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Agriculture, Forestry & Economic Development- House

February 1, 2021 ·2:00 PM or Upon Adjournment Whichever is Later ·Room 151 (Public Comment Holding Room: 149) ·26:06
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HB1210 Act 361 · 6 mentions in agenda, chapter, transcript
Matched: “…REMENTS FOR COLLECTION OF ASSESSMENTS BY COUNTY COLLECTORS. HB1210 Hillman TO AMEND THE MEMBERSHIP OF THE STATE PLANT BOARD; A…”
TO AMEND THE MAKEUP OF THE STATE PLANT BOARD; AND TO REQUIRE GOVERNOR APPOINTMENT AND … Hillman Notification that HB1210 is now Act 361
HB1248 Act 265 · 2 mentions in chapter, agenda
Matched: “HB1248 Bentley TO AMEND THE LAW CONCERNING CONSOLIDATION OF CERTAI…”
TO AMEND THE LAW CONCERNING CONSOLIDATION OF CERTAIN LEVEE DISTRICTS AND BOARDS. Bentley Notification that HB1248 is now Act 265
HB1249 Act 266 · 2 mentions in chapter, agenda
Matched: “HB1249 Bentley TO CREATE A PROCEDURE FOR THE DISSOLUTION OR ABOLIT…”
TO CREATE A PROCEDURE FOR THE DISSOLUTION OR ABOLITION OF A LEVEE DISTRICT. Bentley Notification that HB1249 is now Act 266
HB1250 Act 267 · 2 mentions in agenda, chapter
Matched: “…EDURE FOR THE DISSOLUTION OR ABOLITION OF A LEVEE DISTRICT. HB1250 Bentley TO AMEND THE LAW CONCERNING ASSESSMENTS IN CERTAIN…”
TO AMEND THE LAW CONCERNING ASSESSMENTS IN CERTAIN LEVEE OR DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENT DISTRICTS. Bentley Notification that HB1250 is now Act 267
HB1251 Act 359 · 2 mentions in agenda, chapter
Matched: “…SSMENTS IN CERTAIN LEVEE OR DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENT DISTRICTS. HB1251 Bentley TO AMEND THE LAW CONCERNING IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT AN…”
TO AMEND THE LAW CONCERNING IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT AND PROTECTION DISTRICT REPORTING REQUIREMENTS FOR COLLECTION OF … Bentley Notification that HB1251 is now Act 359
HB2012 · 1 mention in transcript
Matched: “…ress the legal challenges currently facing the plant board. HB 2012 addresses the issues by having the governor appoint, which…”
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Representative DeAnn Vaught Chair Unverified 0:00
here so we'll pass over hers and representative hillman are you ready you are recognized thank you madam
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Representative David Hillman Unverified 0:26
chair today i bring before you house bill 1210 it has to do with the state plant board and how they're appointed and who serves the little bit of background on it is the state plant boards 104 years old they have I think it's nine representatives that are elected by different organizations throughout the state that have an interest in in the things the plant board might do there has been a lawsuit that has been filed in this currently before the state supreme court that says that is not legal so the supreme court has not ruled but in case they do rule against the state on it I think this bill fixes that process and and what it does you've had it before you there to look at it gives the governor the authority to appoint people to the state plant board these organizations that have normally been electing people that board shall submit two names to the governor and from those two he will appoint his choice of those two that's It's not dissimilar to other boards and committees that we have in the state. And I think this will fix the problem if it turns out that we need to have a fix for it. There's been a lot of discussion about the plant board and the makeup of the plant board lately. But that is not contained in this bill. It doesn't change anything about who serves on the plant board or why. and I'll be glad to take any questions. Representative Lynch, you're
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Representative DeAnn Vaught Chair Unverified 2:04
recognized for a question. Are there any questions?
