House State Agencies & Govt'l Affairs Committee Part II
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...companies that seek to overcharge consumers for life-saving medications, these consumers are often sick, they're sometimes elderly, they sometimes have no money, and the longer period of time they would have to wait to claim a benefit under this settlement would not be in their interest, and we see 1046 as adding time before we could distribute that money, which we think is a poor choice. Now, and finally, HB 1046, we believe, applies retroactively.
As I read the terms of it, it would legislatively alter court orders that have already been entered, that have been passed going back, I would say, to 2005, thus then making funds available for closed cases all of a sudden available for appropriation. And that would lead to court orders being reopened, that would lead to cases being reopened, and it would quite simply be an untenable position to be in. So to sum up, we think 1046 should be rejected.
It would place the state in conflict with federal law as well as state and federal court orders. It would drive up expenses. It would create uncertainty for all litigants and would add a layer of approval that we think is unnecessary and quite simply just not in the interest of
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consumers. Thank you. Would you take a question, sir? Absolutely. Representative Lee.
Speaker 8
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Thank you. Nice to meet you, Mr. Phelps. Mr. Phelps, I wasn't going to say this, but you made a comment in your testimony that was inaccurate,
and so I feel the need to correct it here. From the time Wendy Cartwright requested information about these funds from you until the time you
Speaker 4
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got that paperwork to the representative that requested them was how long? We provided an initial response, I
Speaker 11
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believe, within a couple of weeks. How long did it take you to get the representative all that information? I don't have the time frame in
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front of me, but I know the initial.
Five and a half months, I do, and I'm that representative. And Mr. Phelps, so I just have to correct you there. As
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far as transparency goes, that was not very transparent when a representative asked for simple information that was in your books. Your initial letter, if you remember, said tell the representative get in touch with us, we'd love to talk with her, to which Wendy responded and said the representative simply wants information. So just to point that out, five and a half months is way long to get simple information. I disagree. Well, that's okay.
I've got it in my e-mails still. Do you file writs with the court? And I'm not a lawyer, so I'm not sure if I'm using the correct term. When a case is settled and you go to meet with the judge, isn't it true that people from your office go and file things with the court, recommending to the court where they send the money? And I don't know the legal
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term for that. It's very difficult to say the same thing happens in each case,
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but generally speaking, we do appear in front of courts to have
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court orders entered. Correct. And then you also file with the judges at that time your recommendations for where you want that money sent, how you want it divided up.
Speaker 1
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Isn't that correct? We have language that we use in agreements that's often negotiated with defendants, and sometimes courts don't accept that language. Correct.
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often Pulaski County does though in your case I've done some good research on
this do you have a copy of these in front
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Could you, referring to the second page of
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what I handed to you, could you tell me what those professional services were for, totaling $293,946?
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Do you remember what those were for? Yes, those
Speaker 1
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were for a series of public service announcements that I believe dealt with identity theft and our health care bureau. As you know, we have a health care bureau that takes consumer complaints that was first started by General McDaniel, and we ran a series of PSAs pointing out that the health care bureau was available to help consumers.
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MS. So when you say PSAs, they were TV ads? MR. Public service announcements. MS. And so they ran
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I believe they did for sure, yes. MS. Okay. All right.
Speaker 25
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Thank you. That's all I have. Thank you. Seeing no other questions, we thank you for
Representative Debra M. Hobbs
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your – oh, Representative Hobbs. MS. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Phelps, if
I heard you correctly, a couple of objections that the AG's office has to the bill
is the fact that a federal judge may rule
where the money has to be spent. So if the bill were amended to add those words, would you be in agreement with the bill? No. Because, as far as that segment of it goes, would that take care of those issues?
Speaker 1
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I don't believe so, Representative, and it's simply because of the practical problems I think this legislation would present. Now, of course, if a law were to pass, we would follow it and do whatever the law dictated,
but we could not support this bill.
