ALC-Higher Education Subcommittee

The meeting of the higher education subcommittee is called to order. Well thank you all for coming up and taking time out of busy schedules and if you have a primary I'm not sure what you're doing here but god bless you. Of. I really appreciate those of you that do make it to these meetings to comment early on Thursday morning of. I'll makes some brief remarks in a moment but I want to go ahead and see before to my co chair she has anything she'd like to. Thank you. Of. Earlier in the year we had researchers from the U. of a system coming to brief us on some of the breaking cutting edge technologies and research they're doing and I thought it was only fair to get the other side of our ledger the issue system to bring their folks forward so that both you and the folks back home know exactly what's going on and when it comes to the such a incredible research work was being done at our colleges and universities. I'm very happy that Our good friend Shane Broadway was able to pull this program together for us and in a moment. He I want to recognize him to go ahead and give us a brief overview of who will be hearing from today. Mister brown we are you ready. I am ready Mr chairman thank you very much members of the committee it's an honor to be here with the damn shame Broadway with a issue system and am very grateful for this opportunity I was telling my colleagues walking over I'm not sure in my twenty something years been around this place that I ever remember outside of the hearing that was here a few weeks ago that we've ever had researchers come in to tell us what they're doing if if it has if we've had it it's been very rare so In my role I'm very blessed to to work with you guys but what I really enjoys working with these guys I'm just kidding when I say that as a kid but the opportunity to work with with our researchers if you if you ever have time to be around them it's it's it's what keeps your excited about what you get to do every day when you see what they're researching and and how that can translate into real world applications and so I spend a lot of time working with our researchers owner or campus helping to connect them to different agencies different entities spit state bit that role you'll see was I he'd done a little bit working with the highway department and to come up with various ideas for how to improve asphalt or concrete using various and sundry different ideas working with business and industry through our bio sciences center that was funded through the tobacco settlement many years ago and then working with industry as you'll see in the last presentation with high troll probably the largest conveyor company and in the United States of America that's based in Jonesborough and also has a location and Senator Pitsch district and enforcement so Fortunately this is obviously commencement season and when the chairman asked me about this I knew exactly what I was going to run into immediately when commencement is over. People scatter on the college campus because they're trying to get in some kind of education between the in the spring term and summer one unfortunately these three guys I had stuff that they could not leave and so they are still are still here or else I could have filled up the entire day for you with researchers who wanted to be here to come to tell their story about the research that they're doing but it obviously is great for our university for them to have this opportunity to share with you what they're doing because it's important you find it to a great degree for the so for them to share what they're doing that also in turn down the road can help create jobs for Kansans so with that much German will turn it over to Jay and let him present and we'll just go an order of of your agenda and they're here to answer any questions that you might have some of it is I looked at the slides is pretty technical and goes over my head after the first slide so I told him to try to help break it down or where I can understand it to the state to help us also I'm sure that the they can do that and make it relatable to to all of us so Dr doctors your thank you for being here. Yes Sir if you could introduce yourself your name and your title and for the record thank you okay so hi my name is Jay Hugh I'm a research professor from Arkansas file science institute I also got the court appointment at the college of agriculture at a state yeah so today I am the is my great honor to have this opportunity to showcase my research at a state. So I did that the of any brief introduction to the current research that might be such a project that aims to Jennette pants and had the sale for all medical and investor application. Okay I just such has been focused on hand base the protection. And the specifically we. Design and engineer some by one Richard S. impact the cells for to kind of application why is called Morgan the farm that's that is that it. It is better to have that means to you the path to produce human pharmaceutical proteins this call the money could I find the otherwise we try to engineer the path to sell wool for biofuel and other file products production. In order to make this up occasion mall I efficiently we leveraging tool. Of any special design functional I will choose the all up by what except the site so that's why it's called S. P. more U. S. kind of issue of the peptide the compact the otherwise quality can I ask for is called this you still got to pay the complex and the I don't think you needed to put on the stand of the. Okay thank you that it brief introduction about to the mortgagee defined impact. So thanks mother nature that all the all these and we share the same genetic a code so that allows us to put a human genes all animal genes in the plants sales so we can make the path to produce the pharmaceutical especially the pharmaceutical for human beings economic today. So this is just to show the process of working to find the accelis so we can extract the pastels from the active from the path of the fees that we can put to the humans use in the past a cell then we can accrue the path to sell you do creative media or we can scale up with a call to involve an active full commercial production. So that the vantage of what could a farm you paint include the low cost the cost is much lower than the current production system and the safety and also easy for Pat beautification and also the IBM want to making all this compact with you such as the and the body vaccines again with the inclusion of the tool functional modulus we can make them wait confinement more proactive. So now what's the unique function of these two modules for the S. P. mode you'll speak can boost the protein secretion from a cell culture system. So let me just give you a simple example use that GOP that's a green fluorescence pretty as exam examples. So if we engineer the G. O. P. with a S. P. Marshall impasse else and the proteins are genetically secret into the culture media. So we can see the private equity for residents even with a with makes the ice. And the the product that you would that you would be presented two thousand the for this increase compared with we just enjoyed the other GOP only with all to the S. P. malt you. So this technology can be applied to the protection of many human proteins impact sales. And we ought to collaborate with the policy jacket that's of Johnson voter base the startup company of full cut you see human cytokine valued at this technology and we do see with the father from and I H. S. B. I program. For the GPI anchor if the can promote to the translocation of the pack Pruthi through the cell surface so again I use the GOP as examples. If we engineer the GOP wheeze at UPI anchor send all the proteins are quickly moved to the cell surface active that displayed at the cell surface like that like this what is this the path to sell us and this can be confirmed by the observation on the microscopic we can see that difference off the distribution of the pre for lessons proved in the sales engineer with DPL GOP only always be happy with that thank. So not all of the at this that background introduction I'm good thank you brief introduction to three project that utilizes to function the market you mark the design. The project one is try to a chewed acts be able protection of the red blood cells from he met the point at what you do to stem cells even up wild actress. By using the. Those factors produced by pass the sale. This week was factors called the rest appointee stem cell factor and interleukin street unknown to help pay special rule you stimulate to the expression and the depreciation of the stem cell to was a bad brought Salis for high you the production of these rules affect us we put to the GPS S. P. I have more use that so this just your the that's my class structure now we can add to this particular into the bout Act us so often you get to the stem cell for about the fourteen days and the twenty one days we can see the formation of the he what will be the stem cell we can see that read the cost of the stem cells and the first of all so much you I read the private sales that are lack of nucleus and the smaller than the US themselves can be generated off the twenty one days all incubation so this result that must get that passed separate use that was factors they have is the high point NC being stupid that to the depreciation of red bra stem cell to read the privacy Alice. The second the project we tried to internet designed by what he kissed impact to sell for alright should commence all of you from entry by what these these. And the again now we designed a new molecule to buy including that to function the margin so this molecule that can be I can inhibit to the the TNF off that's the pro you from entering the US icon so that means this job this what could it can be used as a jacket to