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Bills discussed (6)
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HR1004
· 4 mentions in transcript, agenda, chapter
Matched: “Yes. Do you vote as well? No. Resolution passes. Moving on, House Resolution 1004.”
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TO RECOGNIZE THE WOODLAWN HIGH SCHOOL BEARS BASEBALL TEAM AS THE 2A STATE CHAMPIONS. | Holcomb | READ AND ADOPTED. |
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HR1001
· 3 mentions in agenda, chapter, transcript
Matched: “…lker Rep. Fred Allen REGULAR AGENDA Number Sponsor Subtitle HR1001 Ladyman TO RECOGNIZE AND CONGRATULATE THE VALLEY VIEW HIGH…”
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TO ADOPT THE RULES OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES OF THE NINETY-FOURTH GENERAL ASSEMBLY. | M. Shepherd | READ AND ADOPTED. |
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HR1002
· 3 mentions in chapter, agenda, transcript
Matched: “HR1002 D. Whitaker TO RECOGNIZE THE FARMINGTON HIGH SCHOOL LADY CA…”
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TO RECOGNIZE THE BRYANT HORNETS FOOTBALL TEAM AS THE CLASS 7A STATE CHAMPIONS. | Hawk | READ AND ADOPTED. |
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HR1005
· 3 mentions in transcript, chapter, agenda
Matched: “House Resolution 1005, Representative Pilkington. Thank you, Chair. As”
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TO RECOGNIZE DAMON AND MARGARET REED FOR THEIR WORK IN RESTORING THE MORROW FARMSTEAD IN … | C. Fite | READ AND ADOPTED. |
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HR1006
· 3 mentions in chapter, transcript, agenda
Matched: “HR1006 B. McKenzie TO OPPOSE THE MISLEADINGLY TITLED "EDUCATIONAL…”
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TO COMMEND MR. BILL RHODES ON HIS EFFORTS ON THE PASSAGE OF THE PROMISE TO … | Richmond | READ AND ADOPTED. |
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HR1003
· 2 mentions in agenda, chapter
Matched: “…DINALS AS THE 2024 CLASS 4A GIRLS SOFTBALL STATE CHAMPIONS. HR1003 Rose TO OPPOSE THE ARKANSAS ABORTION AMENDMENT OF 2024 AND…”
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TO RECOGNIZE AND CELEBRATE ARKANSAS FORESTRY DAY AT THE STATE CAPITOL ON JANUARY 25, 2023. | Beaty Jr. | READ AND ADOPTED. |
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Representative Brit McKenzie
Unverified
0:00
Bear with me today. I am not the regular chair. I will be relying on these folks to my left and right quite a bit through this. We're going to move out of order
Representative Bart Schulz
Unverified
0:10
just a little bit. Representative Hawk has a funeral to get to. So at this time,
Representative RJ Hawk
Unverified
0:25
Representative Hawk, you are recognized. thank you mr chair committee um i bring to you today house memorial resolution 1001
uh it's the honor to to honor the life and contributions of mr curtis owen ferguson um if anybody's ever been through benton or bryant uh and you look left or right driving down the interstate mr ferguson pretty much touched everything that you look at driving down interstate and throughout saline county um he is he's got a legacy family that they you ask anybody in town um he's the reason why bent and brian exists pretty much and so uh he passed away um two days ago and his funeral is today at 1 30 and so um anyways i i just i
wanted to do this resolution for him and his family they're going to have uh 25 people here tomorrow uh to hear this resolution and so that's what it is and i'll save the rest for tomorrow if anybody
that has any questions. Does anyone have questions for Representative Hawke? What's the will of the committee? All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Congratulations. Thank you. All right, now we'll go to
Representative Bart Schulz
Unverified
1:31
the top and recognize Representative Ladyman.
Representative Jack Ladyman
Unverified
1:50
here to present HR 1001. What this resolution is is to recognize the Valley View High School baseball team who won the 5A state championship. They were also the number one overall team in the state, so I wanted to recognize them. They have four players that are going to Division I schools, So I wanted to recognize them with this resolution.
Representative Bart Schulz
Unverified
2:19
Thank you, sir. Anyone have questions for Representative Ladyman? What's the will of the committee?
Representative Mark D. McElroy
Unverified
2:24
Motion to pass. All in favor? Aye.
Representative Brit McKenzie
Unverified
2:31
Any opposed? Congratulations, sir. Thank you, committee. Now we'll move on
Representative David Whitaker
Unverified
2:42
to House Resolution 1002, Representative Whitaker. Good afternoon, Mr. Chair, committee. I'm here very quickly just to present H.R. 1002 to recognize the Farmington Lady Cardinals as the 4A softball champions.
Speaker 16
2:57
I'll take any questions. Any questions for the representative? Will of the
Representative Brit McKenzie
Unverified
3:11
committee? All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Congratulations, sir. Thank you, committee. Thank you, Mr. Chair. now we'll move on to item number three house resolution
Speaker 25
3:30
1003 representative rose thank you mr chair thank you committee ryan rose uh state representative district 48
Representative Ryan A. Rose
Unverified
3:33
uh committee committee members uh thank you for the opportunity to present uh this resolution today this resolution aims to oppose the arkansas abortion amendment of 2024 a little historical context and background as you're well aware for a number of years arkansas has been the number one pro-life state in the country and we have elected an overwhelmingly uh majority of pro-life legislators, pro-life governors. And before 1973, Roe v. Wade decision by the Supreme Court,
Arkansas had enacted laws to protect women and unborn children from abortion. And then from January of 73 through June of 22, Roe v. Wade prevented Arkansas from enforcing these protective laws. And then on June 24th of 22, the U.S. Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade with the Dobbs' decision allowing Arkansas to implement Act 180 of 2019, which prohibits abortion except to save the mother's life in a medical emergency. So currently, I believe with lives genuinely and
literally hanging in the balance, this Arkansas abortion amendment of 2024 seeks to legalize abortion on demand during approximately the first five months of pregnancy in Arkansas. And the amendment's ballot title indicates it would prevent the state of Arkansas from prohibiting, penalizing, delaying, or restricting abortion during this period. It would effectively enshrine abortion, an unregulated abortion, into our state constitution and deprive unborn children of their fundamental rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
As I said already, I believe, and many others do as well, that this amendment would legalize abortion on demand up to five months. It goes against the values of the majority of Arkansans, which they hold dear, and prioritizing the sanctity of life from conception. With regards to public health and safety, this amendment disregards the safety of women. It does not specify who can perform an abortion or where that must be performed.