Representative Debra M. Hobbs
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Okay, by practical problems, could you tell me again what those practical problems are? Sure.
Speaker 1
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The example I used earlier was, as you know, a lot of our cases are consumer protection settlements or antitrust cases, and the victims in those cases are often purchasers of medication, sometimes life-saving medications. In one example, I remember the drug Cardism. It was a heart-saving medication, and under the prior attorney general, we entered into a settlement and distributed the
money as quickly as we could, and it was appreciated because the people that were taking those medications were in ill health, needed the money immediately, and the practical problem I see with this legislation is that if we entered a settlement, let's say, in May of this year, that money couldn't be touched for another seven or eight months until it was passed through the legislature and appropriated. So I think that would create a delay, which wouldn't be in the best interest of consumers. But
Representative Debra M. Hobbs
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again, I'm asking if the bill were amended to make allowance for those instances.
Representative Debra M. Hobbs
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wouldn't support it. Okay. And then since you brought up about the delay, once a judge has ruled on a case, how long does it take to actually receive the check from the
Speaker 1
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ruling? In some agreements, you negotiate with the other party. You could say 30 days or 60 days. It's sometimes, or the judge may say, payment due
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within 14 days when they enter an order. It just varies. There's really no standard rule.
Representative Debra M. Hobbs
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Okay. So from a practical standpoint, since legislative council meets once a month, you could get that. That could be appropriated during that time. Could it not? MR. I'm not sure on that.
Or often we have special – no. Okay. All right. And then the other thing I noted was you were afraid this might be retroactive, but again, if the bill were amended to put an effective date, would that take care of that objection? MR. If it were
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– the way to make it not retroactive is to put a date certain in it.
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But even if – again, I want to say this, even correcting that problem, we would still not support this legislation. So no
Representative Debra M. Hobbs
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matter what Representative English or how she worked to amend the bill, you
would not support it? You're against the concept? It's difficult for me sitting here today to get
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to a place where I could see any way we could support this legislation. Thank you. Thank you, Ms. Chair. Thank you. Representative Hutchinson.
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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Motion do pass. Representative McLean.
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Immediate consideration. As amended. Wait a minute. As amended. Yes, sir. As amended.
Representative Clark Hall
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Thank you. Representative McLean. Immediate consideration, sir. We have a motion to amend a consideration. It is not available. It is two-thirds of the quorum. All in favor of immediate consideration, say aye. All opposed. We have it passed. We'll go to the vote. We have a motion to do pass as amended. All in favor say aye. Aye. All opposed say no. No. Nose have it. Thank you for coming.
Next on the list is Representative Hyde. Are you here? You want to take the end of the table for House Bill? We're running out of time because in a few minutes we're going to have lunch and we're going to run to Constitutional Amendments. 1807. Are you
ready to run, Representative? Yes, sir. Well, you're ready to, you're ready to.
You want to see that? Gentleman with you, would he make, tell us who he is, his name, and who
Kent Walker
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he's with for the record? Yes, sir. My name is Kent Walker. I'm
Representative Barry Hyde
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chair of the Pulaski County Election Commission. Representative Howe, you ready to explain your bill? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Members, House Bill 1807 is an adjustment, I guess. It's probably a little bit more than a cleanup bill. The law is quite old that determines how many voting booths should be provided by election commissions,
specifically pertaining to those who still use paper ballots. There's only nine counties in the state that still do that, Plaski County being one of them. The old law requires one voting booth for every 50 voters in the last election, and it hasn't been enforced in more than 10 years, and primarily because of the early voting turnout that we now have. If we forced our county election commissions to provide that number of booths,
we'd have to build new buildings to store them. So this is just to try and get us a little modernized and reactive to what's really occurring in our elections now and to give the authority to our election commissions to determine what that number is. The commission here in Plancy County is who brought this to me, and they've done the research and can probably give you a better explanation and answer any questions that you may have.
Speaker 25
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Are you all ready for questions, Representative Hath? Yes, sir.
