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HB1327
Act 451
· 6 mentions in transcript, chapter, agenda
Matched: “…sed? Congratulations. The bill has passed. House Bill 1322. House Bill 1327. Representative Warren.”
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TO AMEND THE LAW CONCERNING THE ELIGIBILITY OF CERTAIN RETIRED EMPLOYEES UNDER THE STATE AND … | Warren | Notification that HB1327 is now Act 451 |
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HB1293
Act 414
· 5 mentions in transcript, chapter, agenda
Matched: “…You are literally right on time to take the table, sir. Uh house Bill 1293 Is all yours give you just a second to settle as members pu…”
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TO INCREASE THE PAYMENT OF A CLAIM TO DESIGNATED BENEFICIARIES OR SURVIVORS OF CERTAIN PUBLIC … | Andrews | Notification that HB1293 is now Act 414 |
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HB1313
Act 415
· 4 mentions in chapter, agenda, transcript
Matched: “HB1313 C. Cooper TO EXPAND HEALTH BENEFIT COVERAGE FOR CERTAIN FIR…”
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TO EXPAND HEALTH BENEFIT COVERAGE FOR CERTAIN FIREFIGHTER RETIREES OF MUNICIPALITIES AND COUNTIES. | C. Cooper | Notification that HB1313 is now Act 415 |
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HB1322
Act 416
· 4 mentions in transcript, agenda, chapter
Matched: “…carries. Congratulations, you've passed HB 1293. Thank you. HB 1322 by Representative Clowney. I'll be up next. Representative…”
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TO AMEND THE LAWS UNDER THE ARKANSAS LOCAL POLICE AND FIRE RETIREMENT SYSTEM CONCERNING LINE-OF-DUTY … | Clowney | Notification that HB1322 is now Act 416 |
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HB1304
· 3 mentions in chapter, agenda, transcript
Matched: “HB1304 Warren TO SET A LIMITATION PERIOD FOR THE CORRECTION OF ERR…”
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TO SET A LIMITATION PERIOD FOR THE CORRECTION OF ERRORS UNDER THE ARKANSAS PUBLIC EMPLOYEES' … | Warren | Died in House Committee at Sine Die adjournment. |
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Actually, as Representative Andrews in the room. There's Representative Andrews. You are literally right on time to take the table, sir. Uh house Bill 1293 Is all yours give you just a second to settle as members pull up House Bill 1293. And when you're ready, you are recognized
to present it here. Mr. Chair, committee.
Representative Wade Andrews
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0:45
I'm not a morning person. Alright, House Bill 1293.
Um So what we're doing is increasing the lot of death duty benefit. We have men and women who put themselves on the line every single day. Firefighters, first responders, police officers, state troopers. And this bill also is adding um our highway department workers does well.
Um, people who serve our state, our communities. And expect to go home to their families every night. But unfortunately, life happens and They don't always get to go home. And so It's been over a decade since this has increased since there's been any touch of this, you know, increase or anything. And so all this does move it from 150,000 to 250,000, um,
this doesn't touch any of the actual retirement systems. Um, because it's partially paid out of state claims and then the other half is paid out of the appropriate agency. Um, I think if you look at the actual run sheet, it says on average over the past 10 years been 5.5 claims a year. Um 5.1 is still too high, you know, the goal of this is to pay out, is to never have anyone die in the line of duty. But that's simply not the case of what happens. So what this does is,
It, it just gives their families a little more meaningful financial support. 250,000 is nothing to make, to make things whole. It's not, but it, it helps. And um Without taking questions. Our members,
you've seen, you've heard a presentation of the bill. Are there any questions? Senator Boyd, you are recognized for a question. Thank
Senator Justin Boyd
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2:43
you, Mr. Chair. Just to clarify, the way this is written, the previous languages after January 1st, 2003. So is
this gonna allow retroactivity, um, so what, so this,
Representative Wade Andrews
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2:53
so that's existing language of of what's already in law. And Um I need someone from smarter than me, but I, I
would assume most of those claims are even paid out. So right, I just didn't know if like if
Senator Justin Boyd
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3:08
you had stayed how I, I'm just curious more than any. I don't know that it changes the way I vote, but I'm like clarity if it's January 1st, 2003 and we're suddenly adding state highway employee could we possibly, I don't know if you
have the ability to answer that question or
not, but. And I think some of them Argos here
Speaker 6
3:33
too. And if there's any other Members from the The Department or
Speaker 22
3:41
Well OK. You got. You got to hold this one. Uh I am
Speaker 24
3:46
not a lawyer and it's way too early to Uh, be playing on TV, so.
