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Senator Ben Gilmore
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Members, if you would, go ahead and take your seats. We're going to go ahead and get started. So with that, I'm going to call the committee to order. sees
a quorum. Let's go ahead and start with the consideration of the minutes. So members,
we're going to have to do this a little bit differently. Exhibit B1 of your packet or Senate minutes, committee minutes only. So only the members of the Senate will be able to vote on those. So with that, I will entertain
a motion from the Senate to approve the minutes for Exhibit B1. I have a motion. I have a second. Any discussion on those? Wait a second. You're not on the committee, Senator Filippo.
So I have a motion and I have a second. Yes. So with that,
any discussion? Senator Filippo, would you like to have discussion? Okay. See, no discussion. All in favor say aye.
all right nope not hearing any opposed thank you uh members going to exhibit b2 this is the joint committee uh so i can entertain motions from either side uh i
have a motion i have a second any discussion on the motion seeing none all in favor
say aye thank you and no opposed all right exhibit b3 this is for the senate only uh senator flippo i appreciate your effort but i'll ask you not to make this motion uh but it's exhibit b3 in minutes um for the december 4th
meeting i'll entertain a motion i have a motion i have a second any discussion see none all in favor say aye any opposed all right um and then exhibit b4 this is for the friday
december 6th meeting uh senate only i'll entertain a motion from the senate i have a motion i
have a second any discussion on the motion seeing none all in favor say aye all right thank you I would ask the committee to to wake up on my side a little bit I see the the house is here all bright-eyed so
members with that we're going to move
to item C Department of Human Services Division of Children and Family Services and this is rules pertaining to safety and risk management and technical revisions uh do we have
there she is if you would please come to the table recognize yourself for the record and you may proceed
Speaker 9
6:23
good morning i'm amber sartain i'm an assistant director with the division of children and family services up today for review this morning the rule bracket that we
have reflects current practice in dcfs as it relates to safety and risk management this rule also reflects language changes as a result of act 364 of the 94th general assembly such as replacing the terms protection plan with immediate safety plan there are also some technical changes throughout the packet as well to no operational changes within the division some removal of internal procedures and some general formatting and formatting purposes are also included there is no fiscal impact we didn't receive any public comments during the public comment period
And I'm happy to answer any questions. Thank
Senator Ben Gilmore
Unverified
7:11
you. All right, members, you've heard a presentation. Any questions? Okay. I
see no questions. Then I will entertain a motion to review the rule. I have a motion. I have a second. Any discussion? Seeing none, all in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Thank you. The rule is reviewed. Thank you.
all right let's go down to item d department human services division of children family services and this would be uh the quarterly performance reports let's let's just hear the most recent report if
you would director thank you and you would recognize yourself for the record you may proceed good
Speaker 16
7:57
morning i'm tiffany wright i'm the director for the division of children and family services and so if you'll go to the book that you have that says third quarter which will be
January 1st through March 31st that is the book that I'll be reviewing this morning with you all and then just as a reminder if we talk about if you want to know about your specific county or area in the state the map on the
Speaker 17
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front provides the outline for those specific counties and areas and how we break
Speaker 16
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them up at DCFS. On page one, during this quarter, there were a total of 8,154 child maltreatment reports accepted at the child abuse hotline.
6,677 of those were accepted and assigned to DCFS. 5,090 of those were accepted for investigation and 1,587 of those were assigned to differential response. On page two, at the top of the page two, you'll see the chart around the percentage of investigations that were found true during this quarter. And
Speaker 17
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you can also see the first and second quarter, which are separate books that you have in front of you today.
Speaker 16
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At the bottom of page two, you can see what the number one or breakdown of the allegation types and what we were finding true for. So 62% of our maltreatment reports were found true for neglect, followed by 24% of physical abuse.
Speaker 17
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If you go to page 4, you will find the chart around the timeliness of initiating investigations. As well as the bottom of that page, you'll find the timeliness of closure.
For both of these graphics, we continue to monitor and watch these. these are both initiations and timely closure are important to ensuring safety of children we've been working with drilling down into specific areas of the state to drill down and determine exactly what we're finding related to initiations and what we are seeing is while we got better for a little bit on timeliness of initiation we are still seeing continued turnover
as well as when staff are turning over then reports are old old reports are not the priority the new reports are the priority so that we can ensure safety of kids and so we're continuing to focus on this with our staff across the state recently convened our investigations team and reviewed some of this data with them and had
Speaker 16
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conversations about what they're seeing across the state if you go to page six at the top of page six this is reoccurrence of maltreatment
within six and twelve months and so right now six percent we're seeing a reoccurrence of maltreatment within six percent of our cases but we do remain below the national standard at the top of page seven for in-home cases you'll see that we currently are at the end of the
Speaker 17
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quarter had 1,512 in-home cases as a reminder in-home cases are those cases where we are serving children and families in the home with their parents and providing services to ensure
Speaker 16
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safety and monitoring that does involve 3500 children on page eight at the bottom you'll see the monthly home visit so that's dcfs staff going out and visiting this is actually the highest in fourth quarters we have been working on this
Speaker 17
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as a team across the state and so we're continuing to to make progress on that. At the top of page nine, you will see the victimization rate amongst
children who have received protective and supportive services cases. Again, this is a number that we monitor to ensure and follow that the services we're providing, the families that we're providing support to, that we're providing the right services
Speaker 16
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and ensuring that kids are safe and really monitoring when we're making decisions. At the top of page 10, moving into foster care, you'll see the continued decline in kids in foster care.
And the bottom will show you entries and discharges. So
Speaker 17
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we have just almost the same amount of kids entering as exiting. Permanency is important across the state for kids who enter, ensuring timely permanency. so we follow that pretty closely. At the top of
Speaker 16
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page 11, you will see the entries into foster care and those entry reasons, and as a reminder, a child could enter foster care for
Speaker 17
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more than one reason. At the bottom, you'll see the discharge reasons for children exiting foster care, 40%
Speaker 16
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this quarter were reunification followed by 25 adoption and you can see the rest of the chart there. On page 12 you will see that over 78% of the children in foster care are in a family-like setting so this could be with a relative with a fictive kin in a foster home or in a therapeutic foster home on a child home visitor in a pre-adoptive placement
Speaker 17
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and at the bottom the number
one goal for permanency goal for kids in foster care remains 48
Speaker 16
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percent at the top of page 13 monthly visits to children in foster care were 85 percent at the
Speaker 17
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end of third quarter again this has been another priority for the division ensuring that we're seeing kids in foster care and we're continuing to trend up and then at the bottom of that chart in the middle
Speaker 16
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of the page you'll see 93% of those children were seen by any member of DCFS.
