearing concerning a person's qualifications after the denial of a license. In those hearings the burden of proof is on the applicant. But in a hearing concerning a licensees qualifications after a suspension or denial. The burden of proof is on the division. And hearings are conducted in accordance with the administrative procedures act. Roll ten point one. Provides it upon notification of a suspension or revocation a license shall return his or her license to the director. Or if not returned the license may be subject to seizure by anyone enforcement officer. Chapter eleven deals with re application after license revocation. And it provides that a person is not eligible to reapply for a license for twenty four months after a licensees revoked if a new application is submitted after the twenty four months are passed it shall be treated as an initial application. Chapter twelve deals with a reciprocity honouring other states licenses to carry. A concealed handgun twelve point one provides that a person possessing a can still curry license from another state is entitled to the privileges and restrictions of arkansas and sealed handgun carry laws federal law in these rules and it provides it in arkansas licensee has the responsibility of determining his or her own consiler carry eligibility in other states. Roll twelve point one provides that a person who becomes an arkansas resident after moving from another state in which here she was licensed. My transfer his or her license to arkansas by submitting to the division the proper form out of state license fingerprints and the fee. Rules twelve point three and twelve point four. It looks like there may have been an intent to repeal those but it's not clear I think that state police will be able to speak further on that but these rules do appear in the two thousand nine rules. Um they don't appear in the two thousand and eighteen rules that were adopted but then the twenty twenty rules refer back to the two thousand nine rules. At which would include these and so have included them. But twelve point three provides it the department shower maintain a list of reciprocal states. And that rule like I said when it was in place in two thousand nine that was when our state law allowed the director to determine which states we would have reciprocity with. Our state while changed later and we have resuprosity with all states so I don't think this rule it looks like it it may no longer apply and the same with twelve point four. Yeah. Chapter thirteen deals with the training requirement for concealed hand gun carry licenses. Thirteen point zero provides their prior to submitting an initial application a person shall complete and approved thorough safety training program the program shall consist of a minimum of five hours of instruction on topics including administrative matters avoiding victimization hand gun and concealed carry laws and counters with law enforcement inspection of handguns types of hand guns ammunition cleaning and storage of a handgun carrying concealed and classroom preparation for range instruction and the role also provides that the application most demonstrate proficiency by live fire. A current farm safety and structure registration may be submitted for the training requirement. Rule thirteen point one provides that additional training is required for renewal that must be completed within six months prior to the expiration up until six months after expiration. Rule thirteen point two provides an exception from live fire training for an active member of the armed forces. Rule thirteen point three. Provides it in enhanced carry training shall consist of approximately eight hours of training for after six hours in the classroom and two hours on the range the division may provide instructors with an examples syllabus and the following topics shall be covered. The consiler carry statutes in the raw specifies five seventy three one oh one to three three twenty five. The terms of the enhanced license and places where concealed carry is prohibited self defense and the use of deadly force techniques for weapon retention civil liability emergency situations in public locations and campus carry. Rule thirteen point four permits an applicant to request a waiver of the training requirements if the applicant qualifies for a waiver about completing and approved abreviated training program. Chapter fourteen deals with far armed safety training instructors. Fourteen point zero provides that the purpose of a far arm safety training and structure is to evaluate the level of competence of a perspective applicant or licensee. And two insurer that the person possesses a basic level of knowledge understanding and practical operation for the safe handling of a hand. In a structure shall not certify a completion of a training course. Unless the person meets the standards of training and an instructor may refuse to provide training if the instructor believes that the applicant is in capable of completing the program training must be completed in person online training is not permitted. Rule fourteen point one requires training records to be maintained by instructors for five years and also permits the division to audit records. This. The. Chapter fourteen. At. Sorry. Fourteen point two is the rule that right it sets out requirements for instructor registration including meeting the qualification requirements for a license to carry a concealed handgun they successful completion of an examination of mister administer about the division. Yeah it requires a forums instructor retaining certificate from an approved course listed in subsection be of the role. And there requires the instructor to offer enhanced training and submit a application background check fees and fingerprints permits the director to approve an instructor of registration for a person who fails to