ALC-JBC Budget Hearings (9a-11:30A)

For these advance payments. One of the contractors became an agency employee during the term of a contract resulting in an additional overpayments totalling two thousand seven hundred and twenty six dollars. And finally because of an oversight during the contract amendment process one of the contractors was paid an additional twenty five thousand five hundred dollars. Thank you Mr chair that concludes the summary of the audit findings. Thank you. Senator Chesterfield you're recognized for a question thank you Mr what was the agency's response. They agreed with the findings and have since made corrective action in their contract process they were has the money be returned. I do not have the answer for that the the agency would have that information this year we get to that would you mind asking the agency if the money's been returned. Yes ma'am. Put you back in the queue at that point. See no further questions for audit. We'll move on to Mister Billy do you have anything to add on this one. Okay so with that we'll go ahead and bring up secretary Hearst. Okay. Yes. Thank you Mr chair Billy pears legislative research the first section will go over our the it's the partition tourism shared services section. The department parterres before than it is a new cabinet level department as a result a transformation the department combined agencies and programs from the department heritage department of parks and tourism and the capitol zoning commission evidence for provided new shared services section to eliminate duplication of services and provide efficiencies on page one I'm sorry in volume two page one. On page one you'll see the state contracts to my new minority owned businesses in an employment summary. On page two is the shared services request of this section provides for against your services department across all divisions and programs. On page four is the appropriation summary. In fiscal year twenty one hundred and seventy three thousand was authorize the request for the biennium is ten million a little over ten million and the executive recommendation provide for the agency requests the change level the you'll see there on almost every line item associated with the reallocation of positions in spending authority from divisions throughout the department. On page five is the appropriation transfer listing and this report shows how much being three comes out of each appropriation section and is requested to be reallocated to shared services. On pages sixty seven this report shows each position to transfer to share services of this is the position transfer listings. And on page eight is the fund transfer listing and this report shows the funds transferred from the division of parks and tourism and the division heritage that will be transferred support shared services. The chair that is the shared services request. Was able to move into the division of Arkansas heritage that's on page nine. The party mark so here it is created nineteen thirty five to preserve and promote Arkansas's natural cultural heritage as a source of pride and joy for all you can this is a divisions Arkansas arts council historic preservation natural heritage commission Arkansas state are because delta cultural center his for Arkansas museum those eight Templars cultural center and the old state house museum pages nineteen shows the contracts were to minority owned owned businesses in employment summary. On page eleven is the department preparation summary the division is eighteen appropriation request all the three sections have changed level the total authorized budgeting to secure twenty one is twenty point two million the division quest sixteen point five million for the biennium that's a three point seven million decrease or about eighteen percent change level the division also request a hundred thirty positions down from the one sixty four authorize the executive recommendation provides for the request the division is funded from general revenue special revenue from I presented the one eight cent conservation tax federal grants in cash funds from museums give shops in cultural center proceeds. On page thirteen the first request is the conservation tax amendment seventy five and this section provides for programs and supplements to general revenue for administration of the division. One page fifteen is that summary is the twenty one eight point eight million was authorized for the biennium five point six billion is requested does change levels begin on a regular salaries line item two point one was authorized requests for a hundred fifty thousand that's a sixty percent decrease extra help was forty six seven thousand twenty one request is for fourteen twenty one thousand ten percent decrease. Personal services matching seven hundred forty thousand twenty one requests for three engine fifteen thousand operated this is two point one million requests for one point four conferencing traveled eighty six thousand the request is for seventy three. Additional fees the request was for the what was authorized as we once nine hundred forty three thousand three questions for twenty five thousand in all these the cheese levels are transfers positions and appropriations shared services. grants a line item was authorizing twenty one was dodging fourteen thousand requests for one point one million that's a twenty percent increase and there's a transfer of fifty six thousand two shared services and a re allocation into the section of two hundred fifty five thousand from the arts council. Special maintenance line seventeen forty seven thousand is authorized requests FOR six engine eighty eight thousand that's an eight percent decrease in as to the transportation two shared services and the black history commission zeros authorized requests for thirteen thousand and this is a reallocation from the director's office. Looking at phone sources the fund balance going into fiscal twenty was four point eight million the fund collected special revenue the amount of six point nine five million that's again that one eight Senate conservation sales tax the other one shows a hundred four thousand the division spent six point nine million in fiscal year twenty and that leaves a balance of four point nine five million going to fiscal year twenty one. On the next page is the director's office the operations request and this section provides for the personal services and operating expenses of the division heritage is supported by general revenue fund. On page seventeen is that summary in fiscal year twenty one seven point three million was authorized the request for the biennium is six point two million the change those begin on the regular salaries line item was authorizing spring was three point eight billion requests for three point six it's a five percent decrease and this is the transfer of positions the preparation and to share services extra help with sixty five thousand request is for sixty three the division found property reduce appropriation this line item personal services matching was authorizes one point three one point three four six request for one point three seven ninety two percent increase operate expenses was one point seven the request is for one point one this is a transfer to share services reflects to reduce reliance on general revenue of operations as other funding sources or utilized the next one item is grants in aid two hundred fifty five thousand is authorized and the requested by you Mrs your that out and this is from a reallocation because of the to the conservation tax section as a result of agency moving from John revenue to conservation tax spending. Of black history commission line items thirteen thousand it was authorized and your question zeroed out as to three allocation conservation tax that was on the last section looking at funding sources the fund collected and spent six point three million engine revenue due to support from Jen revenue in okay for special language there is the fund balance. The next page is the delta cultural center bank charges request and this section provides for the payment of banking credit card charges and fees for from revenue at the museum store it's supported by cash fund. On page nineteen is a summary other questions do discontinue this section as fees will be paid from the treasury funds moving for. On page twenty is a mosaic Templars cultural center pain charges. And on twenty one is there a summary again this is so much the last section the requested to discontinue this section as fees we pay for the treasury funds will be before. On page twenty two the old state house bank charges again this is another section for payment of banking credit card charges and fees from the revenue at their store. And on page twenty summary against other requested this continue to move bills to the treasury funds. And on page twenty four is is for Arkansas museum being charges. And on page twenty five is that appropriation summary and against the discontinue as fees we pay from the treasury funds moving for. On page twenty six is the delta cultural Cassian treasury these were the funds being moved to for each section. On page twenty seven is that summary. in twenty one forty thousands authorized for the biennium eighty thousand is requested that all happens in operating expenses line item fifteen thousand was authorized to requests for fifty thousand this is the reallocation of thirty five thousand from stay operations and discontinued those cash sections