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February 2, 2011
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Representative Buddy Lovell Unverified 0:00
And the administrative cost and all the equipment that they spend is charged to this one account that she is the administrator of. The Public Service Commission is the one that directs how much they can charge at any one time, plus the Public Service Commission is the one that tells them that they can charge one cent, two cent, or three cent. There's a provision in the law that says that if at any time that they have in an account balance more than where they've reached three times the annual budget, then they have to quit charging altogether. And since this will increase the collections dramatically almost two to one, then the commission has agreed to take it to a penny as of July the 1st, as has the director of TAP. Follow-up question. Will the
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Representative Mark Biviano Unverified 0:54
same cap, even though they're changing the rate, still be in place? It will. Even if they exist? Okay. It
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Representative Buddy Lovell Unverified 1:01
will. The effect of this will be that we'll reach the three-year cap longer. Once they reach the three-year cap to where they can no longer charge because they've got three years of budget in the account, then they have to wait until it gets down to a year and a half before they can charge it again. So with the additional
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Representative Fred Allen Chair Unverified 1:24
wireless, it will get there quicker. Thank you. Vice
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Representative Allen Kerr Unverified 1:30
Chair Kerry, you recommend I ask for a question. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Representative Lovell, okay, I just want to clarify this in my head. It says in the bill that they're going to charge $0.03 per line per month. Correct. But you said voluntarily they're going to take it down to a penny. Exactly. Okay. And that there is a cap on the amount of money they can hold in escrow or hold in the account. Right? That's true. Okay. because they're going to reduce this amount because there are so many more cell phones than phone lines nowadays that they don't feel the need to charge three cents.
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Representative Buddy Lovell Unverified 2:11
Exactly. Now, let me add to that. Just a comment, I think, in my first session down here in 07. There's another piece of this that this provides the equipment to the deaf and hearing impaired and speech impaired. Okay. There's another account that provides the service, and it's run by a different board. And we were charging. I was on that board at the time, matter of fact. And we were able to charge up to $0.10 per line to provide the service. And when we did the same thing, we added wireless to it and started charging wireless. we went to a penny on that service also for a period of time, and I believe it's still at a penny. Another reason and probably the biggest reason for asking that the wireless pay is that there are more people using wireless technology to talk to the deaf people, and there's a whole lot more texting being done, which means that the TAP program is buying wireless equipment and providing to the
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Speaker 13 3:25
deaf community. Okay. Can you tell me how many users or people that are
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Representative Allen Kerr Unverified 3:31
taking, that they're covering, in other words, how many deaf-impaired
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Speaker 22 3:36
people are they providing equipment to? Is there a number out there? I don't have
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Speaker 24 3:42
that number, Representative Kerr. Okay. And my
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Speaker 25 3:44
next comment was going to be that
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Representative Allen Kerr Unverified 3:47
And cell phones are readily available to just about everybody, and I haven't seen anything lately that doesn't text. Exactly. So I'm a little confused at what equipment they're providing. Before, they were providing TTY, basically the origination of texting, and now that is probably obsolete. So I'm a little confused at
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Representative Buddy Lovell Unverified 4:16
what they're buying for them. Well, they're still buying some TAP and TDD equipment, certainly less than they have been buying. They are buying more wireless equipment for the people. But with the technology going the way it is and even the plans that are going the way they are, when you get free text on certain plans, you get free text and free Internet and free whatever. are so many minutes free, what I see for the future is the service costs going down, which would affect the customer, and also the equipment costs going down, which would also affect the customer that's paying the surcharge per month. Okay. Thank you.
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Speaker 27 5:03
Representative Hyatt, you recommend I answer a question. Thank
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Representative Barry Hyde Unverified 5:12
you, Mr. Chairman. Representative Lovell, can you help me a little bit? And I'm sorry if you already made this presentation. As usual, I wasn't paying attention initially, so I apologize in advance. Tell me about the companies that this is going to affect. Is it the carriers? It's the landline? It's the cell phone? Tell me about those people and where they are on this. Is this their legislation, or are
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Representative Buddy Lovell Unverified 5:38
they against this, or are they for it? Give me that part of it. Probably the only people that could possibly be
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Speaker 33 5:48
for it, I mean, be against
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Representative Buddy Lovell Unverified 5:53
it, would be the consumer. The company, the nonprofit companies that have to pay for telephone lines are probably against it. AT&T, all the wireless companies are neutral and do not oppose. Of course, wire line companies do not oppose because they have been paying it for years. One of the reasons they don't oppose is that the charge is passed through to the customer. The customer pays the one penny that we are talking about to the telephone companies and And then it is submitted to actually DF&A collects it and then sends it in respect to the equipment. DF&A collects it and then sends it to rehab services to pay for this program.