Anybody from the committee that have a question? Any questions?
Representative Debra M. Hobbs
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Reverend Hobbs? Thank you, Mr. Chair. Representative Hobbs, I like the idea of this. However, in Benton
County, the election commissioners have been enrolled in a battle, so to speak. So I'm wondering if we put it to whatever the numbers deemed appropriate by the County Board of Election Commissioners
since I'm assuming, are there three election commissioners in each county? That's what it is in Benton County, is that? Yes. Okay. My concern is since there will be two from one party and one from the other, since we can identify the voters at certain precincts. Could I help you with something? Yes, please.
Representative Barry Hyde
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This doesn't apply to Benton County. Benton County is not a paper ballot county, and this would only apply to the nine counties that are paper ballot counties.
Okay. I should be able to recite that to you, but the staff here
from the Election Commission can't tell you which counties those are. Okay. Okay. Okay,
Representative Debra M. Hobbs
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I think that helps some, but I guess I still want to make sure
that one party doesn't look at a precinct that may be heavily, you know, have a heavier voter turn out from one party to the other and dictate how many booths according to that. Does that make sense? Are you following my concern?
Kent Walker
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It does, Representative. Again, my name is Kent Walker, Pulaski County Election Commission. I would tell you that if you were to have an election commission that would orient booths towards one area versus another, you would have issues with the Department of Justice, meaning you are trying to bring about a voting block that is not necessarily truly representative or making easier access for that particular block. Commissioners overall want to make it easier. It's been my experience that you want fewer complaints on Election Day, so you want more access and you want more ease. And if you accomplish all that, I think what this bill does is allows the Election Commissions the
opportunity to go through and adjust voting booths where they need them. I think this problem is occurring not only in Pulaski County but several other counties. So what we're trying to do is just make sure that Election Commissioners have the authority to have the number of voting booths that are accessible and certainly that
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would allow for the voting to take place in a timely fashion, I think, is your concern. Thank you. Thank
Representative Mary L. Slinkard
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you, Mr. Chair. Representative Schlenker. Representative Hyde, or maybe the other gentleman could answer this.
Now, are these voting booths, are they defined in the definitions about what kind of voting booths are used for paper ballot counties? That comes through state law and rules and regs. We
Kent Walker
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have a certain number of booths that we can choose from. We're given, like Secretary of State's office, I believe I'm certain on this, will give us different companies, different booths we can choose from, so that's where that would arise. Is that correct? No, no, we're talking about booths.
Representative Mary L. Slinkard
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Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Madam Chair. Representative Tyler.
Representative Tracy Pennartz
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Motion at the proper time, sir. So noted. Thank you. Representative Bernard. Just one quick question. Representative Hyde, to me this makes a lot of sense in terms of now with the ease of early voting. I know it's relieved pressure in Sebastian County a lot.
And we have electronic machines over there we use. So wouldn't you agree that in this day and age with early voting and absentee that this
This relieves the pressure somewhat on the number that are needed. MR. I think
Representative Barry Hyde
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you're exactly correct, Representative Penartz, and I'm sure it's
the same things occurring in your counties. Early voting is increasing in numbers every
year, and that's kind of lessening the burden.
If Pulaski County had to go out and buy these additional booths right now to comply with what the law says, the law that we haven't been enforcing for over ten years, it would be more than $200,000 just to buy them before we started talking about the cost of moving them, of finding a place to store them. It's just simply inefficient and not a prudent use of the taxpayer's money. And Sebastian County, I think, does apply because you use some paper ballots in
Representative Tracy Pennartz
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some locations. Yes, we do. But early voting, we do use the paper ballots, but we have the machines, and I always vote
by machine. One other thing is, doesn't the, and I don't know, in Sebastian County we do this, but don't y'all have, during the early voting period, where they can vote on Saturdays, too? We have found that the voting on Saturday really is heavy, and you just come down there and you go in, and there's no lines at all.
