Undercover Law Enforcement Officer Public Records Protection Study and Focus Group
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Representative Robin Lundstrum
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But I think we can go ahead and get our things going while they're working on it.
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I'll tell you what, before we get started and
Representative Robin Lundstrum
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while we're working on some technical issues, I'd like to go ahead and just take a moment and
let everybody introduce themselves and also introduce the audience members. If we could start up here, we'll start with some seniority with Representative Tosh and
Representative Dwight Tosh
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work our way around the horseshoe. Thank you, Madam Chair. I'm Representative Dwight Tosh. I serve as Chair of State Agencies. I'm in my third term as a state legislator, and it's a great honor for me to be here
and glad I've been appointed to this committee by the Speaker
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of the House. Thank you. Thank you, Madam Chair. I'm Josh Curtis. I work for the Association of Arkansas Counties. I have a kind of a very broad view of this. I represent the county clerks, the circuit clerks, the county collectors, as well as the sheriffs across the state. I'm Brenda
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DeShields. I'm the Benton County Circuit Clerk. I'm in my eighth term, and I'm also representing the Circuit Clerk's Association.
Cliff Mckinney
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My name is Cliff McKinney. I'm an attorney at Quattlebaum Grooms and Toll, and my practice focuses on real estate and
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transactional matters. So happy to be here and appreciate the
Rebecca Talbert
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opportunity to serve. Thank you. My name is Rebecca Talbert. I am the Garland County Tax Collector, and this
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is my first time to be on a committee like this, and I'm looking forward
Stu Smith
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to serving. My name is Stu Smith, and I'm a state representative from District 63 in Independence County.
Representative Danny Watson
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State Representative Danny Watson, District 3, Hemistad, Nevada
County's non-committee member, Reference to law enforcement, spent just a little bit of time in there before. Is that correct, Representative Tosh? And thought I'd just show up and see what's going on. Thank you. My name
Billy Rowanbeck
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is Billy Rowanbeck. I'm with Pulaski County Title,
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and I've been on the Arkansas Land Title Association Board, served as its president a number of years ago, and off and on and currently as the legislative chair.
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And it's a privilege to be here today with you all. I'm Mark Hollingsworth, I'm the criminal commander for the state
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police and the state police representative of the committee. I'm Blake Hanby with city title and closing in Northwest Arkansas and also a past board member and president of the
Representative Les Warren
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Arkansas Land Title Association. Thanks for having me. And I'm Les Warren, state rep from Hot Springs and also get to work with Blake and Billy in the title industry.
So I'm glad to have my tax collector here as well. So, thank you. Okay.
Representative Robin Lundstrum
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And we have two members that couldn't make it. One is Kent Williamson,
who is with Arvest Bank in Northwest Arkansas. He had a meeting he could not get out of. And then we have one who is unfortunately sick with a temperature, and he asked to not come. And we said, thank you very much. Please don't. But he is listening. He's watching us online. So, we hope you get to Feeling Better Russell Hill. And for those that are watching online and live, we are having a technical difficulty with the call-in number,
but you can call in at 501-320-3013, 501-320-3013, and we'll get your questions and get those answered. We have Mr. Baxter. Would you introduce yourself? That's not a problem with your perfect
Representative Robin Lundstrum
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going to be pretty informal, so I'd like you to introduce yourselves as well.
Mr. Smith. We won't hold that
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against you. We're glad you're here. Okay. All right. I'm glad you all are here.
Representative Robin Lundstrum
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Thank you. I'd like to introduce the staff. They're often not seen, but very
much appreciated for all that they do. Sitting right here is Blake Gillum. You've gotten
a ton of emails and probably a phone call, and I just couldn't thank him enough for all the background and work he's done. Judy Steelman over here, she's trying to hide, but she can't. She's been helpful as well. And Michelle Davenport is the attorney. And she is over on the other side in the other building. And Karen Locke is over here as well. They're switching seats on us today. And we're very thankful for the IT folks that
are trying so hard to get this PowerPoint to work for us.
So if it doesn't, they always have backup. So we have a hard copy as well.
Um, today, first, since this is the first meeting of this group, the whole focus of this is to protect law enforcement's personal information, um, public information is handled in the police department, but this is about protecting their personal information. But first, we need to elect chairs and vice chairs and a secretary. Um, are there any questions before we begin? The chair and the vice chair must be legislators, and if the secretary ever has a chair, they must also be a legislator.