and on the resale on item was authorized was twenty five thousand requests for thirty thousand this is a reallocation from state operations looking at fund sources the fund balance going the fiscal year twenty was a hundred four thousand the fund collect the cash funds the amount of three thousand nine hundred this is revenue generated the delta cultural center and the division spent seventy thousand fiscal twenty leaves a balance of thirty eight thousand going to the fiscal year twenty one. On page twenty eight is a month was a Templar Cassian chancery there is no change level for the sections will move on. Two page thirty the old state house cash and treasury this section supplements operating expenses of the old state house programs and activities supported by cash and treasury fund. On page thirty one is there appropriation summary. In twenty one hundred forty four thousands authorized for the biennium two hundred eighty four thousand is requested those angels start with the personal services matching line item of fifteen hundred authorized seventeen Hodges requested and these are matched Justin's made the current by in the request to continue to the next biennium the excise operate expenses fifty thousands authorize a hundred ninety thousand is requested and this is the reallocation from state operations and to move from their G. R. funding model to more cash fund it total. On page thirty two is the historic preservation real estate tax transfer in there is no change levels we can move to the next section. And that is on page thirty four historic preservation that or program. This section supports coordination the state historic preservation plan with the federal government and supported by federal fund. On page thirty five is that appropriation summary in fiscal year twenty one one million forty thousands authorize for the biennium one point four million is requested a changes occur on regular salaries line item six hundred thousands authorized incidents six thousand requested personal services matching to engine ten thousand authorized to enter fifteen thousand and for the first year into sixteen thousand for the second is requested those are salary matching adjustments made the current biennium that request to continue to the next biennium and then the grant a line item was a hundred thousand was authorizing twenty one and twenty two and twenty three to five hundred thousand this is to allow for the increase commitments for grant awards to local governments. Looking at phone sources the fund balance going the fiscal year twenty was nineteen thousand four hundred the fund collected federal revenue the amount of a hundred forty four thousand those are National Park Service grants and the division spent eight hundred forty five thousand to twenty that leaves a balance of eighteen thousand seven just a going fiscal year twenty one. On page thirty six is these are preservation mainstreet Cassian treasury request and this section provides professional services and training to support the main street program activities in two minutes this state tax credit program it's supported by cash fund. On page thirty seven is the appropriation summary in fiscal twenty one ten thousand was authorized to request for the biennium is twenty five thousand that all happens in operating expenses line item the. Again this is to allow for a conference hosted by division every third year and request for both in case of a cancellation. Looking at fund sources the fund balance going to scare twenty was three hundred sixty two thousand the phone clicked the cash funds in the amount of forty two thousand this is revenue from technical assistance they provide the division spent seventy four thousand and fiscal twenty Nelly's about separation thirty thousand going to fiscal year twenty one. On page thirty eight is a natural heritage commission actually area managing cash and treasury and this section provides management stewardship funds for natural areas throughout the state supported by cash fund. Page thirty nine is there summary in fiscal year twenty one two hundred eighty one thousand was authorized to request for the biennium is three hundred sixteen thousand the change those beginning operating expenses line item fifteens was authorized fifty thousand this request this is to allow for increasing timber harvest revenues to to reallocate expenses previously supported by general revenue. Looking at fund sources the fund balance going into fiscal year twenty with seventy six six thousand the other line item shows four hundred forty five thousands collected that's interest donations timber the ins and grants the division spent three hundred ninety nine thousand fiscal year twenty that leaves a balance of eight hundred eleven thousand going to fiscal year twenty one. On page forty is national heritage commission that's where your research cash and treasury there is no changeable so we can move to the next section. The next section is a forty two page forty two natural heritage gas would expenses request and this section provides forty ministration of the natural heritage commission for gas lease payments supported by Arkansas heritage fund. On page forty three is the summary in fiscal year twenty one eight hundred thousand was authorize the request for the biennium was hundreds it is a hundred seventy five thousand that's a seventy percent decrease on the gas rule the expenses line item you'll see that that city that's where all the teams those occur in this is to a bring appropriation more in line with ongoing revenues. Looking at fund sources the fund balance going to fiscal year twenty west region seventy thousand the other one shows a a eighty two thousands collected that's cash receipts from gas lease payments the division spent a hundred fifteen thousand fiscal year twenty that leaves a balance of three to thirty seven thousand going in the fiscal year twenty one. On page forty four the national heritage federal programs request and this section uses federal funds to administer the national heritage commission it's supported by federal fund on page forty five is the summary in fiscal year twenty one one point three million was authorized to request for the binding as one point nine million that's a forty four percent increase the changes begin with the regular set us hours on item forty one was authorized forty three thousands request person services match fourteen is authorized fifteen thousands request those are salary matching Justin's paid the current volume that requested to move forward the operating for this one item hundred thousand was authorized and for the million two hundred thousand is request this is anticipated increases in federal funding. Land acquisition line item one point two million was authorized one point seven million is request and this is the additions to the division system of natural areas. Looking at funding sources the fund balance going to fiscal twenty was one million twenty five thousand the federal revenue line shows seventy thousands collected those are federal funds division spent six hundred six one thousand fiscal twenty that leaves a balance of four hundred and thirty four thousand going into twenty one. On page forty six is this sort Arkansas museum cash and treasury this section supplements operation section replenishes craft store inventory. On page forty seven is the summary. And twenty one two engine thirty thousand was authorized request for the biennium is a hundred eighty nine thousand that's an eighteen percent decrease changes begin with regular salaries on item twenty two thousands authorized requests for zero extra help hundred thirty is authorized requests for a hundred thirteen thousand and personal Sir personal services matching eleven thousand is authorized nine thousand seven hundred was is request and either the transfer of positions and appropriations to the department shared services section. It can happen sources the fund balance going to fiscal twenty was three thousand nine hundred the fund collected cash revenue the amount of thirty five thousand these are admission fees rental receipts donations and proceeds from the crest were deadline chills nineteen thousand the division spent thirty six thousand fiscal twenty leaves a balance of twenty two thousand going to fiscal year twenty one. On page forty eight is the Arkansas state archives cash and treasury quest there is no change levels to be given to the next section. Which is on page fifty. Those are that that completes the division of heritage request. That we have some member questions for the agency. senator Chesterfield U. your bill first thank you Sir. Mr secure state your name for the record. I'm Stacey Hearst secretary of the Arkansas department of parks heritage enters thank you senator Chesterfield you're recognized thank you. It's good to see my former student here. Set the of man secretary there well I findings. And he indicated that moneys were expended in a way that they should not with those monies recuperated. At. I'd have to understand specifically what moneys we're talking about I don't have the audit report in front of me. Which audit report years that the one that they presented to us it says something about twelve hundred and fifty dollars a month correct words were the auditor. The amend sorry my name is Cynthia don't happen on the CFO for parts heritage and tourism the audit report here that that you're referring to is two thousand eighteen and that was prior to transformation