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members if you could go ahead and take your seats you work Members if you could go ahead and take your seats we'll get this started. seconds and'm hitting the
there's a freedom isn't there all right members we're going to call this meeting of
Arkansas legislative council to order Good morning Welcome to Arkansas Legislative Council at this time I'd like to recognize the senator Petty for the prayer to get us started. right let's pray
Senator Jim Petty
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heavenly father we just we humbly bow before you in this busy time and as we come up on the season of thanksgiving first of all we thank you for your son who died for us and we pray heavenly fatherther as we conduct the business today that it would do we would do so without selfish ambition and that everything that we do we do for serving the people and the citizens of Arkansas and we just ask that you would allow us to do so and to do so with
calmness and and wisdom that comes from heaven. We ask all of this in
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your son's name amen. I remembers that this
time I'd like to see if we can get a motion to adopt the meetings from the October 17 meeting. with a motion second all those in favor signify by saying aye opposed it has passed and at this time we're gonna recognize senator hammer for a point of personal privilege
Senator Kim Hammer
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go ahead thank you. I'm not sure Senator clark's in the room but if he is he'd come
forward members thank you for allowing this point of personal privilege for Senator Clark myself and also for our Senate pro tem and we would like to present the senate citation let me just read it in its entirety it will help you understand better it whereas John Manuel Phelps commissioner of the Arkansas Postrison Transfer Board has
demonstrated the highest standards of professionalism excellence, integrity and dependable leadership throughout his career and has served under four governors both Democrat and Republican upon his retirement in January of 2026 Mr Phelps will be the longest serving parole commissioner in Arkansas history and one of the longest serving paro le commissioners nationwide and whereas John has created and shaped successful state parole
policies and procedures public safety measures and rein reintegration programs he was the vice chair chairman of the southern regiongional of association of parole Authorities International that are known as AAI and worked on key collaboration with criminal justice and correction leaders across the nation he received the 2025 Benbaar award from APAI in recognition for his local state and national impact in the
field of parole and whereas the members of the Arkansas Senate wish to join Senator Allan clark and Senator Kimhammer especially appreciation to Johnmanuel Phelps for his more than34 years of exemplary commitment in his role he has held in the service of the state of Arkansas and wishing him well in the years ahead this is pursuant to the motion of Senator Allan Clark, Senator Kim Hammer also signed by Senator Bart Hesterer protem of the senate and just on a personal note I'm knownjo for
many years and we have a good friendship but the fact that he has served the length of time that he has and is retiring after distinguished career we be felt that this was good to bring a
senate citation to recognize his years of service to the state upon his retirement and if you would would you please join me in acknowledging his years of service
Mr Chairman if John would like to say something
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with the chairyle I'll take a seat while do Good morning I'm just I can't think of a better word than flabbergasted. by this and it's been a pleasure over the 28 years being on the Arkansas postrison transfersfer Board to be
associated with many of you and your predecessors and knowing that we have the best state in the United States bar none and our leadership our governors can certainly testify to that effect I think that we've all had great leadership and so I want to say thank you very much senator thank you very much also for this certificate and I
would just say God speed to you thank you very much Senator Hammer thank you for
that. members at that takes us to itemd. this will be the presentation of theoctober revenue report with Doctor Carlosilva. Good morning Doctorsilva Good
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morning thank you Mr Chairman Carlossilva Burereauight city Research and I'm here to present October 2025 monthly general revenue report there's the first month for our second quarter of
the fiscal year we gross revenue collections year to date it's at $2.65 billion have an increase of 14.1.1 million dollars or half a% increase there on our gross collections as we look down we have a $2.63 billion collector last last fiscal year date and that comparison as we look into net general revenue available for distribution for this month we have $2.27 billion that's an increase of41.4 million dollars compared
to last fiscal year today those first four months and there's a 1.9% increase compared to theoctober 2024 as we look into page number one we we saw that the difference that we still expect with individual and corporate income tax refunds would have the decline there and as we move to page number 2 what we have a cumulative deviation from theF andAnet revenue available for distribution forecast we saw again an increase of $16.6 million for this month which is
$90.5 million above the forecast for the agent's form may this year as we move into page number3 and page number4 and the top of page number5 we have our general revenue collections in detail there for the month of October and the cumulative and for the the other pages we have the special revenue collections as we look into what the changes for this month we start to receive again data from the the the federal
government we have some updates have first update for jobs report yesterday better than expected which which is always great consumer confidence has been going down this month once again but as we look into the state of Arkansas initial unemployment claims and continued claims still steady with that I will take any further questions thank you doctor Silver members any questions seeing no questions senator love you're recognized
Senator Fredrick J. Love
