Public Health, Welfare and Labor Committee - Senate

In today to hear bills that were sent back to the Committee of what we want to welcome you we're glad you're here and I have already told so many people of what what we expect and I just wanted to go over them for the third time but somebody said we couldn't hear you so less less so and no one will say well we didn't we didn't hear it we didn't understand. All right First of all. The silence your cell phone. All right sometimes I think we all think they're off and they're still alone so please check please silence your cell phones. And then the other thing is if you have come to speak for or against the bill for those of you who have been to committee before you know we do that at the end of the bill. And coming after someone else has come on that same bill saying the same thing will not help your bill so if you've got some new information and that's why you need to listen very closely to the speakers that are coming to the table if you've got new information that's different but if you've got five people saying the same thing that doesn't help and if if you've got five people saying the same negative thing about the particular that doesn't help either so if you're with the group get with one person and let that person come to the table we say time and that we got twelve bills today and we do have a. We do have to be in the chamber at eleven o'clock and so about to ten fifty we will adjourn at so that these members can get back on the floor of the Senate after that we hope to come back and finish the ones that we have not heard so don't be discouraged the bills will be heard. So Again saying the same thing whether it's negative or positive about the bill does not help and I'm going to ask this of if it please please be courteous during the meeting no clapping no cheering no brewing none of that and if you do I'm going to ask that you leave we can't hear appear if there's all of that going on. So again. We want this to be a good experience for all low key. And with that. I see a quorum the chair sees a quorum and the meeting started. And Senator Blake Johnson I believe you're going to be first. And you have the Senate bill. Seven thirty two and you are recognized to present your bill and do you have an amendment I do all right. Members if you take a few minutes to look over the amendment. All right ladies and gentleman. Senator Johnson would you explain your amendment. Thank you chair members The Amendment correct two things that I would like to include in the bill and that is giving a positive incentive for the vaccine I I did not intentionally disallow that for an employer and that's not a corporation as far as threatening or with the job but it's you know give them a bonus or whatever that's that's the first part of the amendment and the second part allows any other funds of federal funds that may be available to become available to be used also. And that's the amendment all right to have any questions on the amendment. Seeing no questions. We have a motion to adopt. Second all those in favor say aye all those opposed the amendment has been adopted and if you would proceed with your bill thank you members I thank ever member has heard. Yesterday what that I presented ending it to close on but this is a matter of coercion and it includes all persons in the in the state of Arkansas not just employed persons but this this bill gives the same protections as we have in the school systems in Arkansas for many years and that is the medical country indications the religious and philosophical beliefs religious and philosophical beliefs is and medical content cation is in federal law and the of philosophical belief is in Arkansas law in the education system so this gives everyone those same exemptions and if if taken as punitive in an employment situation. Then it would allow them to be compensated equal to what they would get unemployment if we have the funds to do so. All right. Any questions for senator Johnson. All right seeing no questions. Does any in anyone in the audience. Okay we have a list here but it's a process I say does anyone in the audience want to speak for or against. A I have a a it looks like. Ashley Vance. Mr Vance or Mrs Mantz okay if you would come to the table and to are you speak for or against. You speak for now the next time I call it will be against I'll go for and against so if you would sit at the table and You're going to speak for the people that are coming up behind to these are my children yes and your name is Ashlee Vance S. the bands all right you are recognized to speak for the bill thank you ma'am. The people you all represent here in Arkansas we need this. And we need to back us you're the only ones that you're here to speak for us. And I've seen a lot of that have been voting against. S.. My job will be terminated as of January first I am a single mother. This is my one. I work twelve hour shifts at a plant insured in Arkansas. And they have told me if I do not receive this vaccination. I will be fired. I will be terminated. But they won't say they fired me they're going to say that I voluntarily resigned. I told. That. People are the government seems to be exempt and do not have to take this vaccination. How can you decide for me what's right for me when you're not being threatened when your job not being threaten your families not being threatened. Please take that in consideration I will have to sell my home. And I may not be able to afford to feed my kids. These are the faces of the people they are supposed to protect. This. We count on the office. Please. He there for us turn this back into the great United States that was when our forefathers. Made it so and remember what they did. Please we beg you there are many like me with my same story. All right thank you all right thank you for that testimony. All right just an announcmenet up women ma'am. UP next dance if you wouldn't mind coming back. We're going to see if the court a committee has some questions for you if you don't mind all right thank you so much all right committee do you have questions for this witness. All right seeing none thank you so much you were very concise and to the testimony thank you thank you ma'am all right we have some something that to we would like to the committee to note right under us it's a room about this size and little bit larger and they will have seating for everyone and you can watch it on the monitor and you don't have to stand and when your time comes up I'll call out the name and you can come on up and we will hear you so if there is any if any of you would like to go to the room right and Doris of then we will yes follow him. Really nice. All right sure first all right we have someone to speak against this bill Josh Silverstein if you would come here okay. And. Please say your name for the record please. Greening that's on. Yes yes my name is Josh Silverstein and I'm a law professor and I live and work here in Little Rock however I'm speaking here today in my individual capacity I'm not speaking behalf on the university where I teach. I want to thank for the committee for this opportunity to testify against Senate bill seven thirty two my comments are a little bit broader so they apply to some of the other bills as well. Conservatives have long believed in the sanctity of property and contract rights and liberals of which I am one of not far behind in their concern for such rights accordingly in the United States we generally allow parties to freely contract with whomever they choose and to restrict access to their property in whatever way they deem appropriate such liberties in a central feature of the American economic system which is largely capitalist and market based and such liberty is justifiable on what philosophers call both consequential list and down to logical grounds put more simply liberty of contract and property both increase human welfare and our goods as ends in themselves meaning liberty is a right to be valued in its own way. Of course property and contract rights are not absolute there's a multiplicity of other compelling concerns in our society such as to preserve the physical safety and property of others as seen in the laws of nuisances some environmental regulations that limit contracting property rights but freedom of contract and property rights are bedrock principles of our Republic. Senate bill seven thirty two and other proposals like it that would bar employers from requiring employees and or their customers to be vaccinated are fundamentally inconsistent with the rights to contracting property the conservatives claim to hold dear frankly it is quite surprising to a liberal like myself to see conservative so quickly jettison their concern for property and contract rights. I spent a lot of time trying to convince my fellow liberals that they should have a greater appreciation for property contract markets and capitalism I was most glad to see the Bernie Sanders wing of the Democratic Party Payton backs only in the primary last year. But it now appears that it isn't just liberals that we need to worry about apparently some conservatives aren't as close to committed as markets private enterprise and liberty as they should be. Moreover bills like Senate bill seven thirty two don't just over right property and contract rights without a compelling justification they do so in a context where property and contract rights are being exercised skews me for interrupting but there's someone here in the in the audience that has a camera with the flash and it is bothering one of the committee members so if you would either take off the flash. Okay all right thank you please forgive me for interrupting not at all. Bills like Senate bill seven thirty two don't just override property and contract rights without a compelling justification they do so in a context where property and contract rights are being exercised by private enterprises to protect the physical health safety and even lives of their employees and customers from a deadly pandemic but is killed over six hundred thousand Americans and many millions across the world we all need to understand what is at issue here some private businesses are choosing to exercise their contract and property rights to only deal with individuals who are vaccinated they are doing so because they quite rightly fear for the health and lives of their customers and employees. Business is in this context purchased exercising their property and contract rights for commercial purposes they are adopting vaccine mandates for both such purposes and to protect the health and lives of the people they work with the people they do business with and the people they live with if private companies are prohibited from requiring proof of vaccination then the government of the State of Arkansas will literally be telling businesses that you are forbidden from physically protecting your own customers and employees again that is shocking and all the more so because it is conservatives or arguing for such a significant limitation on the rights of private enterprise I can't think of any political philosophy at any point along the American political spectrum that would approve of barring players from requiring vaccination to protect their own customers and staff. Restricting the right of employers to require vaccines