meet the qualifications. Roll fourteen point three requires all instructors that teach consiler carry training classes to also offer enhanced training classes. Chapter fifteen deals with the far armed safety training and structure requirements. Fifteen point zero provides that required minimum training courses must be approved by the director and shall include live ammunition and firing. Fifteen point one requires an instructor to comply with all applicable state county city and federal laws and provides the if an instructor ceases to be an instructor here she sell notified the director and provide all instructions records if requested. Also requires instructors to review a students license application for completeness unless the application is submitted electronically. Rough fifteen point two provides that an instructor of shall notify the division within thirty days of a change of address phone number or email address rule fifteen point three set out other requirements for instructors including the requirement that. In instructor include his or her registration number on all matters related to conceal carry instruction with certain exceptions for social media posts and a prohibits and instructor from using the arkansas state police star. Ro fifteen point four provides that notice of death of an instructor should be provided to the division and that instructor registration is cancelled as of the date of death. Fifteen point five. Provides that if a registered voluntarily surrenders his or her. Registration in the absence of suspension or revocation proceedings the division shall accept the registration the resignation in. The registration and cancel it fifteen point six provides that a registrant shell promptly notified the division if here she is arrested or charged with an offense which could lead to the ravocation of a license. The. Chapter sixteen deals with the denial suspension or revocation of a bar arms safety training and structure registration. Sixteen point zero sets out the grounds for denial of an initial registration. And the suspension and ravacation of an instructor registration. And the grounds include fraud or to see in competence or antrest wording or to comply with the law the commission of any act that would warrant the denial suspension or revocation repeatedly failing to check students non electronic license applications for completeness bellure to maintain a valid registration. And a request by the office of child support enforcement to suspend a registration. Rule sixteen point one provides that a prospective instructor is entitled to a hearing upon denial of an application for registration. Or upon the suspension or revocation of a registration. In a hearing on denial the burden of proof is on the applicant. But in a hearing. After a suspension of revocation the burden approve is on the division. Chapter seventeen deals with firearm sensitive areas. And it provides it all can sill carry licensee licensees including enhanced licensees are prohibited from carrying a concealed hand gun into places with far arms since the very is a proved by the division. Including the arkansas state hospital UAMS and a college athletic event. Seventeen point one provides that the or console state hospital UAMS and a college hosting a collegiant athletic event may apply to the division for approval of a farm sensitive. Area upon submission of a security plan that details the total number of people expected at the event the number of exits and entrances and other details concerning security. And then rule eighteen is just the effective date. And that concludes my summary. Thank you missed jennifer appreciate that there were a lot to cover in short time so we greatly appreciate you doing that. And. Committee if you have any questions that mission for might need to cannot cut into we try not to direct questions to her because she's not here to this is here to go through the law with us representative event. Name shared in for come back to eight point one. Is there any expansion to that statute that that clarifies. How that. Individual that is registered to with the permit it that's been confiscated if they are found not guilty in what they were being arrested for is there a specific procedures in place in the tom land as to how they would physically get that card back. I'm a do not see that that is specifically addressed in the rule. Do we know mischaired we doubt if the agency has. They're here maybe get them just to explain what their procedure is as far as if they're going to confiscate that for under license holder what is the timeline of procedure for that individual to get their license bad can you hold that for when I can when one one moment let's see if anyone else has the inclusion directly for her then sort of let them address it does anyone else have a have a question for missed jennifer. Saying none I want to clarify one thing while ago I said we're here to work in with the long were here on the rules not the laws I don't want to clarify that to everyone miss caroline. I have a question about fourteen point zero. About two third to the way down it says an instructor may refuse to provide training if the instructor believes that the applicant is incapable of completing the program. Um. Help I don't understand how an instructor would make that determination. Yeah. Representative I don't see that that is addressed in the roll but i'm sure that state police would be happy to answer that question thank you you're welcome. Representative if we could hold that for after representative even to go through a couple letter state please address that would it go straight on to them sure thank thank you mister jennifer. Yes we should feel wood please introduce yourself for the records and go we'll get to the questions for you. Glen please introduce yourself. Like more year service major for