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Speaker 9 2:11
Representative Aves, you're recognized. Thank you, Madam Chair. I
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Speaker 11 2:19
would like to get your take on how this would either keep us out of or put us back into a lawsuit based on
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Speaker 5 2:26
the one we're currently fighting, I guess, now
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Representative David Hillman Unverified 2:29
at the Supreme Court. Well, to answer the take on it, anybody can sue anytime they want to. If they don't like the way it's done, they have the authority and the ability to sue. But as far as fixing the problem that's over at the Supreme Court right now, the Attorney General's office has said that they can defend this one as constitutional. The bill that you proposed? Yes. Okay. All
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Speaker 13 2:50
right, thank you. are there any other questions is
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Representative DeAnn Vaught Chair Unverified 2:59
there anybody in the audience signed up to speak for against the bill it looks like mr perry galloway is against the bill you're recognized to come to the end of the table make sure that you state your name for the record please
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Speaker 16 3:13
thank you and i've got a handout if that's possible We'll give
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Representative DeAnn Vaught Chair Unverified 3:23
it to the staff. They'll hand it out. Thank you.
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Unknown speaker 3:45
Thank you.
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Representative DeAnn Vaught Chair Unverified 4:15
you're recognized state your name and who you're
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Speaker 24 4:23
with thank you again for having me and uh my name is perry galloway i'm a farmer from woodruff county excuse me i'll take this mask off that's okay i appreciate the opportunity to speak today unfortunately i found out about this about 7 a.m this morning i was out of state so uh my comments today are going to be very similar to last week's any of y'all who heard this let the senate on the senate bill so again i'm perry galloway sixth generation farmer from woodruff county ten thousand acres of corn rice soybeans wheat and also a former cotton grower i'm an aerial applicator and a business owner a seed grower a seed dealer and ag retail business owner a livestock owner who has spent a lot on forage already this year a pesticide applicator a certified crop consultant a substantial user of plant food fuel and oil my great grandfather jd elders were one of the original four plant board members representing the cotton growers 104 years ago my two-time woodruff i'm a two-time woodruff county farm bureau president and a member of the ag council and i can also play a little little piano. So a quick overview that most of you likely know by now. No other state in our nation has anything resembling the state plant board, the Arkansas State Plant Board. Not one anywhere. Times have changed since this board was created 104 years ago. It's time Arkansas changes as well. And while I supported Senator Wallace's bill, let it be noted that it didn't go far enough. And with all due respect, Mr. Hillman, I feel like your bill, House Bill 1210, is a wet band-aid for an already infected wound. I believe the Arkansas State Plant Board should be transitioned into an advisory-only entity. Let the people who have PhDs and experience as well as no personal or professional bias or conflicts of interest regulate our plant industries. I pass out a visual of the state plant board table right now. So if you would please take a look, because once you see how ridiculous the current makeup is, you can't unsee it. The first thing you may notice is the Arkansas soybean growers seat, or lack thereof. Arkansas raises 2.6 to 3.1 million acres of soybeans, or about two billion dollars in revenue. Nationally Arkansas Arkansas is eighth in soybean production, yet no voice on the Arkansas State Plant Board. Arkansas feed grains, including corn, wheat, and grain sorghum, are also lacking a seat at the table, even though we currently produce as much or more corn per acre than all the Midwest states, resulting in over $900 million in income. So back to the handout. On the upper left corner of the table is two seats, the Arkansas Horticultural Society and the Arkansas green industry. These seats are redundant at best as a green industry, in its online mission statement states they represent the horticulture industry of Arkansas. The Arkansas Horticulture Society has no website and based on an excerpt from the story about them it's clear they should not have a seat on the plant board. I'm quoting from the article here, due to a decline in membership and financial difficulties in maintaining its services to members, the Arkansas State Horticultural Society voted in 1998 to discontinue its own annual meetings and merge with Oklahoma horticulture groups under the umbrella of the Horticulture Industry