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ALC-Occupational Licensing Review Subcommittee

February 18, 2020 ·2:30 PM ·Room B, MAC ·43:18
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Senator Missy Irvin Unverified 5:30
We're five minutes over and it's raining outside and I know people want to get home. So one of the things that I want to, so I'll turn it back over to him whenever he gets here. One of the things that I wanted to comment on was the governor issued, I guess, executive order to create an additional task force on occupational licensing. And I know that Senator John Cooper and Representative Bruce Cozart are going to be chairing that task force, I believe. And so I wanted to recognize, so there was perhaps some confusion about what we're doing and what they're going to do. And so I think we're going to be going down two different paths, but kind of simultaneously and parallel. So I wanted to represent of Cozart to recognize you. if you want to just kind of talk us through this so we're a little more clear. Thank you. Thank you, Madam Chair.
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Representative Bruce Cozart Unverified 6:29
The working group is what it is. It's not a task force. It's a working group, and this is what we did about three years ago when I believe Senator Dismayne was pro tem at that time and Speaker Jeremy Gillum got together and put this together from the NCSL coming with 16 states from across the different places in the nation to work on occupational licensing and try to figure out and solve some of the problems. So we put that, the governor put that group together at that time and what we're actually doing is he put this back together at some recommendation from the NCSL meetings that we were at to keep this going to try to work with our OLAC group, which is all of our licensing groups and probably some of them out there today to keep communication going and what's needed and what's going. But it actually has no legislative authority other than it will give a report to the governor, but it will not have any legislation coming out of it. No, we can make recommendations for legislation, but we would make them to you at this group. But it's nothing that we will come out with as that group will do legislation that I know of. I don't think so. We could do it individually. Any legislative owner could always do legislation. We can't keep them from doing that. But we're here to work with the OLAC group and to coincide with anything you need us to do. But we are not here to do your job in this committee.
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Senator Missy Irvin Unverified 8:00
Correct. I'll let you know that. Thank you. And so they're going to be working, I think, through the processes of how these licenses are acquired with all those different folks representing those different licensing authorities and agencies. Okay. So if you have any questions about that, I would just let you get with Representative Cozart. But we are going to march on and do our job here in this and to continue to review the different items that we have before us. So, with that, I'm going to go to Exhibit C. Representative Dotson, do you want to pursue these? Now, why don't you go ahead and talk about these different? But I think is the Arkansas Motor Vehicle Commission here and present? okay so they can come up but you want to go ahead and just talk about them at
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Representative Jim Dotson Unverified 9:04
this point sure um thank you madam chair uh last month we had a list of of these things come out in our last meeting and looking through the list over the last month um or from last month's meeting went through here and looked and saw then i didn't realize it before and i think probably most of us never realized that salespeople are licensed for automotive sales and I'm not sure how many states we license a salesperson for a to be an automobile salesperson or a ATV salesperson but it sounds kind of like a I don't know what sort of training or or requirements they have to go through in order to become a licensed salesperson doesn't seem like there's a lot necessarily it's just a fee that everybody gets charged and so looking at it it it appears to be kind of a pointless license just that we're taking money out of the pockets of hard-working Arkansans trying to earn a living for their families and I'd make a recommendation that we do away with it so that's what that recommendation is for the other one was with regards to all the various fees that they're all over the board with regards to some of them are 900 annually some of them are 400 annually and just a recommendation that those would be a little bit more consistent with regards to what the fees are that we're charging motor vehicle or dealers manufacturers distributors and the like and so my motion would have been for further development of a recommendation prior to inclusion in the final report of of doing away with those salesperson licenses as well as making the the annual fees for manufacturers, distributors, branches, and the like more consistent across the board. Okay. Before
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Senator Missy Irvin Unverified 11:24
we go and take, before we have questions, I'm going to let the folks from Arkansas Motor Vehicle Commission come to the table and discuss this recommendation, whether they would agree with it or disagree with it. I also would point out, do we also have Arkansas Department of Labor and Licensing present? Or can you be prepared to discuss this report from them? Arkansas Department of Labor and Licensing? The financials that you... I'm looking at this? Yes, ma'am. Somebody who can come to the table, go ahead and come forward as well. Come to the table and can talk about this. okay all right if you'll just state your names for the record then you are recognized to speak my name is Sandy
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Speaker 21 12:21
Stroop I'm the director of the Arkansas
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Speaker 22 12:23
Motor Vehicle Commission okay I'm Denise Oxley I'm general counsel for the Department of Labor
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Speaker 23 12:34
and Licensing okay thank you go ahead okay specifically here we're talking about some of the license pardon me and fighting allergies that we charge in our agency. One of the things that we talked about that was discussed here has to do with the salesperson. And what I did is did a little survey of all of the people around different states that border Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Oklahoma, and Tennessee, and requested information from their agencies as to what they charge for all of these licenses, and we're kind of in the middle. We're a little high on some. We're a little low on others, and the only state that doesn't charge for salespeople is Missouri, and Tennessee is higher, Oklahoma is higher, Louisiana is higher, and Mississippi is a little below us, but the only state that doesn't license is Missouri, and kind of the reasoning i think behind that has been in the past that if there's not a license for these folks if they do something that is wrong they get caught rolling back odometers which is much more difficult to do today than it used to be but they get caught doing something that's improper then we find out about it when they are trying to apply for a new license then we can keep that from happening so it's a it is a way to keep up with licensees in the state and these are generally not paid by the individual most of the time it's the dealer that actually pays these license fees we we really don't get much complaint from dealers about it at all but you know I'm sure there's some that say they'd rather not but then if you look at all the rest of the fees again they're all pretty close around in the neighboring states as to what we're charging okay
