State Agencies Senate and House Aging, Children and Youth - Veterans Study

All because of the last meeting going longer they were going to wait about five minutes to get plenty time for staff to get ready so about five or ten minutes we'll start this meeting. DO and. Can you hear me. All right excellent yes I can. All right we get seated please when you get sick you will call me in order. Okay. Thanks everybody come in we have a shortage in the day but will at the in kind of discuss prior next course of action represent a fight you anything to say thank you on this rainy day thank you first we got a little bit of a good opportunity here to hear from somebody from center both the staff read this little bit differently we found out through some US Senate ethics rules that the. Pat is limited in what he can actually answer questions too so what we'll do is I'll tell you a bit about as bio he'll read a statement and any questions or comments you may have about this great piece legislation at center both been was totally don't will get staff to take it down and local to official email chair our chain next time we have a meet no should be answered from yes I can I guess around the ethical dilemma we may have and allows us to have input this by which were so happy so they'll be about Patrick he's a military better liaison for center John Bozeman before that work he works for the professional staff of the Senate committee to veteran fails fares we handled many veterans issues including the national cemetery before entering public service Pat was in the military US active army for thirteen years of field artillery officer he served in Iraq and Afghanistan and he's currently a major in the US army reserves Pat is married to Nicole any as to keep daughters Kaylee in Cali thank you so much for having day in the floor is yours Sir. I thank you can you all hear me all right. Your good all right excellent nothing service book and I read this statement for Hamas entered from center building afternoon I'm Pat away again and I serve as center Bozeman's military veterans legislative assistant thank you all for the opportunity to discuss this important topic a veteran suicide and provide an update on legislation center Bo's been author that recently passed out of the US Senate it is aimed at preventing in reducing veteran suicide. During veterans have access to quality care receiving the benefits they are in through their service to something center budgeting things great pride in and continues to prioritize and his work on the Senate actions affairs committee. Box Millie eighteen months ago Senate bills be introduced Senate bill nineteen zero six the improved well being for veterans act improves act takes a revolutionary approach to addressing the veterans suicide issue both in Arkansas and across the nation is bill and powers communities at state and local level to combine their veteran engagement efforts with targeted suicide prevention programs it authorizes the department of VA to establish A grant structure that will enable community veteran organizations to expand their outreach enhance the capacity to provide wraparound resources with an emphasis on mental health. Is bill limits beer used to care in works to ensure. That all veterans regardless of their eligibility can receive care from the VA the veteran's health administration thank you received mental health care for question lastly this bill requires communities in the VA to capture and share data this will help the VA local leaders and policy makers form better decisions on what programs work and what do not work in order to pass prioritize our efforts and resources on this important topic. E. improves act was later it was incorporated the Senate bill seven eighty five which is known as the commander John Scott Hannan Bactrians mental health improvement act is bill was passed out of the Senate budget affairs committee with the seventeen zero vote within the last month ask the US Senate by unanimous consent meeting all one hundred senators approved the bill says that over forty veteran organizations some from here in Arkansas and across the country have written in support of the bill encourage the US house of representatives to quickly follow suit and pass the bill getting this initiative signed into law has been senator Bozeman's number one for you number one sections priority this Congress and he's extremely optimistic we will accomplish this goal. What we've learned over the past ten years is that the solution to preventing veteran suicide is not more money more people in the past decade EJ's mental health budget has increased by roughly six billion dollars while several different hiring initiatives were implemented helping to increase overall mental health staff across all the medical centers yes regardless of the more money and more people the total number of veterans taking the lives daily remains unchanged according to CDC in the H. B. H. a health data in two thousand and seventeen an average of twenty veterans day took their life right here in Arkansas during twenty seventeen yeah ninety seven veterans commit suicide which agrees to a veteran suicide rate of forty three point five percent twelve percent higher than the national average. All those twenty veterans nationally we learned that fourteen had not been in communication or seem to be a provider in over twelve months by authorizing the VA to provide funding through grants to community veteran organizations and local agencies we can be given the target those fourteen veterans day to greater out reach better identify with a live in the community ensure they know where to go so they can receive the resources to help them. I would you believe investing why do you believe investing in communities to grants is the best approach to solving this problem in Arkansas we seeing the success of enhanced peer to peer out reach in February of two thousand and nineteen the AV and the Columbia trust fund to the small grants to reimburse gas mileage in a token per diem so that the the AV chapter thirty in Mountain Home Arkansas could continue with volunteered power four year old veteran outreach