On page 14 siblings placed together 75% of the kids in the state are placed together with their siblings. At the top of page 15 you will see permanency within 12 months because we know permanency
Speaker 17
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has to be a priority for the division ensuring that as children are in our care we can safely and swiftly move them to permanency and so we are starting to trend up on timely permanency as well. Bottom of page 15 would be is related to preventing re-entries into foster care so
are the kids that were reunifying remaining at home when the decision is made to reunify and currently at the end of third quarter we were at 5.9 percent which is remains below the national standard on
Speaker 16
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page 16 at the top the number of children available for adoption at the end of the quarter was 197 total kids that also includes children who may be adopted by their relatives and then at the top of page 18 um we finalized 121 adoptions um 40 percent of those were with
relatives this quarter and 34 percent of those children were over the age of 10 which shows that the work that um together that we've been doing is working related to moving our older children in youth to permanency um and that is all i have on this report okay so i
Senator Ben Gilmore
Unverified
15:52
have a question before we go to questions from members um thank you for the report
thank you for being here uh so i was looking through all the different reports on page 24 of that where it shows caseload average by
county um i was just looking through there and so maybe you can help me figure out the rhyme or reason as to the fluctuation we see in some some of these counties like for instance uh bradley county in the uh march 31 2025 has uh 17 but then you go back and uh last year in december 31 there was 22 and then if you go back um september 30 24 there's zero and that's just one example is there
any particular reason why you see that that fluctuation amongst counties
Speaker 27
16:41
yeah so um it's all dependent upon turnover that we have within the workforce so if there are staff um in that county and then if there's not so we could we could move
Speaker 17
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counties to we can move cases to other counties so that they can be worked um also this is all cases so when um like when you have investigations that a lot of investigations if invested more maltreatment reports are coming in
caseloads go up if kids are not discharging from foster care caseloads go up and so it just moves but also as we have workforce struggles we have to move cases to ensure that they're being worked so kids are safe and so we do that we do that
Senator Ben Gilmore
Unverified
17:22
pretty frequently so on the september 3024 report um where it says zero that that just means
that we did not have um a caseworker there someone who's working that case that's that that's right that case
Speaker 27
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was probably moved to a neighboring county which is why like so in the
Speaker 17
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area it could have went down to cleveland it could
Chair
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17:42
have went over to um dallas it just depends upon where the staff are real as in relation to what we have going on in those cases okay and i may have a
Senator Ben Gilmore
Unverified
17:50
couple of follow-ups but i want to get to members uh representative wardlaw you're recognized for a question thank you
Representative Jeff Wardlaw
Unverified
17:56
mr chair you kind of hit on most of my questioning but recently we've had an influence in cases in bradley county and some
of them have been really complex and i know you can't talk about the cases we're not going to ask those questions but what i am going to ask is uams called me for the last
six months about a particular case in bradley county and they said that in all the schools that they work in when they see a case they call in and it's worked asap and you guys do a good job but in bradley county for some reason those cases never get worked and that's a neglect to the constituency that i serve and the folks of bradley county and i want to know why and when you look at these case numbers you look back to the september and it's at zero and then it goes to 22.75 which i'm guessing as an average because i've never seen a
0.75 of a case and then it goes to 17 so kind of walk me through how many staff are located there at that DHS office under your direction and walk me through why that complaint was made about our particular area in South Arkansas we understand that y'all forget that we're still in Arkansas but we are and we need our people taken care of just as well as anybody else in the state of Arkansas
Speaker 27
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so I don't we don't forget about Bradley
Speaker 17
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County at DCFS they're important to us
too um I don't have the number of staff in that county but I can give you a breakdown of the number of staff
Representative Jeff Wardlaw
Unverified
19:24
today to talk about staff and the counties and you don't
Speaker 17
19:27
have the numbers i don't have it i don't have it broken down by worker with with me i could probably pull it up on my computer if
Chair
Unverified
19:33
we but i don't have the number of staff in that county right now today
Representative Jeff Wardlaw
Unverified
19:37
before you leave this building today we need to
Senator Ben Gilmore
Unverified
19:43
sit down okay lord representative i think great minds think alike in that i and i just saw those numbers and it struck me all right representative mcclure you're recognized for a question thank you
Representative Rick McClure
Unverified
19:53
and yes you've answered most of my questions but
i want to bring your attention to hot spring in grant county which is on the opposite end of the spectrum with extremely high numbers and i'm assuming you're going to reply that it's staffing and you're in a process of staffing where are we in that and then how far are we going
Speaker 16
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to get behind on all the services while we're waiting so i would say we're
Speaker 17
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not necessarily getting behind on services but we are you we are having to pull staff from multiple counties over to help cover
those cases and work the cases as well as we've had staff from other areas of the state come in and help out in different counties when we are navigating what's happening with the turnover we are hiring people as quickly as we can get them hired we DHS did a hiring event DCFS was able to get six people hired. I'm not sure if those were exactly a part of that county or not but I could give that to you and then I you know we just keep we always have to monitor the workloads and what's
Representative Rick McClure
Unverified
21:01
going on with the turnover. Yes I being around this foster care thing
for a long time I understand that the caseload and the workers is a consistent turnover rate. It's always a challenge but when I see 47 versus 21 being maybe a national average with the people that you're pulling in is that getting it back down closer to the 21 on the temporary place or is it just are those case
workers that are coming in from different counties now overloaded on both sides and only these two counties reflected so we
Speaker 17
21:40
try when we do bring in staff we try not to bring them in um to overload the their county right so we have to be very strategic about that which is why we try not to do that all the time like that's not a common practice um we have sent staff from our central office program managers out to help as well but also this is where we rely in the heavily with
our community partners who are out in the community supporting some of the work and working with parents as well because they're seeing families too and can help us navigate referrals for services and that kind of thing so i don't know if i really answered the question um but we try we wait until the very last minute before we start pulling staff from other states because we know um historically over the years that that
Speaker 29
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doesn't always solve the problem because then you send other counties down into crisis as
Speaker 46
22:35
well okay one quick comment and then and
Representative Rick McClure
Unverified
22:38
as you as you project out I don't know that you're aware or you possibly you are there is a population growth especially in the northern northeast part of Grant County and in north I mean northwest Grant County and northeast Hot Spring County so the number of people that you have traditionally served in those two counties are going up and we anticipated to go up for the next few years so just
keep that in mind as you plan out so yeah we do
Speaker 16
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a workload we try to do a workload analysis um every quarter to balance out um staffing supervision ratio to make sure that
Chair
Unverified
23:14
we're we're looking at the workloads to make sure we have the right people in the right spot the number of
Senator Ben Gilmore
Unverified
23:24
people in the right county thank you you're welcome so i have a question then i'll I'll go to
representative Tosh here in just one second. Um, the pay plan that was recently passed, do we anticipate
Speaker 16
23:38
that helping, uh, with the shortage? Yeah. I, yes, I hope so. Um, I, we, um, looked at our retention. Um, I pulled it
Speaker 17
23:44
at the end of April and we have actually, it's getting better.