stop information. So this just short of the mark the structure of the of the buddy actually this is subject body could a engineer in pastels we can see that GPI anchor the yes the display all the routine SAS of fees and that the S. P. module will help stabilize the proof yes so that engine this engine the other path to sell can be alright at the what to IPD patients so we are then the path to sell will protect the fruit that proved to from the creation in the stomach when the path to sell which is a call to the pen to sell what will be destroyed by the inside in the car the than the anti TNF off of what it could it will be released and the function to suppress the T. and F. off that over produced in the information site your call. So this project I sponsored by an I. H. to NH program. So the third one we try to genetic engineer the past cell wall for improved the power best process beauty again with the tool functional modules we designed a new molecule to us that can modify the pad to sell what structure so in this case we include to sell what you construct the enzyme is called United seven ace. So we get consent engineers this morning care us into the wall any to prop such as switchgrass miscanthus sees and that this presumably with use the cost the for biomass the construction cost and the eventually improve the protection of all fuel and of all products and this project was sponsored by US the and the five as the proof of concept we first engineer this money could asking Bakul pads and insisted that we can find the. The rules of the tabernacle was not affect my engineer added this body curious on the contrary the chest agenda could block of practical foster the biggest and the while the topic pass if you can see the the parents that be a good part us also the leave side because and that while the type plants and the more important three the palmettes by just the beauty of the chest genic Barkal is substantially increased compared with the wild type of pants so is by the by this result we currently collaborating with the Clause I'll close up I ended you crawl ripa's. Try to engineer this by what you're asking us which class as this project is sponsored by the do you E. S. P. I. appropriate so far that I want to say that all my project I you better early development stage but I believe the I have up at a rate of per case you both by medical and at investor area so thank you all for attendance and the also I was sent to the or the financial support from the federal and the state for the S. on the edges thank you. Thank you doctor we have no questions. Yeah and question if. At I think everybody's trying to just take it in well yeah I know this is so technical that was that was a whole lot very short order. Some pretty impressive things. Thrilled thrilled to see that you've gotten so many good sponsors to get the work done Is there anything you'd like to add. Yes so call today I just decide to be in the might have a still working on this project I try to find the investor partners to help it to commercialize this project is project basically I did used to be projects here the offshore greats of the case you potential. Okay. On the agenda Dr Hosein is next. Represent god for you have a question I did it okay I can move on I was just wondering where he got his PhD in what what connected you with Arkansas state if you had mentioned that I I'm sorry I missed it. Yes hi that that would be yes that way yes that first I work at a high risk that I'm an now you pursue that I joined in you and I have all these the collapse may be some small company and also I got him at that address and S. and also with outside yeah. Wonderful thank you Arkansas thank you to have your thanks for sharing your research. Darter saying if you'd like to introduce yourself and begin your presentation. All right good morning. I am I that he to sign I am an associate professor of civil engineering at Arkansas state university I also serve as the court addict of the seasons in program as well as an associate director of concept that it stands for transportation consortium of south central St. And I'm I'm I'm it is my honor and privilege to be here and shall make you service with all the honorable members of the US the Saudis are subcommittee. Today I'm going to talk briefly about lake use of waste materials in highway construction and I then we I'm going to talk a little bit about part of the challenge this and how we are solving them and what kind of a person to see clinical on opportunities we have out of this mighty service and as you can see on the first page here you see all the material that you see the recyclable are that the old materials are you see on the left side on that is that tyre stockpile of tires used tires as you know that that this problem so it can have mosquito problem five problem and he begins up and that I'm feeling but how we can use process and One side to and my first time recess on that date still brag Can I get County. And right now while my eighty services and ponder so far like you to solve our I like about two point five million dollars and then I supervised many graduate students as well as undergraduate students through research they find them them I supported them I have a no we duty service you also disseminate it like this is gonna kind of dissemination to all our stakeholders so we got a great present different conferences including national local international so I made a over a hundred presentation technical presentation on and also be had to be done on conference so that is on a couple of hundred and I have by down like three eighty o'clock cost throughout university and I also did some kind of workshop or seminar we have in there aw and at the bottom part of the slide it shows like you know that quality Sir size people diss me how am doing what if some sense it is fiction that are some groups they do what kind of this call I will discuss later shown and then he says again I'll or Q. so that'd be service ID's the order number Lexus subsequently number or Kate is a number that the sense that the tire with anybody put this the all the other cards your portfolio where you eat what you ordered everything that that that that doesn't joke impact by that is like what I'm what kind of recess I'm doing and what it how many presentation I made everything is that the somebody look at that click that link and they can find that. So again little bit background first of all you can invest for payment what is that that is actually the meeting up for payment that is not anymore it can not be there so we can mail it and process it and put it back on the road but there are some lot of all the steps involved to make it work to make this meet the spec national wide there are are ever is use of these that out the second asphalt pavement that material is twenty one percent but in Arkansas we are using only thirteen percent so we have one of the states that are using less about the second I spoke payment that is on is that there are a lot of reasons we moved there are reasons that it is eleven to them actually on its south lake that is not uniformity because one time it could be it is coming from the high with a regularly Steve see street the rap coming out of the time it could be coming published I forty if the mix up together and they'll be different animal so we need to make sure that when you plan to the new materials they need all the specs also there so in doing a lot of uh limited to work in the field administration on and see how we can improve how we can increase is the app content in the new mix and then automobile tires. Is the over two hundred. Eighty million on waste tires as enacted in the USA and in Arkansas alone it is about two point three million I used tires but most of them are kind of the goals in the land feeding order that barn for donating and unsee In fact the burning it for energy production is not a sustainable way such a noble way used to used to use if you do not displayed you know you to use it for other purposes if we process this automobile tattoo used tires and then we can use it for as little construction material. So then either party another component is that ISIS as so that is kinda bit eleven two odds and as you know that we are the I want to state is the largest ice producing state in the country and we produce by about five point six million pounds I had to do a little bit of calculation here because they go buy a blue cells Is not con and doubly so that is a learned instead at the east lake harm bush is not a statement that I was still there but it depends on the. You know some kind of like the lady went and then I converted to times that came up with that I point six times about two hundred bushels. so on the right side you can see a picture of that is kind of a storage problem that is the actual picture from rice Leding despite guard so they have to a story in a particular place it is not the land field but it has to be designed that way so that it does not the apartheid the environment of quality or underground water not so that is kind of a burden to the local farmers are if we can use it to pick up process it and use it as a construction material so it could be a sellable products so that could be going to get these beneficial for them. Then another component is that plus the fly ash is you know that due to invention of new technologies solar power our other core barn find plant is going to be like some of them might be coming shown some of them and they're going to extend so that means that there is that guys of the docks on up glossy fly S. classify as is currently being used by the concrete industry so you need to set the the hardest so if we can use alternative material we need to look property materials for example in the annual Newport the the planned that is going to be shut down some already may be audited commission so that