program about Baxter county within one year by enhancing spending their out reach their veteran our reach program Baxter county was able to reduce the veterans suicide rate by twenty five percent. Dr George Wofford who initiated the lead this effort states person to person contact community out reach is vital to success in reducing batch and suicides when the community can augment these resources with additional local programs like Arkansas's own sheep dog impact assistance actors can begin to thrive in the game yourself purpose community supported and survive veteran organization organization such as the needs Mountain Home chapter can enable veterans to find their new self worth and value promote a renewed sense of self purpose and work to prevent veterans and others in the community from ever reaching a point of crisis. It's great concept an approach is not new about ten years ago Congress created the supportive services for veterans families grant program also known as SS VS. Through this program the VA provides grants to eligible organizations within communities to address the issue of veteran homelessness. During this time Arkansas all on with the rest of the country I see this present. As chairman of the Senate bill instruction of Veterans Affairs subcommittee on appropriations their books and continues to ensure this program seems to proper finding of any more veterans from becoming homeless. Another critical point in preventing suicide is a smooth transition center Bozeman recognizes this first hand from his work and time on both the house and Senate bhajans affairs committees A C. mistranslated is vital for veterans and their family start this new chapter life on a positive trajectory. I transition supported by a community where it's existing veterans and veterans serving organizations provide ways to connect with enjoin the veteran community as an upstream way of preventing suicide strong communities providing organized in synchronized approach in navigating in finding resources within the community to support our veterans transition. This is by providing in funding this is by providing funding in resources to communities better support patrons in the transition to civilian life is a critical part to preventing suicide. When the viewing veteran suicide at the state level thorough analysis of women that you resources must be studied and considered. Women veterans are the fastest growing group of veterans and currently make up ten percent of the veteran population Arkansas has almost twenty thousand female veterans after adjusting for age the two thousand seventeen rate of suicide among women veterans was two point two times the rate among non veteran women the difference is staggering this is why the Senate Veterans Affairs committee recently passed the Deborah stamps to act about four weeks ago in this is the critical first step in beginning to address women veteran issues senator Bozeman's after its drafting this bill were focused on eliminating the barriers. Care and. I mean actions face and helps to ensure the BA can address the needs women veterans who are more likely to face homelessness unemployment and go without the needed health the mental health care. Senator Bozeman remains committed to ensuring that both the commander John Scott handed veterans mental health improvement act in the dead Sam's actor signed into law by the end of this year is new approach on preventing the use induction suicidal fundamentally changed the way states and local communities address action suicide. US senator Bo's been greatly appreciate your work on this important topic and I am thankful for the opportunity to address this committee on his behalf if you have any questions or comments that you would like to share following the end of this hearing please not hesitate to contact our office to discuss the support topic or the legislative initiatives and then Senator garner just that to add your comedy you know however we can be helpful going forward whether that's two phone calls meetings or anything in the future discussing more the details behind this and some of the different things going on in communities across Arkansas or the country you know were more than helpful more than happy to to support. Thank you Patrick we really appreciate that I know your limit what you can say but if you wanna stay on listen if there's any comments or questions I I think that the appropriate a first thing Ostara with I think the important part of this is it seems like if this passes which is very likely to expect the with the the overwhelming support got the Senate the state and community leaders going be the bottle part of this and so as twenty twenty one approaches would you be think about how we can maximize these resources this funding to better empower our state and community leaders and I think that they'll be a big part of our mission moving forward as follows so excited to see Senator Bozeman out run this and come talk about day any questions from committee. Absent if you're recognized. Thank you Patrick what would be the best and easiest way for members to contact you. yet to the yeah I think I needed the sin is our is our military and Veterans liaison in the state of Arkansas workcentre but and and Alice in you is I believe one of the legislative assistance on your committee has my cell phone number and email address and whether you want to email questions or just set up a time to talk over the phone either way works fine thank you. I see no further questions for committee thank you so much Patrick appreciate your time and we'll move on the agenda. Action thanks so much problems. Next we have a Laura one linkedin does say that what right. Watson Dick ma'am if you can please come for thank you so much for coming day. Absolutely ring is a. Right up here on the front that's what the questions are you should have a microphone and we sit down please introduce yourself and your position for the record in if you have a statement go ahead make. My name is Lara Watlington I'm an LCSW and I am the suicide prevention program manager at central Arkansas veterans healthcare system. In my. Your present but. I'm