But no, the way, the way that I, I, I didn't read those adding any retroactivity. That was. As he said, it, it is a, uh, language that was already there. Just saying that the deaths that occur after that point. Um, right, so what I'm trying to clarify
Senator Justin Boyd
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4:11
is do we have a highway and state highway employee who has died since 2003 that would now all of a sudden be do the and might be fine if it is. I just would like clear out. I was hoping for clarity. Maybe that's
Speaker 28
4:27
what I'm trying to say. So I, I, there's no
point in wasting a lot of time, but if we have anybody from the system that could identify how
Speaker 30
4:37
they would pay that out. Let me get that. Mr. Wiley there and they're getting ready
for budget over there, yeah. Good morning,
Speaker 32
4:48
state your name for the record. Jared Wiley, director of RA. All right, my knowledge just does not, is not retroactive, so it'd be from
the time of passing forward for, for highway employees. Thank you. Thank you. Members, are there any other questions from the committee? Representative
Representative Lee Johnson
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5:08
Rye, thank you, Senator Jim. You know, this is basically something we probably need to do due to inflation too, wouldn't you think so? This, this is the reason why we're adding $100,000
Representative Wade Andrews
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5:17
to it because, because just over the years costs have gone up, rips and fry. Thank you, sir. I appreciate you. Thank you, Representative Johnny. Any other questions from the committee?
Seeing none, we do have one signed up to speak for the bill, uh, Roger Smith. He's waving off and we don't have anybody to speak against, so you are recognized to
close for your bill. Mr. Chair. Um, I think it's long
Representative Wade Andrews
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5:46
overdue and like I said, it does make things whole, but I think it will definitely help out. And so with that I'm closed and
like to make a motion to pass. Get a motion
and a second, any discussion on the motion?
Seeing none, all in favor. Any post? Motion carries. Congratulations, you've passed HB 1293. Thank you. HB 1322 by Representative Clowney. I'll be up next. Representative Clowney, and you get settled there. You are recognized to begin.
Representative Nicole Clowney
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6:37
OK. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Good morning, committee. So back in 2019, we as a legislature prudently um made occupational cancer, so certain cancers that firefighters get as a result of fighting fires. We made those, uh, we made all of the changes in Arkansas law for those to be covered as a line of duty disability. We just neglected to cover a line of duty death benefits that result from those same cancers. so potentially survivors and
beneficiaries are missing out on a line of duty death benefits. This cleans that up so that there's a framework to allow them to get it. I echo everything Representative Andrews just said about the importance that these men and women serve to our communities. This bill was written with David Clark from Lotv if there are particular questions, hopefully he or I will be able to answer them, but that's what the bill does in a nutshell, if you look at the actuary statement that came with the bill, there is one
family that would be impacted by this since 2019, which is when we made that original. change to the law, and Senator Boyd, just in case you see language in the bill that does go back to 2019. That's why at that date, because that's when my occupational cancer um became codified as a line of duty disability, so we're just trying to line that up. So like I said, one family since then would qualify for these, so, um, Impact would likely be small in terms of fiscal to the state, but would be huge for these families who have given us so
much, so I'd be happy to take
any questions. You've heard a present. Presentation of the bill, any questions? Singing
Representative Les Warren
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8:20
Representative Warren, you're recognized. Rep Mc Clowney, would you clarify for the committee,
uh, on the one that would be retroactive. There wouldn't be any back pay, right? It would just be The pay Correct. Going forward that
Representative Nicole Clowney
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8:37
would be covered going forward, but no payments will be made
going backwards. Yes, sir. All right. Any other questions? Seeing none, uh, oh. Representative Rye, you're recognized. Thank you, Senator Jim.