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Representative Barry Hyde Unverified 6:45
MR. Okay. And then thank you. And then the second question, if I can, if I'm understanding your explanation, there's a mechanism built into the legislation and the existing law that provides that the maximum ever collected is three cents and as the fund builds and cost decrease or it balances, whatever the case is, then that amount is decreased to maintain a balance or until the balance of the cash fund, I guess, decreases and then it kicks back up to refill the fund. Is that? That's
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Representative Buddy Lovell Unverified 7:17
correct. So it's a maximum of three cents. Maximum of three cents per line and then if it gets to three times annual budget that tap then they have to quit collecting all together and they can only start back when it gets when that fund gets down to one and a half years a budget of average expenditure right historically okay thank you I
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Representative Barry Hyde Unverified 7:37
appreciate it thank you mr. chairman you represent bonnet
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Chair Unverified 7:40
you recognize for question thank you mr. chairman thank you mr. chairman
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Representative Mark Biviano Unverified 7:49
Ms. Lovell, currently, if you are hearing impaired, and we now have this tax in place, how are you? And you have a cell phone. Representative Viviana?
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Speaker 3 8:03
I thought you called for me. Barnett. I'm sorry. I thought you were mispronouncing my name. I'm just going
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Speaker 45 8:11
to give you the benefit of the doubt.
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Representative Jonathan Barnett Unverified 8:14
So you're being mispronounced. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I'm going to try to take his question plus some of my intelligent questions. Just wait and see. I've got some intelligent ones. Okay. Representative Lovell, I didn't necessarily hear who wants you to do this. Whose legislation? Somebody came to you? Who's for this? Who's
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Representative Buddy Lovell Unverified 8:45
behind it? Actually, the TAP program, the people that charge the $0.03 per wire line, and the reason for that is that as wire lines decrease, wireless increases, and part of the increase in expenses is due to buying wireless equipment to provide to the deaf community. so it seemed justified for the cost-causer to pay the cost. Okay. It would appear to
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Representative Jonathan Barnett Unverified 9:15
me that since more and more people are getting cell phones and there's more and more users, that the revenue stream would be much greater than it used to be. I mean, does the existing revenue stream, is it not enough to cover this? I mean, I don't know what the revenue stream has done, but it's got to have increased tremendously because of the amount of increase in usage of cell phones. So is there not enough
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Representative Buddy Lovell Unverified 9:49
money there presently to handle this? Thank you, Mitch. The TAP doesn't get extra money just because revenues go up in wireless. Right now they get nothing from wireless. Okay. Okay. Yeah, absolutely. the, I won't call any names, but the wireless companies certainly see revenues increasing on wireless because there's that many more wireless phones. But at the present time, any increase in revenues at one of the wireless companies does not affect this program because they do not
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Representative Jonathan Barnett Unverified 10:25
pay into this program. What about, you know, it says commercial mobile radio service. What about people that are using UHF systems, VHF systems, Marty phone patches, 800 meg SMUR systems? They do not count. They do not count.
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Representative Buddy Lovell Unverified 10:42
Do not count. Also, there's provision in there. It does not apply to prepaid accounts that you go into Walmart. They don't collect. They will not collect the three cents or one cent in the case after July 1st. they
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Speaker 54 10:59
will not collect it on prepaid
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Chair Unverified 11:03
wireless. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Representative Biviano. Are you sure? Thank
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Representative Mark Biviano Unverified 11:09
you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. How, Representative Lovell, how is it being handled today? We don't have a surcharge on wireless. So if you're hearing impaired and need a service,
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Representative Buddy Lovell Unverified 11:25
what's being done now? Right now, well, some of them are using wireless today by using text. But the traditional way that the deaf person would use would have the TDY equipment at home, and then a person calling them or them calling a person would go through the service that we provide, as I mentioned on the other side. But we called the relay operator, and then the operator would say, well, the deaf person would type in, and then the speaking person would talk to the operator, and then the operator would type back to the deaf person. But that was all on equipment stationary at home, TDY equipment at home. Now, deaf people are already using text to replace having to use that equipment that's at home. And that's basically one of the basic points of this bill.