but to my knowledge those monies were not recuperating we can check into that to make sure all right was there any plan to recuperate or have you all and shall sing the audit report itself. I saw the audit report yes after I took over a CFO position but the the price CFO denied had no made made no plans to recuperate any of those funds they just change some procedures in the controls to prevent the the loss from occurring again. Amend secretary of eight is that. There isn't past time to recuperate the money isn't. Legally and I was what is it five years before we can recuperate or do you think it's in your interest to even try. If I understand correctly what You're referring to her it lives the contracts that we had essentially with four and they were almost acting like employees there was a mismanagement and the way the payments were made and no there is there is no plan to recoup that money or well one of the questions I'm going to begin to ask each agency is this I noticed that there are no minority contracts and that would include women that would include minorities of veterans do you have any plan at all in any increasing the amount of contract work that you have with minorities as defined by state law yes ma'am we do it is a goal of ours and we work on that daily marks time bill is our procurement manager and his party if he is yes thank you Mr. Thank you senator. Senator hammer you're recognized. The committee chair good morning over here to your far left the of on page what our book page five six and seven and maybe this is for staff for those to positions that were transferred over to the shared services. Thank you A Kevin Anderson legislative staff yes Sir that's what that is a list of their transfer state prisons he did the shared services were all those funded positions or were they just vacant positions or combination of. I would have to check. Or maybe the is combination. This combination of that have been made to ninety nine twelve yes Sir. Okay a you would have to know how many were filled and how many were they can't wager can you get that. Later if you need to. Yes Sir we can get that for you okay and then. A I guess my question is gonna be on our page seventeen regarding the operating expenses. the operating expenses. For a and it's the director's office state operations the operating expenses seem to. Gone up and I was just wondering if you could explain what would what the increase in the operating expense category was please. Let some looking at real. Yes Sir the the increase that you're seeing and the cabinet level department nine and twelve is to account for all the expenses in FY twenty one we only moved positions so we were only paying for salaries but in for FY twenty two the move the amend expenses any. Professional service expenses all those expenses for all of the shared services into the cabinet level position. The second hand represent Senator hammer members of you would these pages are under volume two and your big like books so when you get to your the White both go to volume two and then you'll go to those page numbers. Senator hammer you may proceed thank you Sir but I guess my last question like to hear from you all the benefits or were there any benefits in moving all those positions and change the operating expenses over the shared services and how it relates to the numbers in the budget please. Well yes Sir I can speak to them out also like tennis our chief of staff to speak to that as well Caleb Osborne who's been our point person on transformation but we have similar missions and and goals within the new department across all divisions we have found ways to collaborate to work toward efficiencies for example in our fiscal operation when we've been able to combine the components that were spread across heritage parks and tourism under one umbrella and shared service under Cynthia Cynthia's leadership so we found efficiencies there we found efficiencies an HR so yes Sir there are a number of not just deficiencies but ways that we found to collaborate that are beneficial to the the programs and services that we offer the public. Could you specifically point to how it's reduced your budget then I'm one thing we track very closely is our expenditure of G. R. so in this past fiscal year we were able to turn back one point eight million dollars in general revenue at at the close of the fiscal year so that was a savings that we worked on that and we were able to accomplish What I would call a significant savings in G. R. am additionally we always keep an eye on our and our cap the number of positions that we fail and we are moving toward a more efficient model in terms of number of positions that we actually need for the department as a whole. Alright thank you thank Mister. Thanks senator center Johnson you're recognized. Thank you Mr chairman secretary Hearst I want to ask you about preservation easements you're familiar with the amount of money that was extended to the city of little rock for preservation and macarthur park including the capital guard state you how much was that amount do you recall the grant that we provided them was roughly for a hundred thousand dollars and it in exchange for that amount we gained an easement over the property okay and mayor Scott wanted to undo that. And let's just say he did I won't go into the details I think we all know that Did he pay that amount back. I'll we entered into the settlement agreement a dispute agreement with the city of little rock and they paid back forty five thousand dollars of the easement cost we still retain the easement though over the property. Didn't sound like a very good deal to buy it didn't seem like much preservation went on there with the the wooden box sitting over in front of the old arsenal building I'm just curious what funded that come out of and go back into our present when it was partially refund. I'm the fund that the dispute agreement called for a number of things one that the department of the division of Arkansas heritage would be Would advise on the relocation of the monument but also that the forty five thousand dollars would go to the foundation far heritage and history to help fund the new national statuary that the legislature approved and twenty nineteen I fail to see where. The first instance had anything to do with the second instance originally with a hundred thousand or so what was the the source of funds for that preservation easement I'm the preservation grants that we provide are funded through the real estate transfer tax is specifically set aside for main street in historic preservation so this was considered part of the historic preservation yes Sir okay A it is very troubling to me when a city or even an individual makes a deal and then reneges on the deal I if I on the historic property and you entered into an agreement with me to a preserve the facade and the exterior of the building and and then I came along later and and throughout vinyl siding on the outside you probably have a problem with that would you. Would you want your money back all of it. Klay one we have an easement and there's a dispute over the easement we do work toward a settlement yes Sir who who negotiated the settlement was or some arbitration clause there's anything done was our third party arbitrator or negotiators I'm our general counsel J. Manders work with the city attorney Tom carpenter little inside council and the city's council that city attorney yes for there but there was no third party to for lack of a better word protect the taxpayers interest in the US now Sir okay alright thank you very much for answering my questions thank you Mr yes. Represented wooden you're recognized for a question. You Mr chairman I'll have to have several different from the permitted. The does not matter secretary did understand that you're not making any effort to collect these all that findings. This I'm. This issue happened at in twenty nineteen it was discovered and twenty nine twenty eighteen excuse me I'm look I'm looking at this report and there was a I mismanagement in the way that these contractors were paid that resulted and what the auditors described as an overpayment and no there there was no we will not make an effort to reclaim man as I understand it it was about fifteen hundred dollars that was over pay was three thousand to be exact. No no it was it was Four times fifteen hundred dollars and then there was one for twenty seven hundred and twenty six and one for twenty five thousand are you make an effort to collect any of those some of these they were previously contractors and they became full time employees and that was the case of the twenty seven twenty six I would have and I'm asking the question are you attempting to get the money. This is taxpayer's money yes Sir and it's M. it is more complicated and I would need to get. Is made out mental is not complicated are you going to make any effort to collect the. we will not make an effort to collect is at it was decided that it was it we had settled at the time we reviewed it will hurt you said. I'm we found this the audit found this this what they describe as an overpayment we did resolve it internally and have taken care of the matter. Yes Sir will still you're not answering my question. We have the money is to the state of Arkansas and you're not making an attempt to collected is that correct and then I'll move on. Is that correct it's more complicated than that. Well it is. More and. Application madam to collect money