Representative Barry Hyde
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And we do vote also in Plassey County on
Representative Tracy Pennartz
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Saturdays. Okay, thank you, Representative Hyde, and thank you, Mr. Chair.
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Is anyone else from the committee? Is anyone in the audience who would like to speak against this proposal? For other
Representative Clark Hall
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proposal? Representative Tyler, do you have a motion? Motion do pass. We have a motion do pass on the floor. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed say no. You pass your
Representative Barry Hyde
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bill, Representative Hyde. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and
Representative Clark Hall
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thank you, committee. We have a little minute, a few minutes before we get started.
time to run another bill? Have you got your amendment ready to go? Which one? 2074. Are
you ready to run 2074? We're trying to find our amendment. If we just bear
Speaker 80
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with us a second. Yeah. How much time do I have? I'm giving up. I'm doing a bill next door here. Right. I'm involved in right now. We're going to go to constitutional amendment. Okay. So
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how long do I have before I come in? When she gets through.
Speaker 80
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I don't, I can't give you that. I don't know.
Speaker 85
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20 minutes. Yes. Probably. Okay. I'll get
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back and tell her. All right, Reverend Slinger, if you'll take the end of the table. We're going
Representative Clark Hall
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to hear House Bill 2074. You have an amendment?
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Representative Mary L. Slinkard
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18:20
Yes. There is an amendment which...
Representative Clark Hall
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Are we passing out the amendment now, staff? Has everyone got an amendment?
Representative Mary L. Slinkard
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want to explain your amendment? Yes. Yes. This amendment, of course, will become the bill. House Bill 2074 was originally submitted as . . .
Representative Clark Hall
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Just talking on amendment, please, ma'am. Just tell us what you're deleting and what
Representative Mary L. Slinkard
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you're adding, if you would. Okay. The amendment is an amendment to a shell bill. Okay.
Representative Clark Hall
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our accuracy down here. So this is just you're amending your whole shell bill into this complete bill? That is correct. We need a motion from the body, the will of the body, to approve amendment to House Bill
2074. Rev. Tyler? So moved. We have a motion to approve amendment. All in favor say aye. Aye. Anyone opposed? Say no. You've approved your amendment to your bill of
Representative Mary L. Slinkard
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19:45
2074. are now ready to explain 2074 as amended. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chair and members of the committee. In this day and time, we used to have for the applications for absentee ballots could be made by fax machine. We have changed in this bill, it changes those places to read electronic means.
The electronic means, of course, would be by electronic mail or facsimile, and it's simple to allow folks to do an e-mail or scan an application for an absentee ballot and to send that in to the clerk, and it does define those electronic means. I'll take any questions. Representative Slinker,
Representative Ann V. Clemmer
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help me out just for a second.
When one wants to get an absentee ballot, say to a college student, my daughter didn't vote this past year, drove me insane because we didn't start early enough. And it seemed like to me we started about, you know, we started about two weeks out. I mean, she's just in Fayetteville. Mail's not forever. Tell me, just walk me through quickly sort of the time involved. I mean, I'm all in favor of this bill, but I would like to know how much this shortens from beginning to end the process of getting an absentee ballot.
Representative Mary L. Slinkard
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21:21
I could probably answer that, but I see a county clerk here
that could probably help you out with that question a little bit better than I can. I thought you were
Representative Ann V. Clemmer
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a county clerk in your former life, Representative Flinker. Well, that is correct. I thought you were an expert on all things.
Representative Mary L. Slinkard
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I just need some assistance here. It's been a while since I've been there. If you would,
Representative Clark Hall
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take your seat and state your name and who you're with, please, ma'am, for the record.
Speaker 103
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I'm Rhonda Cole. I'm the Clark County Clerk, and I'm also the legislative chair for the County Clerk's
Representative Clark Hall
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Association. Representative Slanger. Okay. Are we ready? You want to re-ask the question,
Representative Ann V. Clemmer
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Representative Clemmer, for the... Just to walk through the process. So if we can e-mail now, let me see if I've got this straight. If they can e-mail a request, the voter initiates the request by e-mail, your office receives it, then the ballot goes.