Representative Lee Johnson
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8:55
Miss Clowney, this would give the folks like if they're hard, they're trying to get the addresses and all that type stuff straightened out, but they have a five-year period in there that if that's not, if they're not contacted or if they don't apply, then they actually can come back and
Representative Nicole Clowney
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9:12
Can do that once. I think that's a totally different bill. I'm sorry, Representative Rye, I'm not sure. 1322 is the one that we're on. That's all right. Thank you, Representative Duke, you're
recognized. Thank you, Mr. Chair. um, thank you, Representative Clowney.
Representative Hope Duke
Unverified
9:29
I have a just a quick question and I'm trying to find the place. In the bill, but I just wanted some clarification of what it says presumed. To be the result of
Active duty, I think I made these notes like last week for that, um, oh sure, so I just. So do you, how's that determined? I think from what I recollect. There were some standards already in. code on this, but if
Representative Nicole Clowney
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9:56
you could clarify what's the line of duty disability, um, section of code that we already have, um, and that this that presumed language comes from there. There is
Speaker 59
10:04
some type of. Guardrails on this and since 2000 and 2019, I
Representative Nicole Clowney
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10:13
believe it's three families that have qualified, um, and one for the disability part and one has died. So as you can see, it's not, it is not something that is, you know, utilized often and the system is not being abused. Yeah. Yeah. Are you done
Representative Duke? All right, are there any other
questions from the committee? Seeing none. We don't have anybody signed up to speak
for or against is there anyone in the audience that is wanting to
speak for or against seeing down you're recognized clothes for your bill and Representative
Clowney. Close for the bill. I'd appreciate a good vote. Right, I, I have a motion. To have a 2nd. I have a 2nd. Any
discussion on the motion. Seeing none, all in favor any opposed? Congratulations. The bill has passed. House Bill 1322. House Bill 1327. Representative Warren.
We're skipping over House Bill 1304. It Sta after the
Representative Les Warren
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11:47
Um-hum. bills Thank you, Mr. Chairman. You're recognized Les Warren District
84. I'd like to, uh, Ask Grant Wallace to please come to the table. Mr. Wallace, if
you would state your name and position for the record.
Speaker 69
12:10
Grant Wallace, director of employee benefits division. You recognize and begin. Thank you Mr. Chairman.
Representative Les Warren
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12:21
So, many people believe employee benefits is a part of public retirement. Believe me, I know because I get the calls. They are separate entities. House Bill 1327 begins to bring clarity to the situation by changing the name of the program to state and public school life and health insurance program. Members of the retirement systems are eligible to participate in this program.
But the program is managed by employee benefits. There are 2 main requirements in this bill is trying to clarify. And put in statute specific requirements, so there are no questions. On who qualifies and how you get to participate. In this program. Number one, you must be vested in one of the retirement systems. 2. You must have been in the program for at least 5 years before retiring.
There's one exception to that. I'm a perfect example. Uh For legislators. I am covered by my employer's insurance. I don't need The insurance through work right now. But I plan to retire in the future. And so I was asking Grant. What about me? I'll be vested. At the end of this term, if I
wanted to use this. Insurance in my retirement years. Why wouldn't I be able to use it? So because I'm not going to be in it for 5 years. So anybody that uh was employed prior to March of 2022. You only have to be a participant for one day. To get to Use the Program for retirement.
OK, so there's a one exception to that. Rule of having to have been in the program for 5 years. If you joined before. March of 2022. All you have to do is be in the program for one day. And then you can participate When you leap. So Uh, the only other items raised in this bill are to make clear that participation in this program is not allowed if there's a conflict with federal
law as to a member's ability to participate. And then confirmed that a member's failure to respond in the required period of time is not grounds for being reconsidered or acceptance in the program. You know that it You've got to uh say I'm either in or I'm out. Failure to respond is not a problem for employee benefits. You either do it when you're supposed to or you're not going to be able to get in the program.