It's improving again, uh, meaning that we're, we're turning over from 60% to 48%, which is much better. And so I'm hoping that with the pay plan going into effect, we'll be able to recruit people as well as maintain people who may be holding on. Okay. Um, I know that's not Senator
Senator Ben Gilmore
Unverified
24:06
Hester, but it is a representative Tosh. Representative Tosh, you're recognized. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I appreciate you. I know
Representative Dwight Tosh
Unverified
24:15
I'm not a member of the committee and thank you for allowing me to ask
this question. I just want to make sure that I understand who's conducting the investigations. And I was listening a while ago when you gave your report back on page two, the number of sexual abuse investigations that's being conducted. I'm assuming the way you explained that was by the investigators with DHS is the way I took that. So what I'm trying to be sure of on a sexual abuse case, Who's actually the, are y'all conducting those investigations?
Are you turning those over to CACD, Crimes Against Children's Division with the Arkansas State Police? I thought they would, I thought that's the type of cases they investigated. So I was just trying to make sure I understood who's the lead agency when it comes to these type of sexual abuse investigations. How do y'all handle
Speaker 16
25:13
that? So your more severe maltreatment, which would include some sexual abuse, does go to Crimes
Speaker 17
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Against Children Division. And then if CACD requests DCFS complete a health and safety assessment, at that point we would become involved with the investigation.
Speaker 22
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So I would say most are going to CACD. Okay, that's what I wanted
Representative Dwight Tosh
Unverified
25:33
to be sure of. Your agency is not investing those type of serious crimes. Y'all are actually, when you get that call, you're turning those over to CACD. is that what you just said? They're assigned at the hotline.
Speaker 16
25:45
So when the, when the call comes in from the child abuse hotline, it is assigned either to DCFS or CACD. Okay. Thank you.
Senator Ben Gilmore
Unverified
25:58
Representative Gramlich, you are recognized. Uh, thank you, Mr. Chair. Um, really just, I
Representative Zack Gramlich
Unverified
26:01
mean, I've had, I've had people contact me in the last few days talking about a lot of our foster care workers and stuff
Speaker 60
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like that. My big question is we talked a little bit about retention and there's monetary component is there anything else we're doing like specifically that is act we're actively trying to increase retention in our people because i know it's a revolving door if i talk to anyone who's been in in the um in the department for a while that's the constant issue so besides us increasing pay what are other things that you all are doing specifically to increase retention among
Speaker 17
26:30
these workers um so over the course of the last several years we've done other um monetary things to support their to support their work as well as we've been exploring ways that we support them through for example secondary trauma and we implemented and have trained some of our workforce in something called c-cert which is a secondary trauma and they have enjoyed that training the feedback we've gotten is they have enjoyed and learned something from that so we're discussing
ways that we do enhance that and provide that to all staff we also are starting to explore we've heard from our frontline staff about new staff training and what that looks like and how that if it was different it may be able to help them more so that they can build longevity and so we're exploring ways that new staff training is more appropriate for them right now it is a long training um and the feedback we're getting is they would like something different and
um that sets them up for more success and so that and then just being um and as well as when I say new staff I'm also talking about the supervisors as well because supervisors are critical to the work that those frontline staff are doing and so how do we support supervisors and give them the skills that they need to support the frontline workforce so we're talking about training we're talking about the mental health components then the monetary is coming and then just being present
and remembering what the work is like so we visit county offices my team visits to see what's going on how can we support them hear systems barriers they might be having
Speaker 62
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things that we can change all right uh vice chair bentley you're recognized
Speaker 63
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thank you chairman representative gram like asked pretty much what
Representative Mary Bentley
Unverified
28:19
i was wanting to ask but do we know what other states are as far as retention goes if they're where we are at 48 to 60 percent do you know that um not off the top of my head i
Speaker 17
28:33
know there are some states that have um are doing much better than we are 25 30 percent and there are states who are experiencing the same things that we are related to high amount of turnover um it is different it is different depending on
Chair
Unverified
28:47
where you're at so those states that are doing
Representative Mary Bentley
Unverified
28:50
well at 25 do we know what they're doing that we're not doing that we might
Speaker 27
28:55
be able to implement at all some of them have very small caseloads um they're able to retain staff um things that
Speaker 17
29:03
we've been doing it related to permanency and prevention and those different efforts in within the whole scope of the work not just focused on the workloads but like changing the value of the work those things so it's kind of a mix it's kind of all the things that we've been doing it's just we need to keep doing these the things that we've been working on in our state and keep moving forward I think you see more turnover with your foster care staff because those cases are harder
and so much more to navigate and so you see more turnover with them and
Speaker 16
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so like how do we keep that effort moving forward and wrapping around them and giving them the support that they need
Representative Mary Bentley
Unverified
29:47
okay thank you I think we need to continue
Senator Ben Gilmore
Unverified
29:52
to pursue that thank you all right majority leader
Representative Howard M. Beaty, Jr.