the state police. Hmm. Tiffned I guess i'm a literature to sign to the regular regulatory division at the state police thank you before we go on the questions or any comments that I would like to make. We've reviewed the rules recently and one of the things that we did notice is that we need to change some language in the air for the fingerprint requirement it needs to be brought back in line with act six thirty that's never been changed it's still talks about cards it needs to address the electronic fingerprint submission requirement. But other than that we believe they're in line with the statue they're written currently. Okay thank you. Representative evans can get back in the. The. Thank you mister in reverse to eight point one. And notice that live horsemen offs are making an arrest for an advance that could disqualify person from license eligibility to can't escape the license and ported to the director notify the director. So if that individual is found not guilty once they go to trial what is the procedure of the department in order for them to get that physical card their license back in their possession is there a timeline on that what is that procedure. Yes represent evans once we receive court documentation that shows that it was dismissed or not guilty then we instantly will send that license back to the actual cardholder but as far as a timeline that is spelled out ten days twenty days i'm not aware of any timeline but one will receive the documentary immediately send it back thank you. The. Thank you representative evidence representative brown would you let them back in the queue. The. I was just curious about fourteen fourteen. Point o and instructor may refuse to provide training if the instructor believes the applicant is in capable of completing the program kind of curious. About that one. Yeah. There isn't anything written but it would be up to the individual instructor and it would be a circumstance such as someone showed up to clients intoxicated erratic behavior may be made some sort of suicidal statement or something that would indicate to them that that person may not be a good candidate for a concealed carry thank you. The. Thank you representative centres double fields glad glad you could make it bar with us today if you would you can ask your question chairman good beer. The. My tiffany can you tell me who wrote the bill brought. Would you restate your questions center can you tell me who wrote the bill of right. They were that senator we need to stay with with the rules here this goes with rules. This this is going to where when it left let's go on with that question they're kind of going to change it up this little bit you would. Are asking another question differently mark can you tell me what will that look at it your note can you tell me what is it rule thirteen. I would need to look at my notes I don't have a memorized by the number seven so so we were assumed that all these people that we're going to put these rules on. Are going to care these notes around with them. The. I wouldn't assume that they would carry them I would hope that they'd reviewed them most of the rules covered the application process and give us the guidelines to issue the actual license which which you just said you reviewed these before you came in here I always revealed in your but you can't tell me what thirteenth I didn't memorize them by number no sir. Okay. I have some more questions later with general thank you in she had one out of him. The. Let's try to get let's try to get them are can you tell me your relative bill right. Apparently I didn't get very good grades in history so it was it would be gift matters can you tell me why he wrote the bill. Again I can't look limit let me give you just a little bit because I study constitutional lot he brought the build right. Because thomas chiefsand and the other found have said there weren't enough guard teams in the constitution to get it to exact senator little assassinate question the state stay with the subject here okay I know I know this involves that but that they stay with stay stay with the flow. I'm not sure when this alternative to the second moment which is what we're talking about I understand what you're saying when it let's ask a question question directly so they can enter. Thank you. The. Anyone else having questioned. Santra if you have another question over there i've read to bring you back in to keep you asked the question the state stay with the subject on it. Yes sir. If you can ask a question and go directly with it. Well i'll. You're not in the queue you want back in the huge. Okay go ahead. Could we fix it by long. Okay any other questions for the state late. Sixty nine. Representative long thank you mister chairman I was like yes third is to mistake under seven point one I was bring a job explained to me the difference between the restricted license permit. In the unrestricted license period and may have missed that in the summary earlier but. I'm not a serious it says you can't use a a small amount of hand gun if you don't have the unrestricted as well what the difference was the difference would be what type of weapon when you apply you have to check if you want to use a revolver or some automatic kind of if you check some automatic your unrestricted if you check revolver only then you have it restricted license. And he can only use a revolver answer. Okay thank you. Appreciate no one else in the queue so thank you very much and will go into the game and fish thank you. The. Direct boost. Good afternoon sir i'm also to director the arks okay in fish commission we have no comment or response to the information bridges that provided think most that applies asp but we welcome any questions. Any questions for our director both protecting to these rules. Centres doublefield was chairman sector both good heavier