Uh, there's no fiscal impact on any of the state retirement systems and there is minimal to no impact on the state and public school life and health insurance programs, so I'd be glad to take any questions. You've heard
a presentation of the bill, uh representative Perry, you're recognized for a question. Thank you, Mr.
Representative Mark Perry
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15:52
Chair. Representative Warren, so, let me understand. So on the benefit side if you're uh
See I don't. So you're a member of the plan. You're covered under the group insurance, group health insurance, your spouse is covered under Their group insurance when both of you retire, can the spouse join you on the, on the group health insurance plan, even though I have Grant here. That's what I thought. So as long as, sorry. on
Speaker 73
16:33
Your Honor. OK, so as long as I, the employee, have been on the plan and qualify for retiree coverage under these circumstances have been vested in a retirement system and have had insurance with the state through EBD for 5 years. Then yes, the loss of group coverage for my spouse is a qualifying event for my spouse to join me on the retirement insurance. Great. OK. Thank you. Thank you, Representative Andrews, you're
Representative Wade Andrews
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17:05
recognized. Thank you. Is this gonna be like you know your time is like. Expensive Cobra-like plant or is it or is the state covered part of their part or is the
Speaker 73
17:19
retiree responsible for all the payment. So in this instance, the only reason that a retiree might look at our cobra benefit would be if they are not quite retiring, retiring and need some sort of gap filled between another
between our plan and another plan picking them up, um, there might be some time period where they leave state but don't actually draw their retirement benefits, for example, maybe they leave in May. and they don't pick up their retirement benefits until August, um, so that time period between May and August, yes, they could go on to Cobra, but that's not what this is addressing. This is really addressing the retirement plan, uh, health benefit plan that we do have available for our
Representative Wade Andrews
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18:05
retirees. Follow up. OK. So is this Is this, is this like affordable
Speaker 73
18:13
or is it a little more pricey. Um, I think affordable is always in the eyes of the beholder. Um, I, I do, but I think both of our plans are affordable and reasonable, um, obviously our group Medicare Advantage plan that we offer through UnitedHealthcare is the more affordable option between our traditional supplemental plan and uh the group Medicare Advantage plan. Thank you.
So grant, this, this is for someone who is fully retired. Yes, sir. And then is no longer in state employment or employed anywhere else. Correct, yes, sir. And so it Does it also qualify, you said May to August, but what if the gap is 2 years, say they left state employment. They're not ready to fully retire. Then they, uh, So they're, they're working somewhere else. They're not a state employee, then they, they come back and they retire. Do
they have to come back for one day to to activate it or as
Speaker 73
19:11
long as they meet the criteria that it said, you know, we work with the retirement systems as long as they say, yep, they're vested, they're getting their benefits, they're qualified, and they have done, they have had during their time period the 5 years of coverage with us, then yes, they can roll on at that point. So they triggering is the 5 years of vesting
for that qualifying. And so it could be 10 years after the lab left state employment. They want to come back. They're fully retired now
and they want to uh uh pick up state health insurance, OK, um, Representative Rye. No, I'm
fine, sir. All right, seeing no other questions, oh, Senator Tucker, you're recognized. So on
Senator Clarke Tucker
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19:54
page 2, That subdivision 2A that starts at line 25. If the member retiree or designated beneficiary later submits all documentation required, so on. The system may direct payment to
the member. I was just curious. While we put May there instead of shell. Which one are you looking at, sir? I'm sorry. It's the last last word of line
28. You're on page 2? Yes, sir. You're on 1327. 0
Speaker 89
20:33
no, I'm on the wrong bill. My apologies. I thought, never mind. All right,
uh, seeing no other questions, um. You HB 1327. Uh You need a minute to get to that bill. All
Speaker 69
20:53
right. Trust me, it's a good bill. It doesn't do very much. Oh. He's not ready to run 1304, correct? Um.
Seeing no one, no one signed up from the audiences everybody in
the audience signed up or want to speak for or against the bill. Seeing none, you're recognized close
Representative Les Warren
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21:21
for the bill. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Committee, basically this is just trying to give some clarity.
To the state and public, uh, let me make sure I get this. Let me look at the name. State and public school life and health insurance program. We want to make sure that we make it clear for everybody.