Unverified
29:58
Beatty you're recognized oh thank you mr. chair um I guess my question is do you conduct exit interviews with all your employees when
Speaker 74
30:06
they leave um DHS does exit surveys with them yes
Representative Howard M. Beaty, Jr.
Unverified
30:09
okay um and I heard you talk about the staff telling you that the training you have currently they're not happy with that's right but I heard you also say we're talking about it Can you provide this committee, because it's going to be asked later in another committee, more definitive information on what you're doing other
Speaker 27
30:33
than talking about it and what steps you're taking? Yes. So we are working with our partnership at
Speaker 17
30:39
the U of A, and we've started some work groups with staff to talk.
We've started work groups to explore what is working well, what's not working well. We're listening, we're putting workers on those work groups, and we started that the beginning of April. And so the work groups are working. We've been exploring curriculum in other states, what they use. So Utah uses some virtual trainings. They use, like, on the ground where they go to certain locations and see what it's like when
Speaker 62
31:08
they're going to be responding. So we have been exploring what's been going on around in other states to enhance our training.
Representative Howard M. Beaty, Jr.
Unverified
31:16
Well, I just think it's important that the staff you have, you have a turnover issue and retention of employees, and if they're telling you they're not happy, then you probably need to tune in and listen to exactly what they're saying and take some steps, and I think this problem would, just the attention and knowing that you're actually listening should help in that area. But I'm going to want to see more definitive information on what you're doing, so word to the wise.
Senator Ben Gilmore
Unverified
31:46
Okay, thank you. All right, Representative Henley, you're recognized.
Representative Dolly Henley
Unverified
31:51
Thank you, Mr. Chair. Do you have a chart or percentages on the increase in juvenile crime, particularly in southwest Arkansas, based on the caseload that's not being worked? I don't. Do you think that would be
Speaker 27
32:09
something good to look into? Probably in partnership with the Division of Youth Services, So my peer, we
Speaker 17
32:17
do work several, we have some cases that cross over and so we could look
Speaker 27
32:24
at that. I'm sorry, I can't see. I can't see you. But yes, I don't have that data.
Senator Ben Gilmore
Unverified
32:35
Okay, thank you. Yeah, I think that would be interesting data to look at the correlation between the two for sure.
I don't know how that would be tracked now if it is, but there's probably a way to look at that. So if you would look at that, that would be
great. Great question, Representative. All right, members, any other questions? I see no one else in the queue.
Director, thank you for being here. Thanks for taking
Senator Ben Gilmore
Unverified
33:04
more report, I think. Oh, you're right. I'm sorry. Completely overlooked the biennial report. Thank
Speaker 27
33:12
you for being on point today. so the um the other document you have is called overturned investigations report
Speaker 16
33:20
it's from december it says submitted december 1st 2024 and this report um came from
act 1025 in 2017 and i'm just gonna walk you just through what this is but this is basically the number of reports we found true on and how what the percentages of those being overturned. Um, so I'll just take Benton County, um, and go through each, but 5,349 reports received by the hotline, 2,124 of them were accepted for investigation. 312 were found true.
That's 14%. Um, 29 investigations were appealed. Um, percentage of true investigations appealed would be 9.3 two of those uh were overturned which was about six percent um 6.9 and then that over percentage of overall investigations overturned in that county was 0.1 um and it's broken down like that for each county
Speaker 62
34:21
in the state and there will actually be another one of these coming for 2025 next month
Senator Ben Gilmore
Unverified
34:29
all right any questions seeing none i was a bit premature earlier when i was thanking you so i think we're done at this point seeing no other questions thank you
Speaker 27
34:44
and i i'm staying up for the next presenter um so i'll just i'm not trying
Senator Ben Gilmore
Unverified
34:48
to run you off just for the record i just was trying to give you a break okay um so with that let's move to item e uh paul chapman with restore
Speaker 65
35:01
hope oh and i'm sorry i forgot one other important thing now i'm interrupting um
Speaker 17
35:05
please next saturday june 7th is project zero's disney extravaganza project zero does host events for waiting kids in foster care to potentially meet their forever family but also it's just a day of building hope in those waiting kids if you're interested in coming and seeing what that is like i would um invite you to be there and if you
Speaker 62
35:25
want to let me know i'll be there as well so would you mind sending something to staff to
Senator Ben Gilmore
Unverified
35:31
disseminate yes yes thank you uh represent bay did
you have a question for that okay yep just one quick question
Representative Howard M. Beaty, Jr.
Unverified
35:45
consistency looking through the the reports clay county um and their their average caseload and and issues there can can you provide some information on clay county and you can do that offline and not at the table but i'd like to know how many case workers and staff that you have in clay county because it it seems that they're consistent throughout all three of these reports as being a a higher area some of these counties change but it looks like clay is consistent so i'd just like to know what's going on in clay county yes sir i can do that all right thank you
Senator Ben Gilmore
Unverified
36:20
representative all right um mr chapman if you would introduce
yourself for the record and then y'all may proceed thank you
Speaker 89
36:28
i'm paul chapman i'm the executive director of a non-profit that was founded here in arkansas about nine years ago it's called restore hope and restore hope is a software and services company that partners with the state agencies and local communities to bring a tool set that allows all the different professional providers in the community to get better outcomes and become more efficient. And in the past 12 months, there are 19 counties
in Arkansas that are using this tool set. And they served, these almost 1,400 professional providers in Arkansas collaborated to serve just over 3,500 Arkansans. And the goal in this service is to get them from crisis to career. So many of the individuals are in multiple areas of crisis. They could be homeless. They could be fleeing domestic violence. They could be involved in courts, whether that be misdemeanor or felony.
They could have child welfare cases, and often do. And the goal is to put the service providers that are already existing in communities on a collaborative team in this software to allow that individual not only to get out of trouble but to make it ultimately to where they're in a situation that would drastically reduce the odds of them falling back or recidivating into any of that trouble that we found them in.