Show. These joint meetings broaden the horticulture base of interest and incorporate sessions on sustainable and organic production of all horticulture groups. The Arkansas State Horticulture Society still maintains its identity, but its activity is minimal. Based on that statement alone, it seems ludicrous this society has a separate seat on the State Plant Board. The Green Industry, formerly the Arkansas Nourishment, in their mission statement describes itself as a professional trade organization dedicated to serving the green industry in the state of Arkansas and to the advancement of horticulture. And I did a little research. The revenue from the horticulture industry in Arkansas is around $45 million. So essentially they have two seats with $45 million worth of revenue, and soybeans has $2 billion, and the feed grains has $900 million, just shy of $1 billion. horticulture society should be immediately removed from any future state plant board composition and maybe add a seat that represents one or more of the largest commodities in the state. I realize the state plant board has been around 120 years which is why some of the seats are antiquated and no longer relevant to the regulatory capacity they once were. For example, as stated earlier, my great-grandfather was an original plant board member back when they monitor the spread of gypsy moths. I'm not even sure what a gypsy moth is, but I guess it needed monitoring. And per Senator Sample's gypsy moth comments, there's still a problem. So I would hope that the forestry division of the Arkansas Department of Ag could address them and not the plant board. Which, let me note, the two of the plant board seats currently have their own division within the Department of Ag, livestock and forestry, and they also have a seat on the State Plant Board. Is it right that these separate divisions, division representatives should come over and further regulate my industry? Does that make sense? I think not. All that said, let me show an example of the lack of fairness and transparency involved with one seed at the Arkansas State Plant Board. Here's my personal example as a broken system. I grow a substantial amount of seed each year, so I decided to join the Arkansas Seager Association so I could have a voice when that seat on the Arkansas State Plant Board is speaking for me and my peers. I sent my application and my membership months ago. After the Senate hearing last week, it was brought to my attention that I had been included, finally been accepted as a member, which is a start. Unfortunately, my voice will still not be heard. As the annual meeting was canceled due to COVID-19, which is also interesting considering every other entity i know has been able to host a virtual meeting which brings me to another point the arkansas sea growers association has no website and i've been able i have just as of an hour ago received a membership list i guess they had a big boom in membership because their membership uh tripled or quadrupled since i sent an application back last year so maybe maybe now Now that I'm a member, they'll be more transparent with this type of basic information. As it stands, this association is a biased unknown ghost with no public paper trail or certainly no public or more importantly industry accountability. A ghost that has a seat on the plant board, the official regulator of the largest industry in the state, a seat that's the chairman's seat, and me along with others had a hard time even becoming members to ensure we have a voice as to who represents our industry
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Speaker 28 11:50
and what the voice is. Coincidentally, on my trip to Little Rock, I received this letter
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Speaker 24 12:01
welcoming new members. I guess I wasn't the only one willing to join since their membership had tripled or quadrupled, including Dan Scheiman, the head of the Arkansas Audubon Society. Curious on what kind of seed he raises. Maybe bird seed. Does it seem right that a biased, inaccessible association like this gets to regulate how I operate? Over the last four years, I've watched a person who has shown unending bias almost to the point of my personal vendetta, of a personal vendetta, have an unchallenged opportunity to represent my industry. It's not right. It's why allowing, and here's my point, it's why allowing private industry organizations is unconstitutional. I, a member of the public, have no way to hold this person accountable. I didn't vote for them, I can't vote against them, and yet it's to be seen whether I'll ever get to have input in any way. There's a reason no other states operate like this, and it's time to put a stop at this. The Arkansas Agriculture needs a regulatory agency free of industry biases that are accountable for its actions. It's about aligning with the rest of the country and objectively and scientifically doing what's right for the Arkansas farmer. Let's look at what the other states are doing and finally catch up to the pack instead of standing alone, lost, and at the back. Arkansas farmers have enough challenges, and having a good old boy club regulatory entity shouldn't be one of them.