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Thank you Mr Chair. I'm not going to ever skip asking questions so here's here's the question I have Do Silva. So you said the jobs report was better than expected. I I didn't get a chance to review the jobs report so can you give us a a rundown
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of the jobs reportsptember jobs report so we had the delay in in in some of the reports we have 119,000 jobs national level that's what we have here that was better than expected when we
had to look at AdP the looking into the private data sets in the last few months
because we we didn't have the the government jobs were lower was were a lot lower so for the month of September those numbers were were better than expected as we're looking through previous months as we're looking through august we have some adjustment there which which brought the jobs declined there for the month of August but for the month of September we have the number that were better than improve as we look into October
and November still unsure what we what or not we're gonna have a report for October but we're gonna be looking into November to see how that is going to continue and whether we're going to see some increase in in in jobs in the national level here all right and then
Senator Fredrick J. Love
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you say consumer confidence is down how how do you predict that's gonna impact our state budget so that's a national level so
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what are we talking about here is how how people are doing generally so it gives an understanding off to the members on how things are moving but
if you want I can dig deeper a little bit into how the the our overall Kansas feeling but here what we're looking at is see how the nation's feeling because also it has an impact in the state of Arkansas OK I appreciate that thank you thank you Mr chairir. thank you senator
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members any other questions all right seeing none thank you
doctorctor Silva for the presentation and that takes
us to item E and recognize my co-chair senator Ben Gilmore you're recognized thank you Mr Chair the executive subcommittee met yesterday and
Senator Ben Gilmore
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and reviewed and approved emergency rule for DhS related to thesnap program subbcommittee also approved revisions to the macx security policy to account for the state police assuming control over the security of the mac building copy the revised security policy is attached to subcommittee report. I move adoption of this report Mr. chairir. thank you senator Members any questions on this item? all
right we have a motion to adopt. you have a second thank you. Second, any
discussion seeing none all those in favor signify by saying hi opposed youy have it that takes us to item
F and I'm gonna recognizepresentative Langie thank
Representative Lane Jean
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you Mr Chairman. the subcommittee of ruleles Administration met yesterday November 20th the subcommittee filed two quarterly reports the subcommittee received agency updates on outstanding rulemaking from the 23 and25 regular session and the subcommittee also accept
a recommend recommendation ofro h three agencies concerning extension of rules from the 2017 and2021 session. all rules were reviewed and approved of as noted in the report. I move adoption of this report. all right thank you Representative
members any questions on this item? aren't seeing none do we have a motion we have a
2nd 2nd, any discussion seeing none all those in favor signify by saying aye oppose the ayes have it that
takes us to item F4presentative Dwight Tos you're recognized thank
Representative Dwight Tosh
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you thank you Mrir. The the game and fish and the
state police subcommittee we met on Monday the subcommittee heard discussion regarding rules and regulations for the upcoming duck season from the game and fish commission the subcommittee also heard discussion regarding concealed and open handgun carry laws in state parks from the attorney general's office and the department of Parks and
Heritage and tourism I move for adoption of this report members you've heard the
report we have a motion the second ended discussion. members any
questions on that item before we go further all right seeing none we have a motion in a second. any discussion? seeing none all those in favor signify by saying aye opposed the odds
have itport is reviewed and it takes us down to item number7, hospital
Medicaid and developmental disabilities and we're gonna recognize senator Jane English. thank you. The
Senator Jane English
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hospital Medicaid andvelopmental disabilityudittee met on Monday at the Department of Human Services in LittleRock the subcommittee heard testimony on the following items overview of daily operations and update on reimbursement rates under the livingvinghos Assisted Living waiver by DHS. the subcommittee met again on Thursday at the Arkansas workf f or ce Center in LittleRock to hear testimony regarding the daily operations and processing procedures. I
moved adoption of this report thank you senator members any questions
seeing none we have a motion and a second. Any discussion seeing none all those in favor of see to public
saying aye oppose the item will be reviewed that takes us down to item number
Senator Jonathan Dismang
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11 ier I recognize senator Dismay. Thank you Mr Chairman. The peer subcommittee met on Tuesday, November 18th the subcommittee received reports reviewed requests
and approved the following various temporary appropriation American rescue Plan Act appropriation infrastructure investment and jobs actct appropriation and a restricted reserve fund transfer
two items in the report were held for counsel a one and appropriation requests for the Arkansas School for mathematics Sciences in the artts for operations and G16 in a preparation request for the department of agriculture to make a grant for the lake Monmel watershed since the meeting questions have been answered regarding the a one and then as far as G16 the department of agriculture is pulling that down for from consideration today. I moved to adopt item A1 and adopt the rest of the report.