for this to the state of the taxpayer's money that has been paid in it's not complicated we your either correcting it attempting to collect it or you're not collecting it so which is it you're not gonna collected hi we have made a decision not to pursue this and I'm happy to get you more information on the complexity of the matter. I need to know is if you're going to protect the interests of the people of Arkansas we do so every day yes Sir when you're not collect in this about it was a small amount. We're banning it back and forth but just let me just let me ask you I thank you all need to reconsider it because it is so it was a million dollars. Would you attempt to collect a million dollars we just seller forty five thousand dollars out of a hundred thousand so what what are we doing over there. We are very good steward of taxpayer resources Representative when we watch it every day we made a decision that matter with. Yes if you're watching it each day how are these occurring in my concern is is going to grow or get bigger if you won't collect twenty five thousand would you attempt to collect a million I will move all. You have on your August report to the bureau of legislative research you have shown that a hundred and seventy one positions. Authorised eight hundred and seventeen actual. The one hundred and forty eight will are vacant. Positions that are budgeted and then you have a loan budget to number of eight we're talking about six point six million. In thank you budget positions and then we're talking about no three hundred and sixty thousand and budget. You of the one hundred and forty eight you have twenty two positions that have been vacant for longer than two years. That you are occupying or allocating or tying up a hundred nineteen thousand dollars in the insurance payments and one million dollars in salaries at an average salary of forty five thousand. Can you share with me what you're carrying those twenty two they can positions for over two years of men vacant. We continue to examine our personnel and our staffing and work toward a goal of savings regarding G. art we are doing that we are on the right trajectory we have we continuously look and our open positions and we have surrendered some most recently some that are on this list will be filled but we're always looking for the best and most efficient way to operate a very large department well. Stay in that have been there I've done that. But what about those twenty two positions of been vacant for over two years yes Sir we may very well surrender those as I said we look at it constantly for example within state parks we frequently have and needs that we don't anticipate and we need to fill a position if we lose other positions were looking at restructuring we just met with our planning and development department within state parks yesterday and they are reorganizing that entire section to work toward more efficiency it's something that we're constantly looking man and as I mentioned we do look at the line item that is out the overall cost of our personnel for our department to make sure that we are trending in the right direction and we are I would encourage you to continue to look at those twenty two over two years let me ask you talk about surrendering positions are you talk about we've had several come before our personnel committee relative to I've never I've never had any agency come in and the offer to downgrade the positions is all ways to upgrade positions but I would encourage you to continue to look at the twenty two positions that have been vacant for over two years and have also in Kerr is used to remove that what your policy of collecting money for the people the state of Arkansas thank you Mr chairman. Representative Cavenaugh you're recognized. Thank you Mr chair over here hide behind the chair back to Representative Williams request on the money the job chose not to collect from the audit findings just so you know it's over thirty two thousand dollars it's not just fifteen hundred dollars yes ma'am and I understand that's a small amount in the things but I do have the same concerns that represent a wooden that what I would like to request is that you do provide as in riding why you chose not to go after this I would be I have to do you can provide that to us yes I would be happy to do that to provide you the full context and the complexity of this issue this was reserve reviewed by audit and they were comfortable with what we decided to do and how we decided to move forward so but I'm happy to pull that together and share with the entire legislature thank thank you much. Okay Senator hammer you're recognized thank you Mr chair I want to go back to page fifteen for just second just get a better understanding of something. In the. In the twenty twenty one budget numbers compared to the twenty twenty one budget numbers everything seems to go up but then in the twenty one twenty two it drops back down we just you may explanation what happens between twenty twenty one and then twenty twenty one twenty two as to why it goes down. What report are you looking at I don't think a page numbers are the same I'm sorry I'm on our page fifteen and its the conservation tax amendment Arkansas department of heritage. For a sixty five. I'm sorry eight six oh eight six five. Is there is that the. eight six five yes ma'am. The difference between fiscal twenty one and twenty two is that we this is the the reflection of the move of our positions I shared services positions and our shared services expenses to the cabinet level department so in twenty in physical twenty one we do not have all those positions move and so on twenty two we've moved those positions so that's the biggest decrease in salaries is for positions and a decrease in operating expenses is is that as well. Okay and is that reflective of that one point eight million turned back in general revenue you referenced well go with this is this is the conservation tax right here okay so the the one point eight term back was for fiscal twenty G. R. and so forth first fiscal twenty two we do we do effect reflect the reduction in the amount of G. R. that we are requesting are using utilizing okay that's I guess that's was trying to find where the reduction in your budget of the one point eight million that's being turned back to general revenues reflected where where do I find that in the numbers to show that by turning that back it reduced your budget the one point eight million dollars is a total of G. R. for parks and hit parks division parks and tourism division and then also for the department of heritage I G. R. comes in different buckets we have a set of of G. R. dollars for it four parks and tourism and we turned back about a nine hundred thousand dollars in that pot that bucket and then and heritage where there was another nine hundred thousand dollars that which turned back so that's going to be referred for heritage that will be reflected in appropriation FOR eighty two which I believe would be on page this thirteen. Okay seventeen is the G. R. for department of heritage. And you see that there's a reduction there in the general revenue for their own heritage ma'am I believe D. F. and A has insight into that question as well Senator hammer more recognize Jake please thank you. Good morning everyone of first thank you for letting me join you all the is soon wanted to address that is Senator hammer's question regarding the reduction in general revenue for parts heritage tourism of where you're going to most likely see that reduction is when we put the balanced budget together and when we put together the are or S. say at the end of legislative session if you look at some of the previous years or essays prior to transformation you can see that department heritage actually did have negative they're one of the few agencies that has been able to reduce their general revenue spending and that's reflected in the our answer. Mr. Thank you so Jack let me ask you the one point eight. Is actually going to be is it fair to say or the wrong to say that the one point eight is actually gonna be re distributed throughout the various components of the agency. Well E. if there are there's kind of two different levels of savings are to be different way to look at this agency in mind it being saving money so that they can spread those savings to other costs within the agency in that case the overall amount will not necessarily go down but it will go up as much as it could have another way to look at savings and this is what I was referring to before the savings actually do make it down to that bottom line and the overall bottom line because the agency goes down in that case then you would see that kind of reduction in the R. state so. So from a philosophical argument point of view by moving things over the shared services which created one eight one point eight less have we really saved anything or we just moving that money so we can do things that otherwise we might not have been able to do. I mean philosophically I think either way you're saving money you're either doing more work with the same amount which is to say expanding services without increasing costs or your brain is cost out of the bottom one and and you reducing the overall cost the agency. How we measure savings is something obviously we've been wrestling with and I think that the members have been wrestling with was transformation and it's something that we certainly look forward to working with you all going