is a perfect example like we had we can see that there is a need for find alternative materials so we need to find out that draws alternative cement Ishii's material so what you can do we can go all pool back to Wardlaw health we where less than twenty years ago or thirty years ago they dumped all these lights that flash. People like board shall be reported that that even quality is better than what is currently we is is being produced that ISIS ninety this plans that is being produced the but that has some impunity so we have to process it and then we can put it back and use it for other stuff concurred production. And I'm going to sell a couple of projects one as an example of that the recently finished one of them is how to use more of the second as follows pavement recycled materials pavement milling I and out we try to use because this is very hard if it is very hard then it is going to be a big help if there is a big hello there is a lot of cracking on that award quickly so we have a reserve in it it is same thing like you're getting order so how do stuff we can a company to stop it but we have some kind of in the lotion and moisturizer to make it legal for any the same way it is amended to there are some reserving about that can be used and there are some waste product like waste cooking oil that is like I'm from the you know that estrogens. Frying pans. And using bottom while. All the dealership they have those so those are the bottom one so those can be used as it is when it a so we tried on a couple of them and then they calm compared with the commercial it was when after evil plex. What we have found is that up to twenty five percent twenty ACT twenty five percent about that and ten percent of a ten percent waste cooking oil or is ending in the bottom while that was effective to make it stop enough and the still keep it hard enough for some of time so that it can be put. The pavement construction. So that is that an advantage we can see that that is going to which committee can use and for this project I have local industry partner at less pay being and also blown to do this kind of project we need to have resource faculty member and does it and it does it is students so that help with that the second project. I'm going to talk a little bit about that is going to be let it and this is actually this project was funded by you is do you T. as well as the Arkansas department of transportation hi this is actually one kind of like a special ground in Mr Broadway helped me to mom would get this crime as well from Arkansas DOT It is still being going on said the first phase we tried with the claim why yes what is the claim fly ash so that is a game that was the order. Sly as that does dumped in landfill we call it one often want to means one landfill is like where do we put all the garbage and everything the morning feel is like a specially designed where there is a gold mining pipeline that dumped it late Peter Sagal there are several of them in the United States and they help I'm disappointed there so we got some sample through borough and then we did laboratory testing and then would be offended when a station and we found that the sink a sink is is related to the products that you see on the on the path on the on the concrete actually we'll have we're going to have on you know the concrete in the floor on your home UCLA are on your driveway you will see all is moment of what how perfectly you do there will be some crock there will be some had occurred but those are not just stepped out of the. On the fission those that have that but as a means any of our target is to how to make it is smaller crack land as a less localized not two months so that is our target so there'd be some crack so um we found that she has that plus the reduced by forty nine percent compared people who do not use any kind of this supplement also mentions material and also you to use the it just got out of the city council action that is like expansion during wintertime being please please talk so we are able to to get bills and even making it better with those on that declined by S. and now I am going to miss it up talking myself I have an old video a couple of minutes saw that has some kind of a question and answer that because we needed that for the projects I'm going to. Swiss to the internet and. Yeah plan that we deal from there Four US department of sorry. This is the implementation of an ongoing process that we are doing for the US department of transportation as well as I'm concerned. Additional what we are doing here we at experimenting to see if that he claimed fly ash that was that a few from landfill this this this smartphones as a state as the class if fly ash so what will happen like we'll be able to see what that democratic out and that's why committee for party R. C. as the by classify as that is traditionally used in producing concrete using C. met because a lot of five on food and greenhouse gas emissions which is not that of good for environment so we have added some assisted both of Mayfield to keep does it environment six well I'm seeing it back to you guys you know so this way I can learn more and where did you do that does that best I I used the I go some of different Mr but now I see some differences so that that helps how are you of a bitter of engineering knowledge in my study that these are different things the only students who will take the that course. Yes but that is really just want to spend a controlled environment and he had this is kind of we are introducing the makes in the line so there is a lot of the issues we are talking about is the accu penny Act to one year who is twenty seven feet you so we have one there seventy feet you are confident that is forty east end up line and it is not asking for as in the lab where we do that activist and walking forty that is seeing it okay happening it is happening decide what so it encourages me and inspired me okay I'm doing I'm a part of me that there's a very. Thank you next time I'm going to mentioned few one going projects the first uneasy with a price as ash As instead relating as input for some criticize somebody inside is the foundation of Little Italy is you can see on the picture on the right side of this problem is was is related to for some but they're so how we gonna stop the lies blasts the fly ash can be use the men can be used but here we are trying to you is that I test cash and then people have a lot of people so no I do not want to live in California why because there's a lot of I quit but actually we are sitting on top about clip from Joan into one's borough we are in the new law on the my did Paul Jones and we should be impairment is one it has more peace than California also we try to find hot kind of hazard we have and then hot kind of law a mitigation plan can be done and then on project is related to content how to reduce more sat down as on the order and that is collaborative we at that time is in a state university and then the other being other project funded by Arkansas do you T. that is to finding to get the and bind up compatibility in content and in collaboration with the effect of the member of parliament or city of Arkansas at Fred being and then also we are now working on a project that is a continuation of the other project that we have that administration use of ground path out of our income the pavement and then we are going to have it like it is not a project but this is kind of a dissemination so that would be a transportation summit by September of this year and that this is I just wanted to let you know if you have a level I will I will Mr Broadway if you could at ten due to it being a high bit more does so by we will con will come you to die and that if you can that'd be great now. And based on my research like that are not only the says we have to do are you as a duty that we have to do some kind of you know committee calendar trees and the they're turning forty students developing building workforce for transportation secretary and disseminate our workers so long listed twenty twenty one night transit conformance and keynote speakers that Arkansas do you at the well that Director of Arkansas duty as well as the deputy secretary of the United States department of transportation of the keynote Speaker we have too high about two hundred participants and there are sixty one presentation including as a distance pornstar send out with a presentation and the if these this is statistics are for last year the trend of supported eleven students were mighty Service seeks graduate and five undergraduate students also organized field trips for that the payment is for sixty six in the ninety students and also facilitate their safety training for a ready mix plant on a stop and then what provided internship for high school students in by to six students in my lab and they're spending a day to see what we are doing and also volunteered at different I'll have been use us as that as a science fair KDAF at a what X. contest on in northeast Arkansas and by someone that a my internal activities like packed review and those kind of stop and by heather some money students are making good progress some of them we do not have the PSD program at this time so of mustard and they get that big B. and then we'll act height and to know what city to do that P. is deemed a party university university of Wisconsin at Madison And those places that bring us some of them being opposed up and all the student that graduated last year so they got a job from is is he is on or on or from private industries and what of the economic benefits so basically we will consume that was part acts so that would be Tuesday and bottom without prior to him and actually ball so that can help them payments yearly and it will be a sellable product in this set up it and waste material and we believe many states estimation if