School Safety Commission

Chris Chapman hot springs police department president Arkansas G. sociais Asian. Jamie cook department public safety and Commission on law enforcement standards and training. Bill Hollenbeck chief of police Portsmouth public schools police department. Tim Helder sheriff Washington County. David how can superintendent Clarksville school district. Bill Gossage deputy chief of staff for governor Hutchinson. Cortisol is Ford chief legal counsel department of education. Tim Kaine and I with facilities and transportation division of the department of education. And I'm sure how may I direct your the criminal justice institute in Arkansas center for school safety now I don't think I see anybody here who didn't get a chance to introduce themselves in greater detail last time did we miss anybody that's that's here we've got a couple of folks that are zooming in also if you all can hear me would you at least state your name and organization so we know you're on board. Yep. As from the Arkansas association of educational administrators. And I'm crystal green grass well and I'm from the the Tennessee department of cool coordinated support yeah I'm crystal I don't think a you were one of the folks that had a chance to kind of say a little bit more about what you do when and and why you're so passionate about school safety so everyone of you please take a minute and do that absolutely thank you for the opportunity so I just transition to this particular role with desi but before I served as a assistant principal at Cloverdale middle school and it was very important for us to begin to shift the culture there it was important for us not only to ensure safety but basically to provide a healing and resiliency centered organization not only for students for but for all stakeholders and so I'm very passionate about this work and I feel honor and privilege to serve in that capacity well thank you very very much for I for your willingness to block to help on this important initiative for Angela did send you all the minutes. From R. I. June fourteenth meeting please take a minute and look over it and I will entertain a motion at the appropriate time. I move for approval. Second we sheriff held under. And director Gary. Any discussion. All in favor. Hi any opposed. Motion passes thank you all are we were supposed to have a A presentation on behavioral threat assessment today and we postponed it until the twenty eighth of the person that's going to be presenting on the twenty eighth is assessing the marble R. she is are key point person offer what the center has done with respect to behavioral threat assessment and so I think she's going to provide and extremely high in lightning and beneficial our presentation next time I also want to take this moment to ask you all if there are any other individuals that you feel we Asa commission as a whole would benefit from from hearing from Courtney maybe next time we could maybe talk about hope do you think that would be appropriate. Yeah I think that would be good for the commission to hear and I can check with her on her schedule okay thank you. Are there any other suggestions for presentations before the full commission. We have time I know there are some presentations being given before some of the subcommittees once we see those presentations we may decide that Hey this would be great for to come before the commission so we can we can play that week by week but at least next week we've got to our presentations lined up and because of that Inability to have Cindy here today because you guys are going to have to listen to me again a little bit longer than what I had hoped I so what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna with will's help again and and will thank you for everything you did last week and and this week to be able to help us are technologically your great guy and very very appreciative that what I'm gonna do is I'm going to talk about the Arkansas center for school safety We actually began to do school safety work Act criminal justice institute in the early two thousands I was obviously after we had the incident of at west side bono and then there was Columbine and we actually I had a bureau of justice assistance grant that formed what was known back then as as national school safety resource center I think it was senator Tim Hutchinson who helped us Receive that grant and we did a tremendous amount of work after that grant ended on the and on and that was close to two thousand and nine we begin to work through cops grants community oriented policing services grants and started offering courses for school resource officers and educational staff and it was a a very group of courses in two thousand and fourteen our commissioner would not reconvened the department's out safe schools committee. I and it was through this committee who are have set an enormous I hope an enormous amount of five gratitude for because they've done an enormous amount of the work that we see in the progress that we've made on school safety and it was a recommendation that came out of this committee that the Arkansas center for school safety be formed and it be housed at the I criminal justice institute. In twenty seventeen to formalize that oz Secretary key are and I executed a memorandum of understanding. between CJ I in AD to form the center and then in two thousand and nineteen are we received based funding for the center from governor Hutchinson and legislators and that was very very very monumental. In twenty nineteen the center received a B. J. a grant on whose primary focus is on behavioral threat assessment training and helping to provide guidance for schools on setting up behavioral threat assessment teams and we also I started working on the school safety coordinator academy as part of their behavioral threat assessment package we have for school districts it includes basic behavioral threat assessment advanced behavioral threat assessment there is a online tool kit that's available for every district and we are also going to work with the I think it's the school boards association to finalize the draft policy for behavioral threat assessment teams for schools that we currently have. In our twenty twenty one I ACT six twenty and six forty eight were passed. And that did a couple of things as far as the center is concerned it identified the center as the state school safety clearing house and we also. Included a advisory board with governor appointed positions. And I think another very important part of what ACT six twenty and six forty eight did was it also opened all the services of the Arkansas school safety center. Art center for school safety ought to private schools. and that's something that I think we need to talk more and more about because often times folks CS is only being a resource for public schools are built but we are most certainly a resource for private schools as well and we want to try to provide as much assistance for them as we possibly can. I want to kind of give you an outline and I'm gonna apologize there's a couple of slides that show that you were given paper copies of that show classes is being online but they were in person I once I get to that point I will allow the. Correct that for you but we offer a series of file online as well as in person classes the first one I want to talk about it school site safety assessment this is a three hour class that's focused on teaching the U. S. department of justice's side assessment software it's and very beneficial software there's an app you can do it on your phone you can do it on an iPad it keeps track of all the information that's in there they don't access that information so that information is protected and side assessed is a ya. Very very good program we have a longer class that's in person and I'll get to that in a second we also offer an autism spectrum. Disorders program and it's geared primarily for law enforcement but it also is very helpful. R. for educators we've had a number of educators take this program and we got very very favorable comments for them. Basic mental health awareness this is only one hour class but when we were working on the legislation through this safe schools committee are Senator English work very very closely with us and one of the things that she wanted us to do was to develop a program that wasn't for guidance counselors or Watson for high school resource officers but work for general staff like cafeteria workers bus drivers are and so thanks to the work of our Linda Graham Laurie Poston and doctor back to Kendall they work together to develop a one hour class that's been online for a long time we've had close to why I think three hundred folks take the class but I think. Getting the word out would be critically important because when we were discussing things I in subcommittees last week there was that the emphasis of some sort of basic mental health awareness program for educators we already have that it's an excellent program the reviews have been phenomenal and we need to make our schools more where that this program is available to them out we also have an online identifying and preventing bullying class it's a three hour class the emails for this I don't think we've ever gotten a good let alone a fair comment on this one it is an old class I and so one of the things that I would like maybe the mental health and prevention subcommittee ought to look at is how we could possibly update that look at evaluating