forward and really being able to illustrate more completely I guess if I could just for simplicity get maybe an overall sheet of the savings just using this as an example throughout all the other agencies that you know we would identify so we can come up with total dollar savings because that's one thing we wrestle with is where do you put your finger on actual savings you know of not moving bodies to improve efficiencies but dollars are being generated throughout these agencies through this that may be instead of being turned back a gonna be internalized to do other things if that's possible may this to be when I ask of like to get it. It's a great question and you know just to my mind I think the first thing we have to do is sit down and really agree on a definition of what savings is you know a lot of agencies will find savings in one place but a lot of times of savings don't necessarily. Select somewhere else or they maybe savings in the opinion of one agency but not necessarily in the opinion of another so having some kind of uniform way to approach that would be good and that it's something that I think that well that will be complicated were aware that it's something we've got to do and it's something I think that we're going to begin talking about a really getting down to your as we move forward one of the big pieces though is getting the shared services up and running in getting the different departments consolidated so that we can even begin really measuring some of those costs right now what we're dealing with is a great variation across the state in how we're approaching operations mostly agencies are very different they carry a different programs a different services and so as a result they have to have different processes to maintain operations having some kind of uniformity across that is is going to be a challenge but I think it's going to be ultimately for benefit in the case of parts search engine tourism though they've always been very good about controlling their costs like I said earlier you could see they were they always stood out in my mind when we look at the RSA keys you can see those numbers actually going down. but yeah that's something I think that we all need to work on and the members have been very clear wanting that information look forward to it thank you hope you feel better. There. See no further questions for this agency drive a motion I have a motion and a second. I have a second all those in favor of executive wrecked say aye. All opposed house have it thank you guys. So with that we'll move on to the Arkansas. Do not have an audit funding so Bailey will recognize you to go through the appropriations. Thank you Mr chair. The Arkansas arts council begins and same volume volume two page fifty. The arts council seeks to advance arts in Arkansas all the council expense cultural and educational opportunities by investing museums theaters symphonies and other providers of artistic programming. Page fifty you'll see the state contracts ward minority owned businesses and employment summary and publications. On page fifty one is the department preparation summary. the division has three appropriation request to sections have a change level the total authorized budget fiscal year twenty one is nine hundred and sixty six thousand the division request one point one two million for the biennial that's a hundred forty five thousand increase or fifteen percent change level the executive edition provides for this agency request the division's funding from federal grants in cash funds from registration fee sales in interest income. On page fifty two is the first request is for Arkansas all I'm sorry arts council federal programs there is no change level. The next request is on page fifty four it's the arts council Cassian treasury this section provides for administration of the council to cash receipts it's supported by catching treasury fund. On page fifty five is the preparation summary and fiscal year twenty one hundred fifty three thousand was authorized the request for the biennium is two hundred ninety nine thousand those changes occur on the grants a line item hundred thirty two thousand authorized to seventy eight thousands request that's a hundred ten percent increase and this is to accommodate expected continued support from the Wingate foundation. Looking at phone sources the fund balance going in the fiscal year twenty was a hundred sixty seven thousand the phone collected cash revenue the amount of two hundred eleven thousand that's registration fees interest in cells and the division spent a hundred fifty eight thousand fiscal year twenty leaves a balance of two hundred twenty thousand going into your twenty one. On page fifty six is the arts council bank charges request and this section provides for payment of being charges credit card charges and fees. On page fifty seven is their suffering they have a request to discontinue this section clip plans to pay out of the cash and treasury that was the nine forty three because we went over earlier this year that is the arts council budget requests. Any questions for the membership. Seeing none do I have a motion I have a motion second all those in favor say aye. All opposed ayes have it no one has pastor executive Rick so with that we'll move on to the natural cultural resources council. And Mister bill you're recognized again thank you Mr chair were and still thing volume page fifty eight this is the parks hedging towards a natural culture resources council request and the the National Guard resources council administers a grants and trust fund for the acquisition management stewardship of state owned properties acquired or use for council approved purposes the grants for projects to protect and maintain stain on actually areas historic sites now to recreation on page fifty eight you'll see state contracts with minority owned businesses and publications. On page fifty nine as the department preparation summary the division has three appropriation request there are no changes levels the total authorized budging disc your twenty one is thirty three million and the same amounts request for the biennium the executive edition provides for the agency request this division's funding from eight percent of the proceeds from the state's real estate transfer tax this year that's the request for natural resources council. See no questions for members to a motion executive wrecked. So moved second. All those in favor say aye. All opposed house have a switch that will move on to state parks and tourism. And Mister Bailey you're recognized again. Thank you Mr chair removing the page sixty six the same volume this is part Haitian tourism parks and tourism division. The person was in divisions mission is to enhance quality of life through outdoor experiences connections to Arkansas's heritage in resource management there are fifty two state parks located across the state pages sixty six three seven show employment summary publications and state contracts awarded to minority owned businesses. On page sixty days the department appropriation summary the division has fourteen appropriation request all but four sections have a changeable the total authorized budget is clear twenty one is a hundred fifty one million it's being authority the division request a hundred sixty seven million for the buying on that the sixteen million increase were eleven percent change level the division also request seven hundred forty four positions that's down from a hundred before authorized the second recognition provides for the agency quest the division is funded from general revenue special revenue from forty five percent of the one eight seven conservation sales tax federal grants and cash funds from sales and rentals of state parks. The first request is on page seventy this is statewide comprehensive outdoor recreation plan request and this section provides for administration of the program supported by federal fund. On page seventy one is that appropriation summary in fiscal year twenty one five twenty million was authorized for both years the biennium seven point three as a request changes begin to the operating expenses line item sixty six thousands authorized thirty four thousand request that the forty nine percent decrease in this is due to reallocation the shared services the next line is grants in aid five point six million was authorized seven point one million is request and this is because they were notified of any increase in federal grants. Looking upon sources the fund balance going to physically twenty was three hundred forty three thousand the fund collected federal revenue in the amount of six hundred thirty thousand as from the federal land and water conservation fund division spent six hundred sixteen thousand fifty or twenty and that leaves a balance of three engine fifty seven thousand going into fiscal year twenty one. Page seventy two is the museum that resources special revenues there is no change level. We'll move to the next section. It's the operations it's on page seventy four. This section provides for administration of the division and is supported by general revenue fund account. On page seventy six is the preparation summary and twenty one twenty point seven million was authorized to request for the biennium is sixteen point five million. that is a twenty percent decrease change levels begin with regular salaries line item the fourteen points was authorized eleven point eight is request extra help thirty