we use this kind up you know the size of after all the materials that will reduce the construction mental health caused by about twenty five percent and the other thing is that we upon that we need to process this all these automobile tires rise house race Hollowell if we want to what use them so due process that we have to have a processing plant if we have the processing plant that would create new jobs and opportunities from our local residents and also you're developing the workforce but transportation industry and to train the students graduate students undergraduate distant they will interlock force so that is not getting vesting up on our agenda shown and also you could I students from high school so that they are motivated to going to estimate aggression and also a participant in the local committees and so that get me out of my to get from we contributed to that as well and I could not do all of these without support from is and see if like USDOT Arkansas DOT National Science Foundation and I have several industry partners I have listed I don't want to mention everyone's name but by that might list is very long that provide me to the the why does sometimes question on messing Fund in kind support and I have recess clobbered up for multiple universities within the state as well as the out of this state all the from Michigan to. Check and takes us and them. And then also of course like I cannot do the water can as a seat all the time in the lab so my graduated students and I'm a graduate student they have the one that gets me motivated to keep you motivated the yeah I get my work done in the lab and thank you all I have or haven't giving me this opportunity to speak and she I'm a service with you and the stress and Broadway as well as the other I. stuff members let me in but appreciate to be must now I'd be happy to take any questions are comments you may have. Thank you doctor Senator Hammer you're recognized for a question. Thank you thank you Mr thank you for being here this morning And and question I've got is you were on the use of tires and how it fit into concrete or asphalt and then the the spin off product from that do you work with like our dot or county judges because it seems to me like I remember all three four years ago we had a discussion and there was a questions were not that product would actually hold up it would be a cheaper source to do over ways on interstates and county roads. So do you work with any the government entities to test that product. Thank you senator for that question now yes that have been a lot of discussion on and initiatives and I also want to probably you know French style. There a lake in our ways allayed twenty there was kind of a ground tire rubber project an asphalt and yeah it was like about two decades ago but that Blake yeah that is the first time they did it on into this state and sees them there is kind of like that everything was put on the backburner and I salute you as beauty and I can side department up and member of quality I started the first project to gain if you're single D. is gone path out of our to modify as a modifier for asphalt mine down initiate up using polymer so um that I've got some permitting it is not so that as far as follows and then I just submitted a couple of problems statements for Arkansas do you T. but they are not prevent the cop even the issue all we had a president like top ten but it did not become a project they have some specific kind of procedure so that promised to do I did not get the project by da two years ago you mentioned about that is so yeah end up conte's that they spoke with him we met him with a couple of times along with Arkansas convicted Mendes yes and promotional director Mr Allen manners the the they send I believe he tired so it does actually she was the one that gave by Bob put me again to these using down Pat out of our four point eight not for asphalt and that this is kind of new area so the application would be different so you started that project through that discussion with their jobs and then I got some moderate now I got some funding from Arkansas do you would be as a grind Arkansas DOT that is that one misstep brought a help me. The last year so yes data are on that and that this kind of a special project for my consent UT but I started with the discussion from end up come to dis and right now that project is ongoing and one of the things that we have learned so far is that down Pat I'm a poor concrete it will be most applicable as the placement of it getting it not the same and at the placement of the rocks or sand. Not the semen because these ground tire about is is that the number so unless the heat out you do not get the benefit. So you cannot use it you did you can benefit the asphalt if you. Make it very fine granular. Okay does that answer your question it did I just wanna make sure there's ongoing discussions between our doctor so that you know because we're looking at the rising cost inflation cost materials but also seems like I remember the back then it wasn't well received because of the long term sustainability of it and is on it we talk off line I just wanna make sure Mr if you'd like grant latitude I'd like to ask the other gentleman the question is do and if you don't that's fine but I'd like to when the time to program thank you for being here brief certainly. All right thank you. Dr if you hold on I'm more questions for you I just want to get this out of the way. There's more questions for you okay this. Thank. Thank you Mr. The the the research that you're doing involves does it involve like farm seed like soybeans and and the things that we use here in Arkansas on the on the research that you're doing. Yeah for the access would be I use some soybean for biofuel Act biodiesel production sometime at that time I try to extract some of biodiesel from the soybean but I didn't do a lot of these bodies okay at most time I've working on the Senate also as a because like a issue from the past a lot Thomas campuses and the switch for us so then the other professor thought this duty he harvested them and send it to my that so that I have the entire process to untie the the active the facility to process the this file masks and corrected the switchgrass and the. into the file at the okay and do you work we see companies here in Arkansas like straight seat out of stock order in the other seed producers in Arkansas no okay our thank you appreciate it thank you senator. Senator Solomon you're recognized for a question. Thank you on the tires are have you done any marketing research taking this from grant funded to marketing and actually using it are there any. Our other states doing it are we in that market or not. thank you senator from Sullivan for that question so the. The answer is yes I know the noise that I have not been any market the service but ground tired of it is being used in other states like Arizona Florida Texas many states to use ground tab or even that pounding it is another on that ground path of a modified asphalt concrete is lot whiter is more durable than but it left so what does it take for us because we've been fighting this tire issue for years and recycling and if we could start using this as a marketable product it be a huge gain for the state so what are we missing and what the steps to take it from grants to actual product a product were using it. Yes first of all we need to have some in house data and that's why I teamed up with the fed will and on pack of the members I we jointly submitted to parliament statement to Arkansas beauty of this year and fan bacon I believe nine to ten they believe nine but they're finding on the project this year so what we need to do we need to do some except testing as well as possibly do some field demonstration because the construction is the another issue is slight is the regular plan cannot do it so it has to be like who has the expertise to do the construction weekend tool anything in the lab but if there is no contract of the come and do it so that's why there are some out of state contractor probably put him in the ministration a we can bring them here and based on what based on all our means design they can put in place there and if they can see again I deal with you they can see a good results and it said that last longer than they would be more kind up they'll be impressing the idea gained but Believe it or not it is like there are some even supplanted they're using ground tire I've or aw AS IT bye bye modify it for us for the binder. If there are people using this and we're behind the curve on that I'll drop by your office next week and we'll talk about how to get it done in Arkansas yes you are okay yeah you're very welcome and the gap please yeah busy to us and to the topic for about that thank you thank you Mr. Representative Brian you're recognized for a question thank you Mr chairman we know that we're saving twenty five percent. Because of the material that we use and within this project but let me ask you this are. Once that is. Mixed in with a asphalt are with the concrete. How much longer a live does that create for the highway or. Areas as. Being used. The life extension. I talking with the life O. okay yeah so we thought we considered in these designed because the twenty year service life so that is kinda keep because we designed for pavement twenty years follow please what was the the last before this project was put together was or something like twelve or fifteen compared to now twenty or something like that. I if I get the question correctly the the life of quick paper man before. To my knowledge is it does all is we follow on president purpose the following fiscal estrace center and make Association of a state highway and transportation officials our design live has been twenty years all alone but we designed it for twenty years but it may not last