It seemed like to me we had to request the application, and then the application had to get mailed, and then the application had to be mailed back, and then the ballot had to be mailed, and the ballot had to be mailed back. That is
Representative Mary L. Slinkard
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correct. Now, that's the way it is now. How much of that will this shorten? Well, it should shorten because when it becomes available to do electronic means by email to the county clerk's office, then that request for the application form will be emailed back.
Okay, the request is emailed. To the requester. then the form, if they use the absentee request form, would be scanned, that's what I'm trying to say, scanned and then sent back to the clerk if they use the form. The other means is by a postcard or written request by a letter or postcard.
that can also be scanned and sent to the
county clerk's office as a request for an absentee ballot. But
Representative Ann V. Clemmer
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the application is still going to have to be done by paper. Is that correct? If my daughter emails the request, then is the application hard copy? Is it sent to
her? Or is this changing that
Representative Mary L. Slinkard
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part? It's not. We'd like to have Rhonda answer that.
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The way I understand it is we can e-mail them an application. They will fill it out, scan it, e-mail it back to us. And I believe with this bill, I know state law now is we can accept fax applications within seven days of the election. And I don't think this law changes it. I think it's still seven days. So
Representative Ann V. Clemmer
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everything can be done e-mail until as long as it's done seven days ahead of time, and then the ballot is the only thing that has to be mailed in the mail,
and it has to be returned by mail. Is that correct? Unless
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they designate someone to bring the ballot in for them.
Representative Ann V. Clemmer
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Okay. And can any portion of that be picked up or hand-carried at their request? Yes, at their request, the voter's request.
Representative Ann V. Clemmer
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out. MS. Right. MS. Okay. Thank you very much. I appreciate that. Thank you, Representative Slinkert, for bringing this. Anything we can do to make it a little bit easier but still keep control is appreciated.
Representative Mary L. Slinkard
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MS. Well, thank you, Representative Klemmer. And that is correct. The process is a little bit. But when they, you know, you can make an application by letter or postcard that can be also faxed or emailed or scanned. Thank you. Are
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you through Representative Klemmer? Yes, sir. Okay. That's okay. Representative
Representative Tracy Pennartz
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Bernard. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Good morning. The one concern I have, I don't have any problem with applications, even if they had them online
and you could do it some way where you could verify a pin or something. But the only thing I'm concerned about here is the possibility of fraud. Can you assuage my concern about that?
Representative Mary L. Slinkard
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Okay. Applications for absentee ballots must have certain information sufficient to match up that request with the registered voter. Well, when they send it back
Representative Tracy Pennartz
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to you electronically, that's what I'm concerned with, the signature itself.
I just want to make sure that you feel, Representative,
that the possibility of fraud is either zero or has a very low, low, low,
Representative Mary L. Slinkard
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low probability. Because of the electronic signatures, you know, within the system of voters through their voter registration applications, those signatures are matched up when an application comes back in through letter, postcard, fax, or on the absentee request form.
And there is sufficient information there to identify that person as the person who is requesting that ballot. So in
Representative Tracy Pennartz
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your opinion, you feel there's sufficient information there with the signature that fraud has a very low probability of occurring? Yes. Yes.
Okay. Thank you very much. Thank
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you. Representative Tyler. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Just following
Representative Linda S. Tyler
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up on Representative Penartz a bit, what she had to say is, well, I too
I'm concerned about fraud, and I'm also concerned about efficiencies. Why wouldn't we just have the application accessible via the Secretary of State's website or the county's website? Why do we have to go through the process of requesting an application? Why not? Well, to answer your question, I
Representative Mary L. Slinkard
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believe those application forms are out there on website. Well, obviously, I haven't
Representative Linda S. Tyler
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done it before, so thank you. I appreciate
Representative Mary L. Slinkard
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it. I believe that they are representative.