that class and updating it because we've got to make sure that we've got cyber bullying I included in there to the extent that it is. Our active killer response for educators this is a basic to our class and this is not just about active shooters it's about active threats are in general. Then as then we also have our one hour intro to behavioral threat assessment our class and that's just the basic overview which online of who should be on a team. The advantages of those individuals being on the team and it's also been a very popular class. Continuing on with online classes we have S. R. O. roles and responsibilities this is a course that's primarily for at the SROs themselves. and also there are law enforcement supervisors. The next class R. S. R. O. roles and responsibilities for administrators that's the one that came out of the legislation that was passed that requires the superintendent a on the principal or supervisor administrative supervisor of an SRO to take this particular course we're getting hundreds of enrollments are on this one and so and the comments I have been things like we didn't know that these are the things that we could ask our SRO to do so I think we've made some headway as far as making administrators much more knowledgeable about what the roles and responsibilities of administrator of five school resource officers are then we now and this is a course that were going to launch in July this is a new course called the intro to human trafficking for entered for educators this particular course was developed through a partnership with the Morgan Nick foundation. Are they also offer some input person classes that I'm going to well I talk about in a minute so I think because human trafficking is getting more and more prevalent it's important for educators to be able to identify a when you might be dealing with potential trafficking issues so I'm very very excited about us being able to offer this online class. With respect to in person classes and this is the one slide our colleagues on your paper copy it says in it says I online but it actually should read in person at least I caught this state before I came here. And corrected it I think this last fiscal year we offer twenty different courses are addressing and preventing adult sexual misconduct this was a seven hour program this was done in partnership with the US department of justice's I mean U. S. department of education ram Senator they are phenomenal they have a variety of different classes that we have partnered with them to bring in this state I and this one was a very very important one that we did partner with them to bring in these are alphabetized so advanced school threat assessment we require folks who take this class to take the basic behavioral threat assessment that's also a seven hour class. And mostly what they do in advance school threat assessment as a lot of scenario based training. Suicide prevention for schools this class has been tremendously well received by educators as well as a school resource officers the basic behavioral threat assessment class I've already mentioned and then Cindy when we have her here next time shall be able to talk about this a little bit more we also do civilian response to active shooter events or what in our business we call Crace this is the alert our class out of out of Texas a we do a lot of these trainings for individual schools primarily during the summer. I'm not going to go into great detail on them spect. There's some data that suggests that Our kids are having some issues with dating and the roles and responsibilities with dating and so we Bridie and expect respect that promotes healthy relationships we think that it's very important for kids to understand what should be expected in a healthy relationship I most certainly what is not appropriate in a healthy relationship it was very are very beneficial I juvenile to take over social media this information is changing constantly because how technology is changing while this is only a four hour class at least gives attendees a better understanding of what the social social media platforms are are and how they are being used up by our kids then of course are planning conducting and analyzing emergency operation plans we also partnered with the US department of education rams center and delivered a course called resilience strategy for educators when we submitted when we were when I presented to the house and Senate Education Committee I think it was senator Chesterfield that talked about the enormous responsibilities that are educators have and the amount of stress with respect to school safety that they have and I she was very are very very strong advocate for support strategies for our our teachers and so this particular class this resilience strategy is designed to help them sort through some of those are stresses. I site safety assessment the six hour version of that that once again that site a sass our department advanced program a solo engagement response to active killer that's a hands on class R. S. R. O. basic it's a forty hour class for actually delivering it in two different ways right now the first way is just one solid week we've got fifty of a met CJ I right now and very very thrilled to see that committee in class but we also do a five month version of it where they are we take it outside of outside of Central Arkansas and we deliver one. Class day a month over five months I've gotten very positive feedback from administrators on being able to have that option available then we have the S. R. O. two intermediate which does include an active shooter component the SRO refresher which focuses primarily on. Meeting the needs of the legislation that was passed we're in the process of developing that for online delivery I standard response protocol John Michael cheese if you haven't matter heard of John Michael Keyes his daughter was a victim but Platte canyon high in Colorado. And they form the organization called I love you guys are they are tremendous resource are and their standard response protocol is being very very well received by many schools across the state our strategic communications for interacting with juveniles that's a six hour class the bully the bullied and the not so innocent bystander that's a instructor hi doctor Barbara call. I want to say Colorado when I'm I'm I'm getting her name messed up ASA Vicky all have to correct me later on but she's a phenomenal instructor and focuses primarily on the role of the bystander which I think is is critically important whether you're a school resource officer or a an educator understanding the laws that as they relate to juveniles is another course that we offer and then of course the youth mental health first aid class that that we have talked about previously part of what we do every year and you can see in this picture I I love this picture because that basically shows all of our partners we are going to have our seventeenth annual Arkansas state safe schools conference that's going to be July eighteen through twenty it's going to be at the Wyndham riverfront The key partners in this are of course the center of the Arkansas state schools association the governor's office the Division of elementary and secondary add and last and definitely not least are Attorney General Rutledge's office. It's extremely successful I think we've got like three hundred people registered on so far to continue with the Opportunities for professionalism among SROs with the work of the safe schools committee we also developed for different certificate levels are for these individuals and those for certificate levels are level one two three and four basic SRO. Intermediate I sorrow advanced SRO and senior and sorrow there's a variety of different requirements to achieve each level and we've had about a hundred SROs achieve at least one of these particular level summer promoting them to do more. As far as our numbers assets through the thirty first we're probably going to reach four thousand offer the online and in person programs I mentioned earlier that we have a partnership with the Morgan Nick foundation and they literally go into the schools and they provide you with trafficking of course and then they also provide an internet safety course R. for either students or staff at the schools they have trained almost fifteen thousand students an over six hundred our school staff. This is the U. R. L. R. for the Arkansas center for school safety there are resources that kind of resources that are available at this website. I and I would be remiss if I didn't mention miss Vicky French who was the coordinator of the Arkansas center for school safety there is her contact information. And so that's my presentation thank you all very much. For your attention. Okay all right the next thing that I'd like to do is we need to talk about subcommittees. R. and as I mentioned before the subcommittees are very important last week was was phenomenal the amount of work that each of the sub committees dead I was able to attend each one except for mental health and prevention but I'm going to catch up with them this week the primary focus of the subcommittee so far has been and identifying progress that we've made in the recommendations the thirty recommendations and then another thing that's of very important I importance from a time perspective is identifying any questions that if we wanted to send out another school safety assessment what those particular