Our members you've heard the report are there any questions? seeing no questions we have a motion and we have a second we have a second any discussion seeing none all those in favor signify by saying
aye opposed? you guys have it takes us down to item 12 review Senator Blake John
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vi e w subcommittee met on Tuesday and reviewed methods of finance discretionary grants one alternative delivery construction procurement one
agency ratification one RfQ request and services contracts re contracts were held pending further information from the agencies and members have released their holes under construction contracts it was contract0 University of Arkansas A SMsA and and agriculture plus was held until full legislative meeting the under out of state contracts contract number one for public service commission
with Damark uhnergy advisors and and also contract 2 Department ofcomerce AEDC with Boston Consulting Group were both held until full legislative council. The subcommittee approved a member disclosure for Jim Petty Senator Jim Petty from the Arkansas Development Finance Authority and Black River Technical College request to lease two motor vehicles after the subcommittee meeting staff from the department of healthalth requested
a correction on the purpose statement from adam C1.2 in the discretionary grants the purpose statement originally submitted by the agency was incorrect and they have provided a new description which is in your packet late yesterday staff received a request from DHS to remove itemd2, a request forrfQ approval from consideration
I move for the adoption of this report except for item d2 therfQ request from DHS and include the review previously held contracts and replacement of of the purpose statement for the health discretionary grant and pull out pull the out of state contract number 8 DHSdCfs with evident change for a separate consideration
members you've heard the report. are there any questions? I'm gonna recognize Senator Petty before we take a vote you reckon that Senator
Senator Jim Petty
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Petty? Thank you Mr Chair. I was just going to state for the record because I have an item on there I would be abstaining from vote on this duly noted thank you Senator Petty Members any questions on
this report seeing none we have a motion we have a second second, any discussion seeing none all those in favor signify by saying aye opposed guysys have it.ir, I would like to have
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DCFs to come to the table for separate answer separate questions on the contract that was pulled. right on the way
Good morning if you would just introduce yourself for the record and then we'll get on to the questions.
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good morning Tiffanyright, director for the division of childrenldren and Family Services.
Chair
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and Sarah Cunningham officef of procurement. Representative rose you're recognized Thank you Mr. chairir.
Representative Ryan A. Rose
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I'm over here on your right behind Representativeerry thank you for joining us today and taking the time to answer some questions
I want to thank you for your work DCfs
is an important component to what we do as a state. I appreciate your work especially in foster care and adoption the questions I'm gonna ask today are serious because I believe they're grounded in the priority of child safety this contract amendment that we're looking at expands to my understanding vendor authority and some of the most serious and sensitive stages of child safety and so I want to discuss that this morning to confirm for the record I submitted some questions
throughblr to understand the the scope of the amendment and prior to this amendment did evident change oversee hotline screening or investigative fidelity in Arkansas No they did not and should this amendment be passed the new responsibilities over hotline screening investigative fidelity calibrating the SDM hotline tool
and coaching investigators would now be under their authority is that
Speaker 87
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correct? Yes, they would be walking alongside the division, in regards to
Representative Ryan A. Rose
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that. so these are serious expansions of authority and they go right to the front end of our child protection system and so I I also want to know is there any other vendor that is involved statewide in SDM calibration or structured decision making investigative
fidelity guidance USPR reviews safe measure dashboards CQI reporting or is this now all under the umbrella of one vendor evident change. and this
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will all fall under one vendor evident change.
