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Senate. Welcome to the two of the. Plane the Amendment. Thank you Mr chair and I had a couple of my constituents and others said they couldn't here this morning so if I blow you away I'm just trying to be close to the Mike or they can here okay but I think the amendment hopefully will bring the satisfaction of the members that have expressed concern this morning and basically we have on stricken the language that was stricken previously that now would say as soon as early voting absentee or individual precincts results are tabulated but no later than twenty four hours so upon the completion expediency that it should you know if you get done six hours that's when it comes out and I hope this meets the satisfaction of the committee. Go ahead senator Biden thank you Mr I was under the impression that the amendment might include the language that would allow for. Devided electronic tabulation devices other than the DS two hundred. Is that a mistake or did we purposely leave that out amendment I don't think it was purposely left out but my understanding what I committed was that we would address the issue around the twenty four hours I did not remember committing to do the other okay thank you thank you. The questions. C. nine the what's really Committee Amendment. Motion to adopt by Senator flowers second by Senator Dotson all in favor say aye. All opposed Like sign thank you senator. Your mum has been adopted thank you. The Is there any more questions on the amendment the document as amended. See not the we have missed my head is this were we can ask further questions yes for the moment you can go to for so on this D. S. two hundred tabulator that is the only one that's going to be approved. Aw. How does. Report. The result is that to the local officials or is that something transmitted electronically to another location. No it's locally they upload them to a founder of which they take back to a central count if that's how the county does that they have that option that is loaded to the thunder which takes is taking this into account and then the always the the main results in the ballots remain in the custody of the counties we only get what's up loaded and before they certify they verified those results back to what they counted in audited and we never have control of the balance or the main election results computer so it would remain possible for the county to compare the results. That came out of that chronically to the paper ballots that are retained in the in the bottom of that machine yes senator pay may keep custody of the ballots for at least twenty four months and then they have the the main tabulation laptops in through control and none of that they were connected to the internet. And do they maintain the authority to. Account those paper ballots axis is paper ballots without a court order yes Sir okay thanks at their discretion thank you thank you Mr thank you senator during the other questions. Seeing none we will come testimony for and against the will begin again with the against Donnie Scroggins. Mr chairman excuse myself to serve the right. Push your buttons so that. Mr struggling just introduce yourself and and who you're with us and you're what you're recognized Donnie Scroggins of Truman which is in Poinsett County I'm just here as a citizen the studies election Terry to be known as for three years we just. The comments just made at the table I'm kind of I'm not sure if we have paper ballots and I feel mine and fill it in and walk over to the DS two hundred which of the S. six hundred nine hundred level machines six nine hundred are normally like and former county buildings Local facilities will bring everything together not at the county level We were talking about when you get a thumb drive under this two hundred some of poll worker in accounting we oppose oppose them we pull some drive out secure driver to the Clarkson the clerks they kept under a then they go to the SS laptop the plug in all the counties from drugs intimidate it aggregates then you'll have election worse offer sitting on the laptop you got the county's totals for the number of votes in the the tallies. Then at that point they have to pull the thumb drive out and have to go to another laptop and these are called upload files I've got copies of these authorities all the counties. to get your results. They may at that point C. on that laptop the numbers let me get on to the secretary state somehow email they're making terrain and whoever but they go to another laptop that's on land and then they upload that file that file does not go to Arkansas does not go to dot gov website it goes to Ian dot clarity clarity is a server sitting in northern Virginia this call clarity clarity is a company on the silo. Now we have caught this wishes contracts both these entities so now your vote has left the county in that ask the file we call it I got copies of. They go to clarity in L. center for a couple hours clarity shares on with a company called innocent by Edison this one to get your numbers on the TV screen. But clarity at some point. Either emails or since the results of your statewide vote back to the secretary of state in secretary St populates their website that's where you go in to see the vote for the county's that's how your vote travels now with this bill. We're. You fill in the bubbles a local to this two hundred. It's Kansas so they can have these numbers real quick okay my my legal Arkansas that piece of paper it drops down into the bin know the plot. Okay but I understand getting a quick tally with the S. two hundred they're worth the use of the S. six hundred eight hundred series but that's okay but the point is. The clarity picture left of the conversation while ago there's a big loop from Arkansas to clarity back to Arkansas. Now I know the counties may short circuit that by a. Sending the sos a report to say Hey were points as reported at ten thirty Jackson eleven twenty last time they talk about these machines being so fast I had those them drive turned in another him aggregated by