I'd like to tell you a little bit about how this occurred because it was Arkansas grown. We had, I was working for Fellowship Bible Church, making grants and doing direct service. And over that time, we were heavily involved in reentry, after school programs and foster care, in partnership with both the Department of Corrections and with DCFS and other agencies. But we had a kind of a catalytic event, 2012, a man got out of prison,
Arkansan got out of prison again, killed an 18-year-old young boy. that was one of a string of pretty gruesome murders at the time. And so we started some reform, which led to a drastic increase in incarceration. These charts, the one on the left here, came from a report in 2015, I think, by the Council of State Governments submitted to the committee meeting that showed the rise in the projected, if we didn't do something, the projected rise in prison population. What that had, this rise in incarceration, was an impact on the number of children entering foster care, which we really hadn't planned for.
So what that told us at the time was that we have a set of complex issues that if we are unable to start to coordinate our responses, both at a local level and at a state level, then we're not going to see the outcomes that we want. What we ended up doing was going first to Fort Smith, Arkansas, which was hardest hit both in percent of population incarcerated and the number of children in foster care.
One in 34 kids in Sebastian County back in 2017 were in foster care. It was about 28 per thousand. National average is five. It's kind of a story of globalization. A lot of jobs moved out. There was a lot of desperation and a lot of people committing crimes against others and children. And so it was a community really in distress. And so we started to work there with many of the community leaders to put together this collective impact idea.
Is how do we actually put a coalition together that can execute, not just think about what the future could look like? And so in 2018, we were able to acquire a software program that we call Hope Hub that is available to all of you now. There are some dashboards on it if you create an account that you'll have access to that you can see down to your county level. You can see the impact of what's going on for your constituents who are receiving this collaborative care.
And it's drastically increasing outcomes. For instance, if we take a child into foster care with the goal of reunification, that reunification usually does not occur, given the set of complex situations that that parent is in. 43% of the time are we successfully able to reunify the child with the parent that they were taken from when reunification is still. But over the last 12 months, for any parent that chose to work with the 100 families
is what the initiative is called in these communities, any parent that chose to have a team put around them, then it's over a 70% chance of reunification. So we're seeing 25% swings in reunification rates. Most of the families that are receiving this help actually are prevention. So something's going on. They've become homeless. They've got substance abuse issues.
Over half of the clients that we met, over 3,500 clients in the past year, when we met them, had no source of income. Um, about 40% didn't have a GED or high school diploma. And so what, um, what essentially this does, and I'll show you the software program for kind of concrete representation is this is a software program that exists as a part of the model in these 19 counties so far in Arkansas that allows every one of these circles would
be a professional that's in the county that's going to serve on Miss Susie Tess's case and Miss Tess has said yes I consent to you sharing my information with these people which could be behavioral health or the church that runs closed closet down the street it could be the child welfare office it could be the community college that's going to help them get into truck driving school so that they go on and and have a full-time job and earn a living wage and so miss susie has
consented to build this care team of professionals in that community there is an assessment a common assessment no matter who is onboarding the participant there is a common assessment very thorough assessment that's done collecting all manner of of information including there are 13 areas in which there are very strong definitions of the situation that the client is currently in from one to five. That assessment is updated monthly. So what that gives you is the ability
to track. One, it gives you the ability to kind of triage. What are we going to do first? You're unemployed, but you're also homeless and can't pass a drug test. So we're not going to go down the workforce center office now what we're going to do is try to get you sheltered you and your kids sheltered we're going to try to get you into treatment so that you can become sober so that then we can continue on with you into figuring out what type of work is suitable and that you
want to do and then try to navigate the the helps that already exist in every one of our communities right now um so i i wanted to flip through a few of these dashboards and then i'd be more than happy to take uh any questions uh this is a dashboard again if you create account and if you go to hopehub.io you can create an account uh just make it a stakeholder account and you'll have access to all of these dashboards many of which are now live so they're updated every 15 minutes and you can see exactly what's occurring. But this dashboard is from 2024. It shows a summary of
who did what to whom, where, and what happened. 706 of the just over 3,400 Arkansans, or just over 3,300 Arkansans served in that year. 706 of them had completed their journey from crisis to career. That's full-time work and out of crisis. The number of care team members or professionals on average on someone's account was nine. And you can see every one of these bubbles is an
organization in a community. And you can actually drill down to the local community or even the provider level to find out exactly what occurred and how many clients that they were on care team members for and then it shows also in those 13 areas that we that we have one to five scales for that's updated every month then you can actually see in aggregate right now across the state you can see at recovery exactly what happened at intake and as of the last assessment
the snapshot most recent snapshot what's occurring here so left is bad right is good leftist crisis for housing that means that you're homeless a number two here means that you're um you're at great risk you've received an eviction notice you know that you're you're going to be homeless unless something occurs here and then you can see housing stability move here at an individual level for a provider that's on the system you actually have a set of dashboards that
actually show you when someone is in crisis so that it helps you with workflow. We need to address this now. Collaborative action plans are kept inside the system and help the, we call them a family advocate or a navigator. That's a particular role that funds, both grant funds and private funds are going to pay for in each individual community running this model. It helps them
understand what they need to address now and help them connect to the appropriate service provider that exists in their community. There's also dashboards here on foster care and PS cases over time in each community and the number of beds. This helps organizations like Every Child Arkansas who are trying to close this gap between beds available and kids that are in care and need
those beds and then here are some real-time dashboards here that give you information on child welfare it's preservation prevention and reunification data kind of broken down so with that I'll
Speaker 92
47:37
I'll stop and see if there are any questions thank you for the presentation if you
Senator Ben Gilmore
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47:44
If you don't mind, would you formulate this in an email,
send it to staff so that members have it and we can disseminate? That would be helpful. I think it's a great tool.
Senator Johnson, you're recognized for a question.
Senator Mark Johnson
Unverified
48:01
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And Ms. Wright and Mr. Chapman, thank you for this work on this. I did not know, Paul, that you all were as integrated into the agency as you are. Of course, as you know, I'm a big supporter of your program, but I did not see how you were working with Ms. Wright and her staff. That encourages me very much. When I look at the map, though, and you have your areas where you're able to get your 100 families program targeted, and then you have the rest of the state.
And I'm wondering, is this a capacity limitation, or is this a lack of, I'm going to say, partnering opportunities within those? And if so, how can we help you meet whatever challenge? I mean, I look at those counties, and I'm not saying that they don't need help. I'm just saying I see a lot of them around them that aren't colored in, and they obviously are not immune from these problems.