This opens the door to unregulated abortions, which could be performed by individuals without any form of proper medical qualifications, endangering women's health and safety. Ideologically, the amendment aligns with an extreme pro-abortion ideology that does not reflect the values of our communities. Prevents the legislature from enacting common sense regulations to protect women and unborn children as well. in conclusion with today's resolution I believe that it is crucial in the work that we are doing
to protect the lives of the unborn and support the pro-life values of our state and this resolution opposes the this amendment and I urge you to support this resolution I've spoken to several of you I'll be open to your questions but I believe that this is not in the best interest of the well-being of the women and future children to be born in this state. Thank you for your attention, and I'm open
to questions and would appreciate a motion to pass at the proper time. Any questions from committee?
Representative Brit McKenzie
Unverified
6:53
We do have some folks signed up to speak against this. I want to remind everyone, let's try to stay clear, concise, and on the point.
Representative Mark D. McElroy
Unverified
7:02
First, we have Dr. Eleanor Kennedy to speak against this. Dr.
Representative Bart Schulz
Unverified
7:19
Kennedy, please identify yourself for the record and then you may begin.
Eleanor Kennedy
Unverified
7:23
My name is Dr. Eleanor Kennedy, I'm a retired cardiologist, and I'm sorry, what else did you need to know? I'm Dr. Eleanor Kennedy, and I'm a retired cardiologist. When I was in the practice of cardiology, I was able to follow clinical guidelines for my patients in terms of their needs and in terms of the complicated situations of their medical scenario.
I've never been involved in politics publicly before, ever. But what has happened with this amendment is that I realized that my colleagues in obstetrics cannot follow guidelines, nationally derived research-derived guidelines for the care of their patients, so that if there is a pregnancy where things have gone wrong, and that can and does happen, they cannot follow guidelines indicated treatment for that patient.
Pregnancies that are the result of rape or incest are not accepted with the law as it stands now. With the law as it stands now, if there is a fatal abnormality of the fetus, the mother has no option but to continue to carry that pregnancy unless she has the resources to travel to Kansas or Illinois. I believe that the law as it stands now is legislative overreach.
I believe that painful and personal decisions about pregnancies are best left between a woman her family, and her physician, and the law as it stands now prevents the obstetricians from having the autonomy to provide for their patients the care that is guidelines indicated. So that's my feelings on it. Thank you.
Representative RJ Hawk
Unverified
9:38
Are you open to answering questions if anybody has any for you? Sure. Does anybody have any? Sorry, this is
Eleanor Kennedy
Unverified
9:43
my first time to ever be here, so I don't know what the process usually is. I don't see any questions. Thank you. Next,
Representative Mark D. McElroy
Unverified
9:48
we have Sam Watson to speak against this. Thank you, and thank you for allowing us to comment on this resolution.
Sam Watson
Unverified
10:09
My name is Sam Watson. I'm the content director for For A.R. People, a nonprofit that supports, among other things, opportunities for Arkansans to exercise their right to direct democracy. And we are also a member of the ballot question committee that's sponsoring the Arkansas abortion amendment. The resolution mentions, at least at one point, bipartisan parental consent laws. And I just wanted to point out that those laws were bipartisan because they took into account the dignity and freedoms of pregnant folks.
And as Dr. Kennedy so eloquently explained, current Arkansas law does not do that. What is bipartisan is the ballot initiative process. Canvassers from several amendments, not just ours, have been harassed, doxed, followed, threatened with arrest, and more. And yet, Republicans, independents, Democrats, and folks that have told us they registered to vote just to sign this amendment have indeed signed because they've expressed a desire to see this on the ballot in November. This body, the House as a whole, has repeatedly shown its willingness to limit that initiative process and interfere with the people's voice.
And so 4AR People opposes this resolution for that reason. Ballot initiatives are the purest form of democracy in this state, and so we ask that you let the people's voice be heard. Your legislators elected by democratic processes and opposing ballot initiatives before they've even made the ballot undermines those processes and the process that put you where you sit today. And so regardless of your opinion on the amendment, the people deserve to have a voice at the ballot box this November. So we ask that you not allow this resolution to pass and put the weight of the House behind
this anti-democratic statement. And if you'll allow me another brief moment, we have a statement from Dr. Chad Taylor, who is a member, also a member of our ballot question committee, the Healthcare Alliance for Reproductive Care. He couldn't be here because he's performing his duties as an OBGYN. I'm sorry, but he would have to present that himself. Okay, that's fine. Then I, that's my statement. Happy to answer any questions. I see no questions. Thank you. Thank you very much.
Representative Mark D. McElroy
Unverified
12:20
All right, that's the last person we had signed up to
Speaker 3
12:26
speak against this bill. What's the will of
Representative Ryan A. Rose
Unverified
12:36
the committee? Oh, you want to close for your, sorry. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you, committee. Just briefly, I will say that this resolution in our legislature is not anti-democracy or undermining democracy. I would say that we're participating in democracy and making the voices of the individuals who are elected in this legislature,
those voices heard on this particular issue, making sure that our constituents are properly informed of all perspectives on this abortion amendment. So with that, I'd close and appreciate a good vote. More of the wishes of the committee. All right, we have
Representative Mark D. McElroy
Unverified
13:11
a motion due pass. All in favor? Aye. All opposed? No. The ayes have it. Roll call. All right.
Speaker 56
13:28
I think there were two hands right here. I thought they were. Representative Fred Allen. Representative Sonia Barker. Yes.
Representative Jay Richardson. No. Representative Stephen Walker. Yes. Speaker Matthew Shepard.