Okay, Blake has reminded me the chair and vice chair must be legislators and the secretary
needs to be, should the chair and vice chair not be present, the person in charge of the meeting must be a legislator, so, yes. I
Representative Les Warren
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move Robin Lundstrom be chair. Okay. Is there any other? I second that motion. Okay.
Representative Robin Lundstrum
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Anyone else? All those in favor?
Aye. Okay. I'll accept that. Vice chair. I'll make a motion that Dwight Tosh be
Representative Les Warren
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vice chair. Do we have a second? Second. Second. All those in favor?
Representative Robin Lundstrum
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Aye. Representative Tosh, you better run now while you've got a chance. All right, Secretary.
Representative Dwight Tosh
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Madam Chair, I make a motion that Representative Les Horn be nominated as elected as Secretary. Second. Mr. Curtis
Representative Robin Lundstrum
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seconds. All those in favor? Aye. All right. Well, I think we've got this all done. We have a wonderful presentation that I would like to get to. I'd like to first thank Mr. Roenbach. He has been a wonderful person to talk to and helpful and has put his time and effort into this, and I'm glad I listened to him, and I'm looking forward to hearing what he has to say on
this PowerPoint presentation. Since it's not able to come up, why don't you just keep your seat, Pull your microphone close and take us through LLCs and trusts. Before you do that, let's
look over these rules and procedures to see if anybody has any questions. And we do need to approve them. So moved. Mr. Curtis has made
a motion. Do I have a second? Second. Okay. Any questions?
All right. Any discussion? All right. Please identify yourself. Do you have any questions
Speaker 39
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on the rules? This is Kent Williamson. I'm
Representative Robin Lundstrum
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calling out myself. Okay, great, Kent. I'm glad you're here. All right. All right. All in favor of the rules? Aye. Aye. Thank you. All right. Mr. Roenbach, if you'll begin your presentation.
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Well, thanks for the endorsement. I appreciate it very much. Likewise, it was good to work with you
Speaker 73
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during the session, which led to this interim study. Before you have Exhibit F, which was just a quick PowerPoint that I put together. And let me just say that I'm not a graphics art designer, so it doesn't have a whole lot of bling, but I think it cuts to the chase and gives a
Speaker 33
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good visual display of what we talked about. You know, this is a pretty honorable thing that I totally can appreciate, not just with law enforcement,
but there's other people in the community that we seek to protect, such as sports figures and people of high net worth that are unfortunately attracted, have attracted to
Speaker 73
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people with not so good intentions. And so we have utilized tools in the past to keep their identities unknown, such as these as creating trusts and LLCs and so I pulled together two examples that I knew that we had been involved in that you could see not only this is how you do it but this is what it looks
Speaker 33
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like if you were to go to the public websites the collector site and the circuit clerk site so we'll kind of go through both of them and there were there's other examples that probably Cliff can expand on as far as different entities inks and escorts and
Speaker 73
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stuff like that but I just kind of I've narrowed it to these two because that's what we see the most. So on the first one, the first, which will be the second page. I just put, there's already tools available to conceal the identity of the actual owner of real estate, if you do it correctly.
The first example are trusts. So the identity of the true underlying beneficiary of the trust can be concealed by the trustee. And then I pulled on the next slide, which would be the back second page or the fourth page. It has the index. If you go to the Pulaski County Collector's Office or Assessor's Office, it'll identify a trust that was recently used to try to protect somebody and was successful in doing so.
The May Revocable Trust. you'll look at the bottom there in Pleasant Valley, number 10, Valley Club Circle. The next slide, if you were to click on that index, it brings up, and it looks like this. It'll bring up the actual page of the assessor's site, which again does not identify who that was. Incidentally, I was the trustee of this trust, and so if you really dig into it, it looks like it's me, but It could be anybody, a CPA, an attorney, somebody that fills in for the actual person.
But it doesn't show either on there. So you can't search it by the true person to be able to find out if they own this piece of property. The next page, which looks like this, is from the Plaston County Circuit Clerk, where they're indexed. and again it identifies the trust and it has me as the trustee but I do not own that piece of property. Probably what I'll do is go through both these examples and then take questions.