questions. That we haven't had answered that we would like to have answered and so what I'd like to do is talk about that SMBs the subject matter experts are individuals that are being added to the Commission sub committees are they're not voting members of the committee or the commission but there there as a resource for commission members that are serving on those subcommittees and I've already started identifying numerous individuals and putting them into their select I subcommittees so hopefully this week when the subcommittees meet then you all will be able to Have their expertise and knowledge there's a lot of very very qualified and doc. Good folks knowledgeable folks that have been included on this so having said all of that I'm now gonna stop talking and I'm going to turn it over to our rock Committee subcommittee chairs Laurie I've got you first do you want to give us an update and before Laurie starts let me also say this that I think maybe after they're done the chairs are done with their presentation maybe what we can do is we can have a a little bit of a discussion I if you all want about some of the issues as a full commission and then we'll go on to the next subcommittee Laurie thank you. How much detail do you want as much as you're willing to give okay I'll just give kind of an overview of the the point that we have a few questions I'm I'm happy to elaborate that we met Friday morning at ten AM and I got to know each other a little bit some introductions and and getting to know each other I reviewed our recommendations from the previous report from twenty eighteen and we discussed the recommendations some of the work that we did previously and kind of where we hope to go from here for those recommendations We identified that there's more information that we need on on some of those and some of that will come from our estimates that we believe will be appointed to our subcommittee I specifically recommendation To regarding what programs have been offered in the state house how broadly or the implemented what programs are being implemented just that the positive behavior supports yes and it adopts candle with her grant was able to find some P. B. I ask for some schools that we just kind of wanna hear from her about what what absolutely and how how broadly that is across the state but also what else is out there so we we need a little more information on that to kind of move forward we also wanted to hear about how. Many schools were able to access youth mental health first aid training how many instructors are in this state and what can we do to support further implementation of that training for for not just the S. R. as in counselors but we want all school personnel to have access to that training do we know who might have that that information I know that there's you know of course we do you for mental health and we've got the students we can talk about the agencies Dr candle I'm sure is there any way we can get that from. The parent organization is that mental health. USA your first aid mental health for state I don't know but I have access to that information so I'll find out how we can okay learn that because that I do believe that's reported back so we'll see how we can begin to get that So. We we discussed a recommendation for regarding the behavioral threat assessment team and process and we are going to focus more on that our next meeting we need to discuss a little more the of the background on that kind of our role in what we foresee and in helping to determine the way that we understand our charge is that our role is going to be working on that anonymous reporting mechanism and that's a big part of it yes a big part and that's the anonymous reporting for the schools right so we we talked a little bit about that just kind of what had happened previously with commission but then kind of what we see as our charge but our challenges as well and we planned for that to be the primary discussion point on Friday right did did you get that tip line token ideas that might be a good idea to share it with the. Subcommittee members before the meeting okay I'll send that out so that we can review that. recommendation five is met. Regarding school counselor time and so we felt like at this time there's nothing else we want recommend on that and then recommendation six We discussed the coordinated crisis response team. Need a little bit we are at several members on the subcommittee are going to reach out to various groups if they are connected with to see what they've tried to do regionally in terms of setting it just support network so that we can. Start talking about how do we bring it all together how we connected and make it one unified system right Courtney was that part of that BJ a grant. He initially yes and then when COVID hit we had to kind of reevaluate use for the grant and I think a few of those trainings were held in co ops around the state but it wasn't didn't go through full implementation because of COVID and so we've actually revised and ask for an extension of that grant is so is that possible that they're still funding available to be able to do that it's possible if we get approved for our extension on the grant then there could be funds available. Okay wonderful. We talked about just prioritizing our next steps nice so that we know we're starting next meeting also kind of pulling together some information to reviews that were a little more informed The the main issues is the the recommendation for regarding the anonymous reporting. Mechanism and what that's going to look like We want to know a little bit more in their assessment that we sent out after the recommendations went out the first time. That data reflected that there are schools that utilize Some sort of a mechanism yes this reporting that's correct the committee the subcommittee really want to know more about that what's out there and we talked about the rave system but we don't know what else is out there so we just kind of wanted to hear back from our schools what are you using what we like about it what's not working and we know what's out there We talked about. Wanting to better understand how the fusion center. Works had just functioning we reviewed what was in our previous report and that help and kind of explain that to to the members but I think at some point will want to know a little bit more about how that works and how can that. Work with us on this because we know that once once there's a mechanism we just kind of want to understand better in terms of how that behavioral threat assessment recommendation goes out will those operate separately. It's going to depend on what they're not to miss reporting system okay is going to be okay. All right just some discussion about how that all works together better we want you to stand that we started that we didn't really have time to discuss it too much but we are aware that we need to kind of start thinking about what we want to know in terms of the next assessment that we may send out as a commission Where that one of the things that we feel are important to understand and We schedule our next meeting which has since been re scheduled for Friday at one o'clock super not and just FYI I did of formally invite. Dr candle to be at an SMB and and she accepted and I also invited superintendent Scott spent our. Okay all right to be an SMB and he also I've got one more invitation out but I haven't heard back yet so I don't wanna for one name out until I know for sure what district is super inspiring prior. I think having that I know you guys have crystal and she has the principal perspective but also in the perspective of the superintendent I would imagine would be important as well. Great work thank you. Sheriff Helder. Thank you Dr may we met Thursday. At one o'clock and we basically started down the list recommendation one. We felt like That we needed to clearly define the term campus as to what that actually was referring to is that the entire school district has at each building we felt like we needed some clarity on that I think it may have been. Dr Hopkins made a recommendation to check with the L. E. A. to get clear description and subsets. If you need further on that as David not sure exactly what that means and and and and maybe just for clarification since some of the folks Dr Hopkins would you talk with right that's that's local education agency and and so ever every district in the state has a number that's assigned by the Department vet and then underneath that that number ours is thirty six oh one there are seven numbers indicating our campuses are high school campus junior high campus and so when you start talking about every school every district you get kind of confused about what what are they talking about and so we're trying to nail it down that that every every camp every give district in the state has got some belly As under their local education number gotcha that indicate their schools and so we're talking about drilling down with that arm protection to each individual school not just the district level. Great good explanation. Thanks David we also talked I think doctor may be provided this information that our surveys indicated eighty four percent of our campuses our arms or have that armed presence with seventy five percent of those being S. R. road and then it's now up to seventy nine percent if I got my percentages. there was also discussion on accuracy of the survey as we are not certain they are in fact on