thousand is authorized two thousand five hundred three quest personal services matching five point five is authorized four point seven is request for the biennium operating expenses four hundred eighty six thousand authorized your question is your that out scene with conference in travel there is hearing out from a four thousand nine hundred authorization level and this is all due to reallocation to shared services the neck fun advertising expense two hundred fifty thousand is authorized under because zeroed out and this is due to the department the allocated for any project this is due to the allocated funding projections for the department. The next looking upon sources the phone collected and spend nineteen point eight million in general revenues. On page seventy seven is a conservation tax request this section provides for this special revenue ministration of the division is supported by the special revenue fund on page seventy eight is that appropriation summary in twenty one fifty five point one million was authorized the request for the biennium is fifty five point three. changes and I'm sorry that's that's the less than one percent change the change those begin with regular salaries line item five twenty million was authorized six point three as requested prison services matching two point four as authorized request is for two point six operating expenses twelve point one was authorized eleven point six eleven point six is requested and this is associated with transferring in in nine divisions from state operations and transform out two positions to shared services. Look at the capital outlay line item one point eight million was authorized the and again there because cap rally they have to request for that it for the next biennium the the maintaining that level of appropriation this is retained to replace worn out equipment. Looking at phone sources the fund balance going to fiscal twenty was eleven point eight million the fund collected special revenue in the amount of thirty four point seven eight million at the one eight C. conservation sales tax the division spent thirty one point five nine million in fiscal year twenty that leaves a balance of fifteen point three four million going into a fiscal year twenty one. On page seventy nine as the keep Arkansas beautiful request and this section provides for the administration of the program supported by special revenue fund on page eighty is the summary if you're twenty one eight hundred eighty one thousand was authorized for the biennium eight hundred sixty nine thousand is request that the one percent a decrease. Regular salaries under twenty sevens authorized hundred twenty seven three forty two is requested less than one percent change personal services matching forty five thousand authorized at three percent increase of forty six thousand and other salary matching adjustments from the current volume the requested to continue to the next biennium the operating expenses eighty nine thousand was authorized seventy six thousand requests that the fifteen percent decrease and this is due to a reallocation to shared services looking at fund sources the fund balance going to it's clear twenty was four hundred eighty seven thousand the fund collected conservation tax in the amount of seventy seventy three thousand the division spent seven hundred seventeen thousand fiscal year twenty and there is a balance of five hundred forty three thousand going into fiscal year twenty one. On page eighty one is it towards in promotions special revenue requests and this section provides for the administration that program supported by special revenue fund. On page eighty two is there a summary and fiscal twenty one eighteen point three was authorized request for the biennium is eighteen point two that's the one percent decrease looking a regular salaries two hundred eighty three thousand authorized two hundred ninety eight is requested a five percent increase personal services matching hundred eleven thousands authorize eighteen thousand requests that the six percent increase and other salary matching adjustments from the current by you on that requests to move forward. Operating expenses with offers a one point six million requests for one point five million eight to nine percent decrease confident travel was five point three five five thousand three five thousand three hundred three questions for forty four thousand and this is a reallocation from operating expenses to share services and to conference and travel the moved across the travels to to determination ex two due to a determination expenses were better classified as confident travel and also increase to cover amounts previously paid the general revenue. Looking a capital outlay seventy thousand was authorized again there want to retain that to allow for the replacement of aging vehicles in photography equipment. Looking at fund sources the fund balance going if it's clear twenty with three point two nine million the fund collected special revenue the amount of fourteen point seven eight million that's two percent grocery receipts are the tax one tour with tourism related businesses the division spent Levin point eight million in fiscal year twenty that leaves a balance of six point one a million going fiscal year twenty one. On page eighty three the wildlife observation trails request there is no change levels we can move to the next section. Page eighty five outdoor recreation grants program again there's no change along the sections we can move to the next one. On page eighty seven is operations and construction cash and treasury quest this section provides for staff and operational support to park in use in activities supported by cash fund. On page eighty eight is there preparation summary thirty seven point two million was authorized to request for the biennium is thirty seven point two three four that's less than one percent change. Looking at regular salaries on item seven point seven was authorized in point eight three quest personal services matching three point three as authorized three point four to request and those are salary matching Justin's from the current by in the request to move forward. Operating expenses nine point nine was authorized three ninety nine for nine point nine three is requested to let someone to change and this is the reallocation to shared services. Cap outlay five engine twenty five thousand authorized to engine fifty thousands requested to fifty two percent decrease and this is they want to retain two to fifty thousand those of of that appropriation FOR worn out equipment. Looking upon sources the fund balance going to fiscal twenty was seven point twenty million the fund click the the cash from line shows twenty two point seven five million those are fees rentals and sales in the state park system sells an income tax line shows two point five two million the division spent twenty eight point nine million in fiscal twenty the lease balance of three point five four million go in the fiscal year twenty one. On page eighty nine is retirement relocation program there is no change levels you move to the next section. On page ninety one is the tourism cash and treasury and this section provides for the operations of the gift shop in the central office it's supported by cash fund. On page ninety two the appropriation summary. The fiscal year twenty one authorize malice thirty thousand the request for the biennium is thirty eight thousand five hundred and twenty two and fifty three thousand five hundred and twenty three that all present a resale line item was authorized twenty one twenty six thousand press again for twenty to thirty five thousand requests for the next year the bios fifty thousand and this is due to their plans to begin selling merchandise Addis three welcome center locations. Looking at fund sources the fund balance going to fiscal twenty was fifteen thousand the fund collected the cash fund lunches nine thousand those are stills from the central office gift shop in the division spent eight thousand eight hundred forty this year twenty the lease about fifteen thousand going to fiscal year twenty one. The next request is on page ninety three that's war Memorial Stadium general revenue and this section five for operations and maintenance with with the generating it's supported by the General any funds on page ninety four is the department operation summary. In twenty one four hundred forty seven thousand is authorized for the biennium four hundred and twenty thousand requested that the four percent decrease looking a regular salaries line item for you to twenty thousand authorized region for his request that the six percent decrease personal services matching a hundred thirteen thousand was authorized a hundred eleven thousands requests one percent decrease is the reallocation of funds to the next section we'll go over that supported by cash fund accounts again movie from Germany to catch from model looking upon sources the phone collected and spent three to fifty seven thousand and general revenue. On page ninety five looking at war Memorial Stadium cash that's the next request and this section provides for operations and maintenance with cash funds it's supported there by the cast an account on page ninety six is the the department appropriation summary. And twenty one two point three million was authorized for the biennium one point four million as request those changes begin the regular salaries on item twenty two thousand authorized fifty for