day do you need any of these rules via like the american disbuilt. I do not know the answer to that question sir would you find out certainly okay yes sir thanks. Like a center. Any other questions for director both. Saying none thank you for your time to cheap police association. Is there anyone here with them. See none will move on prosecutors. The. The. Please are doing she's up for the record. Am lorry compuris mr chairman the deputy prosecutor coordinator we have no comments a day but we are here in case of any questions. Are there any questions for the proschedule. Saying none thank you for your down. Share association. Seeing no one here with them will move route on to the department transportation. In please interest up for the record. Good afternoon michelle david port chief legal council for the arkansas department of transportation and we don't have any comments on the rules today however if you have any questions we'd be happy to address this. Who is there any questions. The. Saying none thank you for your time thank you. Yeah. We're going to move on to a to public comment now is this to reminder that that the topic for today's meeting is concealed carry rules and they applied to four. You will be permitted to provide public comments only on the topic we are covering the day as we go forward over the next several months we will take up different topics each month and as you may probably your comments on those topics at that time please keep your comment to the committee related to the topic of today's meeting. And we'll start out with miss. Leohern. Thank you ma'am. Yeah. Yeah. Mistakesy. Okay well thank you thank you. Robert stamuck. The. If you would play their issues. Other record. The. The. One more time you had it. Yeah. Okay thank you sir my name is robert standbook I am a law professor i'm a lawyer of a columnist for the democrat gazette and am gun right advocate i'm here in my personal capacity and i'm here with my client in cocounsel chris corbett and I wanted to comment sure on some of the testimony from the last hearing is that permissible not from the last meeting at this we're stick strictly with the rules okay so then I don't have anything specific on the rules and and all the end my testimony it was I look forward to discussing some of the issues that came up at the last hearing regarding the scope of proposed changes that every van will do that is that the next meeting will do that. For recommendations for recommendations yes. Yes there will be it we have the network is covering the rules on on this meeting understood i'm available for any questions we have any any questions. Thank you something none thank you sir. The. Same column. Please introduce yourself same column with the arkansas river valley gun club. Hi i'm george held from the architect revealed again here together and thank you sir please go head. Yes if you would like to make some comments on the on the rules that they put out the thank you pretty state please sit there going to revise the rules to where they have to have electronic fingerprinting. We address that is a gun cleve when we're doing classes and we said that's a huge financial burden to the instructors. And they said well it was required by the legislature. So i'm not sure who. Brought that on if you look at the purchasing of electronic thank you it seemed working for denied thousand dollars to make a tobacco system it's compatible with the arguments are state police. Their hold game plan here was. Well what would make available some harvest juries around the state and will get one of the fingerprint harvesters to come to your class no he may be from letter archie may be from bent and they'll are wherever but will get him to come to rust available for a fee. So it makes it very impractical to go to an electronic fingerprinting I don't want to that bells been wrong I don't like an unringing or not but it's not a very reasonable requirement for most of the instructions you're in the state of arkansas. And one of the things that young lady said when she is reading rules it says about reciprocity we have rest proceed with everybody know that's not true we honor everybody's permeates but there is about twelve states give it won't honor ours and in less we have occurred to dandle in further states no if you're honor ours will owner yours but it legislature took out a way from us I don't know where years ago and said well we're just honor everybody's permits come on there so the states it won't honor hours will never honour hours they've got nothing to gain. So we'd like the legislature to look into that if you would please. And the last thing is I have is an enhanced training to get an enhanced permit more of the requirements in that lower is the instructor has to read that law to the class. Read it to the class. That's horrible but there's a part is they can't get an enhanced permit unless they barely got a permit ok to get a permit they had to be drug kicken and screaming through the lower they should know the law in the same we're going to set you down and read you that law for the next three hours. It's just not reasonable so I don't know how we can revise that to get that claim debt to her. The people that get you like you're going to read this that law. Okay go ahead will sit here. So you're you're boring the class in shutting them off to whatever rear promotion you want him to have because you're going to sit there and read them like third graders you're going to read him this law. So that's my comments I appreciate it you have any income instead appreciate your time and will take it in consideration what you said thank you. What we have a question for your period which a man that that was overlooked at. Yeah. Central staff will get back on questions. One simple question do you know if any of the illegal. Margarets that have come to cross