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Representative DeAnn Vaught Chair Unverified 13:28
Thank you, and I'll entertain any questions. Does anyone have any questions? Representative Eves,
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Chair Unverified 13:35
you're recognized for a question. Thank you, Madam Chair. Mr. Galloway can you go back where are you
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Speaker 24 13:44
saying row crop farmers are not don't get a seat on the plant board no they're there are two farmer positions uh in the upper right corner there's two farm positions as well as those are called uh well two farmers have a seat and then the rice industry has a seat as well as the cotton industry so there's actually four seats dedicated to uh production act. The majority of the other ones are made up by these industries or associations. Well, so I'm seeing the rice industry has, I
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Speaker 32 14:14
mean, that's always going to be someone from the rice industry no matter what, right? Yes, you would assume someone involved
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Speaker 24 14:20
heavily in the rice industry. But there's no position
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Speaker 32 14:23
like that for soybean farmers? Not for soybeans,
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Speaker 24 14:26
not for, as I said, feed grains, which includes corn and wheat and grain soil. So you just
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Speaker 32 14:32
have to get, You have to hope or
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Speaker 11 14:35
get lucky that one of these farmer positions is someone who is a soybean producer if you want representation from the soybean industry.
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Speaker 16 14:42
Yeah, that would be certainly a possibility,
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Speaker 24 14:44
but it's not spelled out. It doesn't have to be specifically a soybean farmer. So
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Chair Unverified 14:50
do you know if the Secretary of Ag has any ability to either review or approve any of the
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Speaker 24 14:59
rules by the plant board? There's a process. The plant board makes a rule and then it goes to the governor and then gets legislative approval and the secretary of state files it and that's when it officially becomes a rule. But one issue with the plant board and its organization is they make the rules, they judge, they're the jury, and they're the collector or the
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Speaker 23 15:24
executioner. So they're not only making the rules, they're the judge, jury, and executioner, unheard of. All right, thank
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Representative DeAnn Vaught Chair Unverified 15:33
you, Mr. Galloway. Thank you. Representative
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Chair Unverified 15:38
Lynch, you're recognized for a question. Most of the farmers that
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Representative Roger D. Lynch Unverified 15:42
I know, row crop farmers, raise multiple crops. So I would assume that any farmer, especially out of the prairie area, usually raise soybeans, rice, and corn and rotate their crops as a soil management practice. Is that not true?
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Speaker 24 16:02
Yes, sir. I think that could be assumed in a lot of cases. But for farmer seats versus the balance is not fair to production ag.
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Representative DeAnn Vaught Chair Unverified 16:17
Are you through, Representative Lynch? No, yes. Are there any other questions? Representative Annett,
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Representative Denise Jones Ennett Unverified 16:29
you're recognized. Hello. Thank you, Chair. I have a quick question. You mentioned other states. They're not doing this. Which states or which state do you have in mind that's doing it good or well? I don't
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Speaker 24 16:43
remember the number, but certainly none of the surrounding states. There is no plant board system or similar system in the whole United States. The most common form of agricultural rules regulation, government, goes to the Secretary of Ag. They do have advisory boards in some cases, and they can make decisions based on these advisory boards. And then I don't know what the rest of the process would be. I guess go to their state legislature and governor for approval, ultimate approval.
