ALC-Game & Fish/State Police

And found that this time i'd like to call on sender race if you would please open us in a word of prayer. Yeah. A man well thank everybody for being here today i've got a good crowd regardless. We've got a lot to cover with the subject matter today. Uh so we're going to try to do that quickly and efficiently. Sooner hell you everything you'd like to add for we get into this. Thank you mr chair just like to reiterate to everyone one thing that not repeat the same things over and over and over we can hear and we will retain what it is all if you have some the say we won't you'll be able to say it they just please do not continue to say the same things over and over and over. Well put. Today blr will be presenting a summary of the laws to us but as you know they cannot provide an opinions are interpretation of the laws. If you have a question that requires a response regarding the interpretation or application of the law I will direct your question to a representative of the attorney general's office who are here for that purpose so hopefully we can. We can avoid having everything conflicts in that area uhm will that be in without being said I would like to recognize misjer for crawn of BLR as she presents these loss thank you very much for being here good afternoon thank you representative many misjennifer crime i'm a legislative attorney with the bureau i'm a sign to this committee as well as the judiciary committee and I was asked to be here today to present a summary of the laws related to your farm study. Today the topic is concealed carry and we will be covering the statutes related to can sill carry. At at our next meeting we will cover the or can so state police rules that are related to consiler carries so there's will be at the next meeting. Today's statutes are mostly contained in the conceal carries subchapter at or code five seventy three three oh one and following and that is the subchapter that specifically deals with they can sell carry of hand guns. There are a few other statutes that have included in the summary today either because it is so closely in our twined with the discussion of conceal carry that it really needs to be discussed along with the other can still carry statutes or because it's a concealed it the statute mentions can sill carry and it doesn't seem to fall under any of the other upcoming categories that will be covering in the study and those are mainly the the few that are at the end of the summary. And so that's where we're headed. The next topic that will be covering at when we move on to the next topic will be the possession and general use of farm subchapter that is arkansas code five seventy three one oh one and following and a lot of those statues are often in or twined with the concealed carry statutes but we will not be getting to all of those today they'll come up when we when we move on to that topic and those are the sites used that generally cover what we refer to is and carry and other general thorough statutes that we have in state law. There are also several statutes in our code dealing with law enforcement officers prosecutors and some other public officials that are authorized to carry weapons that will be covered later in other sections when we discuss their specific topics. And also just keep in mind that my summaries are summaries they're not one hundred percent m. A re stating the full text of the statute and so there may be times when we need to refer to the actual statute. The first one that will talk about is five seventy three one twenty two and that is a in that general possession and and use subchapter but it is closely in our top tried with concealed carry and so it's hard to talk about concealed carry in the places that you can carry firearms without referring to that statute so I have included it and I would like to note if you have a copy of my summary that you obtained before today that you may have printed off from the internet apologized there was a typo that I caught yesterday. And that is in that very first summary where it says that the statue provides that except as provided in sections five seventy three that should be three twenty two not one twenty two. So if your says one twenty two just change that to three twenty two. And so once again the section that worth discussing is five seventy three one twenty two. And that covers carrying a far arm in publicly own buildings or facilities. In this the statutes are printed out in your exhibit too. So this section provides that except as provided in sections five seventy three three twenty two five seventy three three o six sixteen twenty one one forty seven. And this section. And so we'll be getting two three twenty two and three o six we won't be covering sixteen twenty one one forty seven today that is a statute that deals with m prosecuting attorneys possessing firearms so will cover it that later. And said this section provides that except as otherwise provided in those sections. The general rule is that it is unlawful for a person other than a law enforcement officer to carry your possess a loaded firearm in any probably owned building or facility the state capital grounds or the justice building with exceptions and I just want to point out the rule of the day will be there are exceptions there are exceptions to the exceptions almost every setting that we talk about will mention exceptions and cross reference other stats use that also have exceptions. And so that that is the case so with exceptions. That include a person with a conceal carry lawsons and five seventy three three oh one may leave his or her weapon in his or her vehicle there are exceptions for a person with an enhanced consiler carry losses and are five seventy three three twenty two and there are a few other exceptions that I didn't specifically delineate but they're also included in twenty two. And so generally that that is what that section provides. Will move on to five seventy three three o one which is the definitions chapter or section for the subchapter and it includes definitions of their specific terms that i've listed. Bad seventy three three o two provides that the director of the division of the arkansas date police has the authority to issue a license to carry a concealed hand gun to a qualified person. Section five seventy three three o three provides immunity for a state county city or employee of such entity from civil damages resulting from a considerable carry license. Section five seventy three three o four sets out exemptions provides that a current or former law enforcement officer or detention center employee is exempt from these licensing requirements. If otherwise authorized security a concealed handgun. And that is covered in more debt than title twelve and so will get to that later. Five seventy three three oh five sets out a criminal criminal penalty it provides that it's a class b misdemeanor to submit a false answer to any question on the application for a can still carry license. Five seventy three three o six is the prohibited places section of the concern carries subchapter. And so this section generally provides that except is provided under five seventy three three twenty two g which is the enhanced can sill carry subdivision will get too later so except as provided there a concealed handgun is not permitted in certain places. They are various exceptions contained in different places but the prohibited places that are listed in three of six include and this is my summary it includes basically law enforcement officers detenting facilities jails and prisons court houses. The meeting place of a governing body of any governmental energy a meeting of the general assembly state offices athletic events establishments other than restaurants that serve alcohol. A school or college building or event except for a k twelve. Kindergarten through twelfth grade private school that allows concealed carry the passenger terminal of an airport at church any place that can sill carry as prohibited by federal law a parade or demonstration that requires a permit and the last eight is a participant. Any place where the owner of the property or the person in control of the property posts are noticed prohibited can still carry hand guns or otherwise communicates to a person that that prohibition exists. And a posted far armed sensitive area under section five seventy three three twenty five that will get to you later. And said those are the the generally prohibited places. Five seventy three three oh seven. List of license holders this section provides that the division of arkansas date police shall maintain a listing of conceal carry losses holders that is available to any law enforcement agency. Five seventy three three o eight. Sets out the. Is she went or denial of the losses sets out the grounds for denial of a conceal carry license including a conviction for a valid misdemeanor or an offense of carrying a weapon within the last five years. If the county share for chief of police from the applicants place of residents submits an affidavit stating that the applicant is the danger to himself or others. In order to the community at large and this section also sets out notice requirements and appeal procedures for the applicant if they're application is denied. Five seventy three three oh nine sets out three requirements to qualify for a license to carry a concealed handgun. Including generally that the person is a US citizen or permanent resident a resident of the state. They must sign or alleged to the country and the state of arkansas must be twenty one years of age or older with exceptions for those that are eighteen and in the military. A person must have no mental or physical infirmity that prevents the safe hand handling of a handgun no felony convictions not subject to any law that makes it unlock or to possess a firearm. Does not chronicly or permittedly use their controlled substance or alcohol to the extent that his or her normal faculties are impaired. The person desires to courier concealed handgun has not been adjudicated mentally incompetent is not a feature of does not have an active warrant out for their arrest and has completed a training course as prescribed by the arkansas state please. Section five seventy three three ten requires the director at the art state police to promulgate an application for a used bad applicants. Five seventy three three eleven sets out the procedure for applying for a license including submitting the application registration fee fingerprants signing a waiver authorizing the arkansas state police to access medical criminal or at the records and submitting a digital photograph. Five seventy three three twelve sets out grounds for revocation available. Including if a person becomes ineligible under the criteria set forth and five seventy three three oh eight a or five seventy three three oh nine. If a person is convicted of a crime involving the use of a weapon if a person is convicted of an alcohol related offence committed wall carrying a hand gan. Five seventy three three thirteen deals with the expiration and renewal of a license provides that are license e may renew his or her losses no more than ninety days prior to the expiration day a license that is not reneeded by the expiration date may be renewed upon payment of a late fee unless six months have passed from the expiration and then they would have to apply for a new license. Five seventy three three fourteen. Deals with the last destroyed or difficult license and change of address. This requires a licensee to notify the director of the division of arkansas state police upon a permanent change of address or the loss of a license and permits the replacement of a lost or destroyed license upon payment of a fee. Five seventy three three fifteen. Permits a lot of z to carry a concealed handgun along with the license or an electronic copy along with valid identification. Five seventy three three sixteen provides that fees paid under this subchapter shall be deposited into the department of arkansas state police find. Five seventy three three seventeen permits the director of the division of arkansas state police to promulgate rules to permit the efficient administration of the concealed handgun subchapter. And that's what will get to you at the next meeting. Five seventy three three eighteen provides at an instructor authorized to conduct a training course shall check student applications for completeness accuracy and legibility. And an instructor who repeatedly fells to do so may have his or her instructor license revoked. Five seventy three three nineteen provides that a person who leaves to arkansas from another state where here she had a license to carry a concealed handgun may transfer their license to arkansas. But i've seventy three three twenty set south the requirements for an active or honourably discharged military member to obtain a license to carry a concealed hand again. Five seventy three three twenty one. Provides at a person who cares a license to carry a consultant guy and issue by another state is entitled to the same privileges in this state. As a person who has a license in this date. Five seventy three three twenty two. Is very long and you may want to refer to the actual statue my summary is long I tried to include everything but there's a lot in this statute and the title are the the the total of the section is concealed handguns in a university college or community college building and that's what it covers but in g and h is at where it sets out the requirements for an enhanced could