a border of fingerprint that's about amount wale houser I have no clue. That's about my paygrade so you don't you don't know. I suspect they're not okay to him thank you center in further questions any other questions for they leave saying no thank you. Do. Good afternoon took bender with instructor with get trained be ready just a couple of general observations on the rules one recommendation would be that if you're gonna if you're going to refer to code just refer back to the source document for example in the current rules that are out there there appears to be a discrepancy and prohibited places based on the twenty twenty three legislative session that just managed so instead of causing a discrepancy between the the code and the rules we just refer back to the source document if that's all we're doing is referring to the source document instead of a quoting the source document again. One recommendation the second recommendation and it might help with some of the other comments that were made is if we opened up when you wrote the rules if we put a period out there where the stake holders could make public coming we could we could address some of these questions and get get some input from the state police on what their thought processes or or maybe work to a more uh get to a point where we can maybe clarify some of the things they were going on I want to thank the state police I appreciate what they do and and I appreciate that I want to thank them but I think if we had more input from the state holders that had to use these rules it might uh might help is out a little bit and while it's not i'm gonna deviate just a slight bid here I know you're talking about concealed carry but we also teach csos and there's some rules there that have caused that actually diminished I think diminished the program and have cost a missus for those so I hope we're gonna address that some time in the future I will get into it here but again if the stakeholders had an opportunity to weigh in on the rules that at the time then I think it would give us the best program possible. That's all I have thank you and then we should be around address echo or dressing a lot of. A lot of things that will freak prepreciate your time your comments. That mr shelton like it's craig and shelton. Not I don't see him here. After absolutely that being yesterday okay. But that would do with the deal with the public comment. Any other question to comment from the committee. Center eyes. Yeah for next time could we have clarification. On the lower concerning the finger braining and then our soul the question that the german router. I can remember something on that. About the carst in the harristing of fingerprints. On the and i'd like to have clarification that's evidently asp may have been the one that told them they wouldn't help with harvesting but I would like there to be clarified next door. Were you under next time would you like calls stately something if they know it yet if they don't don't know at them are given to hand get that together for it. We'll get what print will leave the leave that decision to do and what they want to send a rasp that's okay with you thank you. Soon to rass if you would please state your questions again on his can you refer back what to fingerprint. Gathering law is was that passed but alleged later win. And then go into if you heard the gentleman's question on it was there something from asp that soon you know because of the cost he referred to nine thousand dollars and remember her some doubt about there would be some assistance of getting those can you give us any further information to clarify and xix thirty of twenty twenty one required that i'll fingerprint for civil purposes be submitted by electronic means. That includes the board of nursing department any kind of licensing anything like that so that was inacted by the legislature a couple of years ago as far as are assistance in the actual fingerprinting we have an. There are more than four hundred and thirty three large skin locations available in the state many of them are have available services to the public. They can pick and choose what types of fingerprints that they will take by and there are there are at least one available in every county in the state. Okay do you know if there was any. Offer from the state police as was stated to pass the happy harvest those from from some way from a remote location no sir none that i'm aware of thank you. Thank mister. Anyone else have any questions when the state places back up. Saying none thank you for your time again. Thank you. The. Seeing no other comments or questions i'd like to make sure the next meeting is scheduled for february the twelfth. Twenty twenty four at one pm. On february that twelve we will take up recommendations regarding the regions of the foreign laws related to concealed carrier laws and regulations and honey only members of the subcommittee will be permitted to make recommendations if you have any proposed recommendations to present the submittee please email a short summary of your proposal to matthew baber or committee analysts about thursday february the eighth twenty twenty four remember these recommendations will not have full complete will not have full confidentiality as both chairs will see these recommendations. Proposed recommendations don't need to be detailed they suggest a starting point for the subcommittee discussed determined whether they explore the proposed revisions further and have been already to begin the research and wrapping process next topic will be on possession and open carry on march the eleventh twenty twenty four at one pm in room a. I will remind the public through and rest in providing comments that you can sign up online or in person before the meeting on february where the twelfth. Thank you very much for your time we are journed.