Is that okay? Then the next example is through a limited liability company and you know a really good a real estate attorney such as Cliff could give you some feedback on you know pros and cons on those and but both have we've seen them used in both ways But limited liability company, the member, and in this case it was me, isn't necessarily the same as the shareholder, the party that actually owns the shares of that LLC. Again, the next page, which will look like this, has the assessor's site, which is what it looks like from a forward-facing public viewpoint, which has the name of the LLC.
And if you click on that index, it'll bring up the actual page that shows that. And again, the shareholder of the LLC is not shown. And then finally, on the back of this presentation, it has the circuit clerk's index, which shows the LLC as well. So if you were to do a search, say, let's say the underlying owner or beneficiary of that trust was John Doe. And
Speaker 33
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neither search could you find the property by looking up John Doe, which I think accomplishes what we're trying to do to protect that identity of law enforcement.
Representative Robin Lundstrum
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And that goes for the assessors, the tax collectors, all of that. It does.
Speaker 73
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When we were talking about it during the session, I said, you know, I think this is largely about
Speaker 33
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education and, you know, how that there's tools available that can be done. And that education is a good starting point for it. Mm-hm. Questions from the committee?
Representative Robin Lundstrum
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Of a trust or an LLC. If you
Speaker 86
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could step up and use your microphone and turn it on with a green button. property in the name of the LLC's personal,
Speaker 88
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real, everything? We see it both ways, but I think it's probably most common that I've seen it lately using
Speaker 90
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a trust. Wouldn't you say, Cliff? I see
Speaker 91
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both trusts and LLCs used pretty regularly for that purpose. I mean, certainly we could help people come up with a step-by-step process of
doing it because you also have to worry about concealing it with the Secretary of State as well because there's some records that are available the Secretary of State, but it's certainly a doable thing and something I do pretty regularly actually in my practice because of people, typically it's high net worth individuals who don't want to be, want somebody to know that they just went out and bought a $5 million house. They don't want that showing up in the newspaper, so they'll set up a LLC or a trust in order to avoid that. So it's pretty common. Keep
Speaker 93
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their name out of it. How would this protect the officers from just generic Google searches
like Spokio and those type of websites? Well, in the
Speaker 33
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case of the trust or the LLC, Cliff makes a good point, just making a further step, in particular within LLC, since those are registered with the state, although the trusts aren't. You know, it does not identify or would not identify who that underlying owner was. You'd have to have the LLC operating agreement or the trust agreement, neither one of which are forward-facing, neither one of which are public record. So you'd have to have those, and a Google search is relying on those public records
to be able to establish that database, and they wouldn't have access to that. What I would
Cliff Mckinney
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add, though, is if someone wants to move their existing property that they already own, so let's say today I own it in my personal name
Speaker 91
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and I want to move it to a trust or to an LLC in order to conceal identity, that might still show up in a Google search. So you have to do this before you acquire the property in order to keep it from showing up in a Google search. Let me,
Representative Les Warren
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do you mind if I ask a question? Okay. Rebecca, you brought that up and I hadn't thought of that. And Cliff, you and Blake and Billy are probably more familiar with this.
I know we do it all the time with real estate, LLCs and trusts, but I hadn't thought of the personal property. Do y'all put personal property assessments in? I just did that for a client a
Speaker 96
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couple weeks ago who wanted to, yeah, you can do it for personal property as well. So like a boat or
Speaker 97
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a car or something like that? Yeah, it was some vehicles. In
Speaker 14
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the recorder's office, we file property all the time in trusts. And a lot of times if they come in with their actual trust, it's an abstract that's prepared by the attorney.
So it does not give what they're putting in it. it's an abstract of their name going into the trust. So as Mr. Hill was saying, I'm sorry, McKinney, I can't tell where the signs are, sorry, Mr. McKinney was saying it would start in the individual name if they already owned it when the trust was prepared, and then it would go over into the trust. So you would want to do this on
Speaker 17
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the onset of owning the property. I should say in order
Speaker 91
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to maximize your privacy, I mean, you can always do it later,
and if someone were just to search the current records, they'd have to
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start digging in order to find out that you moved it. Yeah, as an example, if you'd transferred it from Billy Roenbeck to XYZ Trust, if you were to go into the assessor site and put the name in Billy Roenbeck once that transition occurred, it wouldn't pull that up. But if you were to go into the circuit clerks records and you ran it as grantor and grantee, then it would. It would take some extra effort to get there. The best way to do it, to maximize it, is to do it from the onset.