sell carry license and so those with the sections that cover that. And so I talk about those first. In subsection g there's a provision for the director of the arkansas state police to approve training courses for concealed carry entered this section which allow a licensee upon completion to be given a consiled carry endorsement indicating that the person is permitted to possess and carry it concealed handgun in the buildings and on the grounds of a public university. Subsection h provides at a person with these endorsements under subsection g is exempt from several prohibitions and restrictions that what other was apply this permits the licensee to carry a concealed hand gun in a publicly own building under five seventy three one twenty two. And permits concealed carry of a hand gun in certain prohibited places listed and five seventy three three oh six. And there are several exceptions. Subsections bcd e n j of this section specifically provide instruction concerning conceal carry and public universities subsection b provides at a licensee who has completed the training and subsection g may possess a concealed handgun in the building and on the grounds of a public university unless otherwise prohibited by this section or five seventy three three oh six. Subsection c provides it a licensee who has completed the training and subsection may possess a concealed hand gun in the building and on the grounds of a private university or private college unless otherwise prohibited by this section or five seventy three three oh six if the private university does not adopt a policy expressly disallowing the caring of a handgun. If a private university adopts a policy prohibiting hand guns it shall post notices and as described in five seventy three three o six eighteen. And it may only allow concealed hand guns. And subdivision c2b and c provide that if the policy is adopted a notice joby posted. Subsection d prohibits the storage of a hand gun in a university dormitory or residence. Subsection e provides with certain exceptions that a person may not carry a concealed handgun into a building at a public university where a meeting concerning or events and disciplinary procedures is being held. Subsection earth provides the section does not affect a loss and seasonability to store a concealed handgun in his or her vehicle and five seventy three three o six thirteen bv or five. A subsection j provides in an employee of a public university is not required to consider to carry a concealed handgun unless that's required by their job description but they may do so as a matter of personal choice. The. So next is five seventy three three twenty three this provides exemptions for members of the post prison transfer board and that's the board that was formerly known as the parole board but as of january one of this year it's now the post prison transfer board. So there was members or investigators or revocation hearing judges for the board are authorized to carry a considered gun if their license under this chapter. Into a building or location where a law enforcement officer may carry a hand gan while this individual is on official business of the board. Five seventy three three twenty four provides that a license to carry concealed handgun under this chapter shall not be denied because a person is exercising his or her rock to carry a firearm under the second amendment or article two section five of the arkansas constitution or the arkansas code. It prohibits the state police from promogating a role that would result in the suspension or revocation of a can still carry losses because a person possessed a hand gun when the person was not. I think it means engaged in a criminal offence or violation of section five seventy three three oh six. Five seventy three three twenty five. Involves firearms instead of areas in security plans. And this section permits the arkansas state hospital uams or an institution of her learning that is hosting a college and athletic event. To submit a security plan for approval by the arkansas state police they're prohibits the possession of a concealed hand gan balances and designated areas and it sets out the requirements for a security plan including specific details such as the total number of people expected at the event the number of exits and entrances and other specific details. There is no five seventy three three twenty six. Five seventy three three twenty seven. Covers voluntary mental health treatment and the section creates a path away for a person who is voluntarily mental health treatment to subsequently. Obtainable license to courier concealed handgun by later following a petition and circuit court. The section sets out the requirements and the procedure to be followed when a petition is filed under this section a court shall enter an order graining a petition when advanced that the petitioner is not likely to act in a manner that is a danger to public safety and that granting the petition would not be contrary to the public interest. Five seventy three three twenty eight deals with members of the board of corrections. And it permits a member who has a license he entered this subchapter to carry a concealed hand gun into a building or location where a law enforcement officer may carry a hand again. Five seventy three three twenty nine provides that the purpose of this subchapter is to establish considerable carry losses in for the purpose. Of providing license reciprocity and other states that require a license to carry a concealed hand gun the subchapter does not require a person to obtain a loss and in order to carry a concealed hand gun in arkansas. And so that concludes the conceal carries subchapter. The other sections that have included. Umm or seven one one o one which is in the elections title and this section provides that a license to period consider handgun is an acceptable document to verify voda registration. Twenty fifty six three oh eight. Deals with the far arm rights protections for medical marijuana cardholders and this section provides that a person status as a qualifying medical marijuana patient under the arkansas medical marijuana amendment if two thousand sixteen. Or can someone constitution in a minimum ninety eight section five earth. Is confidential information that shall might be disclosed about the department of health to the division of our console state police in relation to a criminal history check for a concealed hand gun lawsons under five seventy three three or one and following. It prohibits the division of arkansas state police from considering a person status as a qualifying patient and determining whether the applicant is eligible for a license security considerable handgun. And the last section is part of the arkansas freedom of information act twenty five nineteen one oh five. Subdivision b nineteen of that section provides that a record. Related to the issue and renewal expiration suspension or ravacation of a license to carry a concealed handgun or a passed or present licensee under five seventy three three oh one and following is not subject to examination and copying under the arkansas free number of information act. And so that concludes my summary if anyone has any questions if it involves interpretation of law or policy i'll defer those to the attorney general but any other questions i'm happy to try to answer. Okay thank you thank you very much miss mister for my co chair has a question this will be for you mismitten would you update the committee on the. The atm medical marijuana. Yes sorry this is alex better deputy attorney general and director of intergovernmental affairs and for ten griffin with the update is their husband nothing and believe sense the state police set their response to atf's letter I have not heard anything but i'm happy to check. To insure that we haven't received any other communications I will say i've seen some news articles that have did noted that the federal government is starting to look at their medical marine water of their mirror wanna policies are but no changes have been announced from the federal government yet. Thank you mam. Okay next that we have senator hammer your recognized for question thank you for sure to stay out first volunteer seventy three three o nine it says regarding allegiance to the country and state of our consultant. Do you know if we if within that that law or any the others that are listed there are any allowances to deny an application or to withdraw a permit. If a person knowingly. Identifies himself. With a. Country or organization that is regarded as terrorist by the US g. And as soon as I can't answer that question. I'm not asking for interpretation could I direct it to the ag then. The office must do yes sir I think that's probably our best bet okay. Senator I apologize that I do not know the answer to your question i'm happy to do some research but I think if your question is. Are there provisions or maybe perhaps rules that have been promulgated under the subsection and that would allow for somebody to have removal on that same basis I don't know the answers we sit here today but we can certainly find out but I just like i'm not asking for interpretations just in any of these that are on the sheet do they have any allowances. That a permit could be withdrawn or denied if they person knowingly pledges allegiance or is affiliated with the terrorist organization as recognized by the state or the us government. I do not see that carified in that same subsection in three oh nine but if they're if that exists in another subsection of law we can find out and report back mischeer could we request after research that and bring them back to the committee if that's what you want to handle it. We sir can also send out was going to maybe recommend that that in a low while when we have state police come up we might uh you might could ask that okay thank you thank you. Next up sooner boy irrecognized for questions thank you mr chair I have to what I think will be a quick questions from his bin so number one does any of this prevent a constable from carrying firearm anywhere in the state or or they limited anyhow by any of this. Senator i'm not sure if they are a certified law enforcement officer or not I would need to check that would be my threshold question to be able to to answer but they can I can certainly find that out with chair mr chairs permission would you just find the answer that share it with the committee. And then secondly i'm just again I think I know the answer but i'm confirming what I think I know there's seventy three dash three or two could the director of the division of arkansas they police single handedly just choose to quit issue and concealed carry hang gun licenses the way it's written or do we have enough other provisions in there to protect against that thank you. I'm sorry I may ask you to restate that that last question just one more time. Microphone off. Um could the director of the division of arkansas state police just single hand single handedly under five dash seventy three dash there are two since it authorizes. That person to issue can sell carry handgun license is there enough other you know like we've got five dash seventy three three away says these are the reasons we could prevent someone from having a console. But does that statute by itself like just give them the person the power to just say we're going to quit issuing these licenses in the state of arkansas for political reasons or. Personal reasons or whatever else no sir they must be that person must be qualified as provided in the subchapter and had been additionally there would also be the rules that are promotated promigated by our consultant police that would also be controlling in that but I couldn't speak to the specific rules on point but short answered now okay thank you. Again say the boy that may also be something that stay police. Next up center stubblefield you recognize request I come out miss chairman as for the ages office could you give me a definition of a constitutional carriage day. Don't believe that that is. What is that constitutional carrier state. It's not a defined legal term start to find in legal terms so it. It seems to me we're paying for a guard given right pay for a conceal hanger and weapon in if if you have one. If you have one you have to get notification through it in a church correct. I don't believe that i'm not i'm not sure about the church I believe that the law is very confusing and I actually have a recommendation in that same vein to help fix this confusion in our console at the end of this meeting however I believe that our console law states in church is specifically that they are not prohibited places but rather that a church could disallow it with signage and that would be a decision that each church could make on their own so that it is a permitted slunder seven other act seven seven six. You could carry a handburn in a church conceal without seeking permission. So you actually have more freedom then you would by having a could see permit. In accident seven six where is that cautified service I can follow along. X seven seven six seven seven seven three house bill baghdad was based on the talk versus. Arkansas pay. You may also if you don't have a could see your career permit you can also enter a business. With a no guns on but if you do have a concealed carry permit you cannot enter that business. Legally. I would make a distinction there senator that it would you're still in violation but there are no criminal penalties that all attach and the the consequences of a