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Senator Missy Irvin Unverified 14:40
do you want to i okay i would like for you to discuss in detail this that you've given us this report the financials yes
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Speaker 23 14:55
okay the letter what we're talking here then uh these numbers, I don't have a physical agent. I'm authorized for a physical agent, but I have been doing that. So I'm the one that kind of puts these numbers together. Okay. We license the manufacturers and the distributors of the manufacturers. And these two numbers that you see right here, the 280,000 and the 77,000, 650, that's the two numbers that come from licensing both the distributor representatives and the salespersons and with that money one of the things we do run our agency obviously but we run fairly fairly lean but one of the things that we really do with that is we have two hundred thousand dollars a year that we issue in grants to education in Arkansas. It either goes to high schools that have programs that are training technicians for the automotive industry or it goes to vocational, some of the colleges, the community colleges that also have the vocational education. And a list of those that I think has been passed out talks about the ones that we have funded around the state. And over the last four years, we have funded approximately $600,000 in grants. And then we got permission to up that from $150,000 a year to $200,000 a year this year. So a lot of those fees that are being paid in the way of license from, I'll say from the manufacturer and distributor representative license, that $280,000, the vast majority of that really goes into education grants. and it's going right back into helping education here in the state of Arkansas. And, of course, most of the dealers are kind of high on this because we're training technicians that can go to work, hopefully, for them later. Okay, like mechanics and?
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Senator Missy Irvin Unverified 16:56
Yes, ma'am. When you say here for fiscal year 2019, your revenues were at $596 and expenditures of $529, so you don't spend all of your money. And so that fund of balance has accumulated over how many years? Well, the agency was
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Speaker 23 17:14
originally in 1975, and I honestly can't tell you when they started having a surplus, but it's been accumulating for several years, which is part of the reason that I asked to increase my funding in the grants last year from $150,000 to $200,000 to try to spend that. And I don't anticipate our income being quite that much this year, and we had a little bit of
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Speaker 21 17:39
an exceptional year, I think, last year, but it still should be in the $575,000 to
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Senator Missy Irvin Unverified 17:45
$580,000 in revenue. Okay. All right. Thank you. Appreciate that. I'm going to recognize Representative Richmond for a question. Thank
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Representative Marcus E. Richmond Unverified 17:54
you, Madam Chair. Do you have resources to replace these grants if it's decided that the fees that are being paid are going to go away? Or what will happen to these grants if we move forward with Representative Dotson's recommendation? Well, obviously
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Speaker 23 18:13
we do have a surplus, and so for the first period of time we would have to dip into that surplus because looking at what that would do, the $357,000 that it would take away if all of that happened, we would not have enough to fund them with monies that are coming in yearly so we would dip into that surplus and we could we can do it as
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Speaker 38 18:36
long as we still have money in the surplus but eventually you're probably going to
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Representative Marcus E. Richmond Unverified 18:41
run out of that money is that correct yes sir and what will happen to these grant program because the reason why i bring this up i've got a i've got a school walden listed here gets almost forty thousand dollars they have an outstanding automotive program. And Walden, Arkansas, the Walden School District is not one of the rich districts like you have up in Northwest Arkansas and some of the other places. They use every single dime of this and they need this. And if that goes away, then, you know, we sit here and we talk a lot about, hey, we need to reform education. We need to look at the trades. We need to do more here and there. but then we're going to cut off the very resource that we're using to help achieve what we say we need to reform and you're telling me that that's not going to be replaced no sir no sir okay if somebody could tell me where we can find the money to replace this then maybe i could be a little more supportive thank you
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Senator Missy Irvin Unverified 19:39
madam chair thank you i'll um invite representative dawson to answer that question whenever he wants to sum that back up any other question representative godfrey thank you
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Representative Megan Godfrey Unverified 19:53
in a minute sorry thank you madam chair mr stroop i is there a license required for used or pre-owned salespeople or representatives or is it only for new vehicles this is
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Speaker 24 20:02
this is new vehicles pardon me we don't license
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Speaker 23 20:04
the used motor vehicle dealers in arkansas the
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Speaker 21 20:07
state police arkansas state police license those thank you thank you madam chair thank you um i'm gonna get
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Senator Missy Irvin Unverified 20:15
all the questions for them and then I'll let you
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Senator Joyce Elliott Unverified 20:20
respond. Senator Elliott. Thank you. Mr. Stroop, along with, I'm clear about the fees, is there some training that goes along with getting the license? Do they just pay and get the license or is there some training that goes along with
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Speaker 23 20:38