Representative Karen S. Hopper
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Representative Hopper. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Whomever wants to address this, my question is with regard to this language about this time of 1.30 p.m. on the day of the election. Two questions. Does that time just apply when you have an authorized agent of the applicant?
Speaker 107
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Let's see. Is that the delivery of the
Representative Mary L. Slinkard
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current? They're in a nursing facility. Oh, okay. This is all current law. The only thing that we changed here was by electronic means. But to answer your question, that's usually for an authorized agent of a person in a nursing home. Have up until 1.30 on election day to present the application for the ballot, and then that person is the authorized agent to carry the ballot,
and then the ballot has to be back in
Representative Karen S. Hopper
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by 7.30 on election day. Okay.
Speaker 127
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It just seems like an odd time. You know what I'm saying? Like it's not midday or whatever. So is
Representative Mary L. Slinkard
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that, like, highlighted on the paperwork? There's another section of the law that requires the clerks to keep a register of those designated agents and the time. And this register shows the time, the signature of the person delivering the application as well as returning the ballot.
It's a whole other set of requirements for those designated bearers. Are you aware of that ever having been an issue? It just seems
Representative Karen S. Hopper
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like an odd time of day. You know, we have reference points of noon or close of business. You know, it just seems like an odd time
Representative Mary L. Slinkard
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is all. I'm not sure. I don't know the history of that 1.30 at all. I just cannot recall that one. It's just been in the law for several years. Thank you. Just curious. Thank you.
Speaker 27
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Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you. Do
Representative Debra M. Hobbs
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you have a question, Richard? I'll show
Speaker 27
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you just a motion to pass at the proper time. We will so note it. Is anyone
Representative Ann V. Clemmer
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30:26
in the representative, Klemmer, you have a question? I had a follow-up question. I just want to make sure that when that ballot is received by absentee, there is a signature on the envelope containing the ballot inside, correct?
On the outside envelope, there's a
Representative Mary L. Slinkard
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30:47
signature, right? No. So, absentee ballots have several envelopes. On some envelope, before the ballot is
Representative Ann V. Clemmer
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30:56
counted, is there a signature that can be
Representative Mary L. Slinkard
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31:00
checked against the signature? It's the signature on the voter's statement, or it's called statement of voter, that the voter through absentee process must complete. And then there are strict – well, not strict, but there are some procedures necessary for those poll workers who are actually opening absentee ballots.
They have to open the outer envelope, separate the ballot envelope, and the voter statement. So the ballot envelopes actually go into a ballot box. They are supposed to shake them up. Then when they open the ballot, I mean, excuse me, then they go through the voter statements. And if the voter statement is correct, then that's when the ballots actually get opened. But there is
Representative Ann V. Clemmer
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31:51
a signature. My broader question is, there is a signature that comes in with the ballot in some of the paperwork, envelope, or sheet.
That signature is verified? Yes. Before, and if it did not match? I guess I'm just making, as we make this application process easier, if the end, if on Election Day we're checking signatures, I think we need to make the rest of this as easy as possible. But
Representative Mary L. Slinkard
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there needs to be a match signature somewhere. Yes, Representative Klemmer, that is in the procedures required for opening and counting,
not counting absentee ballots, but opening and processing absentee ballots.
Representative Clark Hall
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Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Any other questions, Committee? If not, we'll go to the audience. Is there any questions against this proposal from the audience? For it? Representative Hobbs, do you have a motion? Do pass, please. As amended. As amended. We have a motion do pass as amended on House Bill 2074. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed say no.
Representative Mary L. Slinkard
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You've passed your bill, Representative. Thank you, Mr. Chair,
Representative Clark Hall
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and thank you, Committee. Committee, we're getting ready to take up constitutional amendments. We're going to take about a 15-minute break. Lunch is ready. We will get it out, those who would like to, and then we'll start back here about 12 or five minutes after 12 and try to get some constitutional members out of here.
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