violation if you are in possession of a license would be a potential revocation of your license but still the letter of the lies as it would be a violation of a under title five. Your mistake uh you know we talk about resuprocity how many states are there. That have opened legally you can open carrier weapon i'm sorry without a permit I don't know the answer that is thirty six thirty six state. Ah. And finally I just want to make one quick state but when when I will went to. Renewal concealed carry permit the director of the state police told me to throw it away. These did you don't need it or cost of curious day. Those were his words to me. So I did not renew. I think that if the if the sentiment that you're asking is whether or not there is any use I think that it's a fair assessment to state that a concealed carrier permit under current arkansas statutory scheme the only benefit would be for rest april city across state lines I think that that's accurate yesterday and I do have a recommendation at the end of this committee meeting at two a sweden concerns that that and to fix that and if there is only twenty seven states that. Deal with rest proceeding you could travel to the other thirty six without. Have an area huawei might be an outlayer in that but yes sir well I don't think you're going to give hundred yet gotta why you would. That's all I have right now much chairman thank you center next step I center urban you're recognized for a question thank you mr chair just along the lines of what senator boyd was am asking about the constables one of the things that I think we just need to look for is making sure that our definitions are consistent throughout so I know when I was sent some research in another area in twenty one dash five dash seven oh one it talks about police officers and there is a definition of police officers that is included constables and nightmares and so that's just something that I think we need to make sure that we're consistent that we maybe should be speaking instead of police officer law enforcement officer and so. I would just incourage you know all of us to look at to make sure those definitions are consistent throughout our code as it refers to a quote unquote law enforcement officer because if we think of police we think of municipalities and police not share of deputies constables though correctional officers so I just I want to make sure that we're consistent that's just something that for this committee but also for our staff to look into but if that's okay mr chair just to make sure that our definitions throughout these different codes as it relates to these types of issues but also benefits retirement things like that that were all consistent thank you mister share. Thank you. Next step replacement gas way you recognize for question thank you mister chairman I just want to get some clarity the way I understand the statutes because basically. It looks like we go through a whole lot of convoluted who what when where. For several statutes through a dormitory college campus sporting events vehicles all to end with five seventy three three twenty nine to say. That all of this is just for the purpose of reciprocity. And that this subchapter does not require a person to obtain a license. In order to consider carrier concealed handgun in arkansas. So I just want to clarify it seems that the whole point of all of this when you get to the end is simply reciprocity and that you don't have to have a concealed. Carry license to carry concealed in arkansas that accurate. Yes so that is accurate and without spoiling the recommendations that our office is going to bring at the end of this meeting and we do have a a proposed recommendation for this committee to take into consider that we're a sensibly get rid of a regular concealed carry permit in our consultant moved to just one carrying scheme or one licensing scheme that is basically enhanced and where you can go into the code and you can look at a list and you can say I don't have a license this is where I can carry and I do have a license to these are the extra places that I can carry I meant to simplify that in layman's terms where you don't need to hire a lawyer and cross references your subsections and have double negatives and the code and. Just turn around and scratch your head and be more confused than you started but yes to your original question. Yeah. Say no other questions thank you miss jennifer and of. And miss ben bo four is term next up we will move along for information and responses present first up the archaeology state police for you to have representative from them. Come on the table this time. Membership this time also like to add if we could for the sake of term and efficiency in the meeting if we can keep our questions to being simply questions and there will be plenty of time for recommendations and dots and opinions as we go down the road but right now if we can have questions be questions we would be grateful job please identify yourself for the record. Mike moyer service major for the regulatory division. Tiffly diagnosed have a little with the regulatory division. The. Thank you all very much for me here you are recognized. In reviewing our statutes and some of the recent changes there are just a couple of things that we have noted that were enacted that. Have some issues with federal law one of them of course is the medical marine exception that as you know resulted in a letter from the eightieth that has caused a potential that we would lose our next alternative status which would mean that can sell carry license holders wouldn't have the ability to use that concealed carry permit to purchase a weapon and forgo the next check when they did so. So that that was our main concern there. Um. Some of the language that's in there too can be a little bit. Confusing and as far as the uhm. The conceal carry without a license it might be helpful if that statute clarified that there are still prohibited places for caring without a license listed under the general weapons code it would apply to people who choose to carry with that license we think that would be helpful to point out because we do get questions about that as well. Thank you very much. The. Do we have any questions for state police at this time. Senator bought you got in first your recognition mister chair i'm just gonna repeat my question from before based on your interpretation could the director of the division of arkansas state police single handedly just choose to quit issue and considered handgun carry licenses for. Some reason or another I mean political or otherwise. The. I believe the year statute says may issue so. I would have to research further to see if there's anywhere that exercise shell. Okay so if it's may then. Gives him authority but it doesn't necessarily at fault correct thank you next step center hammer you recognize think the sheer you'll may hurt my question earlier so is there anything in any of the codes that allows you to deny permit or withdraw permit if a person knowingly alleges lines himself with a tears organization as recognized by stability chart US government. If we were aware of it I mean there's nothing that specifically says that we can it's night addressed in the rules or anything like that of course the statement of allegence is required on the application if they didn't sign that statement we wouldn't approve the application it would be denied but other than that I think it would depend on what kind of proof we had and put the rules say about replication we would have to make that determination independently based on what information we had and how we received it fell insurance. Yes sir. Do you have the latitude. On your. Individual interpretation to its hold that permit. Or would you need something stronger than what we currently have in order to be able to do that. We believe we would need something stronger in order to do that okay thank you thank you senator if I could also add as far as the signing the allegiance that is based on. The applicants honestly just like a lot of the boxes that they have to check to say that they're not a habitual drug user that's going to be based on the app consonancy too. Thank you next up center chesterfield you're recognized for a question thank you mr chair do you guys post when you're providing these classes are you the one hooper back the class is that people take so that they can engage in safeguard use and get the conceal curious no we have registered instructors they do that and how does one contact those registered instructors. We publish the list on our website and it's available to the public. Okay so we need what is your website. The department of public safety website there is a subsection for arkansas state police and there's a link specifically for forum safety instructors on the state police website alright thank you. Thank you saying saying no other questions. We thank you they call for being here skilled i'm sorry center stubblefield your recognized might went thank you mister martin one quick question and by where I appreciate more than you'll ever realize long and is strong strong supporter of law enforcement and I appreciate what you do I hope we can get this a lot of these seems clear for adding and straight down where our cams as it will know and get some consistency in our laws are taken lost but what is it what's the total amount of fees you take in each year for good seal care promise. I might have to ask them from our fiscal department to come up but okay. Please identify yourself for the record movement. Karen perry cfo. Four of m. For fiscal year twenty twenty three for a full year we brought in a million dollars one million one million that she is for. What what does that money use primarily for. It's used to operate the concealed handgun program and then any fines that are left over it's just used for agency operations okay that's all thank you. Saying you're recognized again sir how much do you use for operations are that being do you have that number. Our budget for concealed hand guns is about eight hundred thousand so that just leaves about two hundred thousand to go towards the agency. Okay are you matched out on your or you might matched out on your eight hundred I mean you said is eight hundred what you used last time. Yes. So. That would leave about two hundred thousand left over for agency use and that's probably mostly it's going to go toward salaries for state police because we don't get enough general revenue for salaries so we have to use our special revenue to make up the difference so you guys aren't making a killing of the same given the fact that trolley carrying over two hundred thousand constant majority of that me and then it's going toward making sure the permit so if the same went away the hit to your budget would be net two hundred thousand could you no longer have need for that eight hundred thousand zero a correct interpretation or mole on there. That would be correct that we do have twelve employees that are fall under this eight hundred thousand. Okay are they are they certified law enforcement officers that could be placed somewhere else or. What what would happen to them well they are staffed a process that can sealed hang on applications okay thank you. Thank you. Senator chesterfield you're recognized i'm a met the website and I see instructors names but I don't see phone numbers. In that sort of thing that would tell me how I would be able to contact them. Well a lot of them were saying na as you see a few numbers so that the ones that have not available or none whatever the ina means those are people who were not able to talk to you at all what is it they may have asked us not to publish their contact information on our website okay so. So you just have to go with the ones that have the numbers probably so you could call them and get the information yes I am where they could always call our concealed carrier section and we were given the information it's instructor would allow us to put it out there yes may I well thank you so much is interesting. Okay saying no further questions. We thank you very much for being here and. We do definitely appreciate what you do thank you. Are committed moving on next up we will. Information or responses presented by game and fish at this time. Yeah. Good afternoon everybody i'm also boothed director of the arkansas and fish commission we have no response to the materials or the status is that we're present earlier but I certainly look forward to any questions that you mayor. Do we have questions from the committee for game in fish regarding this topic. Seeing nine director boots. Way all the cold everything. That's so fast. The. Yeah. Soon arrives you are recognized sir they get like gregor boost getting the head of me. Appreciate your bedroom direct move do we have a commission membership today. No sir okay matt are quite new you've. Told me and I think you've told others that you're fallen tant the arts are game fish comply with arkansas. Yes. Do you feel like the commission is sadly behind you with that same settlement one hundred percent without it outside okay about too much a go you've said here. After being after being made aware. Of not will sand grass state of arguments in far as which was considered. Wrong with state that. And you can use stated I believe those at all being taken now is that correct. My recollection of what I said senator was at the ones that we knew about at that harm had been taken down okay how is it that the director. Can make that kind of statement in the agency and the