Representative Brit McKenzie
Unverified
14:27
Yes. Do you vote as well? No. Resolution passes. Moving on, House Resolution 1004.
Roan Kuda
Unverified
14:33
uh representative hawk had to leave so representative mackalindon graciously
agreed to run this for her you are recognized thank
Representative Mindy McAlindon
Unverified
14:41
you chairman mindy mackalindon house district 10 today i present to you house resolution 1004 it is a resolution to recognize colonel kermit womack and his positive impact on the state of arkansas especially in the northwest region through his Kerm radio happy to answer any questions any questions what's the will of the committee got a
Representative Mark D. McElroy
Unverified
15:06
motion do pass all in favor congratulations thank you committee moving on
Representative Brit McKenzie
Unverified
15:24
House Resolution 1005, Representative Pilkington. Thank you, Chair. As
Representative Aaron Pilkington
Unverified
15:42
always, I bring the most controversial bill of the day. I'm just kidding. It's about soccer. I'm here to pass a resolution to celebrate Clarksville High School
winning the 4A soccer championship this year and with that I ask for a good
Representative Brit McKenzie
Unverified
16:15
vote Thank you, thank you committee Moving on to House Resolution 1006 Representative McKenzie You are recognized, sir.
Representative Fred Allen
Unverified
16:20
Thank you, Mr. Chair. Britt McKenzie, State Representative, District 7. Ladies and gentlemen of the committee, I bring to you a resolution to formally oppose the Education
Rights Amendment of 2024 in terms of a House resolution in the sense of the House and the legislature. In the two hours this bill has been filed, or this resolution has been filed, and walking here today, I received a number of phone calls, and I want to make it clear from the beginning, I have no issue, no grievance, no gripe with any person that avails themselves of their constitutionally respected and codified ability to go collect signatures to appeal, to change our constitution, change our statute through the ballot process. That is a tool in
the toolbox and I do not begrudge anybody for exercising that right. What I do have an issue with is those who exercise it and under the false pretenses or guise of something being a solution and when in reality, it would create more problems. The Education Rights Amendment of 2024 does just that. It creates a significant amount of problems, not only for us from a fiscal standpoint, but for us in terms of the civil rights of existing students in the state of Arkansas, as well as creates a basket weave of issues
that we're going to have to deal with in terms of new programs and entitlements that are not codified by our Constitution. And also, it's worth noting that this body, within the last year, resoundingly passed the LEARNS Act, albeit moments of controversy or potentially differences of opinions of how the program can be executed. We are in a post-LEARNS world. It is the law of the land. It is something that we are hoping to see significant results and successes with the ultimate goal of improving student outcomes for all students in the state of Arkansas.
saw. In terms of this amendment, and I think it's most important to start with the fiscal impact, there is currently no dollar amount highlighted in terms of how much of a significant impact this would be to our state budget. The expansions alone in early childhood, after school and summer programs are something that we couldn't see the end of or the total cost of for years to come and something that we'd be on the hook for, for a very long time.
I, as a member of this body, I do sit on the, I'm the Vice Chair of the Early Childhood Education Subcommittee. We haven't met formally. I don't know how subcommittees meet in the interim, but it's something that I have cared about significantly in my personal life and things that I've tried to bring into this job and caring about those who are three to five in the early childhood sphere. I care deeply about making sure that we have responsible, abundant, and great access to affordable childcare in the state of Arkansas.
We do not have a constitutional responsibility, as it's written in our Constitution, for those children under five. To create a universal childcare program is something that fiscally would be extremely irresponsible for us to just sign a petition, take it to the ballot, and say that is what the program will be in perpetuity. To another point, I do believe that the title is misleading because the work in this amendment will greatly and significantly undo the positive work we've
done in the LEARNS Act. Having access and the ability for children who are trapped in failing schools to get out of those failing schools and into a place that best fits the environment that they need to learn, and the opportunity that weren't previously available to their parents. That would be significantly undone by signing this, by this amendment and the petition gathering process. I won't belabor the point. In closing, I think that this legislature has done the right thing through concerted dialogue and debate
to consider Arkansas's place in the world today. We have been failing children for a very long time. The LEARNS Act tries to address a lot of those significant failings. I think, and again, this is a sense or a resolution of the body. This would be if we passed this resolution through the committee today and onto the floor tomorrow, it would be saying, we still agree that the work we accomplished last year is still significant. It is still the path that we need to take, and it's the work that we need to continue to do. And as a body of the House, we think it would be irresponsible to sign
this petition to undo that work. This is non-codified. It is a House resolution. It's just the sense of the body that it is in front of. So with that, I'd be happy to answer
any questions. Representative Allen, you're recognized. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Would you please help me define the definition of a failing school? Help you
help define it? I mean, we have metrics in place through the Department of Education in terms of at risk right now, or how the LEARNS Act is interpreted as those who are for year
one in F schools and year two D
Representative Brit McKenzie
Unverified
21:30
and F schools? So a failing school would be a D or F school, correct? Yes, within the current timeframe we're in for the
Representative Fred Allen
Unverified
21:37
expansion of LEARNS, correct? One quick follow-up. You mentioned that we have kids in school that are learning, and those kids that are learning should not be in a felon school. Is that correct? I believe that
children should have access to the education environment that best fits them, their learning needs, and their family's
desires, yes. Okay, so my last question is, how do you convert a felon
school into a school where kids are passing if every time kids' grades go up in a felon school, they get out of the felon school, and the felon school remains a felon school. Representative
Representative Brit McKenzie
Unverified
22:20
Allen, that's just a unique question, just kind of a lot of different clauses to work through. Could
Speaker 88
22:24
you restate it, just a different, maybe? I just want to
Representative Fred Allen
Unverified
22:29
make sure I answer your question. I want to be... Okay. If Fred Allen is going to a felon school, Fred Allen grades goes up. When my grades go up, I leave the felon school and go to a school that's not felon. You follow me? Yes, sir. Okay. So if all the kids that are performing above proficiency, if they leave a felon school, the felon school will always be a felon school.