for ten years to fifteen years so yeah you're right on that but we designed for twenty years twenty longevity could be less most of the time it is less because of you know all this on site entity comes from materials as well as construction with our some unexpected events that happened so but we designed it for twenty years it would what does this process extend the life of the project compared to the the way of doing. Visions up so you know this is kind of west material sometimes you have to compromise something to get some benefit in some area for example we saw like vanishing because it will be less. Same thing S. I. expansion will be less but per con could maybe come principally stand would be. Yes those last means selection because less expansionist man that is beneficiary picked. Now the compressive spent twenty push something homeless it can take that would be less than your regular concrete but we still made the specifications so there you are putting more strain concrete you do not need. Here you are reducing the strand but you as meeting the specifications let's see you designed it for thirty three thousand PSI. For regular concrete that the designee put it with all these Westminster yes maybe you are getting actually for them thirty five hundred PSI back with Westminster yes we might be getting thirty two hundred PSI so we made the specification we compromise something but we meet this specification but some other areas we get benefit. Three thousand asking of this Sir is because like within a interstate highway or something if we were using that just wonder if it would extend the life of of the highway over pretty years. So that is kind of another good question so there so why in many states some like Florida or even eighties now when they put something in a court day I'm known kind of material they put it in the law kind of impart under plans in the county or local implored or it listed how you initiative into the state and see how they perform god willing we can come to the interest is so you do not want to immediately like you come up something and let's put on the interstate system that would not be kind of I would say that good way to we'll our water that then we will slowly like the counties the we put a put in a county road. If for some reason it doesn't go well it doesn't it's just not going to adversely impact on the people we can immediately to moved with some mitigation and correction so we need to do a someone you know these few demonstrations before actually putting on the interested system that would be my Frankel Fannie and maybe more experiments yes exactly yes thank. Senator Teague you're recognized for a question thank you I'm right here hi hi thank you thank you for looking at that then that's okay thank you both for your for presentations I look for to the next one but I appreciate both of you being here and and what you offered in educating us I know concrete is a very technical science my daughter has a masters in construction management and so concrete is a big issue for those in construction management for all those reasons. Couple different things one is you know I think I'm also very interested to see how we can recycle the tires we have such a problem in our state when it comes to our used tires and we have right now I think a huge file hazard near Cotton Plant Arkansas and we have to address it so I would just encourage you to work with Mr Broadway also you Senator Solomon and others because we really do need to have a solid plan I personally don't want to put those tires and a landfill I prefer to use them through a process on our road something that makes you know perfect sense I know that is happening I would also encourage us to try to in work through the unpaved roads program and those types of chip and seal projects and I'm not sure if you can you know expand what you're doing to those types of things but I think that would be a good use an independent cost towards whatever processing plant would be in order for us to clean up that huge environmental mess we have right now and get those tires processed I'd love to know a dollar amount as to how much that would be and what kind of an investment that would be and how that manpower would look I think that would benefit your research project and in order to receive more grant funding if we could do a kind of plan of action to solve that problem and so that's just a recommendation to you and then I because it's something I know I'm very much interested in and I think a lot of us are but that county judges I mean it's not just state governments county governments very very concerned about that problem and then the last question would be the storage problems for the rice husk ash you you put in your sly. They're storage problems because of that is that because we don't have the facilities to store that a by product and. Again how much would that take to create and where would be an ideal location for that that's one question that I have and I have one more question. Thank you madam Q. I yeah I those a bagel good recommendation so one thing you mention of a construction management so your doctor is and that program she graduated or something matters almost as she does so by this I just wanted to let you know that we have that we disparity at the construction management program that is in the in the Arkansas state grants the good news for us yes contact about that at this point I am getting it from liberty tires the process it we those that donated the materials and there is another company they also donated that content of it is actually the micronized rubber of anybody fine it says same size about the same size as Noel ciment that kind of micronized that is we have been to you we are using for a project so yeah what you are all this advice might get the session district wise like how we can move forward from now to the next step well taken and I will do that work and the last question on that rice has asked thank you thank you yes so that picture you can see on the lake the mental yes that picture it does take AM late two thousand sixteen around that time sexually maybe some all honorable members see and maybe that will participate that we had a couple of meetings at this one meeting and the Department of higher education that building so Sino some congressmen and senator that but you know they I forgot about metes seventy thing so I I I will give the because I can I can that they called us names but there are some of you may be the adding that meetings and one meeting as well so you trust fund they add that initiate the to use a self cash on in the simple in the concrete production and that was and that he had this state that data to that land. I feel that that story is that they have a special kind of use not landfill but this only for ISIS gases that temporary street is area vice like about eighty percent porn that time and they say that time you do you they do not have a media market then they would have to design and other storage area. That will cost them like about sixty or eighty thousand dollars at least on to have another land artist Vaught is a yeah so it okay so it's a storage area landfill land is their land feeling yeah they are stories a day similar to landfill but not action there's nothing else going there okay is this only for that ISIS gas okay and then your last point is that because of the decline of coal fired power generation that's that is jeopardizing the concrete production because there were producing less of the fly ash byproduct okay I just wanted to yes yeah they use traditionally is twenty percent of classify ash that it explained they use classical I. S. we will accept it and there's no question about that but if there is a sharp as then we need to find out like what are the alternatives or sign a replacement so let's say you're going toward that hi this state fly ash right as well as may be it ISIS gas would be in on the kind of alternative yeah okay thank you thank you. Senator Johnson you're recognized for a question thank you Mr chairman of doctors say thank you for this very informative presentation of so many questions go through my mind I'll try to boil it down to one or two the first one has to do with the. basically just rubber added to asphalt I was surprised that you also reading it concrete of. I assume there's an elasticity issue that lets the instead of the thank of a difference between a soft cookie and crispy cookie that crispy cookie been a little bit school break the softer cookie of give a little bit and go back and I assume that's kind of what we're going to do with with the pavement but several years ago and I do not didn't keep it I just remember reading an article about a and maybe even better video thing television thing but it was about a a company that had developed a membrane type Rubberized mesh type material and they would to use this as a layer under the and again I don't know if they sandwich dinner how many layers or but but it would be under the the final layer of asphalt and basically the idea was instead of something happening it would cause a pothole it would give and it would be able to support the at the under Lehman and it would not I'm I'm a state a state always bounced back like it was but certainly a lot better than just a brutal the brittle cookie that just just breaks up is that still something that is out there is a possibility and and could the recycle tires and I agree with the what does Senator Solomon Senator Irvin said we all looked at this major problem all these tires laying around and not to mention you mention the mosquitoes in your presentation I mean there's all kinds of issues it's a problem and so while I'm grateful the idea that we're going to make the roads better and last longer and have a little flexibility in the pavement you're you're really solving two very important problems