Hannah Davis and I may add LCSW as well and I'm suicide prevention coordinator for the department of Veterans Affairs thank you all so much come and you have a statement open up where they're just kind of generalized which yeah you know I was asked I'm my understanding of my presentation today was to I guess I took with my notes. To let you all know what see a VHS offers as far as helping veterans in our our goals in efforts to reduce veteran suicide in Arkansas I guess one of the main pushes that our program has under gone since I've been in that for approximately six years is that we are looking for community engagement VA alone cannot. Reduce veteran suicide we have a lot of resources we have a lot of people who we have a lot of manpower we have a lot of really good ideas but we cannot do it ourselves so we are we really actively working to engage and partnerships with our communities throughout the state I think you all are probably aware that Arkansas's covered by five different veteran of the AMC's and so we cover central Arkansas I think we have about fifty seven of the seventy five counties we have an overwhelming so we do coordinate with some of the other facilities as needed but central Arkansas veteran health care we just cover mostly central Arkansas The things that we've been able to do there was the clay hunt act and well that did give us some letters national dollars to our program we were unable to give that money to community partners to help them engage so do you guys discuss the Baxter county success that they've had I've worked closely with those two gentlemen from the AV and what they've done has it has been significant in reducing veteran suicide Baxter county is the number one county in Arkansas for rate of suicide. Some have said is the number one in the nation county and I'm not I can't I can't say that's true or not but they do have an exceptionally high rate of suicide in Baxter county. So as I said we're unable to provide things like gas money I do send them a lot of material so what we're able to do is offered education specific training for you know evidence based training that we can give to community members we are able to get out posters and different things we want to raise awareness of the veterans crisis line we are also trying to really reduce stigma because we on the stick my still very current common with not just suicide but also with mental health issues and so that that continues to be a focus of our hours and so Kennedy have anything to add an offhand and I just really to piggyback off what Laura was saying and and senator Bozeman's Representative and the concept of prevention it's kind of you know all the way from when you go to the doctor and you fill out a form before you go in and they do it Senate screening questions that's preventative so the VA is very focused on that to try and find people who might be suicidal before they access care or before it gets to the point the point of a crisis we know that the majority of people who do die by suicide they have never seen mental health or they haven't seen mental health recently but the majority of them have seen their primary care doctors within the last month or so so what that tells us is that are prevention we really have to step that I think it very creative so you have those level they have that level of that prevention from the very basic like a screening you fill out when you going to the doctor all the way up to these bigger Adam projects that we've been working on to create networks within communities that create a fail safe spell fail safe for a veteran who might slip through the cracks otherwise and so there is for example the the project up in Mountain Home that's very that peer to peer based we absolutely support peer support of your support approach and and that's one of the major pushes. That our program has this trip could continue to create those ad networks to be able to identify people what is somebody who is having suicidal thoughts look like is not always what people think. And what do you do how do you engage somebody who suicidal what resources in the community specific and issues that affect veterans that might not affect other areas that other groups are populations as much and so just really wanted to reinforce that that's not one of our main goals is creating those networks in the community. And just to let you know the packets that we handed out the first page is just about our program pretty general the second page just have some resources that are not specific to our program but specific to veterans. I didn't keep one of The finals pages it talks about if you do actually come across somebody who is suicidal and this is one of the main things that we want to get out to communities as a lot of people don't feel comfortable thank you I'm so sorry about that a lot of people don't feel comfortable addressing it you might see somebody in you I mean you but also anybody in the community people might notice somebody's different than the regular cell but they may have no idea how to ask them Hey what's going on is something the matter and so one of the things we really are trying to push is to teach people it's okay to ask somebody if they're okay and it's okay if they say that they are in fact suicidal so that one basic piece of getting people. The education that are that they can ask somebody about being suicidal and then what do they do if the answer is yes those basic components really need to be a part of the fabric of suicide prevention in our communities and that's something that we can definitely help with so we've got warning signs answering the call it just gives you some tips on how to handle it that's the attachment and then this page this is just specific to our local team and so I don't know if you've heard of the veterans crisis line I would assume so it's the same number as the national suicide prevention lifeline we just promoted differently and if you've ever called it it says if you're veteran press one and then they get to veteran trained staff we have three different call centers throughout the country and then our team does the follow up with them if their