Representative Ryan A. Rose
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DoesdCfs have any independent entity or anybody outside the vendor that validates whether evident changes tools scoring or interpretations are accurate and unbiased
Speaker 78
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I would we would we would receive the reports back, review them, ask questions, so we may do
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some of our own validation and asking questions back but they would be overseeing the reviews and providing us that feedback
Representative Ryan A. Rose
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based on their reviews. So moving forward excuse me for hotline investigations for risk scoring for CQI data interpretation were effectively reliant on the same
vendor for both the tools and the evaluation of whether those tools are working Essentially
Speaker 87
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they're grading their own homework no so they're grading how the state imple is the state is implementing the work so how they brought the tools we use the
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tools to help support decision making they're evaluating the division and how the division is utilizing the tools and implementing the tools
Representative Ryan A. Rose
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that we have the tools that we are sourcing through them
that's correct the tools that we're paying them for correct correct this this contract amendment is for I don't know375,000 dollars something along those lines since 23 I think this contract has been somewhere around5 million dollars I think there's a second contract that review may have looked at back in June but we've been in business with them since 2018 it
Speaker 87
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sounds like yes when we started implementing and changing practice within the division we so one side of evident change is the tools the other side of their business is evaluation of the tools so it is different teams and so when we startedymsork they came into our state with these different sources of tools and data management. so this involvement with the hotline
Representative Ryan A. Rose
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and investigative fidelity this is new for them so they brought us excuse me that's new for them in Arkansas so they
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brought the structured decision making tool to the hotline now we're asking them to evaluate the use of that tool and how it's been implemented and what
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needs to be improved and provide feedback around that. to
Representative Ryan A. Rose
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establish a baseline would you agree that any vendor involved in
hotline screening or investigative decisions needs to align with Arkansas law or Arkansas legal definition of child abuse would you also agree that Arkansas law is clear with respect to gender transition procedures on minors under theA Act and related statutes that those procedures constitute abuse so thank you for that now I
wanna ask about the vendor's documented public policy positions were you aware that evident change publicly posted articles and argued that in Texas that gender transition surgeries hormone therapies etc for minors should not be treated or investigated as child abuse did not know that were you aware then I'm guessing not that those articles were later removed from evident change's website
they're only accessible through article recovery but during the RfP for the contract that was agreed to in 2023. I can give you a copy if you'd like afterwards at any point has somebody to your knowledge from DCfS or DHS instructed requested informed evident change that it would be advisable to remove such articles from their website
I don't I can't answer that. I don't know there's a lot of questions regarding their positions on a
number of issues Representative rose we need to try to wrap this up as quick as you can. if it's more discussion that we need to
have with the group we need to probably do that offline but I'll let you finish up at this point.
Representative Ryan A. Rose
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Yeah I thank you Mr.ir. so given the status publicly that the organization has posted on just this one issue and there
are others there is a very definite contradiction between their public opinions and the law that we have established here and so what I want to bring this back to is what matters most is if a vendor believes particular harmful practice is not abuse it's very concerning on how that could influence their opinions and overarching themes with regards to the hotline and investigative fidelity these are real concerns
because their decisions affect real families here in Arkansas and they sound like the go to shop right now inside of DCfs for data for consulting for coaching for the hotline I have one final question but I'd like to give you an opportunity to comment don't don't have a comment at this time I move that we refer this contract back to the
review subcommittee for further review and I appreciate the latitude Mr Chair. all right members
any other questions on this item we have a motion to review send this back to the review subcommittee
which will meet in December we have a motion to second. maybe a second in discussion all those in favor signify by saying aye aye opposed the ayes have it yeah senator hester
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thank you hey thank you for being here. I think it's really
Senator Bart Hester
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important that we're that we're doing the oversight and looking into this. I didn't want you to
get away without just like a center ro started thanking you for your endless work. I don't know that there's anyone or anyone in the state that's doing work that is so impactful so important, so critical that matters to that matters to you and your entire team. thank you for the work you're doing. it's important that we get the contracts right and that we understand what all it is but I didn't want you to get out of here without knowing how much we appreciate the work you're doing thank you Senator Hester. Thank you Senator Hester. thank
you both for coming down all right members that takes us to item 13 state insurance
programs that's going to be uhpresentative Rick Beck. Thank you
Representative Rick Beck
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Mr chair the state insurance program oversight committee met on wednesday the subcommittee reviewed the employees benefits division contract with public consulting group Lllc the subcommittee approved the prescription formularies and medical drug recommendations the subcommittee approved the
captivesurancegras investment policy statement the subcommittee discussed the legislation the legislative audits report on state and public employees health benefits for the fiscal year ending June 20,2024 I moved for adoption of this members you've heard the report are there any questions? seeing no
we have a motion got a second
second or any discussion seeing none all those in favor of seeing the op is saying aye opposed the ayes have it takes us to item 14 personnel committee this would be Senator Brianne Davis. Representative warren, can you give
the report? right go ahead and push your button you're recognized hang on one minute all right you're recognized the personnel subcommittee met
Representative Les Warren
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Wednesday, November 19th and reviewed the requests and reports listed
as items one through 8. the committee was provided a report as requested at the August meeting from the employee benefits division regarding the usage of the positions provided to them for the office of propertyrisk. no items were held and I respectfully move adoption of the report at the proper time thank youpresentative members any questions? all right seeing none we have a
motion. Can I get a second? We have a second any discussion seeing none all in the papers say aye oppose
the ayes have it and there are no reports on interim or special committees that takes us down to item h. I'm gonna give you just a second to look at those communications members the the only there's two
items we may need to talk about the item three Department of Commerce Economic Development Commission. I need a
motion to approve that request you have a motion can I get a second? of a second any discussion seeing none all those
in paper say aye and opposed the ayes have it senator Rice did you have anything you recognized now you're recognized
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thank you wanted to see if somebody from AId could come up on
3 B h 3 B we could get someone from the insurance department Morning gentlemen if you would introduce yourself for the record and then we'll get on with some questions. Jimmy Harris AId commissioner.