would be like the government barring employers from requiring their employees be sober on the job so they don't injure someone while drunk or like barring employers from requiring their employees have adequate training with dangerous equipment to minimize the risk of injury in this country we sometimes limit property and contract rights when commercial values are plausibly outweighed by other values such as physical safety but here physical safety and commercial values are on the same side that's the case for women in contracting property rights here is exceptionally weak. I understand the concern of many of that many of you have for the jobs and financial well being of those who choose not to be vaccinated such as the person who testified before me at no point during the pandemic of I supported a government imposed national or statewide vaccine mandate but the solution isn't to run roughshod over property and contract rights the solution is something like Senator garner's proposal and SB seven thirty and senator hammers and SB seven thirty nine that those who lose their jobs due to their vaccine status receive unemployment benefits that is a reasonable compromise that provide support for those who choose not to get vaccinated while preserving the contract rights of every Arkansas business right to those businesses sometimes wish to exercise to ensure the safety of their clients and workers. I've been trying to think of a law anywhere in the American legal system that bothers employers from protecting the health and lives of their own customers and employees in circumstances like this I'm a lawyer in a law professor I've got a lot of experience with the law and I can't think of one. Thank you for listening I will be happy to answer any questions and you may cross be offered testifying for any other bills because my testimony would otherwise be duplicative so this is it for me today all right thank you Committee you have any questions Mr Silverstein. All right Senator Hester you're recognized I appreciate your testimony I completely agree with you that most of these are we're gonna vote on today are are anti free market for the free market is tough it's tough we allowed to work more in this room right here because we don't want to allow the free market to work right there's no question about that do you believe that the government should requirement wage. I don't. But I believe the government has the authority to do so but I don't believe the government should require minimum wage this is one of the areas where I've tried to convince my liberal friends in the Democratic Party I doubt better alternatives to helping those that a minimum wage for example a negative income tax such as that argued for by Milton Friedman I believe that the poor in this country and the working poor the responsibility of all of us as I think it's unfair to place that burden on those businesses within the market who are paying for a service that is generally worth less than the minimum wage and so I think if we're going to help those in poverty or at the bottom of the working class that is a collective responsibility and we she due to the tax and spend system not through the minimum wage and I voted against the minimum wage when I was on the ballot a number of years ago. Thank you I was just gonna see your consistent you I try to be I'm not perfect like any of us but I try to be consistent and it was conservatives like Milton Friedman and Friedrich Hayek who convinced me that I might have the right values but I sometimes have the wrong means right thank you all right ladies and gentleman Yes please. Thank you a great see this morning glad you here thanks for to killing your thoughts against one trying to get my mind around is and you can help clear it up. In some way are we not treating human life like property by the fact that we are requiring that something the injected into them that they have a philosophical difference or religious for even a medical exemption when we refuse that ride how have we not treated that human life as an object which is I think contrary to what we as humans should be doing I need your answer that please so they're two things I want to say in response I am open to some type of exception for those where the vaccine is medically contraindicated I think that might be a kind of a middle ground where we might operate. But I'm also gonna partly dispute the premise of your question because as I said I'm not in favor of the vaccine mandate from the government or at either the national or the state level or even the local level what we have here are private businesses that are saying we're going to require a vaccine and if you don't want to you will have to go in deal with someone else whether you're one of our customers or employees and we're doing that because we're trying to protect the health safety and lives of our own employees and customers we're not gonna let you put a risk on other people that we are working with. Yes follow up. So what about if you have you have a a number of deaths but I won't tell you about the number of this I think a good inquire read as to how those deaths have been classified would be money well spent to determine if all those deaths there are really COVID related to port to the extreme number one number two when you have a debate as to the good or the bad of the vaccine and you have evidence misconduct put into citation room you got decide which scientists must post to pay for which doctor which lawyer your have different opinions what do you do when you're in a situation where we have claims that the vaccine has actually had detrimental effect you have examples where the vaccine has had no positive affect so why do we say we're going to force the the one when both sides present different arguments I think it's a great question. First let's assume the evidence is mixed that's exactly the circumstance in which we allow the market to operated which we allow people to choose in which the government does not step in if the evidence is in fact mix and I certainly agree that while we've been dealing with a pandemic for about eighteen months we need a lot more research on what's going on and we need that research to be free and open and unbiased in on pressured from any point on the political spectrum when evidence is mixed when we don't know exactly what's going on those are precisely the circumstances were liberty freedom of contract and property rights should govern on top of that I would add that the vast majority of the evidence supports the conclusion that the disease itself is far more dangerous than the vaccine no vaccine is free from side effects there are real concerns there but the fact pandemic the virus itself is multiples of times more dangerous than the vaccine so the evidence may be a little bit mixed and so that's a situation where we allow private individuals and businesses to decide for themselves who they wish to associate with but on top of that when they choose to put in place a mandate they are acting against the what is by far the greater danger based on the available evidence. In two Senator any other questions from the committee. All right seeing them thank you so very much thank you may I do here all right there no other of people who would like to speak again against the bill but we have some that would we in fact we have none that want to speak for the bill and does someone have a consensus yes Sir. I didn't want anyone. Professors at very low. Well. Then you would be speaking for the bill. Committee. Yeah. Thank you said all right of the committee agrees that you can come to the table and if you would make your comments a very quick very quick very quick on. Yes. Madam chair honorable members of the Senate thank you so much for being here today we appreciate the opportunity I'm not a law professor at any center or legally trained in any sense but I would just point out that my grandfather's face is on a dozen of the pictures that hang in the upper levels of this building Roscoe Delano brown I'm not saying that some kind of special status I'm just pointing out that I that I like to think I have a special respect for your positions and the work you do because my family history I would just like to reinforce Senator hammers point that I believe even though I'm not legally trained the professor was arguing for property and contract rights as a main he seems to be arguing those property and contract rights extend to the bodies of the employees from my understanding that seems very simple and very clear in his argument I do not think that is the case also appoint out as far as not allow people to imbibe alcohol before they come into work that is the case of keeping something out of their bodies for the purposes of work whereas they would put something for something in their bodies when they're not at work because of the effects of these vaccines are lasting and that is the only counterpoint to have thank you very much for limited is two minutes please the Committee you have any questions seeing none thank you very much now ladies and gentleman there nine people that have signed up to speak for this did. Remember to do not come to the table and say the same things and I'm going to go down the list and if you want to to just say A change my mind or I don't have anything new to add Ms Hendrick. Manager Steve. I was signed up first on the list the statement for the bill. All right yes you yes you let's see yes you did you're right please come to the table. Remember we're talking about and you thanks any anything to add thank you all right. Please tell us who you are and who you I believe you represent families of Arkansas yes ma'am all right thank you very much my name is Debbie Stevens and I appreciate the opportunity to speak on behalf of my family and other families in Arkansas. I graduated in two thousand nine with a master's degree in education administration from L. S. U. S. and I'm currently working on an additional degree from S. A. U. my husband and I chose to move from Louisiana to the beautiful Washita mountains located in Montgomery County almost ten years ago we love it here and we truly it's truly become our home we have four children and ten beautiful great children the reason I'm here today is to educate you on how the vaccine can and does affect the lives of voting Arkansas our Kansans around the state and personally my family my mother is a seventy three year old breast cancer survivor she went through double mastectomy and many rounds of chemo in order to win her battle against the deadly disease she failed due to her vulnerability with illnesses that it would be in her best interest to take the vaccine she took her first shot in June and had very few side effects per second shot she received in July at that time she experience very few side effects as well she hasn't been able to resume somewhat of a normal life in the middle of a pandemic she's been able to return to business in her family which she kept herself isolated before I'm also here today to speak to you on behalf of my forty nine year old healthy brother in law George who no longer can speak for himself George could light up a room with his infectious laugh and his silly antics he was the kindest spirit I have ever known he loved his family with his whole heart he was a big teddy bear who chairs Saturdays watching