it? No ma'am, there's not any training for us. All it takes in the state of Arkansas to be licensed as a salesperson is that you have a job with a licensed dealer and then that dealer fills out the application and sends it in and we license that person with that dealership and
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Senator Joyce Elliott Unverified 20:56
so it so you did say though that the dealer is the one who normally pays for the it's not coming from the person who's actually the salesperson or is it a mixed bag
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Speaker 21 21:07
well i honestly can't answer that I can just tell you that we get the check from
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Speaker 23 21:12
the dealer when we receive an a license for application for license from an individual it actually comes from the dealership because the dealership has to sign off on it and the dealership has to agree that they want to hire this person and we get the check from the dealership whether they ask have it reimbursed I'm not I really can't answer that.
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Senator Jim Hendren Unverified 21:38
Okay. All right. Thanks. Thanks, Madam Chair. Senator Hendren. Thank you, Madam Chair. I just want to know, you mentioned the ability you have if somebody has been unethical or whatever to deny them the license, or have you actually done that? Have people been denied a license because of some sort of unethical behavior in their business? I really can't
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Speaker 23 21:57
say that it has happened since I've been director. I've been there for two years. What we do is if on a license application we ask are they a felon and then if they answer that they are a felon then the dealer has to sign off on that saying they know that this person is a felon or that they've they've been arrested and what happened they have to tell the dealership what happened and then the dealership has to sign off and tell us they're okay with what happened and what what this person did they still want them. okay is
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Senator Jim Hendren Unverified 22:27
there some reason why there's no texas data do we know what they do uh texas was we
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Speaker 21 22:34
tried and i couldn't run anybody down that
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Speaker 23 22:36
that could give that to me i just found out kind of late in the week last week that we were going to be here so i was able to get all these other folks but i wasn't able to
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Senator Mark Johnson Unverified 22:52
run texas down okay thank you thank you okay senator johnson thank you madam chair uh mr stroop thank you for your testimony and i had the same question senator hendron had about texas i know they have some slightly different laws because i've been talking to some people down there about buying a car and it's a little bit different and the thing that has really prompted my question uh and and like representative richmond i've got a community college in my district that benefits from this but it it appears that this is really more of a of a head tax on salesmen is it's not really a licensing thing per se like if you're a lord i shouldn't even use this cosmetologist i mean we make sure you know what happens when you put this stuff on someone's head you know and so you're it's there's an educational aspect as well as just a fee paid to the government, and I'm not, I'm sensitive to the fact that we need to fund these educational programs, and obviously this makes it easier. It's a kind of a low-hanging fruit because these people want to work, and the dealer wants to hire them, and as far as the felons, one of the largest dealers in the state is Steve Landers, and Steve Landers has been proactive about hiring people that have have a criminal background they went to the department of corrections and he's been a to me a good citizen in giving these people a second chance and i'm sure some of them became salesmen later but you know and i applaud steve doing that and he's he's he's it's a it's a ministry to him as much as anything and i appreciate that but I come back to the fact of we're just raising a revenue rather than doing something that has some you mentioned the odometer thing that's almost impossible to change now and I'm not so sure that that's maybe under the state police thing with the used car licensing side of things. My real question had to do with manufacturers and when you talked about a manufacturer's distributor representative is this someone that works for say Ford and they come into Arkansas and kind of their liaisons between Detroit and an Arkansas deal is that kind of who those people are yes sir okay and and the reason that this is so interesting to me is that you're watching the the national you know it's just it's all in the news now the whole way that cars are sold now is blowing up. You've got, and I know it's used cars, but you've got the Carvana thing that's going into West Memphis. Tesla sells directly to the consumer. You go online and you place your order and they kind of bypass the traditional dealership way of doing things. Are they, does Tesla have to sign up with the state of Arkansas? Are they registered through this, for example they sell a lot of cars here but they don't have any they don't have any dealerships i'm just curious if are we do we have a system that is geared toward the buggy whip what may presumably be the buggy whip days of automotive distribution actually right now we do not that
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Speaker 23 26:18
is something that's being looked at very strongly all over the country not just in arkansas right now the ones that are the manufacturers that are licensed are the ones that have bricks and mortar stores here and basically our law says they're supposed to have a bricks and mortar store in order to sell into arkansas tesla is skirting around that there's no doubt about that because they are you can see them on the road all the time but our law is basically designed for the bricks and mortar stores and the manufacturers that supply product to those stores well it it
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Senator Mark Johnson Unverified 26:53
It seems to me that if somebody comes out with a new idea, they're not evading our law. They're just coming, just like if, you know, Amazon didn't have a bricks and mortar place here in Arkansas, but originally they didn't. And, of course, a lot of the other ones that do have a big box, we don't have to name anybody, everybody knows, felt there was a competitive disadvantage, and that's why we've extended the sales tax to cover them too. and that's a good thing, but I'm just, I don't, I'm not comfortable with the idea of the state of Arkansas playing favorites in the market. I'd rather we, we be neutral in the market and let the market respond and, and let consumers kind of make that choice, and I'm, and I mean, I love seeing the money, how the money's doing good things, but, you know, maybe there's a better way to do, or maybe just be straight for everybody and say, you know, this is a tax on your dealership based on how many salesmen you have and we're going to send it to the high school and community college rather than calling it a licensing thing and that's that's where i'm i'm doing it uh thank you for your your answers and your information if like senator hindron if you get this equivalent information on texas i would also like to see that and madam chair thank you for