I don't necessarily agree. I mean, I think that's a causation argument, not a correlation argument. But kids can succeed under any circumstances. If you remove somebody from a population, it doesn't mean that population that's left over is inherently not good or bad. Those students still have, you know, the ability to succeed based on the criteria in front of them, their curriculum, the teachers that educate them. But I understand and appreciate the question.
Speaker 91
23:27
Thank you for your attempt to answer the question.
Representative R. Scott Richardson
Unverified
23:32
Representative Richardson, you're recognized. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you, Representative. question is, can you help me understand what's misleading about the statement? Because I just heard you in your testimony, you said it was your opinion that it was misleading. But the statement that I read is educational rights amendment. Educational rights, what about that
Representative Fred Allen
Unverified
23:58
is misleading? Good question. I mean, it's really the title of the ballot question itself. Um, in reality, it doesn't, I mean, the ballot or the, the amendment itself would create
additional rights, but it wouldn't secure the rights of the current students that we have now. We believe that, and I believe as a member of this legislature, we, we did a great job of, um, providing that opportunity and pathway for kids to get the adequate education that, uh, our constitution requires out of schools or environments that may not be best for them and their learning environment or their parents. So I hope that answers it. I'm happy to follow it up if you
Speaker 95
24:30
need me to. I don't know if you answered it,
Representative R. Scott Richardson
Unverified
24:35
and I don't know if I'm actually asking the question what I'm trying to get at.
Speaker 97
24:44
Yeah, I got it. Okay. Representative Barker, you're recognized. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Okay, so you said you referenced the LEARNS Act and the freedom
Representative Sonia Eubanks Barker
Unverified
24:56
that will come to our students in the LEARNS Act because they shouldn't have to stay in failing schools. But the true freedom in the LEARNS Act is that any student, regardless of how their school is performing, should have the right to go to whichever school best fits them. Correct, yes. Because, like, I have a grandson who was in a grade school by all other accounts,
but it was not suited for his special needs. Correct. So what you said was true, but it was not the broad picture of what the LEARNS Act was attempting and is attempting to do, correct? I appreciate
Representative Fred Allen
Unverified
25:26
that. Yes, it does. I mean, one of the anagram of LEARNS, the main emphasis is empowering parents to make the best decisions possible. So correct. It doesn't necessarily mean that all children are in failing schools or failing schools are more endemic than not, but it is an opportunity for parents to closely examine the environment that their children are learning in
and to do whatever it takes, by all means necessary, to get them in that place that's best for them, their beliefs and their faith, or their
Representative Brit McKenzie
Unverified
25:56
background. Any other questions from committee? Okay, we've got several folks signed up to speak against this bill. I just want to remind everybody, let's please stay on point. We're going to start out with Mr. Stephen Grappe. you're recognized sir
Representative Bart Schulz
Unverified
26:14
please turn on your mic and identify yourself for the record
Stephen Grap
Unverified
26:17
thank you mr chairman my name is stephen grap i'm with stand up arkansas and i'm the volunteer field director with the for our kids educational rights amendment campaign i think it's a shame that
Speaker 104
26:33
our general assembly is is wasting our taxpayer money and our time to come across with the starting with something that starts out to oppose the misleading title. Our General Assembly passed in the early 1900s the INR that outlines we as
citizens what we are allowed to do to pass laws, refer laws back to the citizens the General Assembly is called, and to recall different elected officials. The General Assembly went into place and made things harder for us citizens and we voters to get things on the ballot. And our Constitution is very clear that the General Assembly cannot do anything to make this process harder. One of the things that they put into effect was that we had to go to the Attorney
General to get the title approved. And we went through three different iterations to make sure that the title was not misleading. And the Attorney General himself approved this, finally saying that it wasn't misleading to the public. So that's the first thing that is not true to the public. It's propaganda. And we need to make sure everybody knows that this has already been approved by the Attorney General of the state of Arkansas. I also want to look through this, and there's propaganda statements in the whereas when they're trying to sell this to the people,
and you're taking information from news articles that have no basis in facts. There's a place that says that this is going to cost over a billion dollars, and there is no study saying that. This is a guess. But in here, it says it as if it is the truth. It includes no cost projections are paid and will certainly cost at least $1 billion. You're giving false propaganda to the people of Arkansas and hoping they're just going to take this in stride. You go through this
and over and over and over again, we stride to provide tax relief. What does that have to do with this? Because you're talking about we don't have the money to educate our children in this state. We have spent the last year and a half putting this together. We have gone to the people of Arkansas on multiple occasions in polls. We've brought people in from all over the state for case studies. This is what the people of Arkansas want, to the degree of 70 plus percent polling. We've gone to educators to get the wording right. Then we've gone through the
Attorney General to make sure it's not misleading to the public. But yet the General Assembly is going to try to tell the people not to vote for this and use misleading statements all through their resolution to try to get it passed. I call on the people of Arkansas to wake up, to stand up, to see the things that our General Assembly is trying to push down our throat that we're not for. And in the early 1900s, this was happening. And we had a party that came in and created the process of direct democracy in Arkansas. Because we have direct democracy when
we believe that the General Assembly is not doing the will of the people. And if you think that the will of the people want to follow what you're doing, put it to a vote. Let us get this on the ballot and see what the people of Arkansas want. Quit trying to put propaganda down their throat, quit trying to mislead the public, and let's put this to a vote
Speaker 18
29:59
for the people. I'll take questions. Any questions from
Representative Brit McKenzie
Unverified
30:07
committee? Saying no questions, I appreciate it. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Roan Kuda
Unverified
30:13
Next we're going to recognize Roan. Can't read your writing. You're recognized. Please turn on
your mic and tell us who you are.