eight thirty one was eleven twenty four saw the numbers Arkansas I was updating populated website quick enough I don't know that's one point I picked up the. Talk about seeing we go to pay a paper County. Right now if I want Poinsett County said show me my fight my ballot first of all it takes a court order for anybody now open that box up let in the city or county Clerk open a box of right now see what happens because you to get a court order has to be under spare very specific circumstances you'll never get a court order. I'm actually want to read a bill so we can there is no personal F. again five oh information on that balance in there there could be tied back to the data off election or system Texas other states let me look see the balance so it's a great idea right now I would love. And I would pray that if we want to Poinsett County took the primary from last year hand counted it and looked at him. And got a tally like we were doing here and it echoes the machine count I would pray that happens but just as here what happens if we get preliminary results. And then within twenty four hours a count of the ballots in those two numbers don't match. What we do is not addressed here so that's one thing we talked about counting in a big city versus a small city yeah Poinsett County is cut several thousand voters I ran paper elections back in the nineties and the I know how this stuff works I don't buy the argument about will House Polanski going to do it saline Faulkner will have the the the the nineties how do they can do it and I think we're that old yeah I'm sixty two so I don't I think we're just as good today accounting balances we were in the nineties but today were even talk about usually secure ballot so that leads me to page two. About lam one we get into the money. And this is really the main point I guess here's I'm not an attorney but it looks like we're saying if you go to paper Poinsett County we're not gonna pay for anything. But your machine county or things all all good with that not created disparity you got to groups of people you got you got machine people in paper people and you're penalizing the paper people to me is that not a the grounds for a lawsuit later on this like two classes of people with state money so that that's the other thing In line fourteen under item be it talks about the ETC's have to use the same provided us as approved by now I know I talked a lot a cities what happens if that secure about what if they don't two of the three don't lack it they don't approve one what it is they talk about the for what what do you do well Stacey's balk on that ballot style that you got it took sixty days to get here what do you to Senate approved and provided so that the city's there for whatever reason say I'm not gonna proving those those ballots there you go so what do you do what's what's the remedy their. In line twenty where we say they run through an electronic vote tabulation fast before you even hand count my simple question is why is that what are we trying to do here just get a quick number I mean you will get the number within twenty four hours that's what you're saying here. So we got twenty four hours in the twenty four hour period once a twenty four hours. If you don't do this you're gonna nail these County won't you make IT twelve. What you saying the twelve hire the people usually the higher to do it but you don't do that so I guessed twenty fourth just a a Thank pick their and it is a concern it says the sos you must use their equipment what if Poinsett County one use a simple battle machine. it looks like right now you can do that right. In Page three line sixteen. We get back into this clarity thing again. This is the animali shall transmit the results which I'm assuming that's the results of the scan the tabulator. This is by precinct which that's what we should be counted anyway. To the secretary state through the election not reporting anything interface I guess my question is I don't know is that the clarity interface. Or is that just for the county sends an email to write nemesis here's our totals here's our unofficial totals so last sixteen I don't know what they're trying to say there and at the level I'm at you know I know this is low and it's kind of general but I'm looking for specifics but when you say you got to do something and this is elections which are very important very important this is our future my grandkids future. But this elects not reporting interfaces that clarity I don't know. In line twelve talk about preliminary official results this is this bill Beyonce we have looked at all the other bills coming up these other twelve or fifteen. Everything is in here with the exception of the money thing is wrapped up these other bills so this is like a duplication. The stuff that speaks better all of the other bills I don't really get it why it was created and senator Payne Robson with points of mine what about the orders this is what I read this bill. Two people talking on the streets which believe not apply people social media on the streets. They they read this now say it I feel like now they don't want a school paper ballots that's what your populace is saying right now and so basically. That's what I'm observing that's what just I read in the bill Saunders sure that within the an entertaining questions on the thing basically. Thank you Sir question by Senator Hester. Well I don't have a question for the president urged have a motion after after he's done okay. Question questions Senator Blake. Are you touched on the cost of the paper ballots. With that part of the of the bill that says that that cost of the mayor the county will bear that cost do you interpret it to be just the cost of the paper ballot to the cost of the whole election or or something in between when I first read that and I read it now it's like you're going to place you go balance you're not pay for the machines the labor and you know we I think this is don't pay for elections up front and pay for certain actions but the county is where the calls then get reimbursed from the sos for certain only