Speaker 89
49:08
Could you elaborate on that? Yes, sir. It is a funding problem. So what needs to exist in every community is to be able to put together what we call an alliance. It's a coalition of those professionals. And so to be able to manage that alliance following this collective impact approach, you need a coordinator. And that coordinator needs to work for the right organization. Like in Hot Springs, it's Ouachita Behavioral Health. The community selected them as the backbone organization.
And so we were able to partner with DHS and get a TANF grant. And then we passed that grant along to Ouachita Behavioral Health. They hire a coordinator and a family advocate. And they start to put that alliance together where they're working out how do we actually work together as if we all were in the same organization. So I'm answering long, but shortly, it's money. It always comes down to money. How do we pay for these people that don't exist currently and have very unique roles?
So it's not like someone who's currently in the business could also do the coordinator role or the family advocate role. And so we seek grants and private funding to be able to pass along to the right agencies in those communities. our strategic goal has been to get first to the 25 most populated counties because 75 percent of Arkansans live there and our approach this collective impact approach is really one of being able to coordinate the help that already exists in those communities and as you can see
on the map there are some communities like Woodruff which is one of the least populated communities. But there was a private funder who grew up there who said, I'm going to pay for it to come to my hometown. But Woodruff has 3,000, 4,000 people in the county. But you can see what they've done. They have 26, currently, as of 15 minutes ago, there are 26 families in Woodruff County that their care is being coordinated by that community, which is just
amazing so I guess the shortest answer is it's money you know how do we get more money to pass along to these communities so that they could hire as many advocates as demand presents and
Speaker 99
51:35
we've got to have a coordinator to keep that alliance
Senator Mark Johnson
Unverified
51:39
together and at this moment I'm presuming that TANF is your primary source of this funding
Speaker 99
51:46
in Arkansas yes sir yeah TANF has been the
Senator Mark Johnson
Unverified
51:49
primary source. And that's good, but it also is limited. And I pledge Mr. Chapman and Ms. Wright to work
with you all on future opportunities here. And Mr. Chairman, I would be amiss if I didn't say that your work on the Department of Correction side of things would be a lot easier if these folks are successful in what they're trying to do, because these things are not isolated problems they're all facets of the same problem so thank you very much for your answers and thank you mr chairman thank you senator on department
Speaker 92
52:22
of corrections about 25 percent of all the clients in the last 12 months um uh
Speaker 101
52:27
had a felony uh about 30 percent had child welfare case and sometimes
that was overlap they had child welfare case and they had a felony so you're right it's not we we think about these things in silos or situations but um but the people come to us and
Senator Ben Gilmore
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52:44
hold people. Yeah, and that sort of speaks to Representative Henley's question from earlier, but I appreciate that. Thank you, Senator. Let's go back to Representative Bentley. You're recognized. Thank you, Chairman. Thank
Representative Mary Bentley
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52:54
you. You're right here in the
center. So look at your map. Can
you give us the definitions of what the differences are between prelaunch
discovery in a targeted community there?
Speaker 89
53:05
Yes. And so there is a discovery as we're talking with the community, trying to help that community decide who the backbone organization would be if we can figure out how to pay for the coordinator and a case manager. And so it's these communities here in the gray are part of those 25 most populated counties where 75% of Arkansans live. The
pre-launch is that that organization has been found and they're starting, we have a hundred and some odd page playbook on how to put the alliance together and they have to hit certain gates before they can fully launch and so there is activity like in Woodruff County right now is in pre-launch and they're serving 26 clients one of the hurdles that they have to pass before they can fully launch is they have they are serving 20 clients actively because that allows you to
figure out exactly who the organizations are and what they need to be able to work together in this new way. So let's say that Ms. Wright worked for the behavioral health organization and I was going to refer a client to her that needed both substance abuse and mental health treatment, but she would only accept a couple of insurances. And so now we have to work out exactly what would we do if she didn't accept an insurance that that the participant currently had
and so uh that that's what you're doing in pre-launch is you're kind of shaking down exactly how that collaboration needs to
Speaker 104
54:40
work uh contextualized to that particular community so follow up chairman if that's
Representative Mary Bentley
Unverified
54:46
okay uh so are the um advocates are they as
a similar background to each one are there maybe different in the counties that you're working with right now is the particular person we're looking for, they all being funded the same way? Is there differences in the counties that are actively operating right now?
Speaker 89
55:04
That's a great question. So the background of the advocate, you're looking for someone who can personally relate to someone who may be having the worst day of their life. But they've got kind of that social worker instinct, whether they've been formally trained or not as a social worker. And so we end up having bachelors in social work, we have individuals who have worked in other social service agencies, and we have folks who once were participants
and have a year or two of sobriety and stability. Those individuals who have that lived experience, they're actually very, very good at meeting a client where they are. For instance, if a client doesn't have transportation and they're currently living in a hotel they'll actually drive to a fast food restaurant close to the hotel have their meeting there and not think they'll go above and beyond um in fact while they're
in this happened just last week while they're uh there they're meeting with a client the client says i don't i really need a job i don't have a job they're like well i bought you a taco and we're going to go up there and talk to the manager about getting you a job and they submit the application right while we're right there let's take care of that right now and so that that's something that
Speaker 92
56:32
individuals with lived experience that um i'd say that they're going really above and beyond for the individual clients who were once who are currently where they once were
Representative Mary Bentley
Unverified
56:39
so if we're looking at these and when they enter all that information into this dashboard and they have is that transferable to dhs so they can get what are they going to again enter all that
information if they need SNAP or whatever or workforce or any of those things is that transferable at this
Speaker 89
56:56
point for them to be able to get the assistance they need it is we uh we share a lot of uh information in fact the Hope Hub system is hooked up to the DHS system for eligibility determination on things like it's very difficult um on some some monies like TANF is very difficult
to to prove you've got to prove that the individual is eligible and so what that makes it very difficult for is if, um, if, if we're paying for an Arkansas, we're paying for an organization, we give them a grant for TANF to provide services to TANF eligible individuals. The individual that comes to you is maybe this mother fleeing domestic violence, living in her car. She didn't think to grab her file folder, um, when she left the house, but she comes to you for help because she's desperate. And, um, and we send her on kind of the scavenger hunt to find her birth certificates
for kids and and all the documentations you need to know that you are who you say you are and that you're eligible for the funds because we're that we're going to use what we've been able to do now for several years through our partnership with DHS is is we can we can determine that eligibility
Speaker 101
58:03
within one week for 90 percent of everyone on board and into hope hub and that's available
Speaker 89
58:10
to all our arkansans and so if you do have a tanf grant you're a service provider with
tanf grant you can use this system and it immediately will reduce um at saving a lot of that tanf dollar you know if you're burning up 20 25 cents of the of the dollar in kind of administrative tasks now that that reduces that greatly so yes we've even gone so far as to y'all We're making changes, I think, in the CRIS system so that we're syncing more and more data up. And then on this dashboard, we've even gone to, let's see if I can find it here.