his Miami you games. All of that changed in late July. In order for George to attend his daughter's graduation from physician assistant school in New York he was required to present documentation that he had been vaccinated no vaccine card no admission into graduation. Who's going to miss their child's graduation after accomplishment accomplishing such as a feat such as great as that therefore he felt he had no choice but to get the vaccine Mr graduation or get vaccinated sounds kind of familiar vaccination or lose your job what did he do he felt he had no choice he reluctantly took the Johnson and Johnson vaccine two hours later he started running a fever and just three weeks three short weeks later my sweet sister in law had to make the hardest decision of her life to turn off life support that were keeping him alive after having a massive strokes and brain hemorrhages due to the vaccine he was gone. August nineteenth of this year. and he must be in healthy state no he was just your typical forty nine year old you want to know the irony of the story. He missed his daughter's graduation but his daughter missed her graduation as well because she was at the bedside of her father who was dying. He missed her he's he's going to miss her wedding he's going to miss his fiftieth birthday he will miss our family thanksgiving vacation he will miss the birth of his beautiful grand children all because he was pushed coerced and backed into a corner to get a vaccination that he didn't even need because guess what else he had had covid in March and had survived it and I feel certain that he still had the antibodies just as I do from when I had COVID in December and I test myself regularly for antibodies and I still had antibodies when my child. Caught covid four weeks ago. And I was fine. Don't do this to another family in Arkansas. I'm begging you I pray that you will make the right decision and allow the citizens of Arkansas the individual freedom to make their own choice thank you and god bless all right committee to have questions for this witness. Start singing and thank you so much for your testimony. I went. Where you legally able to see any compensation from Johnson and Johnson for from the institution that required the vaccination have you pursued any or were you told that you could not my. Currently my sister in law is seeking attorney advice on that thank you all right thank you all right the next is Henrik is Hendrick I have already called it didn't. K. love. Yes it is. She would come to the table please and tell us who you are where you're from for the record my name is Kayla Hanneke and. I am a mother of three small children at home school my children. Which is it a huge blessing but also still work for a medical facility. I've worked in healthcare for the past fifteen years serving my community in some capacity for the last ten years I spent as a respiratory care practitioner I'm the first person that you will see when you come to the hospital with code I'm the I'm the person that will interest you when you have to go on a ventilator I'm the person that has to a manager in a later settings and I'm also the person that has to face time your family as I'm standing at the head of your bed side bagging you telling your family what we're doing. I have worked for the past two years and COVID units and if anybody is well versed on proper PP it's those of us who work in the medical industry. Over the past fifteen years I've come in contact with TB meningitis flu countless countless different things but because we are well educated on how to properly protect ourselves with provided PP I have never once contracted anything. Over the last Well my it's it's been it's been made aware that you know we're we have been asked to get the get the vaccination or we lose our job with their job October thirty first so that's very very soon as I said I'm a mother of three small children and we have to have my job. I have to go to work to provide financially for my family to put food on the table to make sure my kids have clothes on the on their backs and a roof over their head they are my responsibility but I also have a responsibility to myself and to protect my own health is wealth and by working in a facility that is giving me an option of either taking something that I do not personally agree with or losing a job that really puts you in a really hard spot and you know as as as as a. Christian conservative mother I have to stand up for what I know is the right thing to do and I have to be here for my children. And that may look like it may happen to lose the job so my children don't lose their mother. As as a human being I'll. I was injured already once. And I will not let myself go through it again I'm still dealing with with issues that I it took me six years to get over and so for me to be told that I have to inject something into my body that could either mean life or death or lose my job I'm not okay with that and so I thank you so much for allowing me the time to speak and share my story all right we do have some questions Senator Hammer thank you committee chair the employee that you work for does the employer wish that they had the option to give you that if it was there they would extend to you or are they wanted to be in compliance with federal mandates that require you to be vaccinated they're wanting to be in compliance. So with the with the mandates so do you think if they had the option where they could allow you to do something else other than the get the vaccine is that something that they wish they had a pathway for that is not available to them now we are able to send in exemptions but unfortunately some have been approved in some have been denied and as we were just sitting here I got a text of my phone that my sister in law her exemption religious exemption was just denied so. You know it there's been some discrepancies and whose approved and has denied so. Okay so we're what year did you apply for an exemption I did but I have not heard anything and they told us they weren't sure when when we would find out but like I said the deadline to be vaccinated October thirty first and we're already you know in October so that I think it was very much time to take care of what we need to take care of thank you. Or any other questions from the committee. Start seeing none thank you so very much for your testimony. All right again anything you. M. going down the line I believe we have a Robertson. All right if you would come to the table and introduce yourself. Well short term. I think we're waiting on someone else's yes sorry I'm going to speak to myself and I'm gonna speak for my husband as well because he's on the list but he really doesn't wish to speak all right My name's Levine Robertson we have eight children is my husband Anthony Roberson he is a permit disabled veterans hi he served nine deployments for you all I was a teacher in PCS a state PC here last County I gave up my career to come back home due to my son who is disabled the medication that was labeled as pregnancy safe. I took that medication and it made it where part of his brain did not form. Therefore he will never be able to live on his own. So right now on the way here I listen to Dr Dolla Hey. Push and encourage pregnant women to take this vaccination. Without very many studies without very with very little time to know what will happen to these unborn children. When the medication I took had gone through studies had data. And they were still wrong. It had damaged thousands and thousands of babies. And because I know miscarriages. We don't have the proper studies to know. What's going to happen to these children. We're not given these pregnant women who work No committee and health care many teaching positions many in other types of jobs the option to not take it because apparently they are property. That's what we're hearing that they are no different than a tool in the shed no different than a mask and no different than a vacuum cleaner no different than a pencil or computer. And that's not OK. Every single one of us have an inherent right to protect our own bodies. We ever liberty to our own bodies and we have the right to protect our own children when they're inside of us. And so when there is a medication that is brand new that we don't have the studies to no long term effects on our own adult bodies nevertheless the long term effects on the children inside of us that we are responsible to grow. To to to protect to feed. How dare. You will pressure us how dare you tell us that we'll lose our jobs that possibly an employment will be available for these mothers how dare you take their health insurance that is not okay. You don't know what will happen to these children. I love all of my children and I will protect my son into his last day. But I wish that he could live a normal life. That was stolen from him. And everyone of these other mother should have that choice not forced on them all right now I'll speak to a different thing. My husband served nine towards overseas just to protect your rights as citizens your liberties or freedoms. He took three full series of the anthrax vaccine. It is permanently damaged because of the anthrax vaccines. There were no exemptions in the military for vaccines at that time now because of the massive debacle of the anthrax vaccine because it would have to go through congressional permit for national security reasons. To be used. And it therefore is approved for that usage only because it was wartime issued they could use on the military. He he took it all every single time. He didn't have a choice because of the Bakul there now exemptions for the military their exams for the military that they can use but you are not wanting to give those same exemptions to the citizens out here. So the military are trying to use their exemptions. As of all of the disabilities that were. Put on them all the veterans whose careers were stolen from them because he can't have a full time career. We live on the A. compensation an SSD I that is not the life we had planned that is not the career path that we have plant. That is only so much dignity from this man. And now you are telling the workers of this state. Conservative constitutional state this is supposed to be a constitutional based state that's what we stayed here. We settled our family here. You're telling all of the citizens that they can't have the same right to exemptions. They're now giving the military and that is not okay. So I beg you please give at least these people the same rights of the military has because the military are seen as property they sign their rights away. These people are not property these are citizens with every constitutional right given to them by the creator. Please give them those rights and liberties afforded to them by the constitution. And don't steal their health and their rights away from them. I do have other matters are speak on later today I will no longer take up your time there's any questions are there any questions from the committee all right senator. Just to clarify I don't think it's the legislature that's imposing this on you. With the legislatures of the private sector that's imposing this on you we're here to to see if we can provide those protections so you know you mentioned several times that please don't if imposing that were not well