Speaker 109
30:23
Hello. My name is Roan Kuda. I'm with Stand Up for Arkansas. I'm also a student, um, at Little Rock Central High School. Um, I want to begin by, uh, reminding everybody here what happened a year ago, uh, especially, um, Congressman McKenzie, where are you? Um, I, I, where's your head, really? Um, a year ago, um, a lot of people spoke
against the Learns Act, um, myself included. Me, um, and about seven or eight other students, went to the Senate and spoke against the Senate as they passed the learns bill into effect and sent it to the governor's desk. We wanted them to bring it back to the House for amendment and I noticed earlier when you were sitting in this chair you couldn't even say that the learns bill was perfect. Excuse
Speaker 68
31:16
me sir. Yes. Let's testify on the resolution no personal attacks or anything
Speaker 114
31:23
anything of that nature. Thank you. Well, as State Congressman McKenzie
Speaker 109
31:29
was delivering the resolution here, I noticed that you forgot, or you didn't forget, you could not say that the bill was perfect. And I would like to remind you that people spoke against it when it was being passed. Students spoke against it when it was being passed. Teachers spoke against it when it was being passed. And after it got passed, who spoke against it? The people of Arkansas. We have a ballot initiative going that amends our Constitution that configures the Learns
Act in a way that can benefit the people. And you're here trying to use your political power to suppress the ballot initiative. You're trying to use your vote as a congressman to suppress the initiative. If you do not like the ballot initiative, you should vote against it. You should vote against it in November. Not today. should vote it you should vote against it in November because in Arkansas the people rule that is literally our motto thank you I'll take questions I say no
Speaker 110
32:32
questions thank you next mr. Bill Kopsky you're recognized sir
Representative Bart Schulz
Unverified
32:42
please turn on your mic and identify yourself for the record. Thank
Bill Kopsky
Unverified
32:51
you, sir. Sorry, I don't want to get ink on my hands. So my name is Bill Kopsky. I'm the director of the Arkansas Public Policy Panel and treasurer for the Ballot
Speaker 121
33:01
Question Committee for our kids. The panel was founded in 1963 by
moms of school-age kids working on desegregation of public schools, and we've worked for 61 years on making sure every child in Arkansas has access to high quality education. And that's the work that we still continue to do. We represent thousands of members across the state of Arkansas, our parents, teachers, all walks of life who care passionately about the education of their children and of their
Bill Kopsky
Unverified
33:29
own communities. So that's where we come from. For me, I'm a father of two boys in public schools. I'm a youth soccer coach, so he and the soccer. I've been the
president of two different PTAs. I'm very active in my community, as is my wife. And I've worked on education issues for most of my career and testified here more times than I can count. I'm confused about why you would consider voting for House Resolution 1006. What's not to like about the proposed amendment? It's fairly simple and it's short. It does three essential things to ensure that every Arkansas child has access to a high quality education. Who could be a to that. I have a small two-by-two card that explains the amendment that I'd like to share
with you if you'd give that permission. I'm happy to pass these out at the end. Okay, I'll do it when I'm done testifying. Sorry, we cannot do that. Oh, well, I brought it. If you'd like it, I'd be happy to give you one. And I'd also be happy to collect the signatures of anybody who'd like to sign the petition to put this on the ballot for voters this November. That's what this is all about, right? So the first thing the measure does is ensure access to four of the most effective proven boosts to learning that we know of. We meaning the academic research of quality
education. It provides quality special education. It provides after school and summer programs. It provides support for kids in poverty, and it provides pre-K for all three and four-year-olds. The second thing the measure does is it establishes educational minimum quality standards for future generations in the Arkansas Constitution. These standards are identical to the standards that we have today as dictated by the Arkansas Supreme Court in the Lakeview decision. The third and final thing the measure does is it creates a level playing field
and equal standards for all publicly funded, taxpayer-supported schools. The measure is nonpartisan. It's not an attack on learns. All education issues have tended to be nonpartisan until recent years, which is unfortunate. The measure polls at 76% support with Republicans, 77% support with Independents, and 78% support with Democrats. We are not here to make this a partisan issue. Our campaign, though, has faced multimillion-dollar opposition full of deceptions and mistruths.
I'd be happy to respond to any of those if you wish to talk about them. We've invited our opposition to debate numerous times publicly and civilly, but so far our opposition has refused to debate us. Why is this amendment necessary? Why are we proposing this? In short, because the politicians in Arkansas, not just this generation, but four generations, has failed to give Arkansas students what they need to have the opportunity to learn that they deserve. Let's take special education, for instance.
The state is woefully failing our most vulnerable kids and families. The state's own assessment in 2017 was that you are underfunding special education by hundreds of millions of dollars. Instead of meeting that need, though, the legislature passed tax cuts for the wealthy and the powerful numerous times since then, while saying we have no money to help those kids. Look at the poverty funding to help low-income kids learn. The single biggest predictor of student success, far and away more powerful than anything else, is family income, and Arkansas ranks number one in the country for child poverty.
We are simply not doing nearly enough to help kids in need succeed at school. Look at after-school and summer programs. Research tells us that this is one of the most powerful, proven ways to boost student learning. Arkansas created the framework for a statewide system in 2009 for after-school and summer programs, yet has never invested a single penny, not one, of state dollars into after-school and summer programs. Likewise, pre-K, one of the closest things we have to a magic bullet to
boost student learning, has been flat-funded since 2009. While our lawmakers have not invested in what we know works, they have squandered hundreds of millions on the failed strategy of unaccountable voucher programs. This isn't an opinion. This is the academic body of research. Nearly every single peer-reviewed objective analysis of voucher programs in other states shows that they actually lower student performance. There's not many things you can do that will actually lower student
performance. They do. And again, I'm happy to share that data with you. In some cases, vouchers have had a bigger negative impact on student learning than hurricanes, other natural disasters, or disasters like the COVID-19 pandemic. And again, I can show you those numbers and I'm happy to do so. We simply must hold this program in Arkansas accountable for results and ensure that it is transparent to lawmakers and their families as they make choices. In closing, I ask that if
The Arkansas legislature, I ask if the Arkansas legislature is going to start telling Arkansas voters how to vote on every single issue that comes before them. It seems to be the path that we're on. And so with that, I respectfully would be happy to answer any of your questions. Again, there's a lot of fake information about this measure. We are extremely confident in our facts, and I'm happy to discuss any of it. Representative Barker, you're recognized. Thank
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you, Mr. Chair. I heard you say you're the treasurer. Yes, ma'am. So since it was brought up earlier, would you happen to have any study or numbers on what the amendment ballpark would cost?