local to us. Perfect thank you so much four got a question will start off the first one. So we were looking at our we always have our prior engine that we have to prove before and last time I looked at was February and it was pretty Covin we had some really good meetings in northwest Arkansas all south Arkansas in central Arkansas obviously things have changed dramatically so let's get the specifics what have you seen the challenges of this covert nineteen pandemic is done on veterans managing there's a whole host of issues over the emotional stress the ability to come and get care if needed what have you seen for the last six months and what do you anticipate going forward or some of the challenges in the things that you over just to to kind of give me an overview of how you all of the dress to if you don't mind okay. You can take it if you don't speak about the we've definitely I mean it goes without saying that. Regardless of veteran status or not co that is had at a major impact on everyone's mental health and within suicide prevention we've absolutely seen an increase and veterans that calling the crisis line reaching out for mental health services and there's add on a. logistical level at the VA there being issues with veterans thinking will the benefits offices close so the whole the a must be closed at such a large hospitals we've had access issues people having their at not being able to get to appointments etcetera not necessarily because the services aren't there but just because they think it's closed because other offices associated with the government closed and. So absolutely seat an increase in add to that I mean in a bill at the inability to cope people's ability to do the things that helps them previously or that may be brought them a little bit of pleasure or recreation they haven't been able to do as much and our highest risk group I have whether you're a veteran or not is a sixty five and older white male and so amongst that group you've seen and those also happened to be sixty five and older you happen to be at a higher risk for contracting cultivated having adverse effects from it so they've been EE concerned. and so we've added this extra level of fear and which of course can have tremendous affect someone mental on to mental health we've really been focused within our team and within the VA as a whole out reaching people over the phone as sending increased we said increased at mail outs that have real specific ways and. A targeted things you can do to support your mental health and the VA has a number of that I like I floated enjoyed apps that you can use we've been really trying to educate and push those and online networks but of course for your older population that is still going to be a challenge add just with the technology so trying to address those as they come up unit yes so like Hannah said all risk factors in all categories have increased and they are much more difficult to deal with during the covered crisis so as she said also you know we at the VA has adapted we're doing a lot more VVC which is video VA video connect where they actually have if the better has a smartphone they can have a face to face appointment is just through a phone instead of in person we've increased phone calls they're doing a lot more telephone visits and in fact the no show rate despite having trouble. With people sometimes knowing how to access in the new ways there has been a decrease in those shows and what not because the availability of somebody showing up by phone verses in person it has reduced some barriers on a level now I think one of the focuses will have for the next six months is just to educate veterans on this is the availability of types of appointments weeds we still do face to face certainly in mental health and other areas but they reduced the number that are allowed per day and so I think a big focus is just educate our veterans on be a still open and we're still here is just a matter of finding out how to access as and well we do promote the veterans crisis line we also like to promote that as a veteran line I always tell people if you don't have to be in crisis to call that number and please don't wait until you're in crisis that's a good access number for anything we we navigate a lot of the programs for better population just because we have it access access and names and numbers and everything else so. Thank you very much we have one question and I'll probably follow up with a question and a comment first my my district Representative Richardson. Thank you Mr Speaker of I was curious resell pata think was his name who just said that there was an increase of women in that rate of two times to those that are in the military are you guys see in that same thing here in the state and are you tracking information in terms of the diversity of the clientele that are call any in and what do those numbers show us. We do we do track calls to the better crisis line in general since our state is so small and that a number of calls that we take ours small enough that we're not able to really give specific. data points on number Jim a gender and whatnot we do see more women than we used to see say five years ago and there's certainly an increase in female suicide the female veterans are tending to use more legal means than civilians although the civilian population of females is increasing as well using fire arms which increases the legality of their attempts Hannah did you wanna. With regards to the diversity we do track the diversity and I would say it's probably reflective of and. The general diversity amongst military and something to keep in mind though is. The cultural aspects that affect different groups and they're accessing of mental health care so I would say that definitely plays a factor with regard to the diversity and but yes absolutely for for women we see more and more women accessing care and in terms of completed suicides. I don't think we necessarily seen an increase Within our state and what we what we look at but we're only looking at people who would qualify for veterans benefits so there are people outside of that that would still be probably