Representative Robin Lundstrum
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That's exactly right. Other questions? This is really helpful. This may be an educational video for the officers, because what brought this up was undercover officers that had testified were being stalked. So, and all they wanted to do is protect their homes. So this is helpful. Mr. Hollingsworth. How about the subscription
Speaker 34
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services like Accurrent, things like that? Are they listed in those? Are you familiar with those at all?
Speaker 91
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I am familiar with those. Again, as long as you're starting off the transaction fresh. So if I go buy a new house, there's always some risk if you just try to move it. Then no, because all they're going to see is whoever the registered agent was for the entity or whoever the trustee is for the entity. So, for instance, if you were to go to the Arkansas Secretary of State's website and go under registered agent or under incorporator, which there's a section you can search, and put my name in there, it looks like I own so many properties it's not even funny. And every so often I get a chuckle when I see in the paper that I bought some business
or bought some restaurant. And I didn't. It was my client. But in order to protect their privacy, I get listed as a registered agent, I get listed as the incorporator. And it's a common
Representative Les Warren
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thing for attorneys to do. MR. Mark, I'm sorry. I wear hearing aids. So what was your question?
Speaker 34
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We use subscription services from some time, and we do backgrounds on people. And one of them that's pretty widely used is called Accurrent. Okay. And some of the law firms have those as well, and people can buy it as a subscription service.
And it covers a vast number of records, telephones, property, neighbors, acquaintances, things like that over the years. And it's
Speaker 110
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an open source subscription, basically. Good discussion. And any other questions?
Representative Robin Lundstrum
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What would the cost be to these officers to
Speaker 24
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get the trust started and to put everything into a trust? I can address that. It depends
Speaker 91
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on what the attorney charges, of course.
Of course, I think the two best ways are either a trust or an LLC, and there are pros and cons each way. I could go through those, but a trust or an LLC, either one setting it up, you're talking a few hundred dollars for most attorneys. If it's very basic, if you're not asking me to do anything creative or deal with a special needs individual or something like that, if you just want the most basic shell LLC or basic shell trust, you're talking a few hundred dollars. The trust does not have an annual fee in order to keep it up, but the state does charge a $150 annual fee to keep your LLC up.
Representative Les Warren
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MR. WHICH IS WHAT, WHEN ROB AND I AND DWIGHT AND I WERE ALL TALKING ABOUT THIS IN THE LAST SESSION, THAT MINIMUM IS WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT, NOTHING OTHER TRUST WORK, JUST A SHELL TO BE ABLE TO HOLD THESE PROPERTIES SO THAT THEY COULDN'T IDENTIFY THE PERSON. MR. I WOULD SAY THAT THE ISSUE IS GOING TO BE
Speaker 91
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FINDING THAT PERSON WHO'S GOING TO to hold it. So obviously, if I make my living doing this, if somebody wants me to put their
name on it, they usually pay me in order to do that. So if you just put records out there available for the public to use, they would have to have someone who's going to stand in that position and be that person who's listed as the registered
Representative Robin Lundstrum
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agent or as the trustee. Once that grantor trust or the LLC is set up, though, you would continue to park property or you buy your bass boat or your motorcycle and continue to park property in that. So So it would be a consistent method for always purchasing under that name. That's correct.
That's correct. Okay, we have a question from our person sick at home. Russell wanted to know, what about the records for the health
department? If they built or had a septic work done, what name and phone number would that property
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owner use? They would still continue to use whatever they have set up with the LLC or
Representative Robin Lundstrum
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with the trust. So if it's May LLC, May LLC, you'd come to 1327. The address is one
Speaker 91
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of the things you have to watch for, because that's where I've seen people blow their own cover on these.
They try to set them up themselves with an LLC, and then they list their home address as the registered agent's address. Instead of a post office box or their law office. It links back, exactly. So if you want to use a post office box or an attorney's office, so for instance, with all mine, mine are all set up to my law firm. So if somebody were to do a search, it's going to pop up a million 111 center streets. So it's pretty easy to set these things up, but it takes a little bit of education to be sure you continue to do it right from then on.