that's coming from the private sector and I apologize for that recording but this is the way I look at it at this point it's not per se the private sector because all of this is been back toward all of this has been coming down from the Arkansas department of health as pressure to businesses all of this is coming down from the governor as pressure to businesses all this has come from the federal government as pressure to businesses there is no longer a property respect what you're saying and agree but that's not the legislative body that you find out that your vote of four to be clear it's not the legislature is not the one imposing this on you you're you're right thank you Mr thank you and thank you for your testimony any other questions aren't seeing none thank you so very much. All right to again anything you so we have a server are you standing to come and testify. Thirty six. My. And I was number five. The okay now this This is seven thirty two. Our system. Just a minute. What what is your name. All right you're you're not signed up for this bill You don't think that you could wait for seven thirty six that you did so. Hi come just come on and if you would the very same please. And please state your name and where you're from for the record. And I'm doctor James what we spent time on skis thank you for yes I am I'm from a Prairie Grove Arkansas I have something want to hand out to committee members and it has to do with the evidence that the vaccine is actually harmful all right and I do have proof of that I'm sorry but we didn't allow someone else to sit to pass up their information sure if you want to wait until the end of the committee and see if the committee would like to the Committee members would like to accept it that would be fine yes so far I've been doing lots of research searching for clinical studies of the vaccine and what I've come across is that the best one a portion of a spike protein from the vaccine is actually highly toxic to humans specifically to the A. C. receptors in the lungs liver kidneys intestines brain so forth and so on the state in particular are referring to two was said what I don't know if you understand the structure of of the virus so I I need to make sure you understand structure the virus for so the the viral particle it has spike proteins and I am sending all of your over where the spike proteins now the spike protein has two components is an S. one component and as to components the S. one component of the spike protein is the tip of that spike protein and that is what's being manufactured by the mRNA vaccines and also by the adenovirus vaccine which is the Johnson Johnson the main portion of viruses called the viral membrane inside that is called the nucleocapsid so the nucleocapsid or the main genetic material for the virus comes from so is everyone familiar with that information because it's pertinent to the evidence I'm about to present to you. I think you should go ahead and present your information and let me ask you this before you start you said that you were in and to any of my character by the second I have to go through here so the study that was done it involved transhumanists and what these transcendent mice where they had a stir receptors inside the lung tissue human eggs to receptors because they wanted to see what was the toxic component that was causing long reactions so they expose these these mice to sailing. Through the lungs may expose them to the S. one spike protein and expose the mice to the fastback protein what's road will be S. one and S. two of the spy protein and what they found was that B. as one portion of this bad protein cause massive lung inflammation and edema and something called a cytokine storm that this kind of storm caused massive information and eventually led to read should within these mice when exposed to mice to. The team what the founders that B. S. one and S. two the first part thirteen did not cause much long information when they expose the mice to sailing there is no wrong information so the common denominator was that just the S. one portion of the spike protein who was highly toxic to humans that would may expose mice without the ace to receptor to the S. one portion of the spike protein there is no real long information so is specific for human aids to receptors and there are other studies in the document but I'm by handing out that show that the spike protein is toxic to the heart at in flames of heart tissue called the parasites and causes pericarditis. Another issue that we found was that the S. one portion of the spike protein causes something called vaccine induced diabetic from beside a Pina of vaccine induced about extra beside a Pina least amounts of blood clots throughout the body. And that that is a known issue with these vaccines and the mechanism is explained in the information that I'm I'm handing out to the Committee here there was an autopsy that was performed on a patient who died post vaccine and that patient died post back scene they look for spike protein in the body they also look for a nickel caps it be read antibody tests and these antibody test when they ran out by you to us he had antibodies to spike protein in virtually every tissue in the body now when they look for antibodies to the nucleocapsid they found none that was a direct connection between the vaccine inducing has a death and not the virus and they would put him down as a COVID death now we're not performing autopsies and there's a reason why because if we ran these two antibody tests before we ran the S. one spike protein antibody test we ran a nuclear. Capsid antibody test and we had no antibodies in these patients who passed away two nucleocapsid on only to the S. one spike protein it would be a direct connection between the vaccine and their death. In a hospital don't want to run this test they don't want to run the two antibody tests so they're only running AS one spike protein antibody tests it gives a biased conclusion stating that they they did die from the virus but when you don't win the nucleocapsid tends to look for the adviser Sarah antibody then you cannot come to the conclusion that they died from sars CoV two you have to come to the conclusion that they died from the vaccine sample that we start running these antibody test so that we can prove that either dying from the virus or that they're dying from the vaccine so why are we not running the antibody tests to to the spike protein and to the nucleocapsid it's very important that we we come to some conclusion here on if the vaccines are safe or not in order to do that we have to run these two antibody test. Thank you so much for your testimony any questions from the committee. Seeing none thank you so very much. All right Karen long. Anything you. And ladies and gentleman I just will remind you that this since the first bill. This is our first one and we have several more to go to. Centers and if you introduce yourself for the record please have a seat please my name's Karen Law. Missile can use it is yes that's fine thank you my name is Karen long. Lived in Arkansas okay do you have your Michael. Okay we'll close it anyway my name is Caroline I mean are in here in Arkansas. I'm. Stranger that does anyway my I specifically want to speak to coercion. All right. I specifically want to speak to the laws that we have on our books. I'm so nervous. but it's it's it's everything to me I'm psychiatric nurse. We have laws on our books. We have laws on the books to protect everyone in this state. Everyone in state this bill for the year in which folks covid with the appeal with mental illness. There are certain lines that we do not cross. We have laws on the books that protect us from Mottley intrusion. We have laws on the books that protect our students. From restraint procedures. We have laws on the books. That allow us to travel allows for to move from room to room. Without. Restriction. these are just our constitutional rights. It said that we had to have bills for this to protect the city but we do with the honor books now. It's my job as a nurse to treat the ill. That's what I do with the future party without your mind. There are ones that we do not cross and that's the will of the person. Because they have a will. It's their god given right it's my job to protect that I don't care what if your business I don't really care I'm the nurse I and the bottom line. There are certain things that we do not cross number one I do not I do not have the right to put a mask on somebody without their consent simple piece of cloth I don't have a right to put a restraint on somebody those are on your books right now specifically for students even specifically for our students. If the person gets willingly take it off because we could specifically talking about correction. If they're allowed to take it off it's not if the voluntary to do it it's not a restraint. If the voluntary wonder where this thing on the face it's a voluntarily want to take a shot. Okay that's you will. That is that is the baseline of what we do that's the bottom of the barrel that we can do to protect somebody. Their bodily integrity the reminder brand it's not just the physical things that we protect all right so there. So I get really upset because these and this is the baseline that protect is very base that protect. I expect that. From lawmakers expect that from a constitution because this is the very basic thing we do. I can't tell somebody I can ask somebody I can't even mandate somebody to do something okay. S. the sum is a voluntary to do it that's fine this kind of the government referred you to us. If we just you know stop the car from just to this so we don't work comply with that. It's just ratcheted up scratching up to now that they're demanding okay even to demand is not a law you you people make laws the laws on the books right now protect us from restraints protect some of the intrusion things like that. I just I can't even fathom that were in this place right now but this is where we are okay. And then we have to come to the point are they safe and effective. We don't even know if they're safe and effective. We're always behind the curve so we'll put that a mandate we have to have time to find and gather the information. Because they've already planned it all out for us you know this whole thing this whole pandemic thing or plan to make what everyone college has. It's been rehearsed. This bill hurts more on the back end of this we're trying to fight back we're twenty four by five back for something we already have. Something that's like to internet phone looks like the the flute fifty year. Is our biggest. Biggest hurdle here. You know I didn't have a choice whether I wanted to go to work in the middle of the pandemic I think it sure actually subsequent. You know I chose to work. Does bit through the middle of it. Missile I have had to get over my fear yeah can anyway I just I don't I don't agree with coercion at all I work from the totally opposite in and we have laws on the books right now. That protect patients from restaurants if my corporations treat me like I'm like I'm deal then they have. The right to protect my rights with that. I'll have to say thank you any questions from the committee all right. Yeah I'm not sure institution received an additional funding because of not having enough staff to work. I