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Chair Unverified 12:21
Okay. Thank you, sir. Representative Wesserman, you recognize my question? Thank
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Representative Bruce Westerman Unverified 12:26
you, Mr. Chairman. Representative Lowell, you mentioned a 3-to-1 cap, and in the impact statement it shows an estimated $840,000 maximum annual revenue gain. That's right. Okay. Is that saying that the current budget is at $280,000? No. That is saying, I think, I
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Representative Buddy Lovell Unverified 12:49
don't have a copy of that in front of me, but I'm sure it's down there in my packet. But I did see it. And what DF&A did is absolutely take the number of wireless phones, and what they estimated the wireless phones to be in the state of Arkansas is 2.909 million people, and they say 80 percent of those people have cell phones. They took that and they said each one would pay three cents for every month of the year and therefore they would derive $840,000 additional cost for this plant. Now that does not include the $340,000 that would come from the wire line side because they've got a million, two or so lines that are wired, hardwired in homes. But if you put those two together, if a single one-year snapshot that's done on this financial statement is absolutely true, but you then have to take into account that you won't collect that every year because once you get to the three-year max, then you have to quit charging. So then it would drop back down to whatever. Plus this is at three cents, and as I've said before, the director of TAP and the public service commission has committed to taking both to a penny july the first so that that would have to be revised so it would produce a third of that eight hundred and forty thousand in a year and my question is
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Representative Bruce Westerman Unverified 14:27
after the first year will the budget increase to eight hundred and forty thousand which would allow it to create increase to the cap to go up to like two and a half million the next time will the budget increases revenue again that that that
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Speaker 62 14:43
840 is not the budget okay that that's what's budgeted to
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Representative Buddy Lovell Unverified 14:48
be collected the budget the budget for tap is five hundred and seven thousand dollars a year for 2011 so what we're talking about is a million half dollars for three years that that would be the max that they could have in the account at any one time. Once they reach that, then they would have to quit charging until it got down to $750,000, and then they could start charging again. So adding wireless to the collection process of TAP, adding that to wire line does not increase the budget. It has no effect on the budget except to pay it faster.
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Representative Bruce Westerman Unverified 15:37
So the funds generated from the fee that's charged right now is not enough to meet the
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Representative Buddy Lovell Unverified 15:45
$507,000? It's meeting it right now. It's meeting it right now, but, I mean, that's what the balance they have
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Representative Bruce Westerman Unverified 15:55
in the account. Is there a shortage of equipment or any problems with
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Representative Fred Allen Chair Unverified 15:59
that right now? No. Okay. Representative Carman, you recognize
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Representative Les "Skip" Carnine Unverified 16:08
the question. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Representative Lovell, I'm having difficulty getting my hands around that, and that may be just me, but if the current assessment is, in fact, providing enough funding, and And I understand, I guess, part of it is obviously to make things even, we should also have this assessment on cellular rather than just all on landline. Is that what some of this is about? That's the driver behind the bill. That's the drive to make sure everybody is putting. If, in fact, it's meeting, why would we not, if we're going to get that kind of revenue, which is the $8.40 is an increase, why wouldn't we just start off with one cent and
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Speaker 72 17:06
drop it for everybody? I
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Speaker 73 17:08
thought I made it clear. This bill does
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Representative Buddy Lovell Unverified 17:13
not have an emergency clause in it, so it takes effect 90 days after we leave here. So I think I made it clear that it was going to drop to a penny beginning July 1st. So actually, in essence, the first time that
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Speaker 8 17:33
as soon as this goes into effect, it will be a
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Representative Les "Skip" Carnine Unverified 17:38
penny. what assurance as I've read I tried to read this real quickly but what assurance
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Speaker 72 17:47
would there be that it would drop to
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Representative Buddy Lovell Unverified 17:52
one penny I mean there's nothing in writing that says it will drop to a penny there's nothing there but the two people the two entities that control the surcharge and set the surcharge and the PSA being the one that approves, have said that they would agree to drop it to a penny, just as the wireless carriers have told me that they would not object to this assessment being put on wireless. Now, I also don't have that in writing. I
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Representative Les "Skip" Carnine Unverified 18:28
mean, I guess that's why I was having difficulty with this is because, I mean, And again, I certainly understand that you would, in fact, are intending for all that to happen based on your knowledge of the situation. Do we have someone here from the PSC, however, that would be able to confirm that that is their intention?