commission. That runs. Arkansas game and fish commission. Does not get that message out in the renew sands being put too much later at to be in my backyard in it really is not a point but it have wondered if it was. Uh don't so the. We brought to my attention to show me the they can still do it uphead things like that. In years past. With arkansas game and fifteen hundred related some of them saying to you. So can you give me some reasoning why that happened I can give you a reasoning service it's not a good one we had a miscommunication between my office and the commissioners and the song shop that produces the science it was totally unacceptable and I in I take responsibility for it I can assure you that the employees that operate the side shop no. Fully what my expectation is and I don't expect for anything similar to happen again I can also say that that we have looked at and inspected over four hundred sounds that are concerned and like I said back in august when a the chairs a letter was that I was incredibly grateful for the way that use under kicked this effort off by focusing on the current state of our laws and the need for good dialogue I and I believe what I said in that letter was essentially that it's taken us a very long time for us to get to this point and if I could snap my fingers overnight and and wish all the sounds to be fixed that that's what I would do without hesitation but the it was going to take us so so time to evaluate every single green son we have an arkansas and a I totally understand the cinema that people might look at that wasn't scepticism but I can assure you that that's the case the sign I believe it at hekel leg access area never should have been put up we do not have any new signs going up with any language like this and I brought this sign today at the senator as a symbol sender for you and everybody else here to understand that we take this seriously and I did bring this just to make sure that nobody photo shops me on the internet we're not going to see any more fire along where not going to see any more sounds like this going up. Okay and appreciate that and I understand things happen. But again the director in the commission. Take this maybe out of. Something has been stated but if you have said. We're not going to do this. Deal up put out some memo what what agency what age ok sands i'm not saying the maker. I'm saying is it your enforcement part of your age you see the long portion of part of your agency does that know sir we have a sand shop that operates out of our operations to say who gives them the authority. Who says go go make these sand go provide who says to do that. What what part of the agency. Our operations divisions are okay the operations division ut know what the director in the commission as stated publicly too much previous and am that i'm not just ding in on you yes we have had this kind of stuff. Since i've been down there since two thousand and it better I appreciate what time is appreciate what you've done appreciate. Our relationship I think your stand up god seem to can be. But I know some of the law enforced the some of the attorneys I don't know if they're still there or not because i've had. Confrontation. With a bit feel like they're way above regular law enforcement. Not allow to remember great but some problems have in the attitude maybe that's ageing out of opening us. But that's where I felt like this came from an hope you and the commission. Can relay to them. That for the game in tash to be successful can have good working relationships into a bad by the state of arkansas. They need to listen to the director in the commission and I and amount is since the year as I can be because I think you're mean the best for the state of arkansas own I think you do a good job I just think some somebody down there needs pay attention to what you were but new messages. Yes sir and if I could respond I can't speak to a with the agency was like before I got here two and a half years ago but I can't see that there is not a single bit of day light between me and our general council and our law enforcement the this was not in in any way and effort to say that we're ignoring or the world do we want it was a miscommunication between my office and our operations division it's been handled and you won't see it again I preject out I know you could save some money for you to get it message quicker even dave money on your sand I guess sir. Center coach air hill your recognize. Director booth stretch string van again you made a comment that you know it's not going to happen again scores are sands girl. Well as many fans as you'll have out here across the state is easy. To miss one by accident who does this body need or do the public need to reach out to if they see one of those hands created taking. The short answer is they have lots of different options as I said that we've one that works right that we all we've already inspected four hundred signs were you taken dozens down already and this was one that never should have been put up but they can email me austin that booth at egfc dot AR dog that goes works a concern and email to ask agc adc they can let in the one of the old but the truth is we want to get these answers taken care of and the the sooner that we can find out where they are the better okay thank you we all understand mistakes happen people are involved human era played into something but the let's just try to get on top of it sir. Seeing no further questions. Uh. I'm going to both appreciate you being here appreciate what the agency does please I think I can speak for the committee please relay our our appreciation to your officers what they do but there laugh on the learn just like her state place we're we're grateful yes sir thank you thank you all right committee next up we will have. Information and responses from the chiefs of police association do we have a reption from them here today. Does not appear so next up the prosecutor coordinator's office. Yeah. Committee would do say by having questions for. Prosecutor corner saying that I thank you next up the share of association. Direct breadline. It members we have in question for the sheriff's association. Up direct rather we do have a question if you'd come up that's I just have at some point that I do think we're gonna have to talk about how these laws are. How they're able if prosecutors are able to prosecute and there them or not in so I think at some point the prosecutor attorneys association we've we've got to figure out you know if laws can be. I mean if they have teeth the number of and and I think at some point work we're going to have to get a little bit more information on the enforcement of walls or as a written or. Or are they overly prosecutable at if that makes sense. They even need to be on the books or not so I think at some point we need to have that come well and in server to that point I think as we move. A little bit further down the road with our when we get our recommendations and start compiling we will at that point we will definitely help to have input from from the prosecutors association or according to offset that time anyway okay last up department transportation. Do we have in questions for department translation. I say no thank you very much. Uhm now next app will be public comment just to reminder that the topic for today's meeting is concealed carry laws. You'll be permitted to provide public comments only on the topic we are covering today. And our meeting on january twenty fourth we will get into detail regarding the conceal carry regulations as promulgated by the archaeo state police as we go forward over the next several months we will take up a different topic each month. And you may provide your comments on those topics at that time please keep your comments to the committee related to the topic of today's meeting. All right first up we have um miss cora gentry. If you would please identify yourself for the record and. The. My name is correct entry MA. Here too provided information to the section. To your committee I applied your. Vas um duty to clarify I can see your career laws not only as to hand guns revolvers and long earns because that has always been a problem I am a retired are consolidate police lieutenant I retired in august of twenty twenty with over twenty five years of service to state police are do not represent state police today um i'm also a licensed arkansas attorney being licensed since eighty four and practice eleven years before coming to work with state police. From two thousand three to two thousand fifteen I was also the state police legislatively aside i've worked with many of the legislators in this room to help their legislation or. Any capacity from two thousand five until two thousand and eighteen I supervised the conceal carry license section um I was instrumental in revising the conceal rules and twenty twenty seven twenty twenty nine. Or two thousand nine weather two thousand seven in two thousand nine am brought the conceal carrier section online as they are now we designed and implemented the license that they have now with the photo on it um I also helped design the enhanced license. So I can answer a lot of questions that you know why is that there. I will be able to answer that umm i've watched the previous videos of excuse me all the committee meetings online and I want to clarify some of the comments that were made. By the committee or to the committee that I feel a relevant and important. I believe it was made the assumption of the criminal history the the conceal carry licensing section c can be seen by all law enforcement in the state of arkansas that is not correct. Can see your caree sees what it's called the national information check system the next database which is what a farm transaction goes through if you go to purchase so there are a lot more information in that database and the only people in arkansas that have access to that database is acic the argument saw crime information center and arkansas state police can see your carey section so it is not the same they do have more information when they go to issue that license. We talk about if it was talked about and position opinion by legal immigrants that can see your carry laws and rules are intended to mirror the federal laws so we could have the exemption to the next check at the point of purchase but they have to show that there are us citizen or a permanent legal resident and we talked about temporary restraining orders and how they have an effect on the license temporary restraining orders unless they specifically state that the person is not to have firearms. The. Aren't prohibitive there is only when it gets to a permanent restraining order and they have had a right to adhering. They talk earlier about whether the state place audits the conceal carry instructors or over my years that I was there we have made numerous telephone enquiries telephone audit I would always receive anonymous tips. From anyone if I could verify who the introductory they were complaining on I didn't care with their name you know who's the instructor what are they doing and we have acted on things like that such as instructors giving too short of a class back when we recorded to be a certain number of hours. Well we would usually investigate well we would investigate that but it would usually turn out to be they were teaching so the applicant could apply to another state yet the other states license and then be able to carry in arkansas so we do follow those that also examples of they weren't using a real firearm for the range fire they were using seminations and the department clarified no real gun real amount you've also talked about reciprocity there is no official reciprocity it's not a mandatory too way street. Arkansas does accept look until carry licenses upon transfer my concern is that when our candidates travel out of state that is arkansas falls out of all that of what we call the next exemption if atf doesn't respond nicely to the letter that the department sent then. That puts it. For lack of better word estain on to conceal carry license and it could affect whether all can see what your arkansas can see we'll carry licensees can carry in other states as they trial or gardens of whether they. Use medical marijuana one or not and at the pleasure of the chair i've been up and for any questions. We have in questions from the committee. Seeing no man we thank you for being here appreciate your comments. Uh next up we have missed episode. All right thank you very much sir. Yes. Um. Mr nathan house. Please identify yourself for the record. Good afternoon my name is nathan house on the owner and president of arkansas armory and a can still carry instructor here in the state of arkansas i'm also aware an elected constable and a deputy share of though i'm just speaking on the behalf of myself and in our business today. Thank you for being here sir you recognize thank you sir I appreciate appreciate the committee's time today below did a good job again going over a bunch of statutes that were in an exhibit c one and see two that were closely interesting with the consiler carry section II also wanted to to bring up two additional laws that that are not in those exhibits that I also believe were very closely intertine with the can still carry loss in the state of arkansas specifically arkansas code annotated fourteen sixteen five or four and fourteen fifty four fourteen eleven now both of these laws in say the same thing except one is directed towards municipalities and cities and the other