respond or is in each campus or building so that's why we're wanting clarification to to really. Mine down into the numbers to figure out what headway we made and what what we need to do in the future. As far as recommendation to where we believe that each campus should have at least one SRO per campus again what is a campus since twenty eighteen recommendation the state has seen a significant increase in SROs There are now four hundred and sixty if I recall the number dog that you provided throughout the state there are two hundred and twenty three total school districts within the state. And then the question came up can we obtain from the A. S. P. the number of CSS sos and then how many school districts are utilizing them and I'd like to do it for perhaps to secretary cook. What's. Now you go to wing it when. If. So we did some I had our legal team do some research and re evaluate the position that the state police's long taken on the security records information and the exemption we have from disclosure and they did reevaluate six fifteen thirteen oh four and determined that the department is not able to we're not allowed to release that information so like I know doctor Hopkins campus uses the CSS program and they're very vocal vocal and visual about it so but as far as a department we can't release it I guess if the school district wanted to provide that information you know that's up to them but as a state agency we're not we're we're not allowed to unders of current law and and we might be able to do that if we if we decide to do another assessment yes and asked the schools you know and then I think one of the key things that we were talking about was whether or not they actually. Use the enhanced qualifications are that we talked about in the because it would be important I think I've talked to a couple of the school districts and some of them do and some of them down but it would be nice to have a of a percentage. On that. Obviously we don't want to advertise the script that entities schools have sent the information to be vital of for our discussions and recommendations moving forward so thank you Jamie for looking into that also Dr may indicated twenty nine percent Used CSS those in some form or fashion with about fifty total programs but I don't know we don't know we don't have any idea so we we if they're really gonna follow this and see what movement were gaining we just we need those numbers recommendations three acts five fifty one six sixty two of twenty twenty one pertaining to model policies between schools and law enforcement we talked about that those have been implemented superintendents as you discussed a while ago are required to avail themselves to one hour of annual training reference S. or road and school relationship. we made headway there is there a need for an MO you between schools and law enforcement agencies whether or not an SRO program exists this is part of our conversation it may have come from Chris or bill but I think that there may be a void there just to clarify it's different than the ammo you that the law requires that they have between the school and a law enforcement agency to have an SRO this would be more like a mutual aid. Agreement correct this does clear and concise what each other's responsibilities are Back and forth so yes anything that a Chris good yes okay and then of course Jamie was going to do research on the institutional PT's with local law enforcement agency employees to where you able to get or member volunteering that I wrote it down in my notes are very clear and concise so obviously dropped the ball on one of those. Secretary cook. but any rate that's one of the things we want to do a little research on. Reckon I may yes this man you better speak up please enter a. The way that we wrote the legislation for institutional police departments embedded in a school district there is there someone fired a jurisdictional opportunities there without any kind of a mutual aid because it doesn't mean that let's say Fort Smith school district has their own police department it does that flew Fort Smith PD or Sebastian County or the state police or game and fish or anybody else with state jurisdiction from coming on to that campus in enforcing the law also there are some implied responsibilities and statute but I will reach out to the other ones to see if they have made any kind of more specific Agreements with school districts and local law enforcement I guess you need to add that to our list yeah. Did a great job of muddling through the. When we appreciate and enter in that information that I've got together so far the in depth value of research with Fort Smith school district is that they do have a imho you with Fort Smith police department just found that out. Recommendation for there is now forty hour basic SRO class requirement that you covered dark as well as five U. refresher first day twelve are continuing education as per ACT five fifty one six twenty two so we feel like we've it but definitely made significant headway since twenty eighteen in those areas. questions came up and with your permission I'd like to ask a. Chris to cover this or at least expressing concern with the group for future discussion and it is this should active shooter training be required for all SROs CSS says NPD's but to take it a step further if we required do we identify. A single source. for the state I believe is how I took that discussion. Thank you Sir so the discussion was standardizing our active shooter training across the board whether that be Elise of it in our school districts or CSS as so there is a level of training required now it is not standardized under a single platform so we may have different districts and law enforcement agency using different programs we circle background add some additional conversation on the different types of programs being utilized the alert system being utilized regionally that's the advanced law enforcement rapid response system training system is the preferred method wrecked it regionally it is the preferred method by all the states and recognized as the preferred method by states surrounding us is the preferred method used by the FBI so we're trying to determine if it would be best for us as a state to have a singular training platform that everybody's working under the same umbrella the great thing about alert and probably some of the others but we're very familiar with it because we have literally dozens of trainers in the State of Arkansas is that it provides three basic levels it provides the Elise side of the training the civilian side of the training and In an integrated response where we work with our EMS or fire to a mass casualty event and we think that's very important if we have a mass casualty event that we all be able to work together each person knowing what their roles responsibilities are so does that cover certain yeah. Thank you so that's nothing to be decided on today what we wanted you to know as chair where that discussion was going that we may be making a recommendation in that area moving forward Recommendation five of course I'm sitting next to him I would consider to be the guru when it comes to just a shared coverage of this campus when we talk about redundancy when we talk about sharing SROs staff training Dr Hopkins is got it going on in in order our conversation was this is our model program that we that we would like to refer to moving forward Clark's full exceeds the training requirements and testing as you spoke to a moment ago how can it be legislated to require drug screening and psychological exams was part of our topic of discussion and I I believe it was either doctor Hopkins or John Allison that they believe that the perhaps the drug testing was already covered when you talk dealing with school staff being formed in putting this program together right background checks was also part of that in an obviously all school staffer back had a background check in the end as far as the drug screening. Most will ever schools going to have a DOT drug screening program Department transportation for the buses in our and our emergency response team are CSOs are rolled into that drug screening program so they they're picked alongside our drivers also. Thank you. So really that conversation really came off the point okay we we require drug screening and psychological exams how we gonna pay for it. Now some schools have more money than others obviously so that was just. That's where that discussion is going. Recommendation six doctor may expressed a need to either re word or delete the the this. This portion of so we discussed changing consider to implement was one of the things that that we talked about and then describe what layering actually means pertaining to that topic that recommendation. We felt like it in future surveys each school could then accurately report their strategy just vaguely you know not at the end of the weeds. But generally give us an idea of what what it means how are you like hearing how are you developing redundancy and and things of that nature. Anything on a. And then recommendation seven This recommendation was implemented through ACT six twenty nine and of course I've got Chief sit next to me that was one of the first to avail themselves the Fort Smith of school district according to Dr may there are now sixteen institutional police departments throughout the state that is so that if I would say that's significant headway based on that