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Representative Buddy Lovell Unverified 18:55
I don't see John Bethel, which is the one that told me that he would do that.
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Representative Les "Skip" Carnine Unverified 19:03
Just one other comment, if I may. Here, go right ahead. You know, I think all of us are trusting, and obviously you're a man that I would trust that that would happen, and I trust that you've talked to everybody, but we also have had evidence in the past that things that were presented one way, and it could be circumstances, have changed, and so it didn't work out that way. And I think if we're increasing the cost to the consumer in this bill, then I think we ought to have some assurance from those bodies that that's exactly what's going to happen besides you. In fact, I would think you would want them to testify to that effect since you're the one presenting the bill for them. But
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Speaker 63 19:54
that's my personal opinion. Let me comment on that.
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Representative Buddy Lovell Unverified 19:57
I guess I get a little bit of comfort in the fact that if they do not abide by what they've told me, then they absolutely have the opportunity to go up to $0.03 or start off $0.03 on wireless. It's already $0.03 on the wire line. My comfort comes from if they stay at $0.03, then we're going to reach the $1.5 million pretty quickly. and then it will go to zero. And that is in statute to where that they could not go down, not when it gets to three years of budget, then it has to go to zero. So my comfort level is if they go to a penny, we'll get to the $1.5 million slower. But if they stay at three cents and go against what they've told me, that if we stay at three cents, then we'll be at the three million or one and a half million dollars quicker, and then we'll go to zero, so we end up paying the
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Representative Les "Skip" Carnine Unverified 21:08
same amount of money. Come right in. Mr. Chairman, again, I was having difficulty getting my arms around this, but what you're saying is it's already in statute on the one and a half million? It's already there? It is. Okay. And so that, in fact, is the trigger on it then? Exactly. Okay. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Vice Chair
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Speaker 25 21:33
Curry, you recognize the question? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Lovell,
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Representative Allen Kerr Unverified 21:38
is there anything to regulate from what Representative Carnot was saying and the way you answered it? Is there anything to regulate the speed at which they spend that money out of that account? Because, yes, they'll reach the $1.5 million faster, but what
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Representative Buddy Lovell Unverified 21:58
if they start spending it faster? There's nothing that – I guess the budgeting process for rehab services could determine how fast they could spend that, which we have to – it goes through joint budget just like like every other agency, but there is not any – to my knowledge, there is not any statutes that say that they can only increase 5 percent a year, whatever they – they base it pretty much on the need of the people that apply for the equipment and then provide the
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Speaker 87 22:38
equipment. Okay. All right. And my
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Representative Allen Kerr Unverified 22:41
other question is, having just received my cell phone bill in the mail by UPS yesterday, Very large bill. Most of these cell phone companies give the equipment away. I mean, for very little or, you know, they run specials and things like that. AT&T, if a hearing-impaired person went down to AT&T, I guarantee you they'd find some way to get that person a phone. Does this pay for their cell phone
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Representative Buddy Lovell Unverified 23:09
bill or just the equipment? Just the equipment. It doesn't pay for the bill. Okay. Okay. Is
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Representative Allen Kerr Unverified 23:16
there any kind of special equipment they need other than a hearing impaired person would need as far as texting goes? Is there anything special that they need that
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Representative Buddy Lovell Unverified 23:27
we wouldn't be able to get them on an open market? Not to my knowledge. I believe texting will probably do away, eventually will do away with the need for TDY, but as that occurs, the free service offered by the wireless carriers is going to save the state money because each wireline provider and each wireless phone right now is paying toward the service. So every text that comes from a deaf person or to a deaf person is going to save a penny, is going to save a minute or whatever minutes on the service which is billed on a per minute basis ok
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Speaker 13 24:16
so what you're saying is they're billed differently than
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Representative Allen Kerr Unverified 24:19
a person who is not hearing impaired is that
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Speaker 24 24:30
correct I don't understand that question ok Okay. Well, the explanation you
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Representative Allen Kerr Unverified 24:35
were giving me there is – it sounded like they were being billed