certain elections I got no problem with that when I when I read it is like fuel paper ballots you're on your own total that's it they just told Ballenger common machines a labor that's already too thank you thank you Mr. General questions. Sam Nunn thank you Sir Senator Hester members I make a motion that we limit each time for each Speaker two minutes each. Proper motion. Second by Senator flowers. Discussion discussion does that include the time that we may ask questions on okay thank you thank you Mr. Yes. The all in favor say aye aye All opposed like sign. Thank you senator. The the next the presenter for is a Leslie French. Lindsey French sorry. Introduce yourself and you're recognized thank you Mr chair Lindsay France with the association of Arkansas counties and I hope to not even take up two minutes of your time I did want to address some concerns by reporter senator Payton about the Secretary of State selecting the voting machines that is already in current law under seven five three oh one. and that was passed ACT twenty two thirty three of two thousand five so since two thousand five the only machines that could be used for those approved by the secretary of state so this is not a new thing in the law. I want to say the AC has no official position on this bill but all the feedback I received from county officials has been positive and they appreciate the clarity to the law that's currently not very clear to those who are not experts in election law. Some corn courts are being lobbied to go paper ballot only but they're not usually involved in elections election commissions handle those so they don't always know the unintended consequences that may come from going to all paper elections so this provides some clarity and that is appreciated and I think that's all I have for you unless you have questions. The questions. Seeing none thank you thank you. The third Speaker and this one against is Wayne beach. Is not not being here the. Next. The Speaker against would be Clint Lancaster. To introduce yourself and you're recognized thank you Mr chairman names Clint Lancaster I am an attorney in a lobbyist I represent the Arkansas voter integrity initiative I would give you my credentials but the Arkansas times would make fun of me again I am an of by all consideration election law expert having done election law in Wisconsin Utah consulting cases in Pennsylvania Michigan Georgia. and I'm here not be can also want to say I'm a big fan of senator Hammer I do not know a bigger election law championed then senator Hammer however there is a constitutional right to vote on paper ballots it's in our constitution and that's why we have statutes that allow for voting on paper ballots this twenty four hour requirement chills that constitutional right it almost makes it to where it's not possible to even be exercised I think that's problematic I think that there are better ways to make our election secure the DS two hundred tabulators and ES and S. software I will tell you that nobody I know of knows how he SNS software works I wrote the Legislative subpoenas for the Wisconsin special counsel asking them how their machines work and they told me withdraw your subpoenas or we will sue you that sounds like transparency to meet the same kind of transparency that miss Bellamy here advocated for when she advocated to shut down the Wisconsin special counsel's investigation by supporting a day at David Becker a George Soros minions so I would encourage you to be cautious with miss Bellamy's testimony. There are problems with this bill there are better ways to do it and I think that high security ballots will restore the confidence the electorate has in our elections and while I don't think this bill gets there I think it's a great effort but I ask that you voted no. Sir is there any questions. Seeing none procedure test thank you Mr chair. The For or next figure and is on the bill is Daniel Schultz. Thank you Mr chairman. The official state Election Commission. so I'm speaking on the bill the state board hasn't met to consider a position on this but we were Senator Hammer was kind enough to work with us on and I want to speak to to what it does from our perspective a couple things I think are important based on the conversation to to bring out one the twenty four hour rule applies to the unofficial reporting the what what's online is always unofficial start the actual legal action results are just essentially a press release number two. Twenty four hour at the polling site is important because you can't take a polling site indefinite period of time there is no twenty four hour in this bill as I read it that applies to a central count model so if you count of the central county not bound by twenty four hours twenty four hours simply applies to a precinct count and of course the unofficial results since the main thrust of the bill is to have the The information available in a timely manner you've got to wait on the the the hand count to be completed to get preliminary results and and I and and I will always reserve the right to be wrong but it's for the reimbursement my read of it would be since the machines are already acquired if you're simply using the equipment we already have the the cost that would be reserved to the counties would be the cost of the paper ballots this is my read on the. Not take any questions yes great question by senator Biden. So on the cost of the machines obviously are going to last forever in there they're going to break down the maintenance so it would be more than just the paper ballots or do you interpret the replacement and repair and maintenance to be something that would be covered by the state the statement was of course based on the current status the machines are present in all the counties you know in the past what how those machines required were we're a division of of X. of expenditures between county state and federal so I think we would have to to cross that bridge when we got there but that wasn't that wasn't part of what I contemplated I made the statement okay and you mentioned to. To accomplish the