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No, ma'am. We have a team of economists that are working on it. We are a grassroots effort. We just haven't had the millions of dollars that our opposition has had. So we are working on an estimate. It will be out before voters vote on it. Right now, we are solely focused on collecting 91,000 signatures by July 5th from 50 counties, and that is 100% of our focus. there will be an estimate. We appreciate it is going to cost some money. I will, though, if I can elaborate a little further, it's also an investment. Investment in early childhood
education has a nine-to-one return. Investment in after-school and summer programs is known to have a four-to-one return. Investments in special education is known to actually save the state money because you're not having to pay for extra costs later as those kids age. So there's money savings there. And then I would also argue that investing in things like early childhood education, special education, helping kids in poverty get an adequate education is far more effective use of state dollars than a $450 million tax cut that's on top of $1.5 billion in tax cuts that
have been passed by this legislature over the past 15 years. It's also a far more effective investment than the projected more than $300 million in costs for the voucher program as it extends, and I'll point out that every single voucher program across the country, everyone has blown the budget estimates out of the water as they've rolled forward, and this program is destined to do the same. That was a long answer, but I appreciate you listening to me. Any
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other questions from the committee? Don't see any. Thank you, sir. Appreciate y'all.
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Next, we have Barry, Mr. Barry Jefferson. You're recognized, sir. Please
Representative Bart Schulz
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turn on your mic and identify yourself with the
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record. Good afternoon, everyone. I'm Barry Jefferson. I am the state president for the Arkansas NAACP here in the state of Arkansas. I have a pleasure serving that position for the last 10 months,
and I'm enjoying it really, really, really a lot. So the reason why I'm here for is, and I also serve as the president for ARKids. The reason why I'm here is to speak against this resolution and for the history of Arkansas in education, starting with the Little Rock Nine, starting with where our beloved former president of the state conference,
Daisy Bates, who led the Little Rock Central High students into their school. And it's just bringing back memories. As I was in Washington and watching her statue being revealed at the state capitol, it breaks my heart that we're here now trying to push citizens of Arkansas to vote against something because you all don't agree with it.
We have a problem in our country right now. Instead of letting voters vote and letting voters make the decision, we try to force it down their throats by giving false information. That is painful. As I travel this state and talk to different people of this state about this initiative, about other things, that's one of the things they have an issue with.
is that politicians and big-bag-money supporters send false information. People have been given door hangers that it's not true about this initiative. People have been threatened to be arrested if they sign it. People have been doing—so many of our opponents have been doing so much to fight against this. As the state president of the Arkansas NAACP, we are not going to stand up and stand for
this. We're going to stand up and fight against this because it's not fair. Everybody have a voice. And I think this resolution is not speaking for the people. This resolution is speaking for the people who are in power that want to continue to have power because we know if this get on the ballot, it will pass. We know that for a fact, and many of our opponents is trying to fight against it because they know if we put this on the ballot, it will pass.
That's why the false information is out there, that's why people are doing these resolutions, because we know it would pass if people have a choice. And the only thing we're asking for you to do is give us a choice. this citizen of Arkansas a choice to have a voice. Give them a choice. If they choose to sign, let them sign. I have Republican signing, I have Democrat signing, I have Independent signing because they truly believe in this
resolution. Even if they don't believe in this resolution, they believe that other people should have an opportunity to vote on this resolution. That's the main point they have they believe that it's their opportunity to speak this is their vote and it matter and if you know the history of the NAACP we always try to stand on democracy because that's important in our Constitution and this is democracy when you get to cast a vote and you have a choice to put something
on the ballot that you can vote against or vote for it. So I'm asking you all to let people have a voice. Don't speak for them. Some of y'all here, y'all constituents want this on the ballot. Respect their voice. Respect it. That's the only thing I ask you. Even though if you don't agree with it, respect them. Have enough respect for them and let them support it. Let them vote for it and vote against this resolution. Thank you.
Representative Bart Schulz
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I'll take any questions. I don't see any questions. Thank you, sir. Next on the list is
JP Tribble. You're recognized. Please turn on your mic and
JP Tribble
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identify yourself for the record. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My name is J.P. Tribble. I am a resident of Arkansas and Little Rock, and I'm also an attorney, but you're speaking in my personal capacity.
In the Constitution of Arkansas, the people of the state have delegated the authority to make decisions to the legislature. In doing so, we the people decided to reserve certain powers to make our own voice heard when we see fit. That is through the amendment and initiative process, as I'm sure you're aware. This House resolution is a blatant overreach in the legislature at a time where it really doesn't need to happen.
collecting signatures to get any issue on the ballot, no matter what the issue is not. You really shouldn't even be signing if you're for or against an issue. It's a question of whether a topic merits public discourse. And it appears as though the people of Arkansas believe that this issue, among others, merits public discourse. What this resolution does is it's a sorry attempt to thwart the people for having public discourse where that is merited.
And this resolution is full of mistruths. First of all, I would like to point out, as others have, that Attorney General Tim Griffin has approved the ballot title. he has already said it's not misleading so I don't understand how the legislature can be at odds with what the attorney general has done it has many many mistruths in it as well such as infringing upon religious liberty
yes religious liberty is a fundamental cornerstone of American and the Arkansas way of life this has nothing to do with religious liberty If the amendment takes effect, there will be no change in any religious liberty of any school to teach religion. It will impose the same standards to receive public funding, yes. Don't we want all schools to perform sufficiently in math and English and science and history and subjects that matter?
because currently private schools don't have standards that they have to follow. The issue about funding in this has already been sufficiently stated. There are no numbers out there. Nobody knows that it would cost a billion dollars. the um issue about also i would like to address specifically the issue about teacher pay
that this puts teacher pay in jeopardy how in the world does this amendment put teacher pay in jeopardy it does not the legislature passed an increase in teacher pay this doesn't overturn that. Their pay can stay just like it is, and it really should be increased, and it really, really should be merit-based, and this doesn't address that. And it also does not rip critical
funding away from Arkansas families and special needs students. It would contribute to that because there is assistance for children under 200% of the poverty level. There's assistance for special needs students. That doesn't rip funding away. It actually gives it to them. It does the opposite of what's claimed in the resolution. um so the the accusation in this resolution that it's violating religious liberty is
blatantly wrong and it's a blatant overreach of the legislature's purpose and authority and i ask each of you to vote against the resolution and to carry on with the business of the state and allow the people to carry on with the business of the people. If we want to have a public discourse, we should have that ability. So I ask each and every one of you to vote against this, and I'm able to answer any questions.