recommendation of course chief hauling back then described it his police departments. Policies how other what their operational standards are strategies in there and will use as a secretary cook alluded to a moment ago. and then we had a conversation about anger adding language now since number seven is a reality to further describe model agencies and and what's making them work I ET Fort Smith school district. And then at the conclusion doctor may ask the subcommittee if we would welcome adding subject matter experts and I think we've all agreed to do that and I think if we haven't got those names it will soon. Have those Did I miss anything guys anybody that's on the committee. Dr may that concludes or right thank you all did a tremendous amount of work last week I greatly appreciated. Our next on the list is site director Gary that's going to talk about audit seal peas and drills. All right thank you doctor may so the audits emergency operation plan drill subcommittee met Thursday will be there for you every Thursday at three o'clock I liked the other subcommittees we went through the current recommendations and discuss each one of those. And recommendation one we discuss that to a two thirds of the schools reported they had a district safety and security team. We further discuss stay at a possible recommendation for these teams to meet at least annually with their county local emergency manager fire and police to review their emergency operations plans. Recommendation two nine Esther yes can I interrupt for second half Linda I want to ask you you a question because you're very involved and and what you guys are doing within your school district do you guys have a district safety and security team who was on that team. Sure. Okay while. We have a district safety team of course made up of our school people and then we extrapolate out to that is pretty much our office emergency management we want game and fish to come we haven't been able to get hold of them arm are and their their chief of staff county judge I'm leaving out I'm sure several other groups that it's it's pretty it's really intense discussions going yeah but that's really good that you guys do it and the reason why I ask for is because I think it's important for us to kind of frame you know when we say district safety and security team what that really is to provide them with a little bit more guidance also obviously our sheriff and state police also involved okay. Thank you. I am very glad to hear that you're adding the county emergency manager to that to that team I think that is a critical piece of all this. And recommendation to ninety seven percent of the schools reported they had a safety coordinator. we further discuss that each school has a safety coordinator that is part of the district safety and security team kind of meshing all that together and we talked about adding emergency operations planning to the safety coordinator training that is currently being developed by C. J. I.. On recommendation three we all agreed that this recommendation has already been completed by the additions to the safe schools committee and no further action is needed on that at this time. Recommendation for seventy two percent of schools reported that they have modified their fire drills to include time for teachers to evaluate the situation before automatically evacuated the classroom. We agreed to keep moving forward with this recommendation and also are to move for by adding training to the safety coordinator training also being developed by CJ I and possibly adding some instruction or our points to the training for our teachers. Recommendation five we discussed getting more clarification on what is meant by just the term assessments. How we felt we needed to to find a defined and clarified that independent on the clarification of assessments we may want to recommend annual assessments said I think there now every three years and we also discuss that wall wall fire departments or do we fire assessments that they can add into that have the local law enforcement also go along at the same time so they're looking at fire and also security type assessments. We agreed to bring in some SMBs to help with further discussions on recommendation five and all touch all night here second. A recommendation six we discussed and clarified that our foreign state the intent of this recommendation was closely connected to naloxone we further discussed adding stop the bleed kids we talked about also adding a question do you need. feature survey asking if schools had naloxone in stop the bleed kits readily available one school also district mention that they actually place the stop the bleed kits with the fire extinguisher so they would be readily available We also had just a brief discussion this compact rolls over into the physical security subcommittee so it was just very very fast we talked about requirement recommendation classroom doors are locked at all times and they're audits being conducted to ensure compliance for this this Thursday's meeting Dr may is reaching out to a couple is seen ASA me's who will talk about assessments and then the following week we have scheduled for SMB from the bid build director security to discuss what they do for security inspections. And I think that said to me that may end up being one of those presentations to I've just got a real good feeling about that that if that presentation turns out as good as I think it could that that would be something that I think we need to be heard before the full commission I think the last thing we we did have just a brief discussion about you know the terms emergency operations plans crisis plan and so on and so forth that we needed to try to get wrapped around what each of those really are and and how they play and you know each of those pieces are part of the all Emergency Management like State of Arkansas that would be part of our comprehensive emergency management plan but those other pieces how we communicate and so forth will be a part of that so we'll have people future discussions on that. So I'm sorry the subcommittee members missing nine. You know you may have said it but you're talking about the emergency management officials also plan intraparty in going out and making sure these things are are taking place in our schools and I thought that was a great way to to kind of help reinforce that also. Yeah absolutely because those are included in those those laws that we pass in the twenty twenty one session that they've got to work with we and I and local law enforcement on their emergency operation plans and and or else yeah that'll definitely reinforces yeah thank you for mentioning that because that was uh we've also added a doctor may agreed to have a couple of county emergency managers as SMBs to our subcommittee for the purpose of you know as we talk about different things that we're task you member we're asking them to do I think it be great to have feedback from the local county emergency manager so we'll have a couple of those on our subcommittee to kind of walk us through and help us with that thank you yeah you guys had a lot of great work AJ thank you very very much Secretary cook. Consider trying to think back and throwing share held. I just bear with me I'll find a way we met on Wednesday had a great meeting all we went through the recommendations recommendation one of the all the school districts have a communication plan and it was there that we decided to kind of piggyback off what AJ said that I think we might have taken for granted that people understood what we meant by a comprehensive communication plan we did give some great examples in the content of the final report for the school safety commission in two thousand and eighteen but I think we need to further explain what we mean about the communications plan of a communications plan is normally of a piece of an emergency operations plan but we want to add some more specificity and recommendation one to include the protocols on a mass notification plans of the difference in crisis plans and io peas and communications plans and also of maybe some more guidance and often those things should be updated so we're gonna we're gonna keep that recommendation and just enhance it because it's very important recommendation to of the school district should have systems that enable direct communication local law enforcement was reported that ninety three percent of school districts actually do have that and that's a great number we took that opportunity to discuss a win of the states automated wireless information network that's under the direction of director Gary. We're actually going to have more information on that be presented by director Gary and his team at a briefing on at our meeting on June twenty ninth. we want to talk about how that a win initiative includes the jurors you know which jurisdictions are actually utilizing it which schools utilize it we are undergoing an infrastructure upgrade in the State of Arkansas right now on a when a House schools my could take advantage of that with their local jurisdictions a road map to encourage more districts to use a win and we also discussed the budgetary and capacity concerns or AJ and his team will discuss that at our June twenty ninth meeting. We talked about how a when it is you know a preferred model of communication for emergency management because of you can talk you know across different jurisdictions you can talk from across different