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Senator Missy Irvin Unverified 28:14
allowing me to ask a question thank you yes so i think that's a really good request for information so if you can send that to ms airy that would be great yes ma'am because that is a different what that's that's an interesting notion of finance right that is a little different but do you know if that's if the other states utilize their funding in the same way we utilize ours i mean i appreciate that you gave the listing as part of your presentation do you know are you aware that might be something else you could send to us if you don't know right at this time.
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Speaker 23 28:49
You're saying that do other agencies such as ours fund some of the education? Sure, I can
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Senator Missy Irvin Unverified 28:54
find out. In Missouri and where they actually also charge if they're utilizing it in that same way. I think that might be another additional piece of information that would be interesting to have. Sure. Thank you. Okay, any other questions? Representative Dotson, I'll recognize you to bring this home. thank you madam
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Representative Jim Dotson Unverified 29:15
chair um just so this this information your handout here uh i got after we sat down here this afternoon same time as everybody else did so i hadn't had a chance to look through this before this meeting started um it is if your if your numbers here uh on your revenues and expenditures if i'm adding them up correctly or subtracting them you took in about $67,000 more last year than what you actually used in expenses so your your fund balance is growing a little bit every single year and the primary thing that I'm I'm interested in and caught my eye with regards to this as we're looking through it last month was the salesperson licensing which you're saying it brings in around $77,000 a year so we're looking at basically pretty close to the same amount especially if you have over two million dollars in fund balance i think all of us are enthusiastically supportive of educational programs particularly with regards to technical but that's kind of a separate and different debate over whether or not we should be licensing salespersons or not if it's just a collect revenue it it almost seems to me as if it's it's probably more paperwork than what it's worth for fifteen dollars a salesperson but the recommendation just for the committee's consideration that I'm making here is that we further look at this and develop it it's not something we're not passing legislation today in fact as I understand it or I'm assuming you might be able to answer this question this is not something that we can even change today it would be a statutory change in the next session is that these fees are set by statute right yes so so we would have to whatever we decide today is just to look at it for further consideration for next year so i think continuing to develop and get more information about it there's a lot of good questions that were asked today and we have a lot more information than we did last month on this I will, for the moment, set aside my recommendation on the motor vehicle manufacturer distributor portion of it and just focus narrowly on the salesperson. I'd like us to continue to look at repealing those occupational licensing, which is basically the difference in what you're actually spending each year. So that would be my recommendation moving forward, or motion, I guess, that we further develop the recommendation for repealing that for the next session. okay so just to clarify
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Senator Missy Irvin Unverified 32:06
you would have um so recommendation number one is what you're going to pursue number two you're going to pull down for now is that correct so number one is what you're um to further develop this recommendation prior to inclusion in the final report that's the motion that you're making and there is a second is there any discussion
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Senator Joyce Elliott Unverified 32:29
Senator Elliott. Yes, Madam Chair, I have a question, or maybe a curiosity. As we are preparing for this, if somebody knows how to answer the question of if this kind of program has been funded through the Education Committee or any other way other than with these fees, because I don't think the question is whether or not we think these programs are good ideas. it's there seems to be some consternation over the method for funding them so I think we need to have a full understanding of what this means and I think it's going to probably mean asking some asking some questions about educational financing because that's clearly what it is okay yeah I I think
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Senator Missy Irvin Unverified 33:15
um so representative Dodson do you mind I mean I think that's a good point that you might want to, if you don't mind, responding to Senator Elliott and getting that information about how these are funded. Do you want to do that, or do you want our staff to try to do that with you as far as information about how these different programs are funded through Department of Education in addition to these grant awards? Is that what your question is? Yes, yes. Career tech, look at that, you know. Yeah, I'm more than
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Senator Joyce Elliott Unverified 33:46
happy to sit. Part of the motion, it's just. Yeah,
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Representative Jim Dotson Unverified 33:51
try to work with staff as well as with CareerTech and the Department of Ed to try to find that out. But I guess my question would be for the Motor Vehicle Commission. Do we supply these grants directly to CTE or to the Department of Ed or directly to schools?
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Speaker 73 34:08
Directly to the schools. Okay. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Okay.
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Speaker 77 34:19
All right. So, yes, Representative Payton. Thank you, Madam Chair. so we're on discussion on the motion correct and the way I understand it this motion just gives staff the authority to include this in draft recommendations so to speak as we try to create whatever recommendation we're going to make for the 2021 session is that right well it's a total shock to me that we're funding education through a commission and I think that raises concerns so I definitely believe we need to keep this on the table for discussion and I believe that if we're going to fund education it needs to go through the proper channels but I would like to see these programs continued and these grants continued I mean being from the automotive industry it's extremely important that we have you know our youth coming up with the opportunity to receive this training in school and go tech schools and things like that I don't believe we'll have any trouble finding the support to make sure this gets funded i'm just not sure we should be doing it through the back door so i'm going to support the motion keep this on the table for discussion in the future all right representative cosart madam chair you know