Here it is right here. So we know that outcomes are better for families if they can get this team of, on average, nine different providers around them. So outcomes will go from 43% to, you know, over 70% reunification rates. And so now what we're doing in partnership with with DCFS is county by county. And this took this took a lot of work on the back end to be able to true up the the clients here. But now we're we have some tools in place that we can push down to the county level to see what percentage of removals actually have a 100 families team around them, knowing that that improves outcomes for everyone.
It's more efficient for the individual organizations, and it's better for the person. And so now we're working logistically. How do we get in front of, ultimately, it would be, how do we get in front of 100% of the families? Now, they can say, no, I don't want your help, and that's fine. But that's what we're working to now is using data to be
Speaker 101
59:56
able to help operationalize these improved efficiencies and better outcomes. Well, thank you. I know I
Representative Mary Bentley
Unverified
1:00:01
have heard nothing but positive about all that you're doing,
so we'll see what we can do to
Chair
Unverified
1:00:10
improve it across the whole state. So thank you. Thank
Representative Matt Duffield
Unverified
1:00:15
you, Representative Duffield. You're recognized. Thank you, Mr. Chair. What metrics are used to assess the success of the
Speaker 89
1:00:24
100 Families Initiative, and how are these metrics tracked and reported? These dashboards, that's a great question. these dashboards are available and and and for those that don't have an account you could go to our website and we will every month we we send out a an email with the statistics in them along
with stories here the statistics so here's the email from the last month that we put out said total active parents currently at the time that we sent the email was 1,726. We're in this collaborative care across Arkansas. A number of kids in those families, a number of parents in the month, new clients this month, parents served in the past year. And then ultimately, what our goal is, is how do we actually get someone not only just out of crisis?
Success is not closing the case. That's part of it. Success is how do we actually get the person to a situation, assuming that they want that, that they don't need the assistance any longer, that they're self-sufficient. That's ultimately the goal. And we have all kinds of markers along the way and report that through these dashboards. Here's where the individual was at intake. Here's where they are currently. Is that better or worse? And if it's worse, you know, how do we shore up for that?
Like transportation is a problem in most of our counties. And so we take action within that alliance to be able to address those issues. You're recognized for a follow-up. Thank
Representative Matt Duffield
Unverified
1:02:08
you, Mr. Chair. So what measurable outcomes do
you guys have? Is it on the side as far as reduced foster care rates or reduced incurrations? I mean, is that on the side or incarceration rates?
Have they dropped? Do you guys have this data on
Speaker 89
1:02:29
the side or available for us to see? We've got all the dashboards on the site. We don't have any recidivism data. We haven't done a recidivism study yet for participants, but all the foster care data is there as well as the prevention data. And we've just recently been selected, DCFS and Restore Hope, by the Lab for Economic Opportunity at Notre Dame for a particular study on what's the return on investment in these situations.
So that was really an honor to be selected by them at really no cost. And so we're in that process now of working through with their economics department on
Speaker 101
1:03:13
getting that study done. We estimate that to probably be about a $400,000 study that they're giving to us in the state of Arkansas. Representative, if you're recognized
Senator Ben Gilmore
Unverified
1:03:26
for a follow-up, you can keep your mic on if
Representative Matt Duffield
Unverified
1:03:31
you'd like. I guess one more. could you just give the committee an example of just right some hard data where 100 families has
made a difference a tangible difference can you tell us in the committee you could just pick a county in arkansas whatever it is but show us where you guys have made a real real impact and a real result
um in reducing the the kids in that need the foster care or something of that nature Yes, sir. Sebastian County,
Speaker 89
1:04:05
where we first started, actually this model was created in Foster County by leaders in, I'm sorry, Sebastian County, by the leaders of Sebastian County.
And there were 800 children in foster care at the time that this model started. And there were, last time I looked last week, there were 359 children in foster care in Sebastian County. So we went from 28 per thousand to 12 per thousand. The crime is down in Sebastian County, adult crime, has been down five or six years in a row. And incarceration in their local
Speaker 101
1:04:38
jail for local participants was down by about 20 percent. I'm
Speaker 89
1:04:44
sorry, that was 30 percent incarceration, 20 percent, and crime there.
I think if you would talk to any of the leaders, law enforcement and the judges, What this approach has allowed them to do is it's provided an environment in which, instead of being fearful of bad data or feeling overwhelmed that you don't have the tools to address some of these complex problems, but maybe being held responsible for the results of them, as many of our law enforcement officers do feel,
Instead, they feel like they have a community that if we can bring them good data, that they will work on it together. And that's exactly what occurred when we first went. In fact, Director Wright and I were on the first trip with Department of Corrections. We took a Department of Corrections van on a trip to Fort Smith, Arkansas back in 2016 to start launching this process back then. And that community was so embattled by all their various issues that everyone was stressed out and many, you couldn't keep staff.