one is directed towards countings and if I could if you if I can just read briefly it says inference is fourteen sixteen five or four section b one a it says a local unit of government shall not enact any ordinance or regulation pertaining to or regulate in any other manner the ownership transfer transportation carrying or possession of far arms ammunition for farms or components of farms. Except as otherwise provided in state or federal law now what that is more commonly referred to as is state perhaps our legislature gets together and decides on what is what the laws should be for the state of arkansas as it pertains to firearms however the way the both of these codes are written it'll it allows the cities and countings to in essence make their own rules about when and where you can and cannot carry so if you've got five hundred different cities out there there can be five hundred different rules about how we carry and we see that especially in places like little rock eightieth you know for instance the this body passed the the enhanced consultant law that allows people to carry into publicly own buildings and facilities but if for example example today you wanted to go to the large zoo you could not do so even with an enhanced consiler carry license because the city of little rock at the urging of the will at the recommendation of the municipally the the attorneys that represent the cities have said that cities are entities that can choose whether or not they wish to prohibit concealed carry and the reason is because of those last words that are right around except as otherwise provided in state with federal law specifically where the referring to is arkansas code annotated a five three o six section eighteen if i'm not mistaken so if it may they basically have said a city is an entity that can choose to sign off a particular a particular place so I just wanted to to bring this both of these statutes to the attention of the committees are thinking about what status relate to the ability of a citizen to carry concealed state of arkansas and and I would encourage this day to get rid of at least that last little bit of language except it says except as otherwise provided in state or federal law because in essence we've allowed our cities to go out there and in choose whether or not they allow people to carry. In the inter city facilities with even though they might have the enhanced concealed carry license so it worked at a year the rest of my time thank you very much for him from me today and i'm willing to answer any questions if you have. Okay yeah so we have a couple questions first my co chair sooner hill recounts for question mister household here at I think what you're you're bringing up to us today that we will touch on the next meeting in so I think uh thank you like what we're going to do at that one will be able to get with you in some these issues that may be repair will be all i'll brought forward at first part of the next meeting thanks sir sorry if I got ahead not no problem next up center mark johnson you're recognized for question. Thank you mister chairman of which house since our senate chair just told me we're going to talk about that next month I will defer and I hope you'll be here I would like to specifically discuss that with you so with that I will you back my term thank you. Thank you for your recognizer question thank you mister chairman I got fourteen sixteen five o four what was the other window. Yes sir. There are two different ones fourteen fifty four fourteen eleven and fourteen sixteen five o four so fourteen fifty four fourteen eleven was the other go to reference thank you. Thank you saying no further questions in yes I want to answer center johnson's question where this will make sure we click I will be the next meeting which will actually be before the end of this month who were having to to this month. Thank you mischair I have the. Notorious sign on my phone I took a picture of the one at the like zoo and it says that the bottom mr chairman by the order of the city manager. Now I don't know if that means that it was done by an administrative order versus some kind of a local ordinance or whatever and mister house I don't know if you even know the answer that and I think these are questions we need to get some answers to that i've always been put off by the side because I think this is a sign saying to people. This is a good freeze on therefore no kids are safe because nobody that's carrying is in there to provide any protection so appreciate the fact that you're looking at this at whatever time thank you in thank mister house thank you for bringing that to our attention we we we've noted it in the it will be addressed. The. Thank you next up for public comment we have. This leora. Okay thank you ma'am all right with that we are. Back to miss alex bitten with the attorney gerald's office to. Come up in provide some comments. Pardon me mister chairman or slow moving now I understand. Again for the record alex bent and deputy attorney general and director office of intergovernmental affairs. The. Jacob start doing jacob's deputy solicitor general attorney general. And mr chair with with your permission I think we've got quite a few recommendations that we'd like to bring to the committee today. But really the first is an overarching principle of the recommendation and I hinted out it earlier in my comments that the attorney general's position is that we should move from two licensing schemes to one that currently are console law and the plane jane can sell carry licensing scheme does not really afford anybody much more other than reciprocity so it would make sense to move from your constitutional carry provisions in our console law and then to have a circuit section that would be what we've now know is enhanced but would just be a conceal carry statute and would carry forth at all of the privileges that are currently codified in enhanced and additionally some clarifications to that so that would also include reciprocity but also the enhanced or this one licensing scheme would move for allowances to carry and otherwise prohibited locations and that would give you part of me that would give the license holder it would afford them all of the privileges that are currently afforded by the enhanced carrier and actually some of the recommendations would afford them a few more privileges because we'd like to clarify where you can and can't carry and architect law there are some inconsistencies which i'll get to additionally so that that would be made that would conclude my first recommendation and i'm subject to your general questions on that. Okay there's time I like records. I moved at a subcommittee move forward to the consideration and further discussion of this recommendation. So. Okay. So additionally you can have to book mark these two trains of thoughts as we go through i'm going to organize a few other recommendations to be. For the law the changes in arkansas for constitutional carrier for without a license and then later all kind of bookmark for you guys to follow along when we go to the enhance. The. This happens very rarely but I screwed up wrap this door we need to go back to the motion right by sender hill. I didn't realize that the term that we need to get a second and and vote on that. Uh so that was my mistake I apologize to repeat yep so if i'm against this time i'm going to have the senator hit all repeaters motion i'll i'll accept a second and then we'll and then the community will vote I moved at the soaked medium of four with consideration and further discussion of this recommendation on the concealed last and that though. Mismitten. We have a second all in favor so yeah the opposed. Seeing them motion passes thank you our apologize get back after mr previous kind of the the two general parts of recommendations that i'm going to give you today again one is going to be without a license if you are a constitutional carry your citizen that does not want to obtain a conceal carry license under this new structure that that we are proposing today and then the second bucket of recommendations being if you would like to get a license if you have this what we now call enhanced. Moving forward since it would be the only licensing scheme it would just i'll just call it concealed carry for purposes of today so if I target between conceal carrier or enhanced carrier please know that I mean in hants as it stands today and the only licensing structure as it as our recommendation would be to move forward if I am discussing something regarding the regular can sell carry licensing scheme as it relates to arkansas laws we sit here today I will mark that and make that distinction for you. Are the second recommendation that I have is pardon me so again we're with without a license constitutional carry land here and but the constitutional carrier provisions and the conceal that are as we sit here today if you have a concealed carry license we need to mirror federal law regarding the gunfree school sounds act and what I mean there is that are console talks about the developed property other catherine twelve school which differs slightly from federal law and it really doesn't put our citizens on notice of where these zones began the developed property could potentially include your driving up to a high school and there is a a lot that has a welding shop and then the students go there that's part of the developed property but there's no signage you don't see the high school signs on it and you're really not on notice that that's not very helpful what is developed property mean whereas a thousand feet of a school is very clear it's consistent with federal law. The reason that the rent this recommendation is coming from the attorney general's office as well as the really merit metal medical marine and mirror wanna the only areas in law will be different between what a federal crime and what's a state crime or rather what it's not a seat crime. And it is the attorney generals belief that that inconsistency should not be permitted throughout the code that arkansas edition citizens should be aware of one more and be able to follow that and we should not deviate from that. Further. The ad that are consider our kensings should not have to decide am I going to comply with arkansas or american complaint with federal law today it is just not good policy and it's given confusion as we've seen an example with medical marijuana etf the letter that has come from them it's it's caused some downstream unintended consequences. So that would be our recommendation would be to move. To making the language in the code consistent with the federal gun free schools and it's act regarding a thousand feet. That concludes my recommendation subject your questions. Thank you representative forty recollect. Thank you mister chairman I move that to subcommittee move forward with consideration further discussion of this recommendation. We have a second uh when a discussion on motion. Center. Published question. Just got a question of your word if you motion I can ask it after. Okay uh save no further discussion on the motion i'll in favor say I oppose. The royal motion passes thank you alright sooner of which question thank you and we had some discussion on this in the past. We understand the federal lol is what it is. We won't. School safety to is much high that we can. When we drive down the street now or had this conversation with you when you drive down the street. That joe and school property. You're not gonna go on school property. But you're within a thousand feet of the school building that children are in and are federal all technically you're illegal. What we're talking about doing here is mirroring federal law were a thought when I heard you read i'm sorry I don't prevent me thing close to understanding some of the staff but I think what I heard you say the. Inconsistency with the state law would allow the amount wrong no sir you're not wrong there isn't inconsistency with state law that would allow somebody without a license to carry onto potentially out of school property in violation of federal law I think the the important distinction that I didn't do a great job of of denoting earlier is that federal law states that without a license you may not be within that thousand feet but if you do have a license you are allowed. So in state that's where the state law and consistency is the state law arkansas law does not make that distinction between licensed and unlicensed correct i'm sorry I had to stay about came back here and when you were talking about something in in the architect that was different in a federal I took it that you had to be on. School property was a not wrong. I'm sorry the on school property with to be in violation of the federal violation and grow down street and arkansas. Even though it's federal and roger low. With no large and what I rode you scott getting my vehicle I brought down the street that joined school property within a thousand foot of billing with kids in it. But I don't go on school property I don't stop having going down the street. Is there something in arkansas now that any glasses. They keep to have been a violation no sir. It is a violation it is not a violation of statement if we mare a federal all. It's gonna be violation is that correct that's correct it would bring it in line with federal law and would make it a state law biologist without a license committee to understand in people people don't know not thank about it because they're not it's not their intentional school property. With