at one time. Is this membrane type thing are you familiar with it does it still exist is it something that may be when they first did it it was a little bit too difficult to carry out but I'm I'm always looking for the fact that you know we bill road and we we put heavy trucks on it and we come back years later and it's it's all in a pot holders issues we have interstate forty between here in Memphis and due to the lack of wisdom of former governor who got to be president when the railroad went out of business between little rock Memphis he tore up the railroad tracks so now something like seventy five eighty percent of traffic so here in Memphis is trucks because that's the largest distribution center in the western hemisphere we've got to find a way to make that road last longer are any of these things are applicable to to what I've just described here specially this membrane situation. yes what you said yes and that makes that makes perfect sense and that applicable yes gone terrible application why is that a the purpose or the way it to be used for S. Fund concrete as a less Portland some cement concrete that differently of the asphalt industry the way it is you'll stop you can use two whereas one is kind of it is called I'm going little bit technical on this call but since you Miss mention of any elasticity and other things so W. yeah you're familiar with all those kinds of things so it's gone on is called dry process analytical with process the wait process is that we use as a modifier for the the oil spill binder so it'll be dissolved in the in the on sale the ten where the asphalt buying that is supplied to the mix of plant so that is going the way process now the dry process instead of having the asphalt binder you too will be considered as a kind of political on bats on on being up it gets so you will be in the mixture that time we add them in the mixing mission that is called up that drive process so they have used it is not take says they have used it for surface course even the basic bind of course and you're talking about the member and so that is kinda Blake this is on the line that it could be by the bays that it could be been sub is there definitely I see like there is a publication the disk for sub is there and what bays that it can be used without must kind of eighties quite anything like that and you do not have to process as vigorously as you do need to use for surface course there is another technology called open get it It fiction course because the a permit I mean I believe you would be higher if you is it like in the base course so you can quickly drain the drain water and that is kind of a dream is that it can it can be used as a drain as Leah so you you see the difference like when there is a name that releases splash on the roadway the then though what I really just immediately go down so that is another way so this is kind of an asphalt area but the concrete eighty yep yep content area you cannot do it the same way as asphalt because we do not heat up he did tentative during the mixing process it is not an awful hot and up. To make it to like a glue say till Blake little bit all articles late fee let mentally ill in concrete. And that that would be the placement of a gain the Sam or course they gonna get botox but people from some other places unlike some other countries especially in Asia some countries that imported recess of the reported if we make it very fine and we're talking with the final exam and it is if you're familiar with closely they've won incidental Blake four hundred openings that kind of a small in one is four hundred if you divide that four hundred parts appointees that would be the size if we can make the size then the report that it could be placement up segment. But. This is even my dissent proposal one of the the view and this and that I have been in concrete recess for thirty years them people in I have never hired that this will work and you do not want this is how the word that if you came in but it's still got funded on the project because this is kind of a new technology we want to see if it works unless we do it you can say do not work unless you do it you don't own put in what I'm not so yeah what is it is perfectly make sounds about you have to get more data and see how it actually works and then we can make some. Meaningful conclusion of the commendation today than C. yeah. Thank you quick follow up share of there is a a plant in Prescott that manufactures it's a Firestone planned they manufacture a roofing material which is a sheet of rubber membrane. And I don't know if the this recycled tire other rubber products could be used in that type of process and they may tell me this crazy thing in her event what work but I'm wondering the whole idea of is creating a market for the the product to you know if if if the tires if there was this huge demand for these old tires to be recycled that our problem would go away when I was a kid you and steel cans everywhere because cokes and beer came and steel cans and they've just thrown everywhere when they went to aluminum people pick them up and go recycling because there's money in that and I'm wondering if this type of technology could go into something like that roofing material that's manufactured in South Arkansas are you order out the state is is happening actually. So I'm glad that you're following all of these many state they use this roofing shingles because it has about twenty percent asphalt in their. So it has also done a lot materials there. and when a drawback to listen that I believe one or right side that is even use a stop sign up. All shingles and some states they are using a been like five percent. Roofing shingles on on anything about the shingles situation but this could go on indefinitely I appreciate everything you're doing Sir Broadway if you keep me apprised of the event your name September something that I'd love to be able to attend thank you so much for the researcher to thank you Mr thank you. Representing Godfrey you're recognized for a question thank you Mr chair right over here and actually my question is a little bit more big picture and may be better answered by Mister by where it maybe even doctor mark and because I'm curious about and kind of as a follow up to Senator Hammer is questions about the ability to connect your research and and really all research in Arkansas higher as education institutions to state agencies and to the work that we are doing in state government I'm wondering both in you can speak to your particular connection with our daughter with and other partners that you had that I'm wondering kind of more broadly is there a systematic way to connect relevant research that's happening in the state of Arkansas which is the state agency that might be applicable to or is it just kind of happenstance that as we kind of have discoveries or or developments or and you know become aware of connections that may be advantageous to state government and is there a way to kind of to make sure that those connections are are being made or is it just as we learn things we we can kind of make the connections as they pop up I think it's the latter does look into Dr Markham a lot of it is happenstance and I say that because there is very little state calendar actually going to research most of the entities are going to be R. dot it's going to be a B. Q.. That's pretty much it that I can think of health department maybe the. In terms of the research we're talking about basic research so there's not a lot out there I think what you find or what I have found in working with all of them is it's a pretty small network does collect always said about athletic directors you'll think about but there's only a hundred thirty able nationwide so there's a pretty small network of people who do what they do and they start making connections at conferences dislike legislators do and making those. connections because I was going to mention a spent a week at the university of Arkansas few weeks ago representative will represent Davis was here obviously northeast Arkansas is not going to be a Mississippi County is going to be the largest steel producing county in the western hemisphere and so Arkansas state is obviously very close to that mail to those mails the University of Arkansas has a still testing lab and concrete lab developed with are not a lot of other other groups where they can test ban break whatever is developed so we're having that discussion between Arkansas state and you have a a collaboration where we would develop and they would test for these tight kind of applications we discussed here at what that what that looks like and then come to you guys and and it's that idea so they're probably can be better Collaboration and I'll visit Dr Martin will kind of think on that it may be talking to our researchers and figuring out what that. Looks like come a master schedule master calendar of who's doing what so you can because you can miss connections or could be somebody doing so they're like oh man and I wish I'd known they were doing that so we try to collaborate what we know everybody has an interest in know what everybody has done always happen I guess I would say yeah that's really helpful and I'm glad to hear that there are opportunities to kind of increase that collaboration because this presentation and others that we had and hopefully others will have in the future to hear what's going on in the lab and in the classrooms and and and at all the universities across our state is really helpful and is giving us lots of ideas in our work and and how to you know improve services across the state in all different sectors and so I hope that we can continue to to have presentations like this I know we've got one more today but yeah at any opportunity to and just get that good work that you're doing that Arkansas is so lucky to have in