work for the state of Arkansas and Arkansas health center okay I thought you mentioned another firm so you work for the state that I did it to me yes okay all right thank you if you have any other questions from the committee all right miss on thank you so much you did fine. All right to ladies and gentleman on the committee we have only eight more to go so let's take the. I'm going to ask again this is a. A minor Mr binder it is it's new miss binder. All right please introduce yourself for the the record sure my name is Chelsea Bittner hi a pharmacy tech at mercy in Rogers OR I was a pharmacy tech at mercy in Rogers I was suspended as of four o'clock yesterday afternoon. there's been a few things that haven't talked about this morning that I would really like to hone in on our second Speaker the Attorney at six hundred thousand deaths from covid I would like to remind you that as of about six thirty this morning and there were five hundred and sixty nine thousand two hundred and ninety three adverse reactions according to figures even if all of those adverse reactions are not attributed directly to the vaccine or normal vaccine reactions only one percent of side effects are reported to bears. It's pretty telling. To me and I A. as a pharmacy technician I go on the covered unit multiple times a day my hospital is actually where I caught COVID in July with a properly fitted mask I was one of my family of seven that got sick I'm obviously I'm vaccinated when I caught COVID eye develop symptoms and I was able to quarantine myself and keep my family safe nobody in my family got sick. And. Healthcare workers and I said this Wednesday when I spoke on the steps and when I spoke on the house floor in the public welfare committee there your hospital workers. Are trying to keep their sanity we were put on pedestals eighteen months ago and hailed as heroes and big businesses now put a rope around our neck and kick those pedestals out from under us we are left swinging we are offered up as sacrificial lambs for a common good the same common good that we have served for the last eighteen months we've stared COVID in the face every day for the last eighteen months and never blinked we never shied away from it we never never fed our safety of our patients ever. We get into health care to serve we don't get into health care for the pay or the schedule couple of things if you think that your your healthcare workers are being retaliated against and humiliated unfortunately you're wrong we've been called everything from an educated to plague rats I walked out of my hospital yesterday having having given the last three and a half years of my life two of my license plate stolen in the parking lot. I made a very public Facebook posts about a month ago expressing my concern about my story sure forty one thousand times I have no doubt that my plates were stolen because of my backs nation status no doubt What happened yesterday in the Senate only only amplified that humiliation but we felt we came down here Wednesday and I say we. There's a group of us I see several friendlies in here that were here Wednesday as well we drove down I got up at three thirty this morning to be here in time. Because we have senators yesterday the claim that they weren't given enough time to get their constituents here we made arrangements to get off work and and to drive down here and be here Yesterday was a slap in the face yesterday was a a slap in the face to the work that we did on Wednesday to everything that we got accomplished on Wednesday. You might as well spend my face it. I applied for a religious exemption. August fifteenth. I was denied of less than twenty four hours later by a panel of strangers and Saint Louis. A panel of strangers who thought that they were competent enough that I was there hero. And I was a stranger to them they decided my fate and the fate of my children and my family strangers you know I I use store this as a badge of honor. It's worthless to me now. That was turned off at three thirty yesterday I couldn't access my own department. For an employee that I'm still or an employer that I'm still an employee under I I. Hi Sir I saved lives for eighteen months and they don't trust me to get in my own department. All right thank you a committee any questions for this witness. Seeing none thank you so very much we do have and I overlooked it a couple of people that would like to speak against so brainteaser and I believe Mr Hudson. If you would go to the table and please introduce yourself for the record. Morning Amarante is up with the Arkansas state chamber of commerce. Jim that's in Arkansas Department commerce. Up in the interest of time and respect for the committee members first of all thank you for giving us an opportunity to speak about this giving me an opportunity to speak about it. I want to make a a record just as we want to record in the House Committee. Generally opposed to anything that constrains businesses rights to. manage and control their employee relationship anything that interferes with that Arkansas has a long history of being an employee that would employment at will state as well as a right to work state and we think we jeopardize that with these proposals to prohibit companies from requiring vaccines by their employees. Their motivation is very straight forward those who have done and and those who are considering doing their motivation is very straightforward they're doing it to protect their other employees and their customers in many cases but primarily other customers. Many of the settings and a lot of our major businesses across the state the physical settings are are close close at hand they have spent tens of millions of dollars if not hundreds. Doing everything possible to limit any exposure and contact and and sharing of of space. Plastic barriers capes masks. Added ventilation added HVAC equipment a special dole orders prohibiting customers and and visitors on plant floors all of those things have been done and despite their best efforts far too many people because they are not vaccinated end up in the hospital and in worst cases that. We respectfully and I look to to confirm our position on this we polled our executive committee about this issue just yesterday asked a straightforward question do you believe the state of Arkansas should prohibit employers from requiring. Reasonable medically endorsed steps such as a vaccine. Of their employees and to a person these are fifteen senior executives of major corporations across the state the names of which you would readily recognized there in your district or your primary employers they're the primary drivers of your economy of this economy. To a person they said no we do not want that interference many of them will never required vaccines of their employees but some will our point is it is up to and should remain the the employer's prerogative to make that set that expectation. Second question man and just just for some information that sort of confirms the view on this. United Airlines is on the one of the earliest companies to adopt them a requirement of their all their employees they have sixty seven thousand employees across the U. S. they notify their employees in August that they would be required by the September thirtieth two have gotten vaccinated ninety six percent complied right off the bat two thousand of them sought exemptions most of them receive exemptions either religious or that pre existing medical conditions. The number to be terminated as of about a week ago as a result of refusal to get a vaccination or applying for and getting an exemption the number had dropped to five hundred and ninety three employees at a sixty seven thousand who had not been vaccinated it dropped to three hundred and twenty the day after the deadline which was one day before yesterday. And many of those are getting vaccinated power by hour day by day so that small fraction is continuing to decline. If you apply that same number to Arkansas those same sets of numbers should be talking about roughly six thousand people who are still refusing and have chosen not to get vaccinated out of the working population in the state not the total population now the other issue is unemployment insurance. Unemployment insurance is paid for one hundred percent to the dollar to the penny by these lawyers and and the economy is not shared by employees employees make no contribution to the cost of unemployment insurance it's a tax by any other name is called an insurance premium is called a fund contribution and as a result we have a very healthy now despite the pandemic we have a very healthy VOL. The bill I am speaking to the Senate bills. I was hoping to save some time but not in the compact breach but he's speaking on several bills but they all are related. Go ahead Senator poem insurance trust fund is in good shape we don't wanna see that undermine or eroded and with that I'll I'm happy to conclude my remarks I don't want to worry about a one senator asking to keep it under thirty minutes and I promise to keep it under ten. So we're opposed to all of the bills that limit employees rights employers rights. That employs a limit or constrain the employer's rights to set the terms of employment and. That's basically our case all right thank you Mr Hudson. Thank you to do she said yes jim Hudson Arkansas Department commerce and I won't cover again the ground that to Mr is a covered it just a couple things point out very quickly first of all you you're very well aware it's we say reported it's been discussed here that we do have this federal series of mandates and as I shared in the House Public Health the committee meeting couple days ago we will go on record saying that we don't support that it is an utterly terrible idea. And so we are opposed to government mandates of of all variety. And the concern that we have is that you know the employees of Arkansas who been through so much in the past eighteen months trying to keep the business is going to try to get employees back to the workplace in the safest possible manner that this is just a measure of these measures that we're discussing today created a series of headwinds again some be able do that number particularly you're putting between a rock and a hard place you're tasking them or telling them they've got to make a choice between following state law or following federal law. And the the truth the matter is the from a federal perspective that the OSHA standard that will be promulgated in a matter of days is a incredibly heavy Hammer. Several thousand fourteen thousand dollars and then you know find per employee per day of non compliance. And so for change it to the simpler is in the State is you've got to make that choice will it's you they can't make that choice there don't have to follow the federal standard and we know that constitutionally in the spring two calls that that federal standards don't preempt any state action and we can disagree with that that federal action all day long I will join you in that disagreement with that but that is the legal reality on the ground and we are going to be creating a problem for employers in that regard and they just real quickly to add in terms of any of the the message that I think is getting sent you know to employers around the country it is our job at the department of commerce that you have