And largely the leaders had lost hope that effort was going to result in any difference because they had been in it for so long. And now if you go and talk to, in their own words, they will tell you it's night and day difference. is they don't like it when they're looking at increased juvenile crime, which has occurred in Sebastian County and many other places. But their first reaction then, a year and a half ago, was for the police chief to call the community meeting and to detail to that community exactly what the statistics were,
believing that that community was going to rally to come up with some new solutions. That's exactly what they're doing, is they've launched a new program in partnership with law enforcement called Shield Our Youth. So I don't know, there's kind of the science part of it with the data, 50% less, over 50% less foster care in Spash County. You have dropping foster care rates in other counties that are in year two of implementing this model, and then you've got the leaders, the judges, and the law enforcement,
and the other community providers who will tell you that
Speaker 101
1:07:09
it's a new way of dealing with very complex, hard situations. All right, Representative
Senator Ben Gilmore
Unverified
1:07:19
Eaton, you're working with us. Thank you, Mr. Chair. As
Representative James Eaton
Unverified
1:07:25
you're talking about this, and you've touched on it some, can you tell us what role and specifically how do you recruit them, your local nonprofits, Your educational institutions and your government, how do you recruit them and what role do they play?
Speaker 89
1:07:40
All right, that's a great question. They're absolutely essential. And so if we were to go into a new community, we start talking to standard community providers. We'll talk with DCFS. We'll talk to probation parole. We'll look for are there any current coalitions that are meeting to deal with parts of these problems. And Perigold, the backbone organization, is a substance abuse coalition that had been meeting for years. And they were the right backbone for Greene County.
And so we just start looking for the organization. And then we start asking that community, the organizations that will have a juvenile judge or a law enforcement officer, invite people into these community meetings, and we'll start talking about this collective impact approach or the 100 families approach. And then we ultimately, we want that community to select the backbone organization. We want them
Speaker 101
1:08:37
to say, you know what, yes, it's going to be Harding University in White County.
And they will host you. And then there's these,
Speaker 16
1:08:48
the alliance meetings are happening every month. And so you keep inviting new people from the community to join
Speaker 120
1:08:54
the alliance meetings. And then as time goes on, more and more people want to be involved with what's happening and plugging in. And so the Alliance meetings are kind of used as a time to collaborate and communicate about what's going on, but also get education, right? So you might invite somebody from the community who says, I have this resource, but I don't know how to plug in.
And so it's like, oh, we'll come and talk to a whole bunch of people who would love to use your resource that you might have. And then you start plugging in. And eventually the Alliance keeps growing and the members in the community want to plug in. So you'll have your core, but then you have all the additional people who want to volunteer or do the other work alongside this initiative. Okay. Thank
Senator Ben Gilmore
Unverified
1:09:42
you for that. Seeing no other questions. Director, you're welcome to stay at the table, but I'll let you leave this time.
Speaker 48
1:09:48
Okay. Paul didn't tell you all, but there's a road show coming on in August
Speaker 120
1:09:53
where you can actually see this work in motion. And so if you, I mean, it's yours, but if you want to tell everyone how, we can email out an invite to everyone if that's okay, if you want to join in to see this work in motion. Please send that
Senator Ben Gilmore
Unverified
1:10:11
information to us. Thank you, Shatman. Thank you for being here. Thanks for your work. I look forward to the follow-up emails about all of this.
Thank you. Okay, let's move on to
item F. and we're going to hear the annual report of 2024. Ms. Rogers, if you would, please introduce yourself
when you get seated, and you may proceed. If you would, there we go. There
Speaker 124
1:10:48
we go. Good morning, Chair and members.
My name is Kalika Rogers. I am the Investigations Administrator for the State Police Crimes Against Children Division. And today we're going to be going over the 2024 annual report. On page two, it will show the comparisons for the previous five years, 2020 through 2024. The Child Abuse Hotline received 64,956 contacts in 2024, which is a decrease of 2,684 calls from the previous year.
there were a total of 34,402 contacts accepted for investigation for CACD and for DCFS, which was a decrease of 1,352 reports. On page four, it compares 2023 and 2024, the breakdown by month, for contacts received, accepted, and those that were sent in by fax.
or on our MRP. Page five has an additional breakdown of those contact numbers. On page six, it will break down the documented and the miscellaneous categories for those types on page five. On page seven is the hotline referral statistics by the priority level. And then on page 8, it covers the Priority 1 and the Priority 2 allegations by month
and the allegation type with the totals for each category that is listed. Page 10 reflects the quarterly breakdown for CACD investigations. Our investigations unit was assigned 6,179 investigations. We closed 5,974, with 1,755 of those being found true, which gave us a 29% substantiation rate for the year.
Senator Ben Gilmore
Unverified
1:13:04
That's the end of our report. Do you have any questions? Thank you for the report. So on, I guess that would be page 2 of that report, where it shows the 2020 through 2024 breakdown there. So I see where there's a significant increase from 2020 to 21. Any thoughts as to why we saw that jump? I understand. I see that's COVID years, so I don't know if that was part of the COVID everything.
Speaker 124
1:13:37
I do not know. I know over the past several years since COVID, we have tried to get mandated reporter education out for people to report. So that could be a reason for the increase. I'm not sure for the specific number, though. And then, of
Senator Ben Gilmore
Unverified
1:13:54
course, in 23 to 24, there was a decrease. Any ideas? That also I do
not know. Okay. Members, any other questions? Seeing none.
Thank you. Thank you. So, members, the last item is item G, consideration of special expenses i will entertain
a motion to authorize the chairs to approve special expenses incurred by the committee so with that do i have a motion i have a motion i have a second uh any discussion on that seeing none all in favor say aye any opposed thank you eyes have it okay members see no other business we are adjourned thank you
Unknown speaker
1:14:44
Thank you so much for your time and being here.
Agenda
A. Call to Order
B. Consideration to Approve Meeting Minutes [Exhibits B1-B4]
C. Department of Human Services (DHS) – Division of Children and Family Services (DCFS) Rules Pertaining to Safety and Risk Management and Technical Revisions [Exhibit C]
D. Department of Human Services, Division of Children and Family Services (DCFS) – Tiffany Wright, Director, DCFS [Exhibits D1-D4]
E. Presentation of Restore Hope: 100 Families – Paul Chapman, Director, Restore Hope [Exhibit E]
F. Arkansas State Police, Crimes Against Children Division (CACD) – Kalika Rogers, Investigations Administrator, CACD [Exhibits F1-F3]
G. Consideration of a Motion to Authorize Chairs to Approve Special Expenses Incurred by the Committee
H. Other Business
I. Adjournment
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