I see a lot of people blow their own cover, if you will, by just not following certain things like consistently using the right address.
Speaker 93
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Okay, that's a good question. And even the pizza delivery services and the new food delivery services are actually selling their information. that they have to some of these companies
Representative Robin Lundstrum
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as well. Well, that's incumbent upon the officer to take the responsibility there. We're just helping them get the
information, and then they're big boys and girls after that. Yeah,
Speaker 93
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it's important to note that, you know, there would be a lot of maintenance, daily maintenance, just to keep that information protected too.
Speaker 86
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Okay. You're going to have, there's going to be one trust, one name, and everything underneath that one? Is that what I'm understanding? It depends just on how
Speaker 91
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secure you want to be. For, I'd say, the average person who doesn't have a lot of assets, typically just one. My clients that have massive assets, they will set up a separate LLC or a separate trust for every single asset that they own. But they're not concerned about the several hundred dollar startup costs on each one. One agent.
One agent, but multiple entities. Yes, you only
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have one agent per entity. One agent for every entity. Okay, I was going to
Representative Robin Lundstrum
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say, how are we going to be straight on who's this? One agent per entity. okay and i think we had
some people that wanted to make a comment or had raised a hand or blake had caught their attention blake did you all right brenda you've got yours josh okay we're pretty informal here aren't we um i did get a list of the costs and i wanted to make
sure we confirm these and y'all can help me with it for an llc it was 45 online a follow-up franchise fee of 150 a year and then to file the deed was $25 okay and then the average cost for living trust in Arkansas was between 500 and 750 dollars depending on the complications it just wasn't all that expensive but once it was done it was done as long as you followed the rules and kept putting everything in the right pocket you were fine and then you filed the deed for
$25 but having a good attorney that knew what they were doing you're only as
good as your attorney right that's as good a plug as you're going to get there um but those were the costs that seemed to it's pretty straightforward i would
agree those are the costs okay
any other thoughts on that one the other back doorway to access information was on voter vault going through voter information you could find someone's address and i actually talked to
some of the election folks and found out that there is a way to shield that information that we need to make officers aware of you could still vote have your name out there but much like they do with judges your address would be prevented from information so we probably should include that when we have our flyer of what information that we
produce from this committee so that's something. Um, uh, Kent had a question. What about tax IDs? Information on each.
Speaker 73
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So talking about social security number or tax ID, if it's an LLC or, or if they get one for a trust, um, to my knowledge, there's not any, none of those are, are in fact, there may be a statute that says you can't have them in there because we had to redact them on some of them. But at any rate, None of the instruments that we use to either secure transactions or to convey transactions have that information on it, and they haven't for at least 15 years. So it shouldn't be on there. I'm not saying they wouldn't make it through, you know, if somebody put it on there.
Y'all could answer that, but we don't have them on any of the forms that are used in
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the title industry that I'm aware of. Okay. Mr. Shields, Brenda, we're down to first names
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here. That's fine, and thank you. In the recorder's office, we're bound by federal law. If it can't be out, like a Social Security number has to be protected by federal law. So if we're going to put that out anywhere, it has to be redacted so that the
Representative Robin Lundstrum
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general public cannot see it. And I'm sure it's the same in assessors, collectors, everywhere else. Correct.
Speaker 35
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Again, you've got the same issue with anything that's already out there. You may be going back and redacting those things, but a lot of certificates of trust used to have people's socials in them. And so whether those have been redacted or if you've owned it long enough, that information is
Representative Robin Lundstrum
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going to be out there. Can't help the past. there's there's nothing we can do about that let me make sure
that was all right i'm trying to make sure our folks that are out are getting their questions answered any other comments okay um
okay um a couple of things once we've mulled this over i have talked to the fraternal order of the police folks and they would love to post this information on their website once we have
a report from them we've also had a very generous offer from a gentleman in arkansas that would like to pay for all the printing once we have a report that all of the assessors collectors and clerks could put out on their information so i thought
that was wonderful so there would be no cost for officers to access this information but we need to boil it down to a one sheet and then the back side you could have that information. Any other thoughts? There was one question that came up about Uniform Law Commission. Maybe you could answer that, that they may have some information for us that might be useful. Yes, ma'am. I am a member of the Uniform
Cliff Mckinney
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Law Commission. I'm not aware of anything off the top of my head, but I'm happy to talk to the staff attorneys at the Uniform Law Commission
Speaker 91
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and see if there's any information that I can
Speaker 11
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get. That we might be able to? Certainly. I'll be glad to talk to them about that. Okay. Yeah, Madam Chair, talk about getting information out. We're always a great conduit to getting information out for the Sheriff's Association, and then we can work through the Chief of Police Association to get information out, as well as I'm sure with the State
Representative Robin Lundstrum
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Police gets information out as well. We could probably tie into those websites, too, once we have it boiled down to something that they could use. Any other thoughts?