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Representative DeAnn Vaught Chair Unverified 17:21
Does that answer your question? Are there any other questions? Seeing none, thank you, sir, for your testimony. Thank you so much. For the bill would be Matt King. If you'll come to the end of the table, state your name for the record
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Matt King Unverified 17:44
and who you're with. That would be. Good afternoon. My name is Matt King. I'm the Director of Public Affairs at Government Relations at Arkansas Farm Bureau. Madam Chairwoman and committee, thank you for the opportunity to speak today. Arkansas Farm Bureau supports Representative Hillman's bill, HB 1210. After a lengthy debate by our delegates last year, Arkansas Farm Bureau members adopted the following policy. We support the current structure of the plant board with associations nominating members and being appointed by the governor. HB 1210 does just that. This policy was adopted because our members are concerned about the pending Supreme Court case. In 2019, Judge Piazza ruled the nine seats on the plant board where associations appoint directly to the board was unconstitutional because there was no government oversight for these positions. The plant board is the only regulatory board in the state where the associations elect a member to serve on the board and the code does not require the approval of a governing body. Our members feel the legislature should fix this issue instead of requiring the Supreme Court to rule. This bill will fix the challenge currently before the Supreme Court by requiring associations who currently appoint members to the board to now submit two nominees to the governor who will then appoint one of their nominees to the plant board. The changes in this bill address the government oversight issue currently in question at the Supreme Court. You have heard several concerns regarding the current makeup of the board and questions of why some of these members are on the board. That is not the purpose of this bill. Instead, this bill is meant to address the legal challenges currently facing the plant board. HB 2012 addresses the issues by having the governor appoint, which means the Arkansas Supreme Court should not have to rule on associations. Our fear is that a ruling from the Supreme Court could be interpreted to have a far greater reach and impact numerous boards across the state. Again, Arkansas Farm Bureau supports the passage of House Bill 1210 and would be happy to answer any questions
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Representative DeAnn Vaught Chair Unverified 19:45
you might have. Representative Eubanks, you're recognized for
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Representative Jon S. Eubanks Unverified 19:49
a question. Thank you, Madam Chair. So basically you're saying this bill is just to deal with the court challenge, but it doesn't necessarily address the makeup of the board or whether this is the appropriate makeup of the board. Is that correct?
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Speaker 49 20:06
That is correct. The reason why this board is here is because there's a legal challenge for the plant board at the Supreme Court, and this bill would fix that challenge.
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Representative Jon S. Eubanks Unverified 20:18
A follow-up? You're recognized. So what do you think about the makeup of
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Matt King Unverified 20:23
the board? Our Farm Bureau policy supports additional farmer representation on this board. So you would support a bill that
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Representative Jon S. Eubanks Unverified 20:30
would possibly change the makeup of this board? Depending on what that bill looks like.
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Speaker 49 20:37
That would be something we would take to our leadership and look at. Given the current struggles that we see right now with
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Matt King Unverified 20:45
the plant board and the makeup and things like that, there's a lot of concern, like Perry was talking about there with the Seagrowers Association and other groups coming involved. We don't want to see the plant board being changed and structure of this being changed right now because there's a lot of fear that you could have outside groups come in and have influence on this board.
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Chair Unverified 21:09
Thank you, Madam Chair. Representative Reeves, did you have
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Speaker 11 21:17
a question? Yeah, just real quick. So how did you come up with, or maybe I should ask Representative Hillman, but how did you all come up with these
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Matt King Unverified 21:27
industries nominating two people instead of three or four or ten? The structure of this is based on how the promotion boards are done right now. And in discussion or in comments back at the December 19 meeting of the plant board When the Attorney General's office came and briefed the board on this, the Attorney General, the person who's handling the case there, said that a simple comma is appointed by the governor. It's what's needed to provide that oversight, provide governmental oversight of this. And I'm
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Speaker 49 21:51
not going to speak for Representative Hillman, but that is the basis of the... So the
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Speaker 57 21:57
argument that could be made is that in the past, associations were appointing one person. Now they're appointing two, and the governor just gets
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Chair Unverified 22:05
to pick. They're not appointing two. They're just nominating
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Matt King Unverified 22:07
two. And with the promotion boards, the way it works, if you appoint two members and the governor doesn't like either one of them, he can send those back to you and say, I need two more names.