given us to go out and market the state of Arkansas. To the nation to the world. And to say come here we are open for business and we are friendly for business or rated want high states in terms of our friendliness toward the business environment and one of those reasons is because we don't seek to put government mandates to address every single situation that we may have a personal disagreement with how strongly that may be. And so the the the thing that concerns me is that it does create a little bit of an obstacle for us to do that as we put these measures out there because as much as upset you know these are measures employers are taking in order to keep their business is safe and keep their employees safe and if those businesses are open employees are working earning wages take care of their families. I'm sorry go ahead please and and and and really just bring my remarks to a conclusion with that I would say we would ask you to please reconsider these measures and the let's make sure we keep Arkansas opened for business thank you parks will you answer some questions or the Committee all right senator Hammer you're recognized the committee chair so have you seen the rules that been passed down from the feds as far as how it applies to this you spoke as though you had seen them have you seen and I've seen the executive order on the subcontractor provision the contract revision OSHA he is not promulgated its rule yet it's scheduled to promulgate rules sometime the next scene of several days it's it's pending okay. So where do you see those rules are they upon their federal website or where where the accessible you referring to that the remark about contractor rules yes this is the presence executive orders available on from the registrant's also available think of the White House website as far as the detailed rules that are coming down the state you're going to have to comply with that are going to be imposed upon businesses those have been released that what you're referring to yesterday the the general services administration I believe was the releasing agency they release fairly. Not that not detailed enough guidelines nothing as far as are going to go last Friday. Okay and Mister is a. I just need no and I'm on issue question which businesses do you risk represent as the state chamber because one Senator Clark had about a seven hour Judiciary meeting some of us legislators or get blown up by business some of which are if I call their names you would recommend you would recognize those to saying don't force any mask mandates on us I need to know which part of the business secretary of state Arkansas you represent because we're getting conflicting messages from employers DO IT and summer saying don't which one do you represent them about twelve hundred companies across the state I don't we don't pretend to represent every business interest in the state we represent our members interests did you survey your do you have a survey all twelve hundred to be able to show us what the survey results will not serve jail twelve hundred we surveyed our executive committee who basically has the the governing body of the organization thank you. All right. Any other questions from the committee senator Sullivan Mr took you mentioned that there were some committee businesses that would not require backs mandate can you tell to those are I can't identify individually but I can say that generally speaking smaller businesses probably will not most of them will not some of them will I thought you referenced that comment when you talked about your executive board and right after talking about your executive board you stated that there were some of those some businesses wouldn't cover that are not in the exact I'm not working I'm not talking about some of the executive committee involvement in some businesses in general typically smaller but some of the restaurants for Martin are going to do this data disappointed all data on that system statement you're making without data into a single fact okay you stating that the fact I'm stating yeah I would be comfortable saying that something for you you have some business units or information that would indicate that. I can get national information that's not if that would be helpful okay thank you thank you manager all right to. Remember how we are to act within the committee please. All right Senator Hammer you're recognized that committee chair I've written questions out I don't know if Mr I think it's Silverstein Silverstein still in the room that he might come back and answered as an attorney but here's here's what I've got in the absence of liability being assigned to either the requirement or mandate of the employer on the employee or mandate of the government when do the employee stock being humans which should have legal recourse for property which does not have legal recourse because if we are not providing them legal recourse in order to be able to seek restitution for damages or are done or denied unemployment at that point I'm having a hard time distinguishing one is a person an employee or when is a person a property and you're shaking your head Bob like. But I. I'd like to I'd like to know where the defining point is given the fact that they have had been they've been provided no legal recourse in the event they have an adverse effect of something that was imposed upon them that sounds like to me more like treating them as property than treating them as humans I need an understanding from the business sector please. A hero of I would have to get some legal help on that I know that there is a possibility that employees would have if if someone believes they've contracted COVID on on the job. The employees would have there's some opportunity for a workers comp claim I'm not exactly sure how it would be resolved but I know you all did that in the last in the regular session so that's an opportunity plus an employee with a company health insurances any health insurance costs will be covered referred from other health insurance plans so those those remedies and help for her available through the employment of but I just I'm sorry Senator I just can't answer the question about. As you phrased it. Any any other questions from the committee all right Sir thank you very much. All right we have Jackson modes. Member ladies and gentleman we have. A few more left and we're still on the first the first bill and we cannot meet when the chamber goes into session which is at eleven o'clock. You're recognized please take a identify yourself for the record. Is it on is your. Okay hi my name is Jackson mobs I work for the largest wireless companies in the United States. And they are getting ready to slowly roll this out and I they're very reluctant to but I think they're being coerced into space again a transition to corrosion to us and the last time I read online about these Your first when you get informed consent should be coerced and I think a person who has ninety a person who is being asked to take this or lose your job sounds like that's portion that's not informed consent. And I'm a numbers guy I'm an engineer and I like that went to look at some of these bears numbers and you think this is a safe vaccine I looked at every year that since there's been an inception and the average tests on vaccines all taxes hundred fifty deaths per year that's an average in the total number up to twenty twenty one was forty eight ninety eight I look today or it last night it's fifteen thousand three hundred eighty six that's. That's their number not my number. You tell me you think you think the people initial want to take their chances of acting like that I don't think so. but they're pitted up against a wall of single I'm as so um. person who earns income in my family and if I lose my job you know my wife got cancer I can the college and just like everybody else we got to provide for families so this put put this in a bad situation. So and there's been a lot of people around the from the around the world have been signing on to it saying that we we got to stop this forty two hundred doctors have signed of this call the physician's declaration stating that we have to stop all this we got to stop these vaccines and we can't be using them they're not they're not safe I mean hundred fifty eight as a year on average the second highest here was in nineteen ninety four and it was two hundred twenty three thousand highs here of all the years I've looked at so all I'm saying is if if I was given the choice I would not take this and I would like to have a religious exemption I'm a Christian but it's not uniform this person gets one this person doesn't this company does this company doesn't mean that's the problem it's not a uniform thing in my H. Q. was in New Jersey so I don't feel give anybody any exemptions so because every time they do they probably have to pay that whatever that fine is paid so that's just the main thing I want to talk about with you today. We should to testimony and appreciate the help concise you were of members do you have any questions. Seeing none thank you so very much thank you ma'am ladies and gentleman I am. Yes Sir. I'm under this. I thank you opportunity. After. Okay we'll imported your name Sir. Of one of the ones I have I have. I don't seem to. I did I did I see your name now all right now we have an issue here ladies and gentleman I know you're gonna be disappointed if we cannot vote on this bill after we've had so much testimony but we are running out of time and if it what I'd like to do and maybe it will help I don't know but I'd like to call of this man up and I'd like to call to others up at the same time and if you would be saying there there's only one more left that I will not call up because threes can I think you have three chairs that are available right there but you need to remember the more you talk of the quicker the we will run at a time so please all right of a cake please come to the table and I'm going to ask. Wait just a minute Christina Reeves okay and your husband is or are David Rees could please come to the table and the three if you have some time as okay. All right what is your name. Well I'm I'm not saying that you have to do it now but we won't I'll bring you up the next time and right after them okay all right and don't let me forget because I don't see your name but anyway all right tell us who you are and where you're from and if you will go first please my name is to go. My name is Michael Mazzaro and I'm here is a citizen of the state of Arkansas one that wants to protect protect is individual liberties and freedom. Milton Friedman once that the selfish interest of people in government leads them to behave in a way that is against the self interest of the rest of us and quote. What I just saw corporate donors healthcare food processing grocery big box they're all here today working the crowd because they're under pressure of the federal and social sources to mandate backs nations upon their employees do you think they really care about you if you guys are god either by terminated on your roller you walk away from that company they're not gonna remember you in thirty minutes or thirty days that you would even work there. This is what makes me mad he's had a slip of the tongue they came here because they want you to agree they want the state of Arkansas to agree