their definitely within thousandth. Yes our senator the only other distinction I would also make with with your leave would be. That the officer would not have probable caused to pull somebody over for mir possession of a concealed carry weapon in their vehicle because there would be no no factual basis for that probable cars stop it would merely be in additional charge if there was another crime being committed so for example you're driving drunk you're swerving they pull you over and they also find that you have a concealed carry weapon in your within a thousand feet of a school that would just be an additional charge that they could bring against you and it wouldn't III would have a hard time. Conclucting a hypothetical ware. There would be enough probable cause for an officer to make a stop. Purely based on concealed carrier because it's concealed where it being a little bit of a conspiracy there's in in my my own with what's going on in our country now in some places I don't worry a lot about argued although we're doing things for arkansas. Declarify but there are places. Better than like that could happen used to get a second at the answer you you can trup up. You know something and get start so realized. Everything if thank you can happen but one of the thing are you are you going to dress the show. We're talking we've talked about being consistent are you gonna do that next month. Referencing served the provisions in the asp direct director. May or shall there so conflict I understand and they had in in that will be a fixed for that. Yes so as I have as we sit here today I don't have authority to make that recommendation on behalf of the attorney general's office but I have no objection to that as I sit here today and i'd be happy to to bring that back to determine for his decision point of I don't have an objection to that and just chairs if if we can make a no less discuss that next time. Yeah sorry the note has been made thank you all right next up center stubblefield you recognize. Okay sooner boy oh oh okay i'm so administered. Yeah. Thank you alex you know I have read a lot and I keep up with federal arguments and. There are many in washington dc who would who would love to confiscate every gun in this country from private citizens. If they could if they had the authority to do that in the more the more we really wish our sovereignty in this day to protect our home citizens that troubles me. That troubles me because it when we had started adopting federal guidelines. There there's too many there's too many people who have worked for twenty years in washington to try to constitute every gun from a private citizen in the in every state I just. So I have a real problem with this. The. Is the unsouthern. I mean with the light more than the like sent to find. Rest of soul she worked for twenty years to try to get every gun in the country confiscated. Taken away from privacy. I certainly would not endorse the attorney general is not recommending or endorsing anything of that nature but rather I think bringing clearly inconsistency to arkansas and putting them on notice of what is illegal and what is it instead of. Making a distinction between state and federal lies outside of the already enshrined differences in arkansas constitution regarding marijuana the attorney general doesn't believe that that is good policy to have citizens where they have to make a choice of which law are they going to follow and in which criminal penalties might be imposed on them depending on which laws they want to follow. Well there has to be a better way than joining hands with a federal government on this because we there's too many stated art odds with a federal government over gun laws now this best to me is the wrong route to go so anyway thank you mister chairman thank you sir next senator boy your recognized request. Thank you mister chair I don't want to like dwell on this but now that we've talked about automobiles like i'm thinking and for its smith I have some houses which are clearly within a thousand feet of schools. Is there an exception in there for. Yeah. Yes sir so under federal law there is an exception for a private property not a part of school grounds and that would be concealed and open carry so private property would not be impacted okay seemingly though if I just had a. No license in I had a car and I wanted to transport a gun I mean some point i'm hitting public property and i'm gonna be within thousand feet and I mean I can their neighborhoods definitely within so thank you sorry no I would certainly night right I would certainly be happy to explore with the committee some further recommendations that would further ensuring that but in protect those people that is certainly not something that we are closed off to doing and it is not excluded from a recommendations today thank you. Next step representative gazaway you're recognized for a question thank you mister chairman so I certainly understand the need for consistency and in having that consistency you eliminate. Hopefully eliminate the confusion that our cances may have about whether or not they're complying with federal law where the they're complying with state law. But I guess my concern is related to the enforcement so you know if you have state law mirror the federal law. And I understand and i'd like your opinion on this understand that when a state officer or a local officer arrest someone. That the federal authorities can bring federal charges I suppose based on an arrest made by state. State of officer and local officer. But it's not that common that you see the fair to pick up. And file charges on a rest or investigations conducted by a state law enforcement agency or a local line for some agency. I think part of the concern is is if you started to have state mar mirror federal law in a respect. You know maybe we wanted to allow more latitude in the state than what the federal law allows for purposes of. Not allowing state officers to inforce. What would otherwise require a federal officer to enforce. Because. You know if you allow a state officer to make a rest that typically would be the jurisdiction of the federal officers. Then you're going to have a lot more police saying in a lot more rest on in areas where we may not want people arrested in arkansas does this make sense and so can you speak to how the enforcement. How this would affect it enforcement with regard to the federal authorities in the state and local authorities think you representative and yes I am absolutely tracking what you're saying I would be hesitant to make any representations about what enforcement may look like um on behalf of state police I don't know what that would. How they would interpret that what what any prosecutor may do I don't want to speak on behalf of prosecuting coordinators office but you absolutely tracking what you're saying. Is there a gigas if there's anything that I could answer in terms of an analysis of the law. Instead of rather enforcement i'd add certainly be happy to feel that question. The. Yeah. Yeah. Is that it. Thank you sir okay there's better than you may continue thank you sir. Again where were in the without a license bucket of recommendations I currently are console law prohibits constitutional carrier at bus stops. And why is this a problem is because bus stops could be at the curb of your own home it could be at your local stop sign it could be at a private business's parking lot there is really no signage and also bus stops have convert a temporary time frame that attaches to them. It is is a bus stop only from 730 in the morning and that doesn't put our citizens or notice whatsoever about when and where i'm sorry school bus stops and not a greyhound by stuff I need to make that distinction. So theoretically I could be in violation of arkansas while if I want to constitutionally carry or conceal carry at my local start sign with my child as they wait for the school bus and that seems just quite bizarre quite frankly. Nap just concludes that recommendation subject to your questions. Center hill you're recognized. I'd like to move as a so committee move forward with consideration for the discussion on this recommendation. How much we have a second. All right we have a second way discussion on the motion. Center stomfield. Yes sir so I think the recommendation is to completely remove the prohibition of carrying at a bus stop because a bus stop means what it arkansas are like that you bet seeing no further discussion all in favor so in your post they might thank you there's been may continue next recommendation is there currently arkansas law also prohibits currying in quote any place where a parade or demonstration requiring a permit is being held and the licensee is a participant in the parade or demonstration. The issue here is that there's a bizarre distinction that seems to be made between a participant of a parade in an observer of a parade. Or there could be a question of are you a purchase a pent and a parade because you are an observer of the parade it it there is no definition there of participant. Additionally you can while it walk one block over and not be a quote participant of the parade and they are there you could carry but not at the parade so our recommendation would be striking that provision in total and that concludes that recommendation subject to your questions. Thank you represent fortnight reckless. Thank you mister thank you mister chairman I moved forward a move that subcommittee move forward with consideration and further discussion of this recommendation we have a second. We having discussion on the motion. C nine all in favor say any pose thank you. Best better please continue the final recommendation in the section without a license. Is that currently arkansas law states that any person who has found guilty of knowingly violating the section in our arkansas regarding currying inside schools shall be guilty of a class defeloning we're not making a recommendation of the change of that classification but rather the statute goes on to state that a judge is not allowed to give a suspended sentence is not allowed to order probation and is not allowed to treat that conviction as a first offence and there's not any discernable policy as to why a court should not be able to suspend that sentence you may say well of course it's in a school we would like to be harsh on those penalties and we want to take the discretion away from the court however it takes. By taking that discretion away from the court in. Not allowing them to do a suspended senate or probation you take away the courts ability to look at the totality of the circumstances and one example that we thought of in this is if a teacher has a concealed weapon in her purse and she forgets her folder to grade papers in her classroom on the weekend and she wants to go up and obtain that folder that would be a class defelony and it's a victim of crime because no children are in the school and we're not going to allow her to serve probation or a suspended sentence we're going to take the discretionary from the judge in if she's convicted of a class defending just seems inconsistent with principles of of justice so we would recommend striking the language that would take away the courts ability to suspend a sentence to order probation or to treat the conviction as a first defence and that concludes that recommendation about your recognized requesting. Oh I want to make a motion to adopt that. Go ahead. Notion I make a motion with the resolution is just read on recommendation yes okay well that we have a second second discussion on the motion. Senator stumble yes i'd like to have this effect to school that have teachers that are teaching that are armed. Hope it would have to be in violation of the law so if they are if the teachers are armed and curing and they are not in violation of arkansas this would not come into play at all so it wouldn't have any effect necessarily okay seeing no other discussion all in favor say are in your pose. Thank you all right miss betty please continue. Okay now I am going to move on to the bucket of recommendations. That regard a regarding a license to carry and again I want to note for members that I might call it enhanced because that's what it is as we sit here today but moving forward with these recommendations there would only be one licensing scheme and it would be a concealed carry license so if I can flake or use those two terms please give me some great on that and know that I mean the wine statutory licensing scheme moving forward. So additionally we've got some some language that doesn't track with the federal gun free schools owns it are console law. Makes a distinction talks about developed property again it doesn't track the thousand feet of a school however the difference that may have switched some previous concerns regarding the federal gun free schools I act is that there is no crime if you have a license. And you are in a school sound it is not a federal crime whatsoever so we're not we're not advocating for any change we do not want to make it a crime we don't there there's no differentiation from the feds on this point but it is merely just tracking that same statutory language for consistency purposes regarding a thousand feet and so this would be a benefit of having a license federal law would be allowing you to carry into a schools own however or recommendation also is to make it clear that to any citizen regarding their law arkansas that they may carry on school grounds to pick their children up if there's you know