twenty four hour. Stay within the twenty four hour rule that they might be necessary to have a central counting location is that doing it at the precinct level with that mean we would transport ballots that were not counted no Sir that's not a person well I think you either have to transport the ballots in the original instance to sue the central count count them there or comply with the twenty four hour rule if you do your account as a precinct count of that you said the prior section some five six of two contemplates three possibilities one of which is paper ballots cast a polling site and counted in the central location the twenty four hour hour rule only applies to seven five six oh three as I read the bill that being the counting paper ballots to the polling site that would be a twenty four hour mandate to complete your hand count if you use the county central facility rather than somebody else's church or business or something like that thank you have one more. So it was brought up this is a section to where it says that the Balance must be approved. And provided instead just saying provided of it was brought up what happens if they're not approved so than in time frame of getting ready before the election date what what happens when they're not approve. I I agree with that I'm not sure he said earlier that the CBC already is required to approve the balance there they have to set the legal obligation to create them which implies approval this often are not approved if the if they received and their sound to be some sort of an air but we're talking you know a racist left off something like that and then you simply have to move as fast as possible to get correct ballot set available it with the again with much repeatedly as you can but the only content the only time I would ever imagine about would be approved as if it was incorrect. So I have a legal obligation to approve correct ballot. Service to testimony then that the addition of of the word approved there is really doing nothing to change. Seizure I hesitate to say that but I will say that my think that's probably correct because I would say the CBC all currently has an obligation to approve the ballot since their responsibility create them and they're in an entity so that would mean they would be to provide okay thank you Mr. Thank you any other questions Senator Dotson. Thank you Mr chairman at I just pulled up the The part of the code it's not in the bill but seven five six oh one related to paper ballots. I mean the bill starts with adding a section F. but there's obviously a B. C. in the before that which is not being repealed so There was testimony that said that there's a constitutional right to a paper ballot I don't know for sure if that's accurate or not but this is not repealing any paper ballot legislation so there there still is paper ballots within our code. Regardless of this passes or doesn't pass yeah yes I you know I'm I'm not going to speculate a constitutional bit but there is a statutory power to form court has to adopt a paper head count in this would leave that and change thank you. Any other questions. Seeing none will will go on to our next testimony is by Jennifer Lancaster. The going to Eugene Jamison. Introduce yourself and you're recognized. A good bar good afternoon nap my name's Eugene Jamison I'm a long time residents lane counting of my senators Kim Hammer I am a representative is Lanny Fite. I appreciate the opportunity to speak today in opposition to this B. two fifty as written as I am very much in favor of election integrity one thing seems clear from the two thousand twenty and twenty two elections is many states of election integrity issues whether it be from electronic voting machines vote harvesting or lack of updated voter rolls election integrity issues always occur before election and once votes are cast issues can't or won't be addressed once election has occurred is to tell two thousand twenty three legislative body has the privilege and obligation to address all election integrity issues and ensure issues observed in other states not occur here in Arkansas this body has a chance for Arkansas to become the model for election integrity for other states to follow. Why is B. two fifty appears to be an honest attempt to ensure election integrity by counties that meet using paper paper ballots to an electronic voting machines this bill as written may inadvertently discourage the use of paper ballots by current election officials in several counties groups of voters have indicated they don't trust electronic voting machines because who they voted for sprint as proprietary barcode on the ballot and that barcodes in red by the tabulator voters have no confidence that there they voted that who they voted on is correct because they can't read the bar codes. That is only one of several issues with electronic voting machines that are valid concern for voters in Arkansas especially when voter so with his issues and other state states with the electronic voting. And many of those states using electronic voting machines purchased from the same company orders were. one of the items are concerned is it the bill is section one item of G.. There are secure ballots that can be purchased involved with ultraviolet remarks. Sir your time is up the jury questions from the committee. Reservations are can I ask him if he would. Finish that last statement on item G.. Someone there are secure ballots that can be purchased and involved with ultraviolet water market several states related items such as a state issue on the paper making it very difficult to duplicate much like my piece of money placing this costs on each individual county is not cost effective a consideration might be the secretary of state would purchases paper it is my understanding it would cost less to fall and bill. And have a can a controlled issuance to ensure paper security that to the county's choosing to use paper ballots in in the actual printing of the ballots can be there of the the responsibility County that's what is commonly done I didn't know what was thank you thank you