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Representative Buddy Lovell Unverified 24:39
differently. Okay. The service side is a completely different animal, although the wireline people and wireless people are paying on a per number basis a set amount. And that's up to 10 cents, could be up to 10 cents per line per month. And that service is negotiated on a per minute of used spaces with the relay service. So if a deaf person used a wireless telephone to send a text in lieu of making a phone call or going through the relay service, then we save a minute of charge, which runs a dollar And when I left the board, it was like $1.32 a minute for the service. So if they run a tax, then we save $1.32 or $1.37 per minute on the service. Therefore, the charge for service to the wireline and the wireless customer will eventually go
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Speaker 87 25:48
down. Okay. Well, my only concern is that since this is a dying, the need
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Representative Allen Kerr Unverified 25:55
for this is dying away, why are we looking for ways to increase the dollar amount that we need to provide for that function? Why can't we not just let that drift away as those things? and that will give the incentive for the Public Service Commission to utilize more up-to-date equipment and services and so forth. That doesn't
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Representative Buddy Lovell Unverified 26:22
cost them anything. A couple of reasons, Ed. I don't know how that you could hurry it up to get there. I understand what you're saying. But the TAP program is buying wireless equipment for these people to make the transition happen. And I think all efficiencies that are achieved in moving it over to the wireless side is going to save us money on the service side. and the reason it's moving is because of wireless coming in and back to one of my earlier comments I just believe that the cost causers should pay some of the cost Right and we don't know how many hearing impaired people there are in Arkansas do we? No I don't have that number I could get
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Speaker 22 27:19
it for you but I don't have it. I really wouldn't appreciate that Thank you Mr. Chairman Thank
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Representative Fred Allen Chair Unverified 27:25
you Mr. Lovell. Representative Burnett do you
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Representative Jonathan Barnett Unverified 27:30
reckon I ask a question? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Representative Lovell, I think some of us, it would help us if we had a pie chart or something. You could just display it up there and we could see this kind of where the revenue is coming from right now. And we get a cell phone bill every month. All the add-ons in the bottom is a tremendous amount. And I think I understand most of it, but I could probably use another little quick education on it. So, like Representative Carnine said, this is hard to get hands around because my question still is, is there revenue from one of these other sources that could just be transferred? Do we have sufficient revenue in other areas that there could be a transfer? Okay. I understand that this is a parity issue, okay, and that is that the wireless customers haven't been paying up to this point. And it's all been paid by the hardline customers to this point. That's correct, right? That's correct. Okay. So I guess my question is, when you look at all the revenue from all those additional costs, is there not some revenue stream that can be transferred laterally to help take care of some of this,
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Representative Buddy Lovell Unverified 28:52
or it's just not there? There could be a revenue stream somewhere, and I have no idea where that could be because by statute, this TAP program was set up. It includes three employees, which are budgeted within the program, and all the rest of the money, except for the employee salaries and their benefits, all the rest of the money is spent for equipment. I guess you could back up to the basic bottom line is that if you go buy a cell phone and your wireless company asks you if you want to pay $5 extra for unlimited text and you say no, then you have no text. I guess the bottom line would be that the TAP program could say that since wireless is not paying for anything, then we're not going to allow any purchases of wireless equipment to be given to deaf people. So all we're going to have left is TDY and TDD equipment that we're going to pay for, and then we won't need any more money. Then that money is going to go down, down, down, and you won't see it on any bill. Thank
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Representative John Catlett Unverified 30:28
you. Representative Cantley, you recommend to ask a question? Thank you, Mr. Chair. Representative Lovell, are the needs of the hearing impaired, are they met today with the surcharge we presently have? And I'll have a follow-up for you. They are. They are met. They are met. They don't need anything. as of today. All the needs are met.
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Representative Buddy Lovell Unverified 30:46
Exactly. They continue. There's continually more deaf people, more speech impaired people that are needing help. But the ones that
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Speaker 54 30:56
have been identified and needed, the needs are being met. Thank you. And a follow up
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Representative John Catlett Unverified 31:02
question, sir. In the next biennium, these next two years, do you foresee any problems with meeting the requirements of the hearing impaired? No, I don't.