tracked as veterans just not by our team. And but the women definitely are just as comfortable and have the training is that floor said to use a firearm as their male counterparts and so that it can increase when you're using the more lethal means there's less forgiveness there while their civilian counterparts are more likely to perhaps to an overdose or something like that so that plays a role within our female population. Thank you I think next we have a Representative Evans. Thank you Mr chair ladies thank you for your presentation for your work on this effort I find it very interesting that Baxter county is the leading county in the state just curious with so many other counties that we have in Arkansas who have a much denser population have you done any studies to see. What the density ratio is the number the number in Baxter county as compared to the number of people there and secondly why Baxter county what what's causing that the large number there. So the density question yes the race that they they tractor per capita so per one hundred thousand and they are lowered into the area but they do have a very high population of veterans I believe they have about six thousand veterans that live in Baxter county and so that makes a really large ratio of the entire population of the county as far as why Baxter county I've heard speculation but we have no scientific evidence about why they say that there's a large number of out of state veterans who have located there for retirement it's a beautiful area of the state it is extremely role and so that had a lot of. Difficulty I accessing treatment but as far as VA is concerned what we've been able to do we do have one of our community based outpatient clinics there and so at the community's request and at the communities need our clinic has now offered they offer a lot more services and they they previously did we have a full time psychiatrists I think we have a probably a total of a four five percent full time minute mental health team there we've now started offering physical therapy audiology I optical and we've included we've increased a lot of the services on top of that I don't know if you all have heard of the mission act I'm sure you have and that allows for easier access to community options it's about a three hour drive from Mountain Home to either Fayetteville or to little rock and that's a difficult drive in so the mission ACT has also improved access to where they don't have to drive quite so far if they're driving three hours one way for PT that defeats the whole purpose right and so the mission ACT has helped considerably and then the Seebach community based outpatient center has increase or services follow a Mr. Have you have you seen an uptick in the. I've been the monthly numbers since March with the fact that you said it's a three hour drive so lack of close care where we have some of the other areas in the state that could possibly depend upon telehealth. As an asset for treatment but yet with the fact that broadband. Connective itty in such isolated areas Baxter county. Could be so bad that. Hello health is not an option if you're seeing an uptick in that an up tick in the number per month or since Mar since cove aid. Or maybe both were maybe some areas have the availability of better broadband so better telehealth right as opposed to what they might have available in Baxter county I don't know that we could specifically say that they don't have the broadband I mean Arkansas in general any anytime I'm with the legislatures. The Arkansas needs better broadband period whether we're in a because the prices are not that it's always been a an issue for telehealth the ETC anything like that. In general for the state of Arkansas we are for all state we have seen an increase in both attempts and completions with completed suicides and so we have seen an uptick in general yes Sir thank you. They are moving on that was kind of my question and I'm happy was asked that I would imagine they would be more up tick in suicide attempts and things and I think that's as a way Covin moving for that has to be consideration not just far better population but for mental health across state for all the various factors that coal stressors that are exasperated because of this next we have a Representative wouldn't. You're recognized her. Thank you Mr run question is been answered but you touched of something that some. Of the total population What what do you say or or water you all planning or what are you doing. Overall for mental health It seems to be a prevalent problem through hell societies today. So and and and of course a very important element of it is the veterans. The what what what do you see is an effort that perhaps could help this not being triad or needs to be improved upon today. And that my teammate and who isn't here today and and I have been working on is a and as a spoke about earlier creating these networks and to train people because I think one point you're making it even if we're looking at how to help our veterans one of the only way to help our veterans is to help everyone overall rate with regards to their perception and the stigma of mental health my husband's deployed right now so when he gets home if I myself I'm not a veteran but if I have significant Fears or concerns or maybe mental health is been stigmatized for me how am I supposed to help him if I see when he gets home if I can identify or if I'm not comfortable enough to identify or talk to him about mental health so we have this better and but as a spouse I can't reach out to him and if I have my own barriers so we and in these trainings that we do when prior coveted we were really start to roll them out and then co that hit and we had to it you know it it derailed a lot of stuff for a lot of different groups but and we have very Frank conversations about mental health we try and provide and that peer to peer network is really important because me coming up and more coming up as LCS W's. People know what they're gonna talk to spot mental health but it's a totally different thing when we bring in one of our peer supports and you know he's just a guy that has