What the requirements are, get the name, uh, throughout the whole statute the same. A lot of technical uh corrections, but just mainly getting the name straight and making sure that there's no question as to how you get to participate in this when you retire. So I would make a motion to pass. I've got a motion on the bill. And I got
a 2nd right a second by Senator Tucker
now that he's read the bill, all right, any discussion on the bill? Uh, seeing none, all in favor? And you post?
questiontion carries. House Bill 1327 is passed. Congratulations, uh, Representative Cooper, I think I see you in the, there you are, um. House Bill 1313. Well state your name for the record and you are recognized to begin.
Representative Cameron Cooper
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22:47
Representative Cameron Cooper, District 57. Of house Bill 1313 for you today. This ensures that a firefighter who retires but is not yet of the age to qualify for Medicare can stay on the health insurance plan. Of the city they retired from. This bill amens Act 535 of 2023 by Representative Acre. Which brought consistency across the state regarding police officers who retired but were
not yet of age to qualify for Medicare benefits. Allowing them to stay on the health insurance plan of the city or county they retired from. The constituent of mine who is a retired firefighter asked if we could insure the same benefit to all retired retired firefighters. That is what this bill does. It simply amends Act 535 to include firefighters. It says that a firefighter who retires and is not yet of age to qualify for Medicare can stay on the health insurance plan of the city they retire from. And the city will will determine
the amount of the premium the retiree will pay. Now it's understood and assumed that the city will likely require the retiree to pay the whole monthly insurance premium, but ultimately that determination is left up to the city. This will just give the retiree an additional choice when planning for their health insurance needs after retirement. Allow them to keep their health insurance plan if they like it. Most cities are already extending this privilege to retirees, but we just want to bring consistency across the state, make sure all cities are on the same page and no one is
being missed. As well as ensure that firefighter retirees are extended the same benefit that we have already given police retirees with Act 535. I visited with the municipal league and they support this bill. There's no fiscal impact
to this bill and no known opposition. My best to answer any questions. You've heard a presentation of the bill. Are there any questions from the
committee? Seeing represent or Senator Love, you are recognized.
Senator Fredrick J. Love
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24:51
Actually, it, it's not a question on the bill. I have a question to
Mr. Carrera. Jody, if you would. State your name
Speaker 101
25:06
for the record, please. Jody Carrero actuary for the committee. Yes, sir. Thank you very much. So
Senator Fredrick J. Love
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25:12
Mr. Carrera, I see on, on I've seen a multiple. Um, fiscal impacts. You, you, you stated that there's no significant fiscal
impact. I'm just trying to gauge what significant means. And how much, what is the range of significant when when we, when we begin to talk about the financial impact. What is how do you engage in
Speaker 105
25:38
this case, when, when I use it, it's, it, I mean, to me it means immeasurably
Speaker 24
25:43
small. There, there is gonna be some If there is a A plan that is not covering firefighters that are retired,
that there would be some cost to them. In that, um. Even though they pay the same premium. They, they retiree costs more than a working member. So it would make the in, in a sense, make the group rates go up some, but it's not, not measurable. It would not be enough
Senator Fredrick J. Love
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26:13
to, to measure. OK, so, uh, but what I'm saying is, what are we talking about in the in dollar figure.
Speaker 24
26:26
I mean, there could be, uh, I don't know. I mean, it, it's so small, I don't know what it is. It's, it's not 0, it's above 0, but it is. Not significant. So that's the best way I know to say it, sir. All right. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Representative Warren, you're recognized. Jody just Uh As a question
Representative Les Warren
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26:50
for the whole bill. All right, so That is a cost that would be
borne by the city or the county, correct? That's correct. This would not have any impact on our state retirement systems. This does
Speaker 24
27:05
not impact the state retirement systems at all. And
Representative Les Warren
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27:08
with respect to the impact that it may have on a city or a county. That would
Speaker 110
27:13
be Their choice to do that, correct? It, it would be, well,
Speaker 105
27:21
it wouldn't if we pass this is mandatory to cover these folks. Uh,
Speaker 24
27:29
every example I found they already covered, but, but it is Representative Cooper says this is making sure that everybody is covered. It's kind of a backstop to that. OK, thank you. Representative
Chair
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27:39
Johnny you're recognized. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Joey, I guess
Representative Lee Johnson
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27:44
what it all amounts to if you had someone that actually was going to carry that on from, say if they retired at 55. And Medicaid kicks in at 65. Yes, sir. Then, basically, what you're looking at is the age,
maybe a little bit more because of age. And then they may have some healthcare problems, you know, but, Overall it's no big deal, is it? No, it would not
Speaker 111
28:10
be a big deal. No, sir. Thank you. Thank you. Seeing
no other questions, uh, don't have anybody signed up to speak for or against.
