Joint Performance Review (JPR)

Members if you don't mind taking your seat so we get started because budget does start at 9. >> Representative Gazaway >> was trying to make it but I do not think he is going to make it down here. >> Because I believe he felt that we will start at 9 state of 830. >> But anyway so and you know what's on the agenda is what we're here today but I will give you just a little bit of background as to why we're here as most of you know but I don't know if all of you know we got it done route. >> And an audit >> for lack for word investigative report >> on the >> Henderson state university and there was a lot of findings that it came out of that >> so >> during that meeting which what was last Friday which lasted about 3.5 hours towards the end of the meeting a bunch of members wanted to continue this own and for us to investigate further >> so >> the motion was made to send this to J. P. are now. The thing was is whenever the motion was made >> I did go back >> and try to narrow it down to try to make it so that this committee would >> would look at >> some misstatements that happened in the financial statements and also there were payments that were being hailed. 2 vendors that were not being paid. The chairs of leg audit did want to limited just to that which is smart so I did say >> including but not limited to >> so that we would not be held to those 2 items. >> So our challenge will be though there's >> no doubt from what we see in there is going to be. A huge amount of mismanagement that was out there. >> Our. >> Are the ideal was is that we would be mainly looking for things that might be criminal or civil in nature. And after we find all this and do this investigation we will send a report back to wake audit for the determination to be made if anything needs to go any further so they'll actually have the final determination of that so we're just going to gather information. We're going to be asking people to come down and testify. Our ideal is to be as complete as possible so we'll probably have people that may just come down and testify this site >> I don't know anything. But >> we want to get him down here because we will be doing sworn testimony and we will not want to have all that so that we can be diligent in in our duties >> so with that >> does anybody have any questions as far as >> as that part >> Representative fielding. >> Thank you Mr chairman for the debt. And I understand what you say and what about the Legarda but what. Did the audit. I feel that that was something that they missed that could be. A legal or something that that they miss then the audit best reason that that is here >> as far as legislative audit itself I cannot say that of course their duty was go in and and to make that report as what it happened during the meeting itself the members because of some of the testimony that came out thought that there should be further investigation so I guess I'll have to say that we're here based upon. I'll be more of the testimony and for the lack >> of. >> Understanding steel is why not why things that occurred specifically the misstatements in the financial statements because during the meeting. >> The >> the bill we had some board members down there also and according to the board members they themselves did not get the right get the correct information that they were provided incorrect financials >> so. Provided incorrect you said >> it would be some of the administration it would well that that's part of what we're looking at because to be honest with you we had the past president doctor Jones there and doctor pal which you know doctor pale that used to be with higher ed he was our financial officer he provided testimony we never could really figure out. >> How that was provided to the board >> or how it even got entered incorrectly on the. On the financials and sales >> so that will be part of what we're looking for. So we are looking for something a legal intent that may or may not happen had happened that's what I'm understanding. I'm a try to get a clear what you know what is it what is here and what is on this occasion that we will be looking at that was not brought out and all that so I'm trying to get your just trying to >> understand Mister chairman yes and that's a great question that representing fielding I will say that that will be part of it for sure so we'll just and you know. May not be a thing there other than just totally mismanagement but that will be because instead of us because this thing is is is large and huge as most of you know we've already got a lot of questions from people out in the state never thing again we could be here for weeks if we didn't try to narrow it down so that was a reason in the meeting I tried and they're it down but we're not totally limited to that. And yesterday during budget hearings. 