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good morning Daniel Holland Aidd Pbm general counsel. right you guys
have a report on the rule 128 I believe is what Senator Rice is asking about.
Senator Terry Rice
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thank you gentlemen for being here and and commissioner Harris and I spoke earlier in the week and I sent him a
copy from a constituent I thought might be helpful I would imagine some other people are getting some but because of the lawsuit regarding the
the Pbms and and CVS announcing they're pulling out of the state had a husband and wife retiree couple, that received corporate letter that says as of the end of the year that they're prescription through SilverScri which I haveilverSscript on my medicare but there's gonna be up and they're telling me that guys if you can wait just a second there's gonna be a with like $200 prescription they're
getting now for5 dollars or $10. I know this is up in the air with the judicial system but can you give us as far as this body something that we can give give back to our constituents because if they're gonna be shut off and that's what this letter in says it intend do if they're gonna be shut off and not have an option because of the annual sign up can you give us any direction that we can give our constituents
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yeah we we received your letter I forwarded it on to CVS and asked for an explanation of exactly what they're what they're talking about. I don't think they're necessarily pulling out. I think that was just a a change that they're making in their network. but when I get a response on that explanation I'll be sure and send that to you and we can talk about it
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but it is possible they could go ahead and shut off depending on the judicial ruling it's it's possible yes sir
Senator Terry Rice
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and again I just trying to be preemptive in in giving them options because can you answer this? could they sign up would they have an opportunity to sign up for something different if it did get cut off at the end of the
Speaker 130
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year yes sir they would be given an opportunity at I can't tell you exactly what that something different would be but the plan in that situation would certainly negotiate some different options. OK. I do greatly greatly appreciate you
Senator Terry Rice
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checking up on that and and it's just something I think could pecked across the
state so I wanted the body to know sir thank you Mr Chair
Chair
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thank you senator Senator hammer you recognized
Senator Kim Hammer
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thank you a couple of clarifications on the handout that we've got it says on the first page of the exhibit we have the preliminary review indicates that a reported NADA percentages are generally accurate but significant variations exist beneath those averages. could you expand on
that comment but significant variations exist beneath those averages yes senator so our consultants
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found that there was a a significant difference between reimbursement rates at national chain pharmacies
versus would you mind pulling the mic a little closer please thank you. yes senator sorry about that so our consultants found there was a significant difference between reimbursement rates at national chains versus independent pharmacies so we're we're trying to to get our
numbers in a in a place where we can isolate exactly how much that difference is and how that might affect an implementation of of rule 128. So the the discrepancy they found was reimbursement rates between national chains and independences. OK. and then on
Senator Kim Hammer
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the next page says that you have found a Pbm division the Pbm division has identified a third pbm appears to be operating without a license and open investigation how is it that a pbM could do business in
Arkansas without first being licensed and how is that addressed unless I'm misinterpreting the statement no sir you're not misinterpreting it. so
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the Pbm would contract with plans and then they would begin adjudicating pharmacy claims they can be began that adjudication you know within their internal systems without Aidd knowing Aidd will find out about it maybe through rule 128 reports or we could find out about it
through complaints filed by pharmacies. when we do get a complaint or rule 128 report with a pbm we're not familiar with we'll reach out to that Pbm ask them for an explanation in these situations with the two that we found we immediately reach out and and essentially ask how long they've been operating here without a license. how many reimbursements they've adjudicated without a license and these penalty amounts will be based on the amount of adjudications that they
performed while unlicensed so that's primarily how we find out about the Pbms who were operating without a license but as far as how they are able to do that they can adjudicate those claims based on their contracts with health plans without the state knowing at least for a while and who are the two Pbms you found operating without a license? the two are Rxxxdvance out of Massachusetts and
med one I think out of Iowa.