front of more people especially to kind of partner with and collaborate with state agencies are for other opportunities to to put it to work and I think we're all in support of that thank you very much do a quick advertisement for a president he'd we have been approach we're trying to find a partner and I wish representative Jett or one of our farmers are we're here but you mentioned you see the rock rice husk of if you talk to any rice farmer whether greatest problems is what is left over after the rice is milled and so there are piles and piles of rice holes all throughout the northeast Arkansas so we have been approached I he's been approached by county official Senator Hammer about trying to find a way to apply that to gravel roads because most of our county still have gravel roads or not not everything is asphalt or concrete and and counties especially in East Arkansas yeah a lot of farm road. It's that are never going to be asphalt or concrete and and so we're to a truck currently looking for a partner who would be interested so hoping somebody's watching that would be interested in and maybe partnering with us because if you can eliminate those rifles that's a lot of things not going into a landfill it's a problem for our farmers so try to look for you know simple solutions to big problems. Thank you Senator hammer recognized me quick because we still got to hear from doctor Fleming. Thank you thanks for the charge are you all familiar with what's going on down in center Gilmore sherry working in conjunction with Shane knight who's the deputy director of the Southeast Arkansas economic development district and what they're setting up to recycle tires would receive tire tires. I am I don't know that Dr Hussein is Back I just talked to. side so yeah very and I'm going to make the connection to connect those two up with what would what doctor nice doing okay because I know a lot of times were moving in different directions and connections everything but I would strongly suggest because I think it be good for for what's going on here today and for you all to get connected with them maybe direct and the other thing is are you testing this material on the on the asphalt in the different are you testing it in any counties or on any state property today or is that in the plans to do. No we are not doing it now any testing on any counties and is still it is everything is in the lab of scale. The laboratory not any kind of in the field. No I think that would be the long term plan with our diet is obviously you have to have thank you she was talking about earlier once you kind of scale up that research to where you say we believe this will work and needs to be tested and that's where and what are not is done over the years I say that because my dad retired from there there would be new research and they would do it on a stretch of road to test it out for so many years to see if that would work and I think that that will be kind of the next step is what's he comes up with we believe this will work but it needs to be tested to make sure on a larger scale instead of my lab. Can we do a half a mile a mile stretch and and with this mixture of rubber tire or an asphalt rubber tire and concrete that would be the next step to scale it up. Well I think that be good for us to try to help find the funding to do because of that you know nothing works better than to be able to point to and say it works right because we can call the position we are not may say some can judge me say something I'll say something we really don't know I think be worth us working together to get a test strip out there somewhere that we could point to and see if it works or not reality thank you thank you Mr. Thank you John thank you for a wonderful presentation Dr Fleming if you could common Saddam introduce yourself to us. Okay good morning I'm drew Fleming I'm assistant professor of mechanical engineering at Arkansas state today if you can move your Mike a little closer thank you absolutely today I'm gonna be just talking about one specific project that's in my research portfolio and really I want to frame it as an opportunity for. fostering collaboration between universities and industry within our state to start off I want to kind of give you some context about where I'm coming from why this is important to me I'm a lifelong Arkansas resident I got all of my degrees from the university of Arkansas all the way through PhD and when I was finishing my PhD I ran into this issue that job prospects for people with highly technical degrees and state are pretty slim Yukio academia no there really are no jobs for PhD engineers in state at the time another group member my lab would take four slices research coming from from our research group he asked me if I want to join in with them so I spent the first five years my career doing basically research entrepreneurship working through the SFS B. I. R. program all the way from phase one to phase to be we received a deal we sunshot award commercializing technologies for solar panels basically and as part of that opportunity I was leading industry collaborations with you we national labs working with this like national celery Laboratory Sandia national lab in the Florida sore and she's Senator and what what really stuck out to me is that's what I want to do I want to stay in state and being able to foster these opportunities for our grads and state is important to be able to keep this highly technical work force that we're generating so that our students don't leave basically. We don't have a PhD program at Arkansas state but we do have a master's program and. Ideally we want our students to be driving the regional economy northeast Arkansas as a major manufacturing hub it may have a little bit more of a reputation for farming but this is just a non comprehensive list of all of the different manufacturing facilities that we have in northeast Arkansas not just in Jonesborough but but regionally everything from consumer goods to industrial automotive manufacturing and metallurgy and use metal products some of these such as in March second the US steel that everybody knows about at this point our new opportunities that are going to be generated within the next couple of years you're still for example has been telling I've heard that they're looking to hire three hundred plus technical workers as part of that investment we want our students to be taking these jobs not just at the undergrad level but also at the graduate level and that means that these companies need to be have a pathway to utilizing our students across the state even in northeast Arkansas and beyond for research and innovation opportunities. One of the companies that I left off of that last slide is probably one of Jones first largest employers because I wanted to highlight a new award through the NSF partnerships for innovation program between the University of Arkansas Arkansas state university hi troll conveyor the PFI program is a little bit different than the standard Research grant from the NSF it's meant to foster commercialization of new intellectual property has been derived from previous NSF funding basically so that's where your documents those group if you've a comes in we're taking a technology that she's developed in her lab and working with myself and I troll we're going to try and implement that on their conveyor lines it is specifically requires industry collaboration and is also gonna be training students for entrepreneurship for future innovation possibilities. The goal of this project kind of broadly is to just reduce friction losses in conveyor systems personal losses are estimated to account for at least one point four percent of the global G. P. that's an estimate from two thousand seventeen so maybe larger this point that may not sound like a lot it actually is quite a bit but if you want to think about a different way that means that twenty percent of the total global energy consumption is associated with overcoming friction that's energy that is wasted by definition. That's not evenly distributed across all Clause across all industries in the conveyor industries for example you might expect that up to sixty percent of the motor power can consumption on one of these conveyors to be used overcome friction the conveyor systems that are used by high troll are really conceptually no different than the can bears on the check out when is your favorite supermarket except they're moving about thirty miles per hour instead of whatever the the look at the conveyor system at the at the grocery store that is a substantial amount of energy loss basically that can be addressed Between myself and Dr Seuss group the solution is going to be using a graphite based coating material graphite is a well known sold lubricant you can buy cans of the store for example but the problem is is that graphite is inherently low friction but also suffers from what's called a very high where rate you apply it and you lose it very quickly the innovation here is adding a patented biomimetic and he's in promoter that's based on the a chemistry of a quiz muscles to improve to improve the wear rate this technology. The value proposition on this we took some information from UPS UPS is one of hydro's largest customers as well as Amazon and several other multinational companies. The US UPS world port which is a Louisville national airport is the largest of the five UPS hubs there sorting all of your packages and you can see from this picture. You can see the passenger terminal as well as the package sorting facility the Louisville airport is a roughly the size of the Memphis airport for scale it is the same amount of passengers you can see that these distribution facilities dwarf the airports themselves this has over thirty three thousand miles or three three thousand severe motors running a hundred and fifty five