thousands request personal services matching twenty three thousands authorized thirty one thousand request again this is their reallocation salaries in match in the previous section support budget revenue. the next one items operate expenses one point six million was authorized eight hundred eighty five thousands request that the forty percent decrease refunds reimbursements two hundred thousands authorized a hundred thousands request that the fifty percent decrease special maintenance thirty thousands authorized in zeros request this all from a transfer of operating consistency or services and a reduction overall line items due to the pandemic the impact on stadium activities and nose and no razorback games hosted. Looking at fund sources the fund balance going to fiscal twenty was four hundred sixty six thousand the phone collected at the cash from line shows one point when a billion that from stadium rentals and sells investment line shows two to five thousand the other one shows to twenty eight thousand the division spent one point sixty million fiscal twenty that leaves a balance of a hundred ninety six thousand going to fiscal year twenty one. On page ninety seven is the Walton family foundation delta heritage trail grant cash fund request. This section is a new request to spend a grant and what the family foundation the development of it to only up sorry of the delta heritage trail state park is supported by cash fund account. On page ninety eight is request is for twenty million for the biennium. Sure that is the parks and tourism budget presentation. Chesterfield you're recognized thank you thank you Mr chair on page sixty six. One of the areas that I get the most calls about is the inability for minorities to get. employment at parks and tourism. And you will agree that forty one minority employees at a six hundred twenty eight is a an abysmal figure what are we doing to make it more equitable to access employment at parks and tourism. Yes ma'am senator Chesterfield I agree we need to increase the number of minorities represented as on the staff within parks and tourism we do. So many of our positions are located across the state of Arkansas and we have trouble filling many positions particular at our at our lodges that are in remote areas but. I will pledge to you that we understand that we need to increase that number and we will continue to work on it will look far new ways to advertise and to recruit and any suggestions that you have in that regard I would appreciate them we have to talk to you about it in thank you Mr chair I appreciated I needed to know about also about the war Memorial peace what we want Q. one hundred and fifty. Undefined thank you. Two one hundred fifty employees were is the. But the more you're making. Page ninety four ninety four starts on page ninety four okay. There was once but we're we went. Thank you SO me then I don't need to know the answer thank you so much. Thank you senator. Senator hammer you're recognized thank you Mr chair. On the previous presentation on the other portion the budget you identified one point eight million in savings that was turned back to general revenue is there a dollar value associated with this budget you just presented that revealed any money being turned back to general revenue are being made available. Yes Sir of the one point eight million out of or turn back that we mentioned earlier nine hundred thousand of that was from parks heritage parks and tourism section business area nine hundred and in this current budget we reduced our our the general revenue request for parks was a hundred and thirty three thousand dollar reduction in fiscal twenty two eight hundred and fifty two thousand dollar reduction and eight in fiscal twenty three. Okay and then on page are page eighty two is dealing with the advertising expense. It's. Going from eight point nine up to thirteen point six seven one could you give a explanation of the increase in the advertising expense. The eight point nine million dollars is the actual amount that was spent in fiscal twenty four advertising dollars to thirteen point six million dollars is the authorized amount that was an appropriation act at the time and we're asking for that amount to stay the same the difference between the amount that was spent and the amount that was authorized was due mainly to the pandemic we made changes in our advertising contract to account for the fact that are to percent dollars with taking a drastic hit when the pandemic hit and we were not getting we're not expecting to receive as much revenue when we did not get as much revenue so we changed our advertising spans and spent less in FY twenty and carried forward more into fiscal twenty one with the hope that when the recovery came in dollars would be able to then direct redirect those funds was advertising spending did you have a impact what you lost on the two percent based on covert have you all had time to measure that damage right now our decrease is running about twenty seven percent the first the first year was the first month it was right it fifty percent decrease the second month that was not quite as much but we are running around twenty five percent decrease okay and then the last question I've got is a long line of war Memorial our page sixty eight and it talks about war Memorial Stadium cash funds and it looks like when you project out to twenty one twenty two that. I don't I don't know maybe you've increased or decreased at that from trying to figure out what talk about war Memorial for a minute and about their cash. We're one we have read for do have projected out a decrease in the war Memorial cash fund and at this time they were they were particular hit hard by that can do make as well and the razorback game was one of our our big cash revenue advance and then the fact that we did that we're not able to have that game was also a big hit to our our revenues so we have projected the I. decrees we had a city because deposit that we brought in that brought in some money but because they don't have any events and they are strictly their money comes from events and so they have not been able to have very many Vance at the at the stadium and then I sponsorship revenues went down because of not having events so you don't get as many sponsors in the in the stadium so that's why we've reduced the operating expenses mainly for that are salary expenses we we your absorbing those in other ways so we've just reduce operating expenses and are are we funds in those areas what was the total assault on here somewhere thing was like thirty three thousand but is that the true number of the cost to war Memorial for the ridgebacks to decide not to play a game there. Or what's the what what's a real number. No is in what is our typical income on a razorback game yes ma'am. It's more like two hundred and fifty thousand dollars right instead of station to move that game out a little rock cost war Memorial to fifties at a accurate statement close this. To be a issue play in there some day thank you manager thermistor. Thank you senator represent Cavenaugh you're recognized thank you Mr chair I just have two questions the wildlife observation trails do you happen to know the last time the dollar the department was divided money to actually do anything with this because we don't show any expenditures for sometime it and show it in two thousand twenty. The. Because it says that you know game and fish doesn't have to give you this million dollars you're asking a case they do do you know the last time you were given this money to be able to find this I can't be sure but I believe it was around two thousand twelve we have not received any money since the first when it was first done we received some in that year but after that we have not gotten anything since then we will lead the appropriation available because they at any time they might it is still the agreement still in place yes okay I just curious when the last time we actually got the funds so moving on to page eighty this is the keep Arkansas beautiful you've got a line item for grants and aids. And it looks like he only got about fifteen hundred dollars in grants or aids what are you actually doing with that grants and aid. This is the appropriation FOR keep Arkansas beautiful where And I I don't have the specifics about what they're grants entail but I know that part of the part of the issue was with with covert and some changes that they were doing in their advertising and marketing but I can have the. Director Marc can't give a specific amounts about what was spent and why there was a difference in the amount for that year yes I'm just curious about why we couldn't give more grant what they're actually for and why we couldn't give more out looks like we spend most of the budget on advertising and I was just curious about if we could do more grants and aid and certainly legislation handed I know that they were short staffed during that year he had he has only a staff of three and a one time I think there was just one he was the only person there for a little while and so that may be part of the reason as well thank you. Representative login you're recognized. Thank you Mr chairman of the several questions from a. Record retention to pay J. to secretary. Under operating expenses you expended one point two million. you budgeted one point. Two two nine. Your requesting one point five to six million one at one of the four and I realize you're authorized one point six