8 came out also that it appears that either. The circuit. >> Either >> either things are being paid or things are being procured >> services or goods >> without an appropriation. >> But >> so we need to delve into that part just a little bit also. >> So >> I guess you would say in addition to that we've already. Might may go up one more when they include that one also. Represent Larry did you have a question. >> Well I just. Head of a state of clarification just from for my viewing and I watch the live streaming of the the hearing Friday in the you're exactly right it was it was the testimony that has brought us to this point of believing that there was a a lack of candor on the on the parts of those who were sworn in provided testimony of or even a lack of any willingness to of to explain how things happened and I think while legislative audit certainly had subpoena power and have certain investigative powers joint performance review has a more far ranging responsibility in terms of investigations I mean like for instance I would assume and I know today the motion that we're going to be taking up would be to to authorize the cheers 2 issue subpoenas but you know I would I would think they would this needs to go as far as looking at emails that something legislative audit would not do we would look at the emails to find out who know who knew what when because that seem to be the main thing I was hearing is there were fingers point in different directions but there really was not clarity about. What were the triggers what were you know who really knew who fell asleep at the wheel or maybe did more than falsely that there was malfeasance and so on I don't know if that helps clarify but I believe we need to dig deeper >> yes Sir and that's well put in just to go a little bit further for the members. >> I >> don't >> heights >> I anticipate this to be. 45 meetings I don't know don't want to limit it but also don't want to go. I have 20 meetings so. With that being said you're exactly right as far as the males some of that is already in place in addition. 3 ms Garrity in miss brown we've also made to request a darker Markham with higher rated that she send out an email. Senate emailed her staff to ask if they've had any correspondence as it relates to the financials or. Again any text anything to that nature you know with Henderson state university so in addition to the emails and stuff you're talking about higher ed we've also asked them to just make sure that. There was no correspondence back and forth there is it relates to the specific issues so that is in process and you're exactly right Representative Lowery. Johnny misdirect. Represented rest >> thank you thank you Mr chairman and senator Hickey a you know during that that went on last week >> would >> probably thank that when the point was made of $5000000 of being off that by A and and then and I approved last year when a report was given to the university that they were an actual financial condition and the war raises given at that point that that does make you wonder a little bit >> yes Sir >> you're >> you're exactly right again that would be the misstatements on the financials which we'll delve into. Members of course budget starts at 9 what we're here today for is. This body has to authorize the way this is set up for this committee is is this body has to authorize the issuance of subpoenas and in addition to that I will let you know. It is not my will or intent that we do that and we're going to be doing invites and just trying to get everybody down here I've already been assured that >> the >> as far as the Henderson state employees that we may get down here I don't see that we're going to have any issues with that they're going to come they're going to come down but we've also got >> to >> understand that a lot of work for the business department we can Adam all at one time because they've got a run that ship >> so >> I don't they were having issues there as far as the subpoena stuff there are some past employees that we may have to get we don't know if they'll come but we're on track everything we can to invite in addition to that. Let's say that we do run into something if you all authorize this that we see where we have to do it in addition and I've already text the sender Hendren and Representative shepherd as pro tem and Speaker they have to sign off on that so it's not something it'll be something that we will abated. Thoroughly before that will be done and again that's not my intent >> but. >> I also don't want people thing we will not do it so. Representative voting. >> I understand what of the SS my same banking into the you know we can invite them then you know let that be the last resort they were to do this to us a paying them I think Senator vitamin always you know within the calm of not I think that the more about reports to try to get some information this can affect so I agree what you are trying to do sure >> so this is just like I say going to allow this but they will be more steps involved even if we were to decide to do one so. With that any other questions. Okay the motion I will make date. Okay I've just been told that we have to do a separate voice vote for the house and the Senate so the motion that away before today's I move the authority be granted to the chairs of JP are to exercise a subpoena power of the committee to issue subpoenas for persons documents and records related to the finances of Henderson state university. In addition I've already told you all of that the Speaker. And the pro tem due to statute will have to sign off on it so that is even though the motion doesn't say that statue requires it. >> One of the most is that you have in the. >> If needed. It does not. That. Okay of course it needed will be at the at the discretion of the chairs. So I'd also want to be playing with that so. Okay on the so I've got a motion and a second I will do the house first Odysseus but Senate not to say all in favor on the house side say aye. Any oppose okay passes on the house all in favor on the Senate side say aye. Any opposed. Okay the motion passes any anything additional. Where John.