geographical locations and so I mean it would be a preferred a communication plan if we could get there School districts recommendation three school districts aw in collaboration with local and other law enforcement agencies should implement expanse strategies remote reporting to include or anonymous reporting of suspicious activity and behaviour threat and I think we just talked about this at the last big meeting and you know you're you're welcome to all send you an invite to our June twenty ninth meeting on When we have the fusion center discussion I'll invite you there but anyway we talked a lot about suspicious activity reporting of we we don't want to We want people to give to report to a suspicious activity we don't want to take the place of what we're trying to do on the be a real threat anonymous reporting I was thinking about this when board was given her presentation and then back to shareholders a recommendation on wearing Rick and redundancy and it came to me that that's very much what we need to be doing in reporting be at someone that it that is needing some help if it but if it is something that you know we could prevent intelligence gathering is prevention right so if we had someone that was threatening of a school and it got reported on our nana's reporting and it also got reported to law enforcement I don't think that that's duplicating efforts I think that that's layering of redundancy and I think that's probably a good thing so we didn't talk about that in our subcommittee but I do think that's a conversation that we could further yeah and and and you know having that redundancy could be important if it doesn't come through one but yet it does come from the actually right. And so with that suspicious activity reporting of conversation we talked about like I said now some links on different things like to see something send something program that Pennsylvania's use and I'll watch Texas of program that Texas is using which is really a neat program but we ask the subcommittee to explore and provide some feedback on those for a suspicious activity reporting efforts that are embedded in those links they're not specific to school safety but there are you know they are so specific to suspicious activity which could means a school safety so I think that that's probably a valuable of. Research for us to do. So so actually we're we're talking about both absolutely one is different from the other you know so is it we just have to. Just have to structure it in a in a way that works effectively like that yeah. Recommendation for students staff and parents should be educated on how to recognize and report signs at of at risk behavior and potential threats we don't really have any information on it to see how well we're doing with that that's probably going to be an assessment questions that we're going to drill down into I did take advantage of going to your website dot may at CJ I think you guys do have an awful lot of information on there Department of ad I think you guys are you know share a lot of that information but you know as we're probably doing a pretty good job with that I just don't have the data to report that yet so what will provide those assessment questions we want answered and then recommendation five was about how we could better utilize the fusion center we had a great discussion on our fusion center and what we're trying to do their we are going to have a briefing at our meeting next week June twenty second on and from the fusion center on their mission their current efforts their strategic goals we have a strategic plan for the fusion center and it does as it relates to of suspicious activity in geo located intelligence gathering in open source that we talked about here a last week so we're gonna we're gonna talk about that at our next meeting. we will provide you questions Dr Mary before the next full committee meeting of that we'd like to have answered. We're gonna have a presentation on July thirteenth with the Department of ad Courtney's facilitating that regarding cybersecurity that you ask us to look into and I think she's going to coordinate that with you as well Marvin's going to provide us a presentation with Ron self and their gaggle program which is there Little Rock school districts communication Telligent scaring it gathering efforts so we haven't schedule that yet but we will I sent out some information on license plate readers we did not discuss the idea of license plate readers and how they can be utilized in school safety but I did send out a link to a story of an active shooter in two thousand fifteen actually came into Arkansas and the and it wasn't a school shooting but it was an active shooter came in Arkansas we didn't know of the once he went back into Mississippi the license plate reader on the border of got of the license plate to make that arrest so so there's ways for it to be. There's a lot of concerns on license plate readers in privacy issues but I think some of that is up there there's a misunderstanding about how license plate readers are using more I don't think that you'd ask for for us to be start writing tickets to people get tickets in the mail like you do a lot of states I don't think that's what we're looking at but I do think there's value in a suspicious activity and being able to stop a person just for instance if you know we knew an active shooter or or somebody made a threat of an active shooter and we knew what their license plate the car there in you put that in the license plate readers and you know hopefully we you know tax that person before they get to whatever location that they're threatening any white certainly of of just of just starting that conversation don't know where that will go but I wanted to share that with our subcommittee lastly we're gonna meet every Wednesday at three o'clock. We will always have a virtual option for our subcommittee made it members and and any of the other commission committee members that would like to attend but I'll also ask or anybody that wants to attend in person because I'm kind of old fashioned I. To see folks that that we're going to always meet in my office and its in state police headquarters and so you're always welcome to come to my office and hang out one of our meetings and If there. My heirs fix. Still on camera so I can't further for this I've got a I had my peak fan but also because I don't think that had anything to do with air conditioning sir. So subcommittee members do I did I leave anything out. Great job thank you you guys did a lot of really good work last week appreciate it and last and definitely not least director came. Thank you Dr may the physical security subcommittee to let met last Wednesday at one PM the first thing we we agreed to do was because of our busy schedule schedules we ate the subcommittee agreed to meet at eight AM on Wednesday. so that was the first thing we did like every like every other subcommittee reviewed all seven previous recommendations starting a recommendation one a state agency should work with the federal ready in. Readiness and emergency management rains to develop a customized state level school bus safety initiative for use by district schools and the transportation office and so far we've been unable to find a customized thank you Dave I've tried to reach out of got on the website Mike is going to the website we can find it however. did I did find out that our division transportation in there hi they've incorporated information ideals from my TSA documents thank corporate into their annual three hour in service bus driver training which is done annually and is required what's the what's the focus of that material. The focus of the TSA material how its it's I don't have it in front of me but I I reviewed it it it basically just talks about things like if there's an intruder if there's an active three check it on the bus or outside the bus it talks about awareness for the bus driver it's great now I did talk to my team on that and they did tell me you know the primary purpose for this is not that but they have a corporation that aspect into it so one thing we might want to consider as we move forward is is looking at that training more. In depth and see if that will cover it that will take care of number one because there's already something in place right here and if we can use that and and and help me ten is this something that every bus driver has to take House ma'am every bus driver in the State of Arkansas every year every year that's even it's it's a lot so it's a three hour coercion of course thank changes every year at things and take things I never would would be maybe a chance to actually look at the curriculum and and make any potential adjustments yes ma'am okay that's great that's fabulous progress. In the number two state leaders should engage the Arkansas congressional delegation other federal partners to encourage the U. S. department event to allow time to five or title for performing a block grants to be used by schools for infrastructure improvements to support safe and healthy schools including physical security remedies and we did a little research on that and found out that that the the amount of funding on that title for very limited and there was I believe there is consensus among us that we had decided that it might not be worth the effort for that limited amount of funding to to go through that so that recommendation may be eliminated right but it but what happened after that is