miles of conveyor line meaning that if you lined up all the containers of this single facility of stretch from here to Jonesborough beyond basically. It costs them nearly seventy million dollars annually to run the to to provide electricity to these motors the economic impact here is that friction. Numerically is measured by something that's called the coefficient of friction which is indicated by this Creekwater mu the industry standard for that is zero point four if you decrease that a modest amount under zero point three this particular facility could realize ten point four million dollars in savings per year if you extend that down to a friction coefficient zero point one which is what we think we are going to be able to deal with this technology you can realize thirty one point two million dollars in savings per year for this single facility the question then becomes what if you extend that to the entire UPS distribution network extend beyond that to FedEx and Amazon or even locally to some of these manufacturing facilities that I had civil slides ago. Really what I think that this is potentially a model for multi university and industry collaboration in state because now we're working with two of Arkansas as universities as well as a local company that just happens to be the largest conveyor manufacturer in the state combining cutting edge material science research experience in tech entrepreneurship and industrial scale up for utilizing these competencies to address an issue that space by major Arkansas based industry in that we were keeping everything in house and not letting any tax revenue leave or anything like that. The thank you for your time and I will gladly entertain any questions. Senator Solomon you're recognized for a question thank you so appreciate the work you're doing with actual they're great company there locally in Jonesboro so do you are I guess any of the three D. all work much with the department of commerce for grants and funding not that I know of I've never solicited any grants from them and to my knowledge mint has not either a Mr that may be the end of the question maybe miss Markham can come forward and speak to that point a little bit. Thank you. Thank you senator Hammer you're recognized for a question. Thank you Mr how much did you say they spend a year on electricity seventy million dollars just to run the conveyors so that's external to your that's not including anything else just the conveyors at that single facility. And. Just what did you say you can do to cut their electrical cost estimated that if you can reduce the friction coefficient zero point one it will save thirty million dollars per year okay so as an industry are they receptive to working with you on that research because yeah they they provided a letter of support for this particular application the S. F. which is funded. Okay And I'm just I'm just curious I'm going back to the previous conversation with the other two gentleman the conveyor belts what what what are they made out of. Usually some kind of polymer material there's a very large A variety of materials hydro uses a polymer type material that the bill that that runs over to rollers for example. I'm just curious if there's any way all those used tires can be converted into something that could go into those conveyors hi and somehow develop a new product line because I was thinking it was something along that line I'm just maybe to all to get together talk or I'm just stupid one but it just seems like that would be a maybe a natural fit for that possibly but I agree thank you thank you. Thank you senator and and thank you professor really appreciate it I have no more questions but I would would like to follow up on Senator Solomon's request and asked Dr Markham if she could take a couple of questions. Morning thank you Mr chair Maria Markham director of the division of higher education and I'm happy to answer any questions. Senator Solomon thank you Dr Markham just from your knowledge we've heard all these projects have some great ideas and we department of commerce spends a lot of money bringing in industry and businesses from other states and around the world millions and millions of dollars and we've got some projects right here that could use some funding so does the department of commerce reach out to hire it and said you guys have any good ideas we can find in comparison to traveling to other countries in other regions and trying to bring in industry and I'm gonna give kind of a qualified answer on that yes and no I serve on the it used to be the asked aboard notice the science and technology a ward of the department commerce and that's really the extent of my knowledge and we do have a commercialization section of that board that I serve on as well so we do here request for funding a lot of its federal pass through money for high technology type innovation to be commercialized and lots of grants are given it's not always connected necessarily with higher ed sometimes it's just you know a resident of the State of Arkansas who has either a existing product there that they're trying to bring to market or it could be someone who is looking to start marketing commercializing a product that they've developed so there is some intersection there with higher education but is not necessarily a solicitation to higher ed for you know marketing and of those types of innovations yeah I'm I'm going to send the text shortly to Mr Preston and I'll copy you on that text I think we need to get together as the representative said and sit down and talk about how the department of commerce is helping to fund some of these projects equally to how we reach out to other states in other regions to bring industry and some great ideas off and I deal with the out of state. Issue I'm only dealing with Arkansas businesses in Arkansas products so I don't know what happens on the other side of that but you know there is a section of of Commerce that does deal with commercialization of research and that's worth having a conversation thank you thank you Mr. Thank you senator and thank and thank you this Markham We've got one more question is this for Senator is this for a. Dr Martin all right you're recognized for a question thank you Dr Markham whenever these research products. Objects take place and if they should turn into patents or anything that you know produces maybe a return on investment where does that money go. As how's it reinvested back into this research department secretary grabbed up by the budgets of the universities or how does that happen I'm going to again I think it depends largely on the contractual agreement with the researcher where there is a student or faculty member if there's a patent and it's the property of the institution or if there's some kind of shared agreement then the profits of that could go in different directions sometimes all of it may go to the institution of as with the science and technology board the grants that we do depending on the funding source sometimes there's a return back to the state to continue to fund those those proper new projects in the future to help keep that revolving Fund flush with cash that we can start to make new grant awards so it it does depend depends on the type of contract that either the researcher the student enters into or just saying about doctor Fleming and if you can go in there to save them the difference between seventy million down to it I would hope that you would capitalize on that and I'd like to yeah I just like to know if there is any capitalization either on research that's done you know what tires are right sure in the subjects have been talked data somehow know that makes it back into the research departments and doesn't get swept off into any of the other accounts of the university to kind of self sustain those research projects that Fleming you have any thoughts on that so here share from from my experience it depends on the institution when I was at the university of Arkansas and we were going through this process. You know technically most of the innovations would be owned by the university but in our case they for whatever reason didn't think it was very strongly going to be able to be patented so they returned it to us and then we did all the legwork to patent it ourself so in a lot of cases it I guess it depends speak for my project directly hi troll has for example indicated that they're interested potentially in licensing the technology rather than owning the technology since we're working with them but then that would come down to you know. What is the U. of a thing that they own versus what is Arkansas State University think that they own persist the individual researchers. A. Thank come Dr Martin and you know if it's owned by the institution that it's really up to the institution how they spend the proceeds from that so part of that could go back and general operations part of it could be used for additional research projects it's you know that's kind of the at the discretion of that institution on how they're gonna reinvest so do keep a historical data on how it's been done in the past and how the money flows or is that anything that's ever been looked at as far as never been looked at from from a department level nine. Thank the shall we might could do absolutely yeah okay all right thank you thing that you're gonna get me in trouble saying that because I had to ask for a lot of information for the institutions but it it it it's available I'm sure we can do it over time that we can do it thank you. Thank you senator thank you Dr Markham and thank all of you for coming today I am sharing this information with us. Truly appreciated DO wanna let committee members and the general public know that our next meeting is currently scheduled for June thirteenth at one PM in room one five one. Seeing no further business we are adjourned.