sitting in line waiting to to pick them up however it would not permit them to inter school buildings which is currently arkansas while that is not a change that is not a deviation as we sit here today arkansas would not allow you to to walk inside of the school with a gun so just want to make sure that I make that distinction so again I can carry in my purse in the pickup line when I pick my child up from school no inconsistencies but again just tracking to make that sure that there's consistent language of regarding the thousand feet that concludes my recommendation subject to your questions would you repeat that you can make sure everyone heard what you were saying just think that I think that was pretty important the the very last part so yes the hope the hope the whole of the whole gift of just make it short and fast yes so ok so it would near the federal gun free school's own act regarding a thousand feet and it would change the language and are console law regarding developed property in this recommendation is to make it clear to any citizen reading our laws that they can carry on school grounds to pick their chapter children from school but they may not carry inside of a school building that is not a deviation from are console law it's not a substantial deviation it would be more of a language clean up and a clarification so this would make it clear that you can carry when picking your child up in line. For school and but did you may not enter the building and again this is not a deviation from federal light is not a federal crime so long as you have a license. Does I move the submittee move forward this consideration and further discussion of this recommendation. Do we have to say i'm second and discussion on the motion. See not all in favor say I pose what. Okay. Reserve a room. Yes I asked what the clarification are questioning for clarification if that's okay go ahead thank you mister you mentioned specifically inside of a building so what about school activities that are not inside of the building that are on school property such as a football game etc baseball game they would then be able to carry no sir the the buildings would include any athletic facilities theater shop welding it would be any structure structure okay so it doesn't have to be an inclused building just any structure yes sir they mean thank you mister chair this are okay miss mine please continue your bill a great job thank you. So currently arkansas law has confusing language about carrying a concealed loaded firearm in a quote publicly own building under the enhanced license but it is not clear whatsoever so our recommendation is that the language of the new concealed carry licensing scheme be clear that the license would allow you to carry in certain state buildings and because the law right now is very clear that you can carry with an enhanced and the state capital building but it's very ambiguous as to what other state buildings would be included in that for example state seat law should be clear that yes you can carry into the state capital and you can also carry into. The department of agriculture or df and a and these other state buildings the the language is just not clear whatsoever and it would be odd to make a distinction that were disfavor of the state capital in terms of safety and not other buildings that are state and publicly owned so that concludes that recommendation subject to your questions. The. Yeah. So here you have questions yes miss mingle how would this affect the county courthouses of courthouses are treated distinctly i'm not sure about county courthouses specifically but it's circuit courts and the the judges have and I actually have a recommendation on that as well to follow back I believe that there is a provision are console all that allows for a court to decide if you are a bailiff and it officer of the court or any other person that needs court approval to be able to carry inside the court rooms so this would not impact this recommendation should not impact the the court system I have a separate recommendation separate and apart from the court system okay I guess I was mainly curious of the different swing or local courthouses as far as court as well where the county judges located the treasure sector in all the if you can care you wouldn't carry and excite capital that you can't carry in there. I think it would be very fact dependent because i'm thinking of home independence county I believe that those buildings are one and the same your treasurer's house in the same building that your circuit court it is housed in so believe it would be a fact specific inquiry but i'm happy to explore that further great thank you yes. Senator johnson the question. You are recognized thank you mister was better a little bit of a follow up on the center heels question. I'm aware of the difference between eighth court building where the court mates in circuit judges have their chambers and rules order and a city administrative building. Where the assessor's office the treasurer's office isn't you go into pay or session taxes can you differentiate in the language recommending on how that would be treated it would seem to me that you have a regular flow of citizens into that. I'm a collect business office building as opposed to a courthouse that where there's actually court going on as you said in some carriers it may be the same building but can you where there is a differentiation can you clarify yeah so thank you for your question the the difference would be the recommendation will be yes to be able to carry inside of just an assessor standalone building it is a long as court is not being held in that same building now then to follow up mister I recommend a lot of people forget. There is a thing called the county court in the county court is the county jerch and if the caddy judge's office was in that building would he be able to say what i'm the court therefore you can't carry in this building theoretically of course that is a great question and i've got the statute here by I don't I haven't thought of. That to be quite honest and i'd be happy to look at it and bring that back to the committees attention and I have been I believe that the statute. The. Currently does not make a distinction between circuit and county just talks about the court but we could do that that state and make that distinction. You could I would want to do some further legal research as to separation of powers doctrines that may apply to the judicial branch being able to control the practice and procedures of their courtrooms over the historically. The county judge had many more clause or judicial even judicial functions that are pretty well been going gone by the way side in replaced by sebsequent courts and things but it's still in there in could if you could help us clarify that I think it's I think someone's going to assess and they're paying I think they are they've got a permit they'll be able to go in there might be thank you miss chairman thank you. Represent you are recognizer thank you mr chairman I moved it to subcommittee move forward with consideration and further discussion of this recommendation. We have a motion to have a second have a second discussion on the motion. The. See now now in favor say I owes. Those passenger mismatch and please continue some very similar to my previous recommendation is that current arkansas law prohibits securing a concealed weapon in a meeting of any government entity or meeting of the general assembly except for meetings that occur in the state capital building. So it's confusing in inconsistent for example I know if the senate agriculture committee wants to go to south arkansas to discuss some issues there and hold a committee meeting you you're precluded by arkansas laws we sit here today to carry into that committee meeting by two of it being outside of the capital four walls of the capital seems to be a bit bizarre distinction so we would recommend allowing concealed carrier all these types of meetings under the enhanced carry just as you would be allowed to deal in the state capital building and that concludes that recommendation. Thank you recognize at the property I moved a subcommittee move forward consideration and further discussion and recommendation. The. I have a motion to have a second second we have in discussion on the motion. Seem earned all in favor say app in your post motion passes. Thank you please continue to spend. Very oddly concealed curious is clarified in total five which is the criminal code in arkansas but does not carry any criminal penalties for certain violations of the subchapters in concealed carry and so instead of where our recommendation is not that we that we attach a missing or that or that you rather attach mister meaner or a felony to some of these but instead to make it a violation I will finds could attach just like you would with traffic court the phones could range from anywhere to two hundred and fifty to ten thousand dollars whatever the the legislature sees bet but you've got it for example where this becomes an issue is you know abc rules permit certain locations to post signs that disallow concealed carrier where alcohol is being served. And if someone. With a license violates this subchapter currently arkansas law would allow only for a revocation of their license no other penalties. And therefore if you do not have a license if you are just constitutional carry no violations would attach to you whatsoever so in fact obtaining a license would not provide you a privilege but would actually be prohibitive in this example so I recommendation would be to ensure that violations regarding concealed carrier or actually commizer it with the offense and that we are not impeding or rather punishing folks for getting a license. Instead of night and you should not have a penalty for obtaining a license and no penalty because you did not have a license that would conclude that recommendation subject to your questions. All right representative fortner. The. Your reckless sir thank you mister chairman I moved that the subcommittee moved forward with consideration and further discussion of this recommendation. I like we have a second second really discussion on the motion. See million those in favor sar in the opposite. Motion passes miss better. And in this is somewhat more of a a vague recommendation but there is a lot of unclear language in arkansas law regarding airports this is in instance where we have tracked a lot of federal law but we have night brought their definitions and it's very unclear. To anybody reading the statutes for example. The term passenger terminal is adopted regarding carrying inside of an airport and it says that you are allowed to carry concealed in a passenger terminal but there's no definition that has followed into arkansas. And this is problematic because I suspect if you poll anybody off of the street and are considering you ask them why do you think a passenger terminal is. They think i'm at my gate i'm sipping on starbucks at my gate in the concourse this is my passenger terminal well federal law makes a distinction there and says the entire airport is passenger terminal including your baggage claim where you go to check your backs prior to going past tsa check points and it is the recommendation should be that we're having clear language does not need to track federal law necessarily but that we are being very clear that we are not encouraging people to conceal carry past tsa checkpoints that we that is in fact prohibited by arkansas. And so that we're conclude this recommendation i'm subject to your questions. So you're recognized that suddenly move four different consideration further discussions recommendation. Now the motion I have a second in discussion on the motion. Seem like I was in favor sar in your police. Alright they know motion passes miss benton please continue. The. Currently are consoled law prohibits excuse me colleges and universities from a prohibiting weapons for events other than college at sporting events however arkansas law also allows for signs to be posted by other private entities that would disallow concealed weapons if alcohol is being served so what happens when a college or university wants to use a facility for a non sporting event such as a concert and they also want to serve alcohol at this think that there is a a question clarity could be served in in the committees work here of are these colleges in universities are they allowed to post signs prohibiting weapons specifically if alcohol is being served as you allow in other areas of law II believe that they are but it there it's it's unclear and there is some. Want for clarification in arkansas statutes as to that so the recommendation to be clear is that anybody covered by an alcohol permit is allowed to prohibit weapons on their premises and that concludes this recommendation. Okay represent fortnight you recognize. Thank you mister chairman I moved to subcommittee move forward with consideration and for the discussion of this recommendation. I would motion we have a second. At the same discussion on the motion. The. Same that all those senators double fill your recognized. Chairman. It's legal now to walk into a bar and arkansas with considered. Yes there are without a license there are no there are no penalties that would attach for doing so so these are these entities you're talking about they could they could start there. Simply by putting up sign that no so that's that I think the recommendation I want to be clear is is not that we would. The. And i'm