U. reduced it down but what are you asking for four hundred thousand dollars more and operating expenses page eighty two. Amend secretary I'm asking you now I'm gonna deferred to my chief fiscal officer please Cynthia okay one of the reasons why there's such a a decrease in the operating expenses in that fiscal year is because of we we cut back on our expenditures when the pandemic came along there was a mandatory reduction in discretionary spending so we cut back drastically on the amount of expenses that we that we tested out that year so the one point six is our authorized amount and this year our request is one point five we generally do spend more of those operating dollars but they're there read the expenses are down right now because the mainly because of because of it but you were able offering over one point two. Did it impact your operations we reduced our operations yes Sir and as you may and realize you reduced it but what I'm asking is you have authorize one point six you were cut down in your appropriation but you were still able operation provide services. We were but in an economy where tourism is not operating at full capacity across. This question is conference and travel expenses. You were budgeted fifty three hundred you spent twenty thousand and you're asking for forty four thousand. why why the increase in the the Professional for the in the Conference and travel sorry conference and travel. I'm again the tourism economy has been badly damaged and they have suffered severe restrictions and conferences and trade shows all of those have been eliminated I understand that but you authorized fifty three hundred and now your request and forty four thousand. Three. One of the things that we did was we evaluated the conference and travels based on the secretary's direction as to there were some fees something that would be paid out two in and conference and travel and so across the the department for consistency purposes we evaluated all the trade shows everything that we went to and we just move some of those expenses from a mental two oh nine line so it was it was a decrease in the middle of an increase in conference and travel so net changes zero. The next question is you were authorized you actually expense for professional fees was twenty five thousand your budget at three fifteen your authorized six hundred and fifteen thousand that's what you're asking for again. And you only spent twenty three thousand. What what will that six hundred fifteen be used for. A big portion of that will be for a new fulfillment contract that was that just went into place this past year and so that would be part of that and the other part of that will be expenses expected when they the industry recoup that self that we're able to do more research is spending bills those professional fees that we have not been able to do because of the change in the industry at this point because of the change of one the industry with the that the tourism industry about the decrease in activities the so much in activity that we are not able to do some of the things that we would have done in the past. We'll go back to the advertising expense Senator hammer covered that is no more I was I was curious is thirteen point seven million. Is your request you spent eight. well nine this is a nine million. Use the term and. One who you contract with on that. Into what's going to be the difference would do I would have thought all this just may. Then with the pandemic in the and then tap thing going on that you might of. Spend more money on advertising internally for the state. People being barred from traveling outside of the state. The five million. More dollars for advertising. Hello how you make this selection. Known who handles that account. The firm the agency it's a competitive process competitive bed it is a hotly contested it was bit out four years ago I believe we are entering the fifth year of what could be a seven year agreement C. J. R. W. has a contract now and they have had it previously and so a lot of the advertising decisions are a collaboration between stage are Debbie and their professional team and our Arkansas tourism professional staff. Thank you Mr. Right thank you. Seeing no further questions appreciate you coming in thank you. I have a motion executive wreck. Second. All in favor. Any post. I have a motion passes. Where are on to capitol zoning commission. Mr perish you're recognized to be thank you Mr chair capitol zoning commission begins on page ninety nine the same volume volume to. The commission regulates zoning development and design within the capitol zoning district pursuant to a master plan formulated maintained by the commission page nine nine shows state contracts with minority minority owned businesses employment summary and publications. On page one hundred is a department appropriation summary the division has to appropriation requests and both have a change level the total authorized budget because you're twenty one is two hundred fifty two thousand spending authority thank you Mr quest two hundred fifty six thousand for the biennium that's a four thousand dollar increase for about two percent change level the second recommendation provides for this agency requests the commission's fund from general revenue and cash funds in the form of civil fines on page one oh one is the first requests capitol zoning district state operations and this section provides for the administration of the program. On page one of the two is there appropriation summary in fiscal year twenty one two hundred fifty two thousands authorized to June fifty four thousand Sir quest for each year the biennium change those begin with the regular salaries on item hundred seventy was authorized hundred seventy six thousands request. And personal services matching fifty three thousands authorized sixty one thousand three quest those are salary matching adjustments made in the current biennium that a request to continue. Of operating expenses twenty seven thousand is authorized fifteen thousands request that the forty one percent reduction the the expression says it the efficiencies were identified in the commission's budget. Looking at funding sources the commission collected spent two hundred forty three thousand in general revenue and eight thousand seven hundred from the performance fund. On page one hundred and three the next request is capitol zoning district cash fund and this section is a new request allows commission to spend from **** from the assessment of civil funds on page one oh four is that a summary was authorized twenty one with zero and requests FOR two thousand for each year the biennium and that's to spend those civil fines share that is request for couples in the district. Thank you Mr perish senator Johnson is your question for the agency or for staff. Agency. All right. Thank you Sir sure Hearst. What will. A. Madam secretary with the transformation. Capital district zoning commission moved out of their. Beautiful historic building. I won't call it by the colloquial name that you're probably familiar with but you know what I'm talking about I'm concerned about the preservation of that building it is on the national register and is anything to your knowledge located in that at this moment. I'm. To my knowledge my latest conversation with and laid law was that it was being used for storage but there were being their options being considered for it for its use well I'm I'm concerned that and in the use of it is I'm not particularly wanting it to go to this of that but the idea of it not being occupied just being used for storage use is problematic I could see perhaps some homeless people moving in and said they need a bonfire in the middle of it to keep it warm this winter and then we don't have that facility anymore a. Second question the. A civil finds that were mentioned who of. It finds the people is that done by Mister mayor and his staff for some other entity who provide who finds people FOR violations and this could be the staff forty you I'm just. Trying to find out the source of that find money. Now I'll need to get back with the on that senator Johnson to my knowledge the capitol zoning district has some limited authority two issue funds but to my knowledge they've not done so but I'll get a full report to you on that but you're presuming like I'm a I'm I'm inferring and I'm not saying you're trying to apply the that the commission itself levies the finances that would interstate ending would be I'm on certain I'll I'll wait for your answer I'll be patient on it we go. Anything new the AS I'm I'm saying that they do have some authority under the administrative procedures ACT fart to levy fines I have been unaware that they have done that but and again if you don't have an answer that's fine and get it later of I will this this is not like if you were elsewhere in little rock in there was some kind of a zoning tap find that would be in like a little rock in judge leverage court or something like that is that the best you knowledge is not in a District Court sitting is that your understanding I'm I do not know for certain just let me know may object had be grateful thank you so much thank you Mr chair thank senator sing other questions an emotion. The motion is that correct second. Yes second on rye. Imposed motion passes that brings us to the end of this meeting. If you are on personnel please stay in here we're going straight back into personnel here in five minutes. We are adjourned.