been through all this himself and he can talk about his own story A doesn't have a lot of the ethical things that we might be limited by and so that peer to peer connection and so in terms of of course we always need more access especially for and people who don't have any kind of benefits and in terms of our community mental health options especially for veterans who maybe don't aren't able to get to follow up because of their discharge status through their time service but we're really focused on those preventative trainings to trying to get education out there to change the culture around mental health and we do a lot of campaign social media campaigns there've been things on a larger scale that have been on television and things like that but just having conversations and making things trying to reduce that that fear surrounding mental health and in a real way is one of our main focuses may I tag along just a bit of that was one of the things that senator Bozeman's military a Pat I believe it was Patrick was talking about that that is so necessary to have a smoother transition from active duty to civilian status that's one of the most critical times it's one of the most highest risk for suicide periods is it such a significant transition and so to to help the families I think they have the yellow ribbon events center supposed to be a part of that again before the permit head we were starting to partner with the air base but we're also trying to partner with camp Robinson and some of those other places that have more ready access to returning veterans and so that's something that's been put on the burner back burner for a little bit but the training that we do we were again ramping up into the community more so than we have been able. Two previously but just to teach the people we were partnering with the health department they advocate for a program called Q. P. R. which is question persuade persuade refer in that aligns with the community program we have which is called save which is you know looking for the signs asking the question validating their experience and then expediting treatment and so we were about to launch a pretty good campaign with the health department to get into the community pretty pretty deeply that was our goal and to just teach people this is how to do it this is how to ask this is how to recognize the signs that somebody might be in crisis into really normal as the whole thing. Thank you very much for your efforts and your involvement thank you Mr chairman yes Sir next we have Representative rye. Thank you Mr chairman ladies. Of all these folks that have committed suicide. The rate that goes along with it. Is it. More is it higher and the ladies that are unemployed than it is for folks that are not employed. I don't have the statistics in front of me but I do believe that joblessness which effects financial issues which could ultimately affect homelessness and every other thing that goes along yes I do believe that I could say joblessness definitely has an effect on the rate of suicide. And can I say one more thing about that yes ma'am with regards to and when we look at so your components of your military so you have your active duty if your service and you have your national guardsmen your reservists in your national guardsmen you tend to see more of these issues a month because of unemployment there'd there are things in place that protect peoples jobs while they're deployed however people do still lose their jobs they have trouble reintegrating back in to their job and after they've been had active duty time so and that financial peace and is very important and that can create we we know that one of the main risk factors for and suicide is a sense of burdensome nis and self a veteran feels like they're burden on their family they may start to feel like their family would be much better off without them so we definitely see that as a factor of the financial aspect playing into that burdensome miss. Absolutely. See no further questions I have one quick comment thank you all so much for coming this is one of those examples where you hear somebody from your district and you have somebody with the are you see in front of you signal marking up this veteran went to the VA hospital in little rock and said that whenever he tried to do the. Scan court how your traditionally do it they've stopped that because a covert related reasons he said now they make you fill it out and he said his opinion that was just as dangerous as force exposure the viruses Hector watched and they were re clean it thereby is using the same P. and so might be one thing for you the attempt to do something better is actually worse he brought it up I had a chance to bring it up as one in little local issues I said I'll bring it up so I'm here I said it should be happy but just you can fix that A be great with that I see no further questions and thank you ladies so much that was outstanding presentation thank you thank you Sir thank you. Yeah we need to back up and adopt the minutes are from the last meeting accept a motion for the February twenty fourth meeting motion we have a second house there's a I. Those are on other business when we put this together we attempted and and I think was very successful in going on across state and not though those means were well attended people felt like we came or district also the code is change that has a move for before this task forces or this past thirty issued me it's centigrade it because of the twenty twenty one I guess something when you think about it we can continue to do that with some of the safety and health risks of not in conflict with the weather we need to go to northwest Arkansas which was one of my places back to south Arkansas so soon as you committee members as we move forward and we start talk about the next meeting I would like to go out to the communities but to be up to you as a local legislators see if they'd be willing to come and if it could be done safely if it does I'd be more than happy to accommodate that I believe our staff could as well so just a thought opportunity everything's a. Thank you with that is me is adjourned.