Mr president questions. Thank you for your testimony. Next is colonel Conrad Grinnell's. Is introduce yourself and you're recognized thank you very much Sir Mr chairman moneys coral Conrad rentals most of you know me or part of me by now obviously I'm not for this bill at all a little background in army intelligence officer spent thirty years the military I'm the founder of the Arkansas military veterans hall of fame I believing I believe in our country and I believe in our state and I believe that this system that we currently have is broken I didn't believe that seven or eight months ago did not I thought our system was working properly in but after the primary last year I started doing some the the dating for seven months I read about everything I could possibly read I consider myself an expert on this issue and I will tell you the system we have right now it's not transparent it's not accurate and there's no accountability this is the system that we have I would ask all of you become experts in our voting system if you don't know about the SNS if you don't know who that company is if you don't realize that those we don't even know who owns it S. McCarthy group we don't know the investors McCarthy group we have no idea the people that run our elections at all we can't read Marco this is what I found that would look like I don't who meet the of the drives are but if you look at that that's what a regular ballot looks like that top portion or bar codes that's what you bring read by the DS two hundred not the names below it doesn't read it I have no way to confirm who I voted for none except for perhaps a risk limit audit or some other little thing that they said the two to make me believe it works we have no way of knowing every every cybersecurity expert that I've spoken with the last seven months tells me that same thing we have no idea of the code that that machine uses so why do we want to go to paper ballots fire the county screaming for that we got two groups of people that will machines are one of the suburbs of people first one. The machines they trust them they think that they work even though I just showed you we don't know what they're what they're counting we cannot see the code were not allowed no one could see the cold. Sir your time has expired I'll be glad to talk to anybody at any time question by Senator Payton. I voted. And I made my selections yes Sir and it printed out a paper ballot with names on all right I don't remember seeing anything that looked like those barcodes its owner it's on every of the ballot comes up from the express full that's what you see this. So when I voted I I carried that paper ballot that had the names of the four marked yes Sir over to a machine invented in correct and I'm confident that that paper ballot was retained in the base of that machine that's correct so. I have had. Have you ever asked for and been denied the opportunity to count those ballots in the bottom of that machine and compare them to the results. Okay there's two things issue here one is the express code itself and that is the touch screen that we use it is proven and I've got the studies from Berkeley from Princeton from Harvard that will show you that the voter intent is not captured on the touch screen like it is on a paper ballot like this is not ninety eight percent of people no in fact they made a mistake here it's not true on the express vote. Don't tell me why but if you're driving down the road and you don't see a motorcycle is right in front of you it's similar to that that you don't see if there's a mistake on the machine it's a problem so the answer is yeah that prints all the answer is that ballot they called about is not a valid by the way it's a ballot summary sheet that's what is about some record that's what ESPN's culture because it doesn't have all the selections on it it goes in that machine and yes it is held in that machine you can go count that but the secretary of state's office only done one on it and then we'll do a one machine they don't do not primaries they don't know I guess I should shorten my question yes Sir thank you Mister. My question is. Have you ever requested. That those. Whatever you call in paper. results or printed off and fed to the tabulator have you ever requested that they be audited and compared I did not have not okay thank you thank you Mr there any other questions. C. nine thank you Sir. Thank you appreciate it. The next is Laurie. Justice justice. No. All right. That is the end of the testimony that I see is or anybody else. Do what. You come on down. Of this Mister. Sorry about that I just missed it when a road. S. the button and I'm not all right thank you Sir. self you're recognized Kenny Wallace not representing any organization just want to speak a little bit on the. The look and feel of SB two fifty I've been involved in a lot of elections I'm actually celebrating member state in part by getting of looking at a lot of the political service and happening today and literally uploading video of what happened in the Senate with the SP two nine four earlier Regarding SB two fifty and one of the things I did film AT sometime ago was the ballot counting process in Pulaski County when they had the damage ballots you go to keep Arkansas legal in time and type in the term Pulaski County damage ballots you can see that process it made me the most exciting thing but it is and it's not it's tedious but at least you have some accountability and I also observed the Pulaski County Election Commission when they had hearings in this very room regarding what happened in the Pulaski County elections and so while paper ballots and maybe as I said before TSN kind of time consuming. I believe it's at least somewhat of a way to hold some people accountable on a local level if something goes wrong regarding the machines I I actually looked up the Arkansas delayed elections this is seen it turns out in Phillips county in twenty twenty two that was some kind of delay it was some messed up with the machines I'm not sure what exactly happened but It's in one machine having one failure