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I see no questions. Thank you. Next, we have Davis
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Hendricks. You're recognized, sir. Please turn on your mic
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and identify yourself for the record. Is it on? Nope. Yeah, it is. Davis Hendricks. I'm with Stand Up Arkansas now. I know a lot of you, and I've been here many, many times over the last 25 years at different sessions and different special sessions.
And then during the summer when the adequacy committee met, I've been to almost all of those meetings. Since 2003, I've followed the progress of the legislature in trying to fund public education in a way that's equitable. I've been a party to just about all of those processes ever since Auden and Paikas gave us the report back in 2003 and settled the Lakeview case. I used to represent a nonprofit, an education nonprofit here, and that's what got me up here lots of times.
I'm sad to say that I'm here today, first time, to testify outside of that responsibility. I'm retired from that position and now working with Stand Up because I believe in the concept of direct democracy. I believe that it's based in the concept of getting honest, truth, facts to the people. I'm really dismayed that in this particular resolution there are numerous things that are not true about the ballot initiative. I've studied it carefully as an educator of 50 years.
It's not perfect, but it fills some gaps that the LEARNS Act doesn't take care of. It also establishes some equity for public schools and private schools, and it gives private school parents at least some measure of confidence that the standards that are being applied to those private schools are equal to the standards being applied to the public schools. Now, some people argue that public school standards ought to be higher. Well, then the state needs to mandate some higher standards for public schools because I've watched that process go on for the last 25 years as well, and we grapple with that all the time.
But the equity aspect of giving everybody a right to know that there's a standard, if it's a school in Arkansas, it all is going to be bound by the same education standards as any other school in Arkansas. And I'm not talking about the funding aspect. I'm talking about equity and standards. From a standpoint of how we go forward from here, I would just ask the committee to consider that the people have a right. They do. And the direct democracy process is something we have to go to if we feel that the rights are not being admitted.
So as an educator, I would ask you to please vote against this resolution. I'm disappointed that in the years that I've watched this legislature maneuver through lots of different leadership from either side, that we find a need to try to subvert the people's right to vote on an issue that we should trust the public. That's
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all. Questions? Representative Richardson, you're recognized for a
Representative R. Scott Richardson
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question. Thank you, Mr. Chair. So my question isn't specifically for you.
It's for the sponsor. I'm hoping he'll address this when he comes back up. So the billion dollars that we have in this resolution, it'll be interesting to see if you can provide some data as to where that number came from or any support that you can give that would
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justify that number in this resolution. I would say one more thing. One of the things that I've watched the legislature struggle to do, and they've looked at it many times, is preschool. And I don't know how much it costs to do preschool in Arkansas, but until we do preschool for all three and four year olds in the state of Arkansas, we're always going to have 20 kids in kindergarten who come from so many different backgrounds that to expect them to reach the same standard at the end of that nine month period of education is ridiculous.
And it puts us in a position of having to either fail kids or tell them that they're adequately prepared for first grade and they're really not. So preschool is essential, y'all. It's across the country. The research is just sound. If we don't bite the bullet eventually and do that, if we don't do any of the other things, especially all the things provided in this amendment are essential best practices in education. I've studied it for 50 years of my life because that's been my passion.
Those are facts. Those are not propaganda. That's not to sell anything to anyone. It is the fact. And if we don't bite the bullet and take care of those things, we're never going to rectify the issue of first graders who half of them are ready, half of them are not, and what do we do? That's all. Thank you, sir.
Representative RJ Hawk
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Is there anyone else in the audience who would like to speak for or against this resolution.
Kamara Seals
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Okay. You're recognized. Please state your name for the record. All right. Good afternoon. My name is Kamara Seals, and I am a part of the 4AR Kids. And this is puzzling. We have a process in Arkansas called direct democracy, and by the mere fact that this body presented a resolution to tell voters to decline to sign, it's puzzling.
This is part of a process that we all have in the state of Arkansas. This is direct democracy. And this legislative body is interfering with that process. Someone has already mentioned that allow the people to decide. Let people sign the petitions.
If we get enough signatures, and I hope we do, it'll be on the ballot in November. People can vote it up or people can vote it down. So I'm puzzled as to why. There's already a BQC created to oppose it. which is fine. That's what you do. You create BQCs to support or to oppose. That's what you do.
But for this body to have a process of a resolution, this is, and it can't be just because a final number hasn't been assigned to this effort. There's got to be more to it. There has to be more.
We're talking about our children, my grandchildren and great-grandchildren. I've lived in Arkansas all of my life. My mother was an educator for 40 years in public schools, and in this process, however you educate kids, whether it's public school, private, home school, whatever, charter school, whatever it is, we want the taxpayer dollar to be accountable.
It's not that hard. You have accountability in your organizations. You have accountability in your churches, places of worship. You have accountability in your home budget. If you have a spouse, there's accountability. That's what we're asking for. That's part of what we're doing is the accountability and transparency. We're concerned about all kids, and it really hurts.
I heard Representative Allen trying to ask questions about the failing schools. You know, we don't want failing schools. You know, we want all schools to have these standards and educate all of our kids, y'all. All of our kids, okay? So, you know, as a mother, well, my children are grown, but as a grandmother of a little boy who is in public school in Little Rock, I'm concerned, and for all the other kids, okay?
So I'm real concerned, but I think my biggest concern is the process that you all, the lengths that you all have gone through to actually put a resolution together from this body to say to the people, this is not, you know, vote against it or decline the sign or whatever. That's just wrong. When you think about it, that's interfering with the process of direct democracy,
and that's something that we have in this state, and we're very proud about it. We're very proud. Let the people decide. You know, it's been mentioned our motto is regnant populace in Latin, which means the people rule. Please let the people rule. That's all we're saying. Let the people decide. To me, this oversteps the bounds of what you all come here to do because it seems very politically motivated.