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Representative Bruce Cozart Unverified 35:32
i i like that it does work with education and i do you have a can i ask him a question on that or can i just i just want to know if you have a board that makes that decision for those where that money goes yes sir what we
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Speaker 23 35:46
have is we have a subcommittee that gets together and looks at all of the grant proposals that have been submitted to us and then they make a recommendation back to the full commission and the full commission then looks at all of the requests and they can either take the proposal from the committee or they can say no that we don't like this one and we want this one but yes it is our commission our nine-person commission thank you that's that's what i thought that's what i wanted you
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Representative Bruce Cozart Unverified 36:13
to confirm for me and i think that's what what they're trying to do is and i think they're probably trying to help their industry by finding these groups of schools that offer diesel mechanics offer auto mechanics and things that that help their industry so that's probably why they pick and choose the groups and it probably could be a local group that they're also represented in too so i'm not sure about that but but i think i like the part about the education and i know there are a lot of people that do that kind of education grants separately than what they do through the department of career and in education so i don't have a problem with that and i like that you want to just let this be put down to uh to look at later and instead of making a hard decision to vote up or down this today i think that's a great thing and i would even say on all of our things that we look at that we should just recommend them to be looked at a little later let's discuss these on down the road instead of making hard cut off decisions on doing away with anybody's license straight up and down so thank you
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Senator Missy Irvin Unverified 37:19
madam chair yeah so that's our process so if you again I'm just going to repeat the motion for everybody so the motion is to further to allow representative Dotson to further develop this recommendation prior to the inclusion of the final report so if representative Dotson's motion passes today it basically just gives him the ability to work through this um legis this recommendation and bring draft legislation again back before this committee and then at that time we can either vote yes or no and in that time you would develop and get more information in order to you know and and it also gives you time for more information to to work with him and maybe you can find a solution together or you might not you may be opposed to what he proposes or you may be for it I don't know but that's kind of the process that we have in front of us so is everybody clear on the motion and what we're doing okay all right all those in favor say aye and opposed All right, ayes have it. Thank you. All right, moving on to item number D. We have the report before us. So, who's there? You want to give us a. Mr. Grape, is he in? Please come to the table with Mr. Will Montgomery. so members of the committee you have before you the reports um on abestus abatement air monitor the individuals that they they um license and so on and so forth so we will recognize you just state your name for the record and then you
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Speaker 81 39:15
are recognized to um present this report michael
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Speaker 82 39:20
grippe department of energy and environment William Montgomery the the division of environmental quality all right you're recognized thank you so the occupational entity report before you provides the scope of practice for the licenses that we the licenses and certifications that we have in our asbestos program we have six separate certifications and those are the terms that we use to refer to the certifications for the occupations themselves those are worker inspector air monitor contractor supervisor project designer and management planner in addition we have a license program for essentially for the firms themselves and for those we have licenses for contractor consultant and training provider on the the information we provided to you the contractor consultant because of the way it's defined in regulation 21 soon to be rule 21 hopefully are put together as contractor consultant they're defined similarly so they're put together on this report in addition I'm happy to answer any questions on any of those occupations
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Senator Missy Irvin Unverified 40:25
you you might have okay one of the one of the questions that we put on the report for you to answer is really to draw your attention to the the legislation that we passed on military licensing and so we put that on there so that people would be aware of it and they would act accordingly to change and adjust their rules in order to recognize that act so is
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Speaker 82 40:50
that in process certainly we have a memorandum dated january 14th i i thought it had been submitted with the report but i apologize if it hasn't it's it's from our uh department of energy and environment our our director of the division of environmental quality and it uh essentially it directs the offices of which i'm the senior Associate Director of the Office of Air Quality to come up with essentially, we'll call it substantially, determine whether or not an individual is substantially, has a substantially equivalent certification, should have their fee waived and be allowed to work here. So in practice what we do is we adhere to this policy and if we determine that they have a substantially equivalent license or certification, then they're allowed to work here with simply a two-hour refresher
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Speaker 84 41:42
course on Arkansas-specific regulations, too. Okay. Madam Chair, just to the point, we've developed this for the whole Department of Energy and Environment so that air, water, land, energy, et cetera, will all have the same paperwork and the same guidelines to follow for the military personnel. Okay,
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Senator Missy Irvin Unverified 42:01
so this process was helpful for you. Very good. Good. All right. Are there any questions? any questions nope all right thank you all right is there any other business to come before the committee all right see you none thank you we're adjourned our next meeting
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will be march 16th March 6th is when you would
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Agenda