either by deliberate sabotage or by and you know mechanical failure can cause a delay and and the but the stories posted December nineteenth twenty twenty two so they certainly did not make the twenty four hour mark now regarding that election so I'll I like that aspect of having guidelines are going paper ballots but I feel right now to SP two fifteen its current form seems to be like a bill that discourages then this a county switching from the SS machines which a lot of people are becoming less trustworthy enough to paper ballots. On another note I will thank you Sir. That. Hello the many questions are different I think that I'll direct that thank you is there any questions from members. The questions from the members. Thank you Sir thank you for having let me to speak. The. Senator Hammer. You like to closure your bill yes Sir and I respect committees time other much appreciate you sticking around on Thursday afternoons we get this resolved hopefully I do wanna make sure that we stress a couple things first of all starting last night I want to point this out starting last night about six forty five my phone absolutely blew up I got I got text messages and calls from Vermont. The Minnesota Oregon Connecticut Indiana Ohio I will jury Florida Texas California Ohio Maine Utah Nebraska I'm sure if you all got those too because last night about six forty five I guess Mr Lindell felt it was important to get into our business in the state of Arkansas and he posted my personal information upon the Linville report and as a result of that my phone started blowing up a to what irritates me about that what you're tasting about that is we got a group of people that say that we need to get elections fix that we need to make sure the people are meddling in our elections but yet we got people are coming in the State of Arkansas meddling with our elections elections that I just want to point out to you what Trent Minter said from his last election which was very highly contested race against No representative McGee down there in Faulkner County this is what he said I want to thank the Faulkner County Election Commission its staff and Faulkner County Clerk Margaret order for their diligence together they promptly addressed the campaign's request for a recount Walker county in the state of Arkansas should be proud of their work these are people we live with okay I don't know about these people up in Nebraska I don't buy into that just be quite honest with you because right here I have in front of me an attorney general's report that was released yesterday from Arizona a Democrat Attorney General who released a Republican controlled legislature or a attorney general's report that said in Arizona Hey things turned out okay but yet that report got suppressing got buried somehow or another and there it is if you wanna read I'll be glad to share with you and so I want to go on and finish saying what Trent Minter said he said while the results of the recount did not change the outcome of the race the transparency and speed with which they accomplish the recount leaves nothing to be desired we're fortune Faulkner County have such professionalism and integrity in our elections the commission the clerk's office and their staff have shown themselves to be a model for the. As to the state Arkansas can be proud of knowing that every lawful vote was counted every voice was heard and that we are blessed to live in a country free and fair elections now I don't know how Mr mentor feels about this bill but what he says in context is we ain't broke don't fix this limit to what the heritage foundation said Zacks Smith a heritage legal fellow said that Arkansas election procedures excel in two key areas it's voting machines are never connected to the internet and there is a paper trail that can be reviewed during an audit recount of which we audit our elections and they have come out a hundred percent accurate tied into the name to the actual audit we have just passed a bill I think out of committee where we are going to if everything works right give our election board commission or the ability to go into fifteen counties and also to audit we've got what we need to assure that the machines that we have are working properly the he goes on to say Smith said the hand counts aren't practical particularly in urban areas County ballots by hand is necessarily going to be more labor as and prone to human error and more difficult to do accurately and quickly he said I'll be glad to share this in case anybody wants to call the question that I read that or the source of what I said this bill simply make sure that what some people want not every county wants but if the county wants it that it establishes a pair process and accountable process and if you choose to do that and you are a single County you are to counties why should all the other counties in the state that feel totally confident in what we have have to bear the burden for your decision to break away from what is already a proven system that has yet to be. Found flawed. Why should the rest the counties have to do that for someone who's concerned about outside interference in elections certainly they've gone to great lengths to interfere with our state that has a reputation of being in the top six we use before but then some other states to our ideas and that pushed us down to six why should we let them interfere with our election process in the state of Arkansas that is proven to be effective secure and safe as given by somebody who got beat. That's it if I haven't convinced about now members in the state I don't know what else I need to say but I appreciate your diligence and thank you for staying around on this afternoon to bring this to a decision thank you senator Any discussion from the Committee. Seeing none what's the will of committee. Motion by as as amended motion is amended by Senator Hester. Second by Senator Dotson all in favor say aye. I'm just started with discussion all in favor say aye hi All opposed Like sign. Thank you senator you've passed your bill thank you Mr chairman members committee.