Senator Kim Hammer
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Mr chair a question to the chair please I saw on the
bottom of the report I think and maybe they can weigh in that 3 I saw a three week time frame that you're going to a comprehensive summary of these findings will be completed within the next three weeks and you're you're able to hold to that timetable given the holiday and everything. that's what I've been told. I think that's gonna be accurate. the chair will will chair have it on the agenda would put it on the agenda and maybe they're already on the agenda to
come back and challenge them to have that report ready by the next ALc in December.
Yes sir it'll it'll be on the agenda right thank you appreciate it bet Senator
Senator Jonathan Dismang
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Disma you recognize Thank you Mr Chairman and it just relates back to the reimbursement rates because I believe those are negotiated by the PSAOs for independent pharmacies typically and so I was just a little bit curious of where we are on the PSAo registration rulemaking process
I may have missed it but I mean I think that would be helpful to know who's all engaged as
Speaker 130
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we're gathering that information yes absolutely so we're we're working on drafting that licensing process that'll be very similar to the pbm licensing process significantly less entities to license I think there's7 or 8 PSaOs that operate in Arkansas but we're working on that rule now and these are the ones that negotiate those lower reimbursement rates
Senator Jonathan Dismang
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that we've kind of noted that's a lot of what they do
Speaker 130
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they're they're not negotiating it's not a a collective negotiation but they do assist in that
process and that is the majority of pbM pharmacy contracts. there are some direct contracts specifically between the pharmacy and the pbm but the vast majority are PSaO contracts right thank you sir
Senator Justin Boyd
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go Thank you Mr Chair. So just just for clarity's sake there was some discussion about discussion of terms in the contract does it really work that way or are these more like contracts of adhesion where it's really take it or leave it one side the PbM says these are the rules and you're
Speaker 135
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I I heard you I would say that categorizing those as adhesion contracts is generally accurate, yeah. and then just for some clarity it it
Senator Justin Boyd
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sounds like there's some thought that maybe there are
rates that are stable and in these contracts of adhesion that it's that the pharmacy is told or even the chain is told this is what your rate's gonna be but in my experience it's more like the rate is variable it can go up technically but generally it just goes down at the will of the Pbm iss that more reflective in the overall market of what you see I think so. I think that's accurate. That's something that we're we're
Speaker 130
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definitely dealing with with our affiliate limited scope examinations. we we get those agreements in order to determine exactly how a prescription is is reimbursed to a pharmacy and there is a there's a lot of I guess you could say wiggle room in those contracts and there's a lot of variants in in the reimbursement rates and sometimes you can tie do a contract and sometimes they are wildly outside of the terms of that contract. thank you for that clar
Agenda
A. Call to Order.
B. Roll Call.
C. Approval of the Minutes of the Last Meeting, October 17, 2025.
D. Presentation of the October 2025 Revenue Report – Dr. Carlos Silva, Legislative Economist
E. Report of the Executive Subcommittee — Sen. Ben Gilmore, Rep. Les D. Eaves, Co-Chairs.
F. Reports of Standing Subcommittees:
G. Reports of Interim or Special Committees: (none)
H. Review of Communications:
I. New Business: (none)
J. New Interim Study Proposals and Interim Resolutions: (none)
K. Business Carried Over: (none)
L. Adjournment.
Documents
Speakers
Representative Les D. Eaves Chair
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Senator Jim Petty
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Senator Kim Hammer
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Senator Fredrick J. Love
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Senator Ben Gilmore
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Representative Lane Jean
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Representative Dwight Tosh
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Senator Jane English
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Senator Jonathan Dismang
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Speaker 78
Chair
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Representative Ryan A. Rose
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Senator Bart Hester
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Representative Rick Beck
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Representative Les Warren
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Senator Terry Rice
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Senator Justin Boyd
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