with their mandates which limits our individual freedoms and healthcare choices basically note to big business if you're still in here your social responsibility is to increase your profits and continue to pay me stock dividends soliciting the government to mandate that your employees per prevents you from accomplishing that task I'm sorry that that's happened to you maybe they ought to be doing tort reform that people if they get sick they can't come back and sue you because I think that's what it's all about. All right thank you well I got one other thing okay. We the people including yourself having to have sacrificed greatly during this event and as of this moment we still are at liberty to pursue our own self interest and I fully expect you without hesitation to uphold and protect our freedoms and shun the temptation to mandate to corporate tyranny upon us thank you all for your time please do the right thing all right identify yourself for the record where you're from my name is Christy Reeves and I am from Mountain View Arkansas at my husband I actually just moved there about four and a half months ago we could chosen anywhere in the United States to move we chose Arkansas one because its natural beauty and two because of the freedoms that are offered at citizens not only did we re locate here we relocated our children our grandchildren and our business. In nineteen eighty six and senator Hammer this kind of goes along with the questions that you ask you asked the people who passed away are they able to get restitution from anyone for that in nineteen eighty six president Ronald Reagan signed HR five four four six bill into effect which is also known as the national childhood vaccine injury act that ensures no vaccine manufacturer shall be liable in a civil action for damages arising from a vaccine related injury or death means that they're not responsible so I ask you this if there mandating these employers to vaccinate their employees who is responsible for the damages that the employees have who is responsible for the side effects not the vaccine manufacturers the state going to be responsible for that is that going to fall on the employers in my as a business owner going to need to pay for the medical expenses my employees have because they've suffered adverse reaction to this vaccine. You say I've heard some of you say you can't tell private businesses what to do but you're doing just that when you're enforcing these mandates you're not giving them the choice you're not giving the citizens the choice to make on their own if they weren't being forced to comply with these mandates they wouldn't be forcing their employees to get a vaccine I also heard representative Ferguson asked one of the healthcare workers yesterday why don't you want to take the shot you've taken others why not this one quite honestly it was none of her business why that woman wants to refuse a medical procedure that is something that should be between a patient and their medical practitioner not a. Government elected official in Arkansas constituent just isn't not employers place to force a vaccine on its employees. Y'all don't have to worry about your jobs we are exempt. My husband loses his job our family of seven leases are health insurance we lease our pension he loses his retirement insurance and at our age it's not somebody's yesterday one of I don't know who it was said just go find a job or do they don't require vaccines it's not that easy to just pick up and go find another job. I've had at first reactions to seven different vaccines including both policies Bills polity and one of the worst case of months my doctors have ever seen this is watch so it is so important side effects from vaccines are not as rare as the manufacturer's lead you to believe. We are here for our individual liberties period not further business is not for corporations for our individual liberties and I'm asking you to do whatever it takes to protect the citizens of Arkansas not the corporations don't make us regret our decision for meeting here as if need be we will lead thank you does your husband would he like to say something all right. In a country's please Senate and then if I use it for the record yes ma'am I'm David Reeves also from Mountain View Arkansas of course I'm going to be real brief we are. Definitely against these mandates and we stand strong for a. Personal immunities and I'm sorry I'm on our state I like speaking from a bunch of people but about seven years ago my wife had a back surgery and that resulted in. Her taking a four quinolone for an infection that she got after that back surgery. That antibiotic almost killed this one right here she was in a wheelchair so. She was in a wheelchair I had to have her dad comes that were her well I went to work. We stopped we walked away from the medical system that they want to take her thyroid out they wanted a radiator viroid they don't have any answers Right away from doctors we went hold cruise I'm not gonna get into the details but you see our state right here I have. I've had covid. She's had co written my kids have had covid thank god we follow the natural path before we got it because I ran favor for a day now part two. You take care of the terrain your new system takes care of you. Yeah. Hardenne elderly people have had coverage they take care of themselves. Her dad just got blood test last week eleven months later he still has antibodies. Natural and natural antibodies so. Where is the where is that included in these mandates why can't that be part of if these businesses are one protect themselves why don't they offer people with With natural immunities antibodies wine that in there so I'm sorry I'm done thank you thank you so much for your testimony questions from the committee. Seeing none thank you so very much all right to Perry manis and Gen this gentleman over here you said you've been waiting a long time. You have a parent man is he coming Perry manis. Okay. And have I left out anyone else. The Senate. You were number four on the list. What is your name Sir Chad Turner. Well it doesn't you didn't put down this particular bill. This is. Talk about. Well I think you need to wait Sir. I think you need to wait because all of these people here are not going to get to the we're not we'll get to vote on the bill if we continue to. Back after what it. Well we have to go into session at eleven I'm hoping this afternoon I'm hoping in fact I've just of Senate ticks to this to the president pro tem of the Senate saying that I would like to come back after session. In that respect what I want to come back after. All right. Any other people okay. What this lady right here. Actually. All the bills. of all meetings for a. All right I didn't see that I'm sorry if you could I just. So and there's another another sheet as well but all right after these people I would like to speak against anyone else you want to speak for or against for. Bills later. So you want to speak on the other bills later. All right. All right come to the table I'm going to put three at the table. All right of with their third one. About. What did. What. What did you put down on this particular bill okay then. That police and I'm I don't want to say I'm positive that we will be back but I do hope so and we're wasting time yes. Well. Well if you're not on this bill you are. All right we'll go to the table but this is it. All right. You have a motion. What. Fite. I just wanna say I think that the chair's been been very clearly she's super sweet person may be is not as clear to. I think ninety nine percent of those people is room about to get what you want if you let us vote or we can hear testimony it's super important clearly how passionate everyone is they want to be heard in you need to be heard we want you to be heard. But that's about all you're gonna get it is to be heard and not what you want what you came here for so we we will sit here I will sit here till ten o'clock tonight here everyone that we don't vote to give you what you want. I understand like I think we just the chairman very nice and told you that I think you better get everything you want so please continue we will hear you as long as you want to be heard. And then you get which one or we. We already voter this bill out once so it's already been voted out of committee and go on to the floor so it's fairly clear that you're not talking to your opponents you're talking to people that have supported what you want kind of already passed this bill out of committee so we do need to get to the floor so that we can address these things on the floor thank you for the next one because that one. All right and may I say this we have a process here and that's why I gave instructions. Three times we want to we want to hear everything you want to say but we're running out of time and I think Senator Hester and Senator Solomon made made a good point will stay will have to go to session been will come back and you but will stay all afternoon to hear what you want to see what you want to say it but we will not be able to vote if we run at a time. So all right if you would be there is you've waited a long time server and if you would be very cynic yes we want to hear everything that you want to say the church's pieces and you as well and introduce yourself for the record please my name is Dustin cuter I've been a nurse in Arkansas for almost twenty years I left my job at mercy probably six eight weeks ago because of the vaccine mandate that was their only leverage that they had over me that was my job and that was my only leverage point so I left and I give them the opportunity to replace me Whenever you go into the medical field the very basis and we've had on this before of of medical care is informed consent. That is the very basis in its informed if the patient has to talk to the physician before any procedures done I we go pick up a prescription the pharmacist explains to you what the medication is for what it might interact with Whenever I decide to not take this vaccine I went through and I looked at all the available information. My potential to be critically ill from an my potential have side effects from the vaccine and just to make it short all of the above was very unclear the very system is unreliable during the hundred six Congress they actually met on the committee and discussed the nature of the fair system and how unreliable it was in the adversarial nature that the that the government had had formed against people that were seeking reimbursement for vaccine injury that was in two thousand six in two thousand seven the as a reaction to that I believe to that. Meeting. They actually of funded a study for Ross bears S. U. B. Ross Lazarus to look into the amount of people that actually report vaccine injury which we are talked about that less than one percent they try to provide the information to the CDC and it was ignored they when you return the phone calls so our government knows that I'm I'm pro vaccine to prevent C. but it needs to be studied they keep rationalizing this vaccine requirements through such things like a small pox and all this other nonsense which have infinitely higher death rates and what this fact this virus that is. They cannot tell me that I can give informed consent for this vaccine. None of them can and they will require you to sign a consent