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Speaker 49 22:19
And this works the same way? This would work
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Representative DeAnn Vaught Chair Unverified 22:29
the same way. Thank you. Are there any other questions? Seeing no other questions, thank you for your testimony. Does anybody have any questions for Representative Hillman? Would you like to
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Representative David Hillman Unverified 22:56
close for your bill, Representative? Representative, thank you for noticing I have trouble getting up. I'm older today than I've ever been before, and sometimes it shows and sometimes it's pretty good. uh like i said in my opening statement madam chairman the uh this bill does not address the makeup of the plant board that's a different discussion for a different time what this does it addresses the problem that we have uh and i would appreciate y'all passing this out and remember that sometimes wet band-aids do stick
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Representative DeAnn Vaught Chair Unverified 23:32
representative lynch are recognized for your motion what's the will of the committee all in favor say aye oh wait hold on discussion on it yes sorry Les it's okay I tried to
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Chair Unverified 23:50
catch you a little bit quicker I understand where we're going
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Speaker 11 23:53
with this bill but I agree with I suppose where representative Eubanks was headed in that I mean I'm not a farmer for full transparency but I don't believe that the plant board gives proper representation to row crop farmers, and I think that's something we need to look at. I also think that the Secretary of Ag ought to have some ability to review or approve, deny, or at least have some further oversight on the plant board, because I just think that's important. If he's going to be Secretary of Ag, that seems like something he would be able to deal with. The third thing I would say is, and while I understand what we're doing with this bill, I still think there could be some legal challenges by the industries appointing, or excuse me, nominating two people and the governor picks one. It seems like a pretty small pool. And I certainly appreciate Farm Bureau's stance on this and where they're coming from, because I think we do have a lot of problems that
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Chair Unverified 24:49
we're going to need to fix. So with that, you
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Representative DeAnn Vaught Chair Unverified 24:52
know, I just wanted to get that out there.
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Chair Unverified 24:57
Thank you. Representative Fortner, you're recognized. Thank you, Madam Chair. I just want to, I understand why this bill is here, but I have to agree with Representative Eubanks and Representative Eaves. The makeup of this as it sits right now just does not represent what you would think this board would represent. And I think we need to look at, we need to
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Representative DeAnn Vaught Chair Unverified 25:24
look at that further. Thank you. Is there any other discussion? The motion is due pass. All in favor say aye. Those opposed by no. It looks like your bill has passed. We'll meet again Wednesday. Our next meeting will be Wednesday at 2 o'clock and we are adjourned.
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Agenda

REGULAR AGENDA Number Sponsor Subtitle

HB1248 Bentley TO AMEND THE LAW CONCERNING CONSOLIDATION OF CERTAIN LEVEE DISTRICTS AND BOARDS.

HB1249 Bentley TO CREATE A PROCEDURE FOR THE DISSOLUTION OR ABOLITION OF A LEVEE DISTRICT.

HB1250 Bentley TO AMEND THE LAW CONCERNING ASSESSMENTS IN CERTAIN LEVEE OR DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENT DISTRICTS.

HB1251 Bentley TO AMEND THE LAW CONCERNING IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT AND PROTECTION DISTRICT REPORTING REQUIREMENTS FOR COLLECTION OF ASSESSMENTS BY COUNTY COLLECTORS.

HB1210 Hillman TO AMEND THE MEMBERSHIP OF THE STATE PLANT BOARD; AND TO REQUIRE ORGANIZATIONS TO SUBMIT NAMES OF POTENTIAL MEMBERS TO THE GOVERNOR FOR APPOINTMENT.

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Speakers

Representative DeAnn Vaught Chair Unverified
16 segments
Representative David Hillman Unverified
8 segments
Speaker 9
1 segment
Speaker 11
7 segments
Speaker 5
1 segment
Speaker 13
1 segment
Speaker 16
2 segments
Speaker 24
27 segments
Speaker 28
1 segment
Chair Unverified
9 segments
Speaker 32
3 segments
Speaker 23
1 segment
Representative Roger D. Lynch Unverified
2 segments
Representative Denise Jones Ennett Unverified
1 segment
Matt King Unverified
10 segments
Representative Jon S. Eubanks Unverified
4 segments
Speaker 49
4 segments
Speaker 57
1 segment