we had that discussion on grants and the federal grants are available and it was a really good discussion on that in one of the things when you're research is how grant approvals work yeah and there was discussion on perhaps having having an agency review those so we. Okay there's a work there. that we can do on that but it's it's not going to be through the tough for. Total for grants that's great so we got work to do there and recommendation three was district to create an online facility profile with the panic button alert system breaching campus or facility in the district in conducting reviews to update facility profiles were needed There was a little in the past these were used as far as the panic button alert system they were funded but they're not funded by the state in March when he does and this is something Dr Mary set up well that would be more of an emergency alert system instead of using the phrase panic button in numbers allowed discussion on that like weird is that what is the online school profile fit in with that and I reach out to director Gary he provided some good clarification on that and that was more to the floor plans. Yeah. Your asked me to reach out to him on the Smart nine one one basically Director gauges said it's referring to for plans of school buildings that would be assessable and that in the past it may have been thought that Smart nine one one would be used for storing and disseminating that information however we should just look at that kind of just yeah the main thing is get the. Get the floor plans into the local law enforcement's right and that's what they're not required by law today ma'am yes ma'am so we've got we've got a little bit of work to do there recommendation for district should review and assess the effectiveness of upgrading stop crash more exterior door egress hardware with the new touch bar tight so we had a discussion on that Twenty four percent the District Court in the survey had reviewed and assessed that there was some discussion is possibly making that recommendation moving forward. So that's something else we need to talk about moving for recommendations five six and seven I'll go through those real quick but we we had a consensus at the time there's no further action needed recommendation number five that was for prior to installation contract contracted to install temporary door but barricade devices designed to brew precluding treasures from entering any classroom or learning space the school building information pertaining the projects to be up loaded into the division's facilities and transportations web based projects mission tool for review and. We believe there's no further action at this time on that because rules require districts to enter projects in a master planning tool and required district to submit drawings there may be some follow up to that the more but we we think for now that that's been done a recommendation number six the state's academic facilities partnership program should be revised to allow districts to submit eligible campus safety and security upgrade projects for state financial assistance and that is being done where the rule change two three years ago that allows districts to apply and so far we've had twenty four projects applied for from eighteen districts right and remember we talked about that the the there's a minimum amount of a hundred and fifty thousand dollars for the projects in order to qualify right to apply for the grant but you're right we can waive yes ma'am and that's why but we can waive that rule and we have and we will an engine so that would be important to to be able to put that in the in the report yes ma'am as well. Yes ma'am and then the last one is the Arkansas public school academic facilities main also be revised to provide specific safety and security measures for school districts to consider in the design and construction you public school academic facilities and a couple years ago with doctor maze health we had a couple of architects in their other stakeholders involved in that I believe a a yeah helped on that as well and the Division and we were able to create a new section in the facility man with silver manual is is a manual that just give standards for all new new construction and that's the key thing is for new construction not existing but now we have a security section in there that has standards for locking systems hardware access control communication systems citing parameter Bentley of surveillance and building systems so that's what choir moving forward and those were finalized in may of twenty twenty to any school that is bill moving for has to have that I will say though that for years before the standards were developed a lot of these a lot of these Your secure vegetables your. You know bullet proof glass your exterior door locks electronic access allow that's been done for years but this just requires requires an and then you guys also talked about that list of control access visitor management all classroom doors in the locks on that what were you guys going to what are you thinking about doing well respect to that the physical security priorities is that what you're referring to that list that you presented we talked about prior prior times and those moving forward as we get more information from the S. and Mays and that's gonna be critical now and be able to as we move along to be able to prioritize what are the what are the biggest bang for the for the Buck as far as its gas cosco on that There was we also identified possible serve serving assessments specific questions we took those physical security properties you presented last time and we just turn those in the questions and are also other questions added by members of the subcommittee yeah because we we talked about that also with respect to the overall size of the school. Right you know because smaller schools and the overall amount of funding that schools get as well so that'll be at an interesting thing to try to walk through I yeah I know somebody that's at the Texas is doing their big school safety conference this week and I know somebody that's down there and and and he was telling me that the primary focus right now is on door locks. It's on door locks its own door locks it's on door locks access control yep. Picture yeah in this listing to those on the subcommittee and those outside that I've listened to the last few weeks that's yeah at the time and and one of the things that we might wanna look at two is that it's not just that they have a door lock but what particular type of door lock they have because some of the I remember when we were going through the Commission previously that there were some of that locking mechanisms that you could lock in from the inside but you most certainly couldn't lock in from the outside and I think we be were a remiss if we didn't if we didn't look at that yes ma'am absolutely agree. Committee members did I miss the one topic is the kind of county the both on both of y'all are talking about is to ensure that schools have a grandmaster capability for keys instead of having fifteen different locks that you would have at least one grandmaster that would work for every room in the school as well as sharing that the grand master key with local law enforcement so they can get in schools are very good at getting good doors that keep bad guys out but when we need to get in we need to make sure we have the right to to get in and distributed appropriately correct. Thank you Terry well noted. One other thing I guess is that Sir we uh there was a discussion the need to add a superintendent from a small rural school and I got I got that accomplished doctors yep got that accomplished. Great work temp you guys that I think a lot of really good work of last week you know one of the things that I think we need to really focus on I think we're getting a better handle on you know we were charged with being able to. Assess where we are with accomplishing our recommendations I think we're getting a really really good handle on that and the thing that I think we need to focus on as much as we can this next week is trying to identify questions are that we want to ask for a potential another school safety assessment I did reach out to our doctor Derek Slagle I who is with a UALR or they're going to kill me if I said it that way UA little rock. survey research center. And die he's ready to go anytime we are. you'll probably need to meet are we can maybe that the chairs. Of the committees and myself can can meet with him I to give him a good idea of the particular types of questions that we need to have to ask I don't and and you guys I may be way off base here but I don't think we need to do the same survey that we did before we need to come up with that a different list of questions and I try to identify what those questions are and why we want to ask those questions so if you all within your subcommittees can focus a little bit on that this coming week it would be greatly appreciated. Now the other thing since we've got everybody together and you just heard the extraordinary job that the subcommittee steht this past week is that you know some of you were new you want part of this process last time you Conner should have a good idea of the things that we focused on as a commission before what have are there some things that. We didn't include that maybe we should start to look at because we've got a we've got to start thinking along those lines as well. What