Does anyone in the audience want to speak for or against this bill. Seeing none, you're recognized close for your bill, Representative Cooper. Understand the questions on any
Representative Cameron Cooper
Unverified
28:30
possible costs, but I think it's important to note that the municipal League does support this bill. I confirmed that with them last night. So, uh, they're, you know, they're willing to support this, so I'm close to the bill. I
appreciate a good vote. All right, it's closed for the bill. Do I have a motion? Got a motion from Representative Andrews, 2 from Senator Boyd. Any discussion on the motion? If discussion, Senator Love, you're recognized for discussion. Thank you, Mr.
Senator Fredrick J. Love
Unverified
28:56
Chair. And the, the question that I raised was not directed
towards your bill or or the merits of your bill. I just actually raised the question because I noticed that this was actually on several of the fiscal impacts, so it's it was no, um, my comment was not directed towards your bill. It was just directed to the fact. I just want to know what's significant meant, so, um, I support the bill. just want to know. So. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Right? Any other discussion?
Seeing none, all in favor. Any opposed? Motion carries. Congratulations, you passed House Bill 1313
members, uh, we are. We've still got a few bills left in the hopper for this committee, so we will be meeting after spring break. We will not meet next week, but after we get back, so just watch your
calendar as um uh obviously the afternoon schedules are getting tight and so this, this may work
a little bit better to to have something on
a Tuesday morning or something like that. Um, we, we, we have a full committee. I mean, so, uh, but seeing no other business, we are adjourned.
Agenda
REGULAR AGENDA
Number Sponsor Subtitle
HB1293 Andrews TO INCREASE THE PAYMENT OF A CLAIM TO DESIGNATED BENEFICIARIES OR SURVIVORS OF CERTAIN PUBLIC EMPLOYEES KILLED IN THE LINE OF DUTY.
HB1322 Clowney TO AMEND THE LAWS UNDER THE ARKANSAS LOCAL POLICE AND FIRE RETIREMENT SYSTEM CONCERNING LINE-OF-DUTY DEATH FROM OCCUPATIONAL CANCER; AND TO DECLARE AN EMERGENCY.
HB1304 Warren TO SET A LIMITATION PERIOD FOR THE CORRECTION OF ERRORS UNDER THE ARKANSAS PUBLIC EMPLOYEES' RETIREMENT SYSTEM AND THE STATE POLICE RETIREMENT SYSTEM.
HB1327 Warren TO AMEND THE LAW CONCERNING THE ELIGIBILITY OF CERTAIN RETIRED EMPLOYEES UNDER THE STATE AND PUBLIC SCHOOL LIFE AND HEALTH INSURANCE PROGRAM.
HB1313 C. Cooper TO EXPAND HEALTH BENEFIT COVERAGE FOR CERTAIN FIREFIGHTER RETIREES OF MUNICIPALITIES AND COUNTIES.
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| Agenda — PUBLIC RETIREMENT & SOCIAL SECURITY PROGRAMS-JOINT, Mar 18, 2025 | Agenda | 1 | Official source ↗ |
Speakers
Senator Jim Dotson Chair
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Representative Wade Andrews
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Senator Justin Boyd
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Representative Lee Johnson
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Representative Nicole Clowney
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Representative Les Warren
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Representative Hope Duke
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Representative Mark Perry
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Senator Clarke Tucker
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Representative Cameron Cooper
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Senator Fredrick J. Love
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