There's a very bad feel about this. And my understanding, we were in a staff meeting this morning about 10.30, Kwame, 20.30, 10.45, and we got notice that this had been passed, this resolution, and then we found out it's going to be heard today in committee. So, you know, there seems to be a rush to get this through, but I'm telling you, and you all may not even care, but I'm letting you know there's a really, really, really bad
feeling to this. And I want to ask all of you to vote no on this resolution. Let the people decide. I'll answer any questions. I see no questions. Thank you, ma'am. Representative McKenzie, would you like to close for
Representative RJ Hawk
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your resolution? I appreciate everybody. Thank you so much.
Representative Fred Allen
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Representative Richardson, a billion is an extrapolation that we're getting to. Um, and I'll just say in round numbers, uh, so around 350 million per program. So after school, pre K, um, summer school, and that's based on some Pew research data that gets to a take up rate or enrollment rate acceptance of a, of an entitlement program or allowance to, to go into that program. So listen, is that a perfect number? No, uh, your businessman, you understand that you're not going to go into anything without
a better understanding of the fiscal impact, the costs and what that return is. And, you know, I wanted to put it in here because it is a significant number. It's one-sixth of additional one-sixth to our budget. What is disconcerting more than that, or that, you know, and I appreciate you asking the question because it's good to know that, is that we have a ballot question committee that is spent, and again, I want to reiterate, I have no issue with anyone that wants to practice what our Constitution allows. I think I am a massive proponent for political speech.
I don't want to stifle it. I don't want to take it away. I think it's important that those who have created committees, have put boards together that have started to pay canvassers, are giving the information that is needed to the people who are signing that petition. And to date, no one can tell us the fiscal cost. So a billion is probably on the low side. And the fact that we're saying, or there's individuals here want to say, well, it's access to the ballot. You're stopping our access to the ballot. This is a resolution. It's a sense of the House. That's all it is, is saying we agree.
that this information is misleading, and what we think is appropriate is for you to give facts to the folks that you are trying to get to sign your petition and to vote for you in November. The absence of that is pretty significant, the absence of any information about the fiscal impact. And to just kind of put a button on all of this, why this is truly misleading is because we're expanding rights at the cost of choice. We have expanded choice significantly with the Learns Act, And I think it's important that we stay the course, that we do what's right for the students
in the state of Arkansas, and give them the ability to find the education that's best fit for them, their learning environments, and their families. The LEARNS Act also is the largest increase of funding for schools and for education in the history of the state of Arkansas. That's something that should not – I think that everyone believes that that act is something that has done some massive disservice to the education writ large. We have in one year done more to fund the thing that we all agree needs to do better.
And just top line, you know, this is a, it does, and there were some folks who mentioned it, this does create issues of religious liberty in terms of giving that access to students who have decided to put their, or families who have put their children in an education that best befits their educational needs, their standards, and their faith. It reincorporates elements of indoctrination that we have spent this last year also taking out. It creates new entitlement programs, new welfare programs, and it has zero pay-fors in the
petition itself. So with that, I encourage a good vote on this resolution. Again, it is a resolution. It is a sense of the House in terms of where we stand and what we believe. It is non-binding. It is not instructing one voter in the state of Arkansas to do any one thing. It is telling them to please understand that this ballot title and that this ballot measure is misleading. And with that, I close. Thank you,
Representative Mark D. McElroy
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Representative. What are the wishes of the committee? I have a motion due pass.
All in favor? Aye. All opposed? No. The ayes have it.
Representative Brit McKenzie
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Thank you, committee. okay uh next we have representative McElroy
Representative Mark D. McElroy
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you are recognized sir thank you mr. chair I bring to you HMR 1002 a house memorial resolution to honor the life and contributions of Ernest Cunningham Ernest uh former
Speaker of the House, long-time member of the House of Representatives. Any questions? I see no questions. Oh, sorry.
Go ahead. Motion. I have a motion to pass. All in favor? Any opposed? Congratulations, sir. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank
Representative Brit McKenzie
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you, committee. And with that, I see no more business. We are adjourned.
Agenda
HR1001 Ladyman TO RECOGNIZE AND CONGRATULATE THE VALLEY VIEW HIGH SCHOOL BLAZERS BASEBALL TEAM ON ITS CLASS 5A STATE CHAMPIONSHIP. \
HR1002 D. Whitaker TO RECOGNIZE THE FARMINGTON HIGH SCHOOL LADY CARDINALS AS THE 2024 CLASS 4A GIRLS SOFTBALL STATE CHAMPIONS.
HR1003 Rose TO OPPOSE THE ARKANSAS ABORTION AMENDMENT OF 2024 AND ENCOURAGE ALL REGISTERED VOTERS TO VOTE AGAINST THE ARKANSAS ABORTION AMENDMENT OF 2024.
HR1004 Haak TO RECOGNIZE COLONEL WOMACK AND HIS POSITIVE IMPACT ON THE STATE OF ARKANSAS AND ESPECIALLY THE NORTHWEST ARKANSAS REGION THROUGH KURM RADIO IN ROGERS.
HMR1001 Hawk TO HONOR THE LIFE AND CONTRIBUTIONS OF MR. CURTIS OLAN FERGUSON.
HR1005 Pilkington TO RECOGNIZE THE CLARKSVILLE HIGH SCHOOL PANTHERS AS THE 2024 CLASS 4A BOYS SOCCER STATE CHAMPIONS.
HR1006 B. McKenzie TO OPPOSE THE MISLEADINGLY TITLED "EDUCATIONAL RIGHTS AMENDMENT OF 2024" AND ENCOURAGE ALL REGISTERED ARKANSAS VOTERS TO OPPOSE THE "EDUCATIONAL RIGHTS AMENDMENT OF 2024."
HMR1002 M. McElroy TO HONOR THE LIFE AND CONTRIBUTIONS OF G. ERNEST CUNNINGHAM.
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