A. Call to Order

5:37

B. Comments by the Co-Chairs: Senator Missy Irvin and Representative Richard Womack

5:39

C. Recommendations Regarding Occupational Authorizations Heard at the January 13, 2020, Meeting [Exhibit C]

8:33

D. Review of Report from an Occupational Authorization Entity: Division of Environmental Quality [Exhibit D] - Mr. Michael Grappe, Director of Special Projects, Department of Energy and Environment - Mr. Will Montgomery, Associate Director of Air, Division of Environmental Quality

38:30

E. Other Business

42:22

F. Adjournment

42:24

Speakers

Senator Missy Irvin Unverified
42 segments
Representative Bruce Cozart Unverified
9 segments
Representative Jim Dotson Unverified
14 segments
Speaker 21
5 segments
Speaker 22
1 segment
Speaker 23
23 segments
Representative Marcus E. Richmond Unverified
4 segments
Speaker 38
1 segment
Representative Megan Godfrey Unverified
1 segment
Speaker 24
1 segment
Senator Joyce Elliott Unverified
8 segments
Senator Jim Hendren Unverified
2 segments
Senator Mark Johnson Unverified
13 segments
Speaker 73
1 segment
Speaker 77
3 segments
Speaker 81
1 segment
Speaker 82
5 segments
Speaker 84
2 segments
Speaker 5
1 segment