sorry i'm not I guess i'm not clear the distinction that you're trying to i've been trying to make it towards consistent where they can post a scientist disallow firearms and then somebody with her without a license if they did. Continued to carry and violation of the posted signage there could be a violation if the committee decides to go forward with the the fines scheme but separately the pockets system with. Consist or with what. The. I'm sorry consistent with with what. If if the committee were to adopt the recommendation and to further disgust about violations as as I mentioned earlier about the fines attaching as if they were a traffic fine then yes there could be a violation that would attach because they have a license. And they've entered a facility with a consult weapon when there have been posted signs that they should not. Have carrier weapons inside of that facility I think the the real harm though with having this inconsistency in the war is not on necessarily the gun owner but rather the entity itself could lose their liquor license be fined there's insurance implications and there's a lot of downstream effects and when why we allow per entities and businesses that serve out the whole two place that signage and as a as a matter of policy it would be consistent for a public university to also be able to post signs to disallow weapons when alcohol is being served and that that's the key parties when alcohol is being served at a non athletic event. The. Okay thank you german italy. The. Any other discussion on the motion. Questions or whatever saying none always a favorite say I oppose. Motion passes miss bentley may continue. Alluded to this earlier but there's language regarding in arkansas code that is a little confusing. Just based on the way that it was drafted regarding who can carry inside of a courthouse and arkansas the provision says that it gives an exception to the list of prohibited places saying that a prohibition of curing inside of the prohibited places does not apply to quote and officer of the court comma bailiff comma or other person who comma with authorities authorization by the court comma possesses a firearm in the courtroom of any court or a courthouse of this state. The the senate structure in a way that a court may look to interpret this is that the officer of the court must have authorization that a balif must also have court authorization but also that any other person must also have court authorization to carry so it seems odd that you would list to but then say over the third group of people can be anybody as well. So the recommendation is just to simplify this language to make it very clear that any person who has been authorized by the court to conceal carrier inside of a courtroom record house may do so and to not have an odd comma displacement that would muddy the waters there cause you're saying the same thing three different ways in this subsection of code and it's just inconsistent and so that complete my recommendation. Thank you senator hill your recognize. The motoring that the seventeen move forward the consideration further discussion and recommendation set you have a recorders record thank you. Alex can you clarify that we were passed a few minutes ago. Clarify for me the different between the courthouse and a court room. What room it may be in a courthouse but is this. This stating you cannot carry in the courthouse. The. Yes sir so currently are console law. Talks about possessing a firearm in the courtroom of any court or a courthouse of this state so I recommendation is to simplify that language further to provide clarity we don't have a recommendation as I sit here today about whether or not that should be court room or court house I believe courtroom would probably be the you would have to do court house because you kick it to the court room without entering the courthouse. But self their inextricable of one the. The gerge not the county the judge of the courtroom. Has authority over their court I have quoted with some of their rulings. Canada has routing of the court house. Here's what what you've. Suggesting. That we're gonna do is is gonna. Say cannot be in the courthouse. No sorry if i'm going to the clark selfless and it's not already prohibited. Are you saying it's prohibited right now and then we have some judges that. It did it you are saying that statewide yes sir as we sit here today or console law says that if you're clear is also in your courthouse you may not carry in that entire building without authorization from the court. Furniture okay that's the clarify from the county judge. That is I believe the distinction that that senator johnson asked me about earlier that I need to democrats sorry when they are left in. Go back to the cheers on this that we we need to further discussion. Only as because courthouse you can have the home extension service you've got tag office you've got assessor. Yet treasure you get carry george clerk you have all kinds of things in there you gave the airport pay. Uh. Or is it scared before. In there so if a county jerred right now says it's okay to carry. We're freaks to make that. They are legally. No sir where are the recommendation is not to make that illegal the recommendation is to keep it that the judge may make that distinction most go back to your you don't at court room or court house the i'm not trying to be difficult at this different. I don't have a recommendation for you today of making a distinction between court room and court house I believe that would certainly be appropriate for further discussion by the committee because it's just what we're in the mass with greedy needs think about that because court room you've got two parties usually an ad with each other you've got a different temperament I mean there may be a reason for that when you get courthouse general business I mean you either go to leave you gonna leave a power amount of vehicle. And attended. Or or you may have considered and go in there what a real so I i'd like to have some. Uh for their discussion. The. Upset arise if i. If I could just a reminder. That that's a lot of what these recommendations are is to help us. Um see these things we are going to have I know in our next meeting further discussion on all the stuff in over the next several months. Right now and I appreciate i'm glad that you are but that's for the whole committee don't feel like don't feel like we're taken you know this and this is it and this is going to be what we turn out these are going to be discussion points of moving forward okay next step we have senator johnson you're recognized for question thank you mr chairman and thank you for indulging me though i'm not a member of the subcommittee alights. Officer the court in quotations but I have a constituent who was involved in litigation these an attorney. He was said he couldn't carry and a particular courthouse in arkansas although he says it's very clear i'm an office through the court because he's a licensed arkansas attorney. Does this do anything to help clarify that or at least put it on the committee in there for the general assembly's radar to clarify. Sir I am aware of the litigation that you that you mention and I believe it may be an appropriate for me to sit here today and comment on that litigation not covered by officials on the process that we're here trying to to do. So I believe it's just the process that i'm as I sit here today over arching themes and goals of my office providing recommendation is to identify inconsistencies within the code and to identify areas where clarity could be beneficial for the committee to consider when looking at fixing these laws that that would be the general overview okay so we have. The journal simply changes the law it would in regardless of the outcome many pending litigation based on current law we would we could clarify that where it would be i'll say more clear not maybe perfectly clear but more clear than where we are right now with that. Be a goal where we could go on under we could statutory do that it's what i'm saying. Yeah sorry I believe the legislature could change their laws at any time and and provide clarity as they see fet regardless of any litigation that may or may not be occurring on the laws that issue thank you thank you. Senator hammer you're recognized for a thing expanding on center right have come in while going something unless I miss their study you said you got to go through the court house to get to the court rim so downstairs county we've got a courtroom that is a totally standalone building not attached to any. Any physical feature of the courthouse itself would that court room be considered part of the court house property. Or as an annex is it automatically covered under the terminology the lot. Senator generally without having the benefit of seeing the property I would assume that probably the clerk's office is also in this notes not at all okay then I would believe that the court room would. Very likely be considered the courthouse because I would have a hard time understand finding a way to say that a courthouse it is a courthouse by nature absent a court rim. So I believe a if it's a standalone courtroom it would be the courthouse. Okay I would just committee to that consideration because the unique situation you got a court room that stand alone separate. Because they've just clear some confusion or try to clear up I think so thank you thank you. Okay committee. That will. I think wrap up our discussion phase of this motion. We haven't we had emotion in a second we were in the schedule phased all in favor say a in your pose. Okay the motion passes. That's better employees continue. Last line I promise. This. Yeah. So again this is in the same bean of pointing out just a mere inconsistency in the law and there is no recommendation as to how to change it more of a recommendation to the body that these two inconsistent provisions become inconsistent in our console law. So specifically going to your chart that was provided to you today and exhibit see why the second time last page or can sort code annotated five seventy three three twenty eight. Permits a member of the board of corrections who is a licensee under this chapter to conceal carry into a building or a location where a law enforcement officer may courier hand gun but if you go to page five in the same packet on five seventy three three twenty three regarding the post prison transfer board. In which were previously was called the parallel board it has a very similar but different exemption and the only distinction for the post prison transfer board is that they may carry inside a building of or location where a law enforcement officer may carry a hand gun win the individual is on official business of the board so you just have one clients at the very end of the the pural board but it doesn't also attach to the board of corrections provision I have no recommendation specifically for the body there there is no policy that are office is taking on how to fix that just that there isn't inconsistency that we wanted to flag there for you and that concludes that recommendation send you here you're recognized miss better referring to that whenever with it not be appropriate persons to strike that less in situation just while ago uk it would would be appropriate for you to either strike that last sentence in the post prison transfer board or you could add that clause to the other one where it misses or making no recommendation as we sit here today as to which you should do but there is that inconsistency but yes that you could do it by either striking it or adding it to the other one if you would only get ready to are scracking. A week and a half now would you put that on yesterday thank you. Your recognized again sender hill. The. Sweet. All right thanks I didn't want to remind you of one in the audience and all those listing that these are just recommendations to further or their study is not saying we're doing this is to further study there so i'll make sure that is known to the public this is to further study. So please keep that in mind yeah what we're doing on the on the side of it they say in being said I would like to say that the representative miller has had the longest game and fish commission state place meeting I think in history. At least at least i'll be known for something. Mr chair if I may remind you he might make a motion on the last recommendation before we move on. Thank you I would like to make the motion there that this upcoming move for consideration and further discussion of the recommendation saying any discussion. Same time all in favor say up oppose position passes thank you miss ben we appreciate your work. Home. If I can get this frog swallowed in my throat i'll be a little bit better folks the next meeting is scheduled for january twenty fourth uh two thousand twenty four one thirty PM to consider discussed can sill carry regulations concerning firearms. Now after that the on february twelfth two thousand twenty four we will take up any recommendations regarding revisions to the fire arms laws related to conceal carry laws and regulations covered in january and hunting which was covered in december to remember only remember only members of the subcommittee will be permitted to make recommendations. If you have a proposed recommendation to present to the subcommittee please email a short summary of your proposal to matching beaver our committee analysts by thursday february eighth two thousand twenty four. 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