Speaker 91
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Yes. I will raise one thing that I've heard is coming up potentially from the Secretary of State's office, and it may be there's just someone who we can visit with about that. But I've heard some attorneys running into some issues where once they set up an LLC and they list themselves as the incorporator, so they're the public-facing in person, if the client then fails to pay the franchise tax and ends up getting barred, then the attorney who's listed as the incorporator then gets static from the Secretary of State's office about then incorporating additional entities.
So if an attorney were willing to step in for a law enforcement officer and then that law enforcement officer, for whatever reason, did not pay their franchise tax in future years, the attorney can end up not being able to register
Speaker 102
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additional entities with the Secretary of State's office. So that may be something we need to address in this process. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Representative Robin Lundstrum
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well. Okay. All of these questions, as you drive back home, you're going to think of more questions. what I would like to do is have you send them to me so that
we can come up with a whole list of questions
because once we digest everything. And if you can send Blake back documents that you want this group to have, that we need
to, your suggestion of we need to include the sheriff's, those were great suggestions if you could send those to Blake. Any entity that we need to make sure is included, I want to make sure we get that information. The audience, folks, is there anything that you think we need to include?
No? Okay. All right. I want to check with my... Okay, Russell and Kent,
I know you kind of feel like we've left you out a little bit, but if you have anything you want to add. probably we will meet again and then over the next two weeks I'd like to give you a chance to digest everything we've
talked about here and think through what we were where I would like to go next is digest this information figure out in what format we want to do this obviously it's
going to be either an LLC or a trust put it in what type of flyer format and then where it would go after that. I'd like to check on the
Uniform Law Commission. Um, what other records we might need to shield or let them know they have a choice to shield that information? Voting
Speaker 86
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records, that type of thing. Yes, Rebecca. Homestead credits. If they go into an LLC, I don't know that they can get a homestead credit right now on their taxes. That's a question we need to ask. A trust, I believe they can, but the LLC, you know, if it's their home,
they probably wouldn't want to use that one. It might be something to think about.
Speaker 32
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That's the kind of questions we need to ask. And I listed the trust as an example first on purpose because I felt like
Representative Robin Lundstrum
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that probably would be the way that most would lean. Yeah, and we can make that.
I think it is too because it gives them a good foundation to start and have, but we can't make legal recommendations, but we can say,
go ask your attorney. But that kind of question is what we need time to gel on.
Any other? You know you're all going to think of them about 30, 45 minutes while you're driving home, but windshield time is good time. Anything else from this committee for the
good of the cause? I want to thank you all for being here. Email is a wonderful thing, and we will have group phone calls so that we don't spend a lot of windshield time. Thank you again for your time, and I need to gavel out wherever that is.
Agenda
A. Call to Order
B. Introduction of Focus Group Members
C. Act 963 of 2019: Creating the Undercover Law Enforcement Officer Public Records Protection Study and Focus Group [EXHIBIT C]
D. Election of Chair, Vice Chair, and Secretary
1. Discussion by Members
2. Motion to Elect
3. Action by Members
E. Consideration to Adopt Rules of Procedure for Focus Group [EXHIBIT E]
F. Presentation by Billy Roehrenbeck, Owner, Pulaski County Title
G. Other Business
H. Adjournment
Documents
Speakers
Representative Robin Lundstrum
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Representative Dwight Tosh
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Cliff Mckinney
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Rebecca Talbert
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Stu Smith
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Representative Danny Watson
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Billy Rowanbeck
Unverified
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Representative Les Warren
Unverified
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