that said you understand that you also have to sign a piece of paper that says that they will not be held liable for your act for the reactions one at all period. In any reactions that you might have they actually were give you a piece of paper to state you need to report your The area they don't they don't communicate to ensure their seats I cannot give informed consent for this at all. Okay all right thank you any questions for this witness all right ma'am you're ready and introduce yourself for the record my name is Jacqueline during I'm from peerage Arkansas I'm a single mom of three children one of the individuals I'm speaking about today is my son. I was here on Wednesday it is an honor and a disappointment to be back here today after all of the work we did on Wednesday for what the Senate did yesterday. Missy Irvin is wrong the public knew there were five hundred of us on these capitol steps to support these bills we showed up in the committee meeting afterwards and Chelsea specifically testified there's well. Senate Deborah Ferguson. Asked. Telsey. Who had told her the code acting was bad who convinced her not to get the covered vaccine I have a list here for me personally. since two thousand fifteen has worked on convincing me not to get this COVID vaccine. They are hobby pediatrics of Bentonville pediatric doctor pop Pollard. Northwest Medical of spring down the. DHS in CPS of Arkansas. Sanofi the maker of ranitidine which is a zantac medication that my son was given at six weeks old they are also the largest company in the world devoted entirely now to vaccines because reading has been recalled. And there's a class action lawsuit against it six years ago my son was given this medication at four weeks old for acid reflux I trusted my doctor I trusted the pediatrician over my son at six weeks old he turned blue he had a seizure we were admitted to the hospital and one of the side effects known for remitted dean is trying false positive drug screens for methamphetamines. The E. R. doctor filed a case against us with DHS even though his second drug screen taken immediately after came back negative his blood work came back negative his father and I came back negative his babysitter who he was with this was my first day back to work. Negative. No one wanted to stand up and take my son's case and hold people accountable that made him sick not the doctors not the hospital's not DHS not CPS no one now it's been recalled because it's unsafe. My second story is about my mother. Would you please make it I will be a a Fayetteville Arkansas UAMS mercy VA police department Senator Bledsoe and the AG my mother was sexually assaulted by a doctor at the VA hospital who was on a medical internship from UAMS and mercy. We reached out Bob Ballinger love you thank you for fighting for us we sent you information we sent you information we heard from neither of you we sent information to the White House we were heard by the agency the doctor admitted to what he did and said that was part of the gynecology karadjic procedure because he couldn't get the speculum into her ****. Not only has the medical system failed my family we reached out to you individuals for help as well and you failed us and now the eye and you take a different direction this time do not let these employers to this to these employees I'm safe my employer is not doing this to me but my friends are not and my children are going to grow up in a world that is not. I need you all to vote to protect the citizens of Arkansas today thank you so much question. You've reference that we fail to yesterday and that this was heard was it was what is what you're referring to did it get hurt in this room in front of this committee or were you on the house side giving testimony in the House Public Health we were in the House side Sir there's a big difference and that's why it was sent back yesterday was so that you all could have the opportunity to come into this room I want to make this important distinction because we're getting blasted both on Facebook and now in this room that you had an opportunity yes you did but the way the system works down here you get the opportunity to speak and how in the House Public Health you didn't have that opportunity and that's why we wanted this referred back into this room so you all could be here today to express the opinions that the chairs giving you great latitude to do a which I agree and as was reference well go when you walk out of here as far as this bill I think you will be happy had that not happened yesterday this would not have occurred and all the debate would have been on the Senate floor and you would been denied that privilege and that's why we wanted to make sure got put back in here that I want to hear I want you to hear that because we wanted to hear what you have to say today And barn what we did yesterday you would not I don't care what anybody put out on their Facebook I don't care who's running for office put anything out on Facebook that's the reality of the matter and that's the truth and you've been provided that platform today they call was appreciate you being here today thank you manager thank you all right ladies and gentlemen are there any other questions for the witness all right thank you so much alright ladies and gentleman you've heard the testimony you have heard. Okay all right I'm sorry one that is against yes please. Please state your name for the record and after this we are going to take a vote. Of. My name is Veronica maclean I'm a parent here in Arkansas and also social worker. And I'm here today not to necessarily speak against anybody in this room because these individual stories are heartbreaking and for every story here today there's an opposite story of suffering and economic loss due to cope it. Because of the death and Monaco the disability continue to occur so I also hear the suffering that's in this room and people who feel like their rights are being taken away. My concern is not. Necessarily who's right or wrong right here. I'll be listening to the professionals. Listening to the constitutional attorneys that are talking about whether or not these laws are constitutional. Listening to the doctors that are studying these vaccines the doctors that are treating these kind of the patients. Listening to the people that have been harmed by code as well. As someone who was recently seen in the state of Arkansas. And this body. Because of an unconstitutional law that you passed out to one zero zero two. I'm sure I'm gonna get some fun comments after this and but I didn't do that too and to force masks on anybody. I did that because that law was unconstitutional and it took away local control. As a conservative state. As a Republican led. Legislation I was raised by conservatives who told me that local control and less government is better. I'm not seeing that any more we seem to be pandering to This weird politicization of a pandemic. Employers in this state have been employees somewhere and at will state have been. it took away the right from employers to unionize during the session teachers can no longer do that they can't be recognized so you know I. I hear what people are saying. It talking out of both sides of your mouth with these bills that you're presenting and so what I would ask that you stop wasting taxpayer money. Pause take a breath and please consider is this going to go to court. Is this going to cost us more money. That's what we really need to be thinking about all these people have very valid arguments and they matter absolutely matter but that is not your job to make laws based on how one individual feels your job is to protect the public health and to defend the constitution of this state and of the United States you all took an oath so I would just ask you to please consider that. But I also really really appreciate the fact that you allowed all of these people to come in and share their stories because they do deserve to be heard and that is your job to listen to them this is it's your job to listen to me we don't always have to agree but we do have a constitution and we have rules in place for a reason thank you for your time all right just a minute just a minute by minute are there any questions from the committee seeing none thank you so much all right to Senator would you like to close for your bill. Yes. Now remember what we talked about if you like what's going to happen here to save all of that into your outside of the moment please and we will come back. had talked to the Senate president pro tem and we will come back shortly so of. With that please senator Johnson close for your bill thank you members of the we did adopt that I can remember my amendments degree degree. Yeah. Okay all right the. There is no more as the last Speaker. There is no more local local control than an individual basis. This bill protects all individuals. In the state of Arkansas. With those exemptions. And That. With what she sued about. Alternate local control as to the individual basis. The I appreciate everyone coming and everyone's testimony. And I tried to walk the line. As defined in person. That person is a corporations in the state of Arkansas and individual people in the state of Arkansas is recognized by our laws. And that corporation should be granted the same protections as individuals. Because they are when it's broken down individuals and citizens also. And This bill. Protects those individual freedoms. And liberties. And the people of Arkansas. It also. Tries to. To not. Our right to work state it and it does not damage that. The the push for the federal government. Is a possibility. And the probability. But it's not right now right now this is a matter of choice. And how those. Private companies are handling the citizens. I would appreciate a good vote and thank you guys for allowing me to close to that today. All right ladies and gentleman you've heard testimony you've had. All right if the yesterday there were some questions about whether state agencies were here to speak against the bill or for the bill I just want to on the record that there are no state agencies here to speak opposed to this bill is that correct L. is for senate thank you if they are here I would is that the a greaser handed will let him speak we did hear from I guess this prior to the update so just to consolidating regarded close testimony to late for them to speak at this like to acknowledge acknowledge that on the record that no one showed up from any state agency well we did have we did have testimony one okay. Others okay Sir mcommerce I thank you all right alright ladies and gentleman you've heard testimony you've heard you've heard the bill explained and you've heard testimony what is the will of the committee all right do pass as amended is amended that's right all right the question of the floor is at the table is a motion do pass as amended what is the will of the committee all those. Okay we have that second from. Hester Senator Hester all right what is the will of the committee. A. All those all those. In favor and remember in the committee room what I've said please all those in favor say aye. All those opposed congratulations you have passed your bill. This. And we hang around you can go have lunch or whatever but we will be back as soon as we can in this committee room for the rest of the bills. Yeah.