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Representative Marshall Wright Unverified 31:16
Thank you, Mr. Chair. Representative Wright, you're right to ask for a question. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Representative Lovell, tell me if I'm wrong here. The basics are that people are not using the landline equipment, so we're losing funding. But the hearing impaired are going to still need the funding to not buy the old equipment but buy the new equipment, and so there's still going to be that need there. And as people transition from the landlines, we're losing that income, and so we need income from the wireless. Is that correct?
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Chair Unverified 31:46
That's correct. Thank you. Representative Wilkins, do you recognize the question? Thank you, Mr.
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Representative Butch Wilkins Unverified 31:56
Chairman. Representative Lovell, I want to kind of hit on the same point that Representative Wright just asked about. Conceptually, here's how I see it. Ten years ago, in my family, we had two cell phones and three landlines. Five years ago, we had two landlines and three cell phones. Today, we have one landline and five cell phones. We've got more cell phones, less landlines. Therefore, the revenue from landlines is decreasing over time, but the sale usage is increasing. Therefore, if you shift some of the costs there, then the program can adequately be funded. Is that right? That's correct. Thank you.
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Representative Mark Biviano Unverified 32:56
Representative Viviano. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Point of clarification, Representative Lovell, I thought you said earlier in the conversation that the program was
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Representative Buddy Lovell Unverified 33:09
being adequately funded today. Is that correct? It is. Okay. A follow-up on Representative Wilkins, if that's what you're referring to, it's being adequately funded by maximum charge on wireline that does not stop out there because it doesn't reach the three-year budget because of the decline in wireline funds. Okay. Another question. Is
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Representative Mark Biviano Unverified 33:38
there any chance that the current budget, you said, is the program is three employees and all other funds are spent on equipment, correctly? Correct. Is the fund ever operated a surplus? us is there any chance that they'll go in and ask
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Representative Buddy Lovell Unverified 34:00
for a budget increase there's always chance to ask for a budget increase of which as I explained I think the legislature can control to a certain point it was my understanding and talked talking to the director of tap that they did not anticipate having to have more money right now, which is where I came back with them agreeing with me verbally to go down to a penny July the 1st, and the process has that the director of TAP has to go to the PSC and request that it be a penny, two pennies, or three pennies, and both have agreed that it would go to a penny July
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Representative Mark Biviano Unverified 34:50
the 1st. Yeah, but we've established that the opportunity for that penny to be a different amount obviously could be. That's exactly right. I guess my concern is we're setting up a revenue stream that perhaps will allow for a budget increase in terms of number of resources administered or the program.
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Speaker 104 35:09
So that would be a concern of mine. I just said
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Representative Buddy Lovell Unverified 35:15
through joint budget this morning, and I saw a lot of stuff sent to special language personnel. and I can assure you that if that if there was a position added or anything like that to somebody in this astute group of the hundred of ninety eight people would catch that I'd like
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Speaker 90 35:36
to make a motion for immediate consideration. Okay.
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Speaker 108 35:39
That is appropriate. None. Give it 30 minutes. It's none debatable. What's the pleasure of the committee? Got
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Speaker 93 35:50
to vote on the motion. Okay. Yeah.
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Chair Unverified 35:59
Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.
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Representative Buddy Lovell Unverified 36:07
Okay. Okay. Okay. all in favor opposed I respectfully offer a due pass on my house bill 1062
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Representative Fred Allen Chair Unverified 36:14
that's a proper motion anybody wants to speak for or against all in favor let it be no let it be known by saying I all in favor opposed motion passed bill passed Since we don't have any further business, we adjourn until Friday.
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HB1062

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Adjournment

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Representative Buddy Lovell Unverified
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Representative Mark Biviano Unverified
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Representative Fred Allen Chair Unverified
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Representative Allen Kerr Unverified
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Representative Barry Hyde Unverified
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Chair Unverified
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Representative Jonathan Barnett Unverified
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Representative Bruce Westerman Unverified
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Representative Les "Skip" Carnine Unverified
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Representative John Catlett Unverified
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Representative Marshall Wright Unverified
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Representative Butch Wilkins Unverified
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