didn't we cover that maybe we should have. Yes ma'am doctor done. I was just putting my parents have on and I was thinking what what what I want to know as a parent and. I would. You know I would want to know what was being done at my school my kids school grounds security and. and what role I could play and you know how how to talk to my kids about security I'm just trying to think may be maybe a parent. Perspective somehow. I don't know if that fits within our charge well no I and parents are an important person in a group of individuals we can't exclude. From from what we're doing and so I think that's worth you know some continue discussion maybe through you know your subcommittee to do it we can talk about that more yeah I think that would be a great idea because we we need to include counts more maybe. but maybe there's other ways also to enlist parents around other around other aspects. Chief thanks doctor done yes ma'am I I'm rather G. falling back under the bus here the he brought this point up earlier is that we need to determine a way that the school boards and administrators are truly reading and understanding the recommendations. So whether that's a mandate or how you have that conversation but there's no use in us riding these recommendations unless they're going to be read and understood involved. So that correctly Sir pretty much covered all right. Well maybe somebody needs to expand on that a little bit well you know I think it's in this. We have numerous schools throughout the state they were school boards we have the new school board members that come on board all the time of all the hard work that this this committee is doing and has done in the past is quite frankly for not unless it gets in front of the right eyes we have to get by and with their school boards whether superintendents with our staff with our law enforcement agencies or the work that we do is going to be compiled into a little book that and potentially put on the shelf so I think it's very important that we insure that there's some sort of mechanism that we get in front of the right people and have some sort of not necessarily count ability but in certainty that that the right people are looking at this this hard work that that you all are doing and and you know we've had our discussions in the past about how to move forward on this and I will say this The schools have made a lot of progress they've made an enormous amount of progress we did add an initial report before we did our final report and there was a big improvement now you don't know because we can identify individual schools how any given school is actually progressing but then we've also got a deal with the question and I'm just going to use Texas as an example because the the director of the Texas school safety center if you will remember is a good friend of mine and when we did the first commission in twenty eighteen she traveled here and we talked a lot about how they do it and they have they mandate a lot there. They mandate an enormous amount they are mandated to have behavioral threat assessments the center goes in and actually performs audits are of these individual schools and they've had two shootings within the past couple years And I'm not gonna speak for anybody but I think there's got to be a balance between allowing schools to be able to implement and and a look at these and promoting what we do of course none of us one are. Our work to go down the drain but yet at the same time when you start to mandate it I think that opens up a thank you chasm of potential things that we have to think about. Yes general. Thank you madam chairman and and I know that. Something that hangs over the heads of all the committee members but more importantly the heads of the school administrators is the costs associated with all these great ideas recommendations at just the same as when I my husband I look at making security measures are House whether it's new fence scene or security locks cameras all those things that we do in our own homes at school administrators that's their biggest challenge and particularly and we look at other legal challenges to making sure all these over schools and education is equal I think that each subcommittee would be beneficial and perhaps the Legislative orders that are in attendance for taking the time to watch these committee meetings could look for funding mechanisms could reach out to our federal delegation I know last week I personally spoke to senator cotton about this with regard to the DOJ cops grants and rather than having the federal government I take money away from our local schools if they don't or states because they don't implement the red flag laws I would rather see funds be used to provide these SROs in every single school districts across the country yeah and that's you know yes we want them to read on these recommendations not be on a shelf but unless we're able to provide some solutions as to how they can implement these recommendations it's very difficult for school administrators to even consider adding no expenses yeah and and I will say this Senator English work with congressman hills office and provided me a document that has a variety of different funding options I'm also working with senator Bozeman's office to be able to get a list of those folks that have actually been funded on school safety our projects because I think there's some school safety stuff that's going on out there that's been funded but we don't know anything about it and so once we have a chance to look at these documents. that might help some and if you get some additional from senator cotton's office we can pull this together and maybe as an appendix or an addendum to the commission report to be able to add this so that they can know where there is that there is that funding available and perhaps it's not just a recommendation or school administrators also to our own state government as to how we can find those resources. Yes ma'am. Good conversation. Are any other things and all of that we haven't let me try to think we talked about the graphics okay never mind I'm talking to myself Tucker may I wanted to follow up on she fallen backs comment so Act one eighty two was passed in in twenty twenty one that does require school board members to get training on school say that's correct but maybe it's that we need to look at a more specific description of what that training is and be working with the school boards association who tends to provide a lot of that training and making sure that part of that does include the specific recommendations on how to implement I think that's an excellent idea and you reminded me of another thing that I need to get in touch with doctor Prothro I because I wanted to give them the opportunity to be on one of the subcommittees and you might need to help me and in order to do that I the APS RC is another one I'd like to include maybe trip for our Scott. In in one of the subcommittees as well just to make sure we've got as many many folks at the table as we can't. Hopefully we'll have some additional information on the funding I next week I did get some info just didn't have the time you know because I got some which leisure time on my hands are to be able to do the The funding look at what's out there also I'll get that done before the next time and then if we can focus on trying to get narrow down to these questions And. Finalize where we are on the progress. I then I think we can start looking out and let me see how it's how it's phrased identified you know any new questions that we want to ask Identify those that haven't been remediated or achieved we're in the process of doing that and then any new recommendations so we're focused now on trying to get those first three done but we also need to to. To wrap our brains around what are we missing. And that's why I wanted us to start to at least have that discussion. Secretary cook. On in terms of pop up is there a way that we could get a list of legislation that has been passed since two thousand eighteen that the has to do with school safety and then I think also we of you updated your Standards regulations on of school security efforts and so maybe if you could give me a link to that because I would love to know what progress we made as far as regulations and statutes go or legislation goes since two thousand and eighteen. Yeah there's been a lot and there are a lot of bills that one and two you said it so I think that might be a good document for the commission I have so that we don't try to duplicate efforts that we know what's already been done right and we can probably take that and there were a lot of those acts are that I included in the I think the first email that I sent out but there are definitely some that are missing so cure you very very loudly and I think that be a great idea of court you can help us okay I do that thanks. Anything else. Okay well thank you guys for the great work today Next meeting will be Tuesday at one o'clock. I will have to presentations we hope at least one for sure. Yes madam party I had did speak with at or text with the hope Worsham and she can be available next Tuesday virtually shall actually be out of state or if you prefer her in person no we can do what virtual or other presenters